History Videogame / TalesOfSymphonia

16th Aug '17 7:31:33 AM WaterBlap
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* TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything:
** Kratos joins the party for one fight before you learn his name. If you hover over his name for item selection, Tech confirmation, or Strategy reworking, his name appears as ????.
** The status page for characters includes both first and last names, [[spoiler:except for Regal. Not exceptionally long after he joins the party, Presea finds out that her sister was killed by a man called "Master Bryant". Regal is a self-declared murderer. Guess who he killed?]]
** Sure, you ''can'' get to Palmacosta by taking a boat from Izoold... or, you can walk across a bridge in the other direction, and go through around the second continent in reverse order. You'll still end up visiting all of the major destinations and seeing all of the mandatory scenes, and the story will still make a modicum of sense. There's even some scenes that you can only see this way, and once you've [[LevelGrinding ground levels]] against the enemies on the "far" end of the continent and bought the good weapons, once you get back around to Palmacosta, every fight is a cakewalk (bar ''maybe'' [[ThatOneBoss Sylph]]).
** You can actually recruit Sheena early. And there are scenes that only play if she's present at the time.
** After you make a summon pact with Undine, you can go make pacts with Efreet and Slyph as well. There's no in-story reason to do this, but it will unlock them as spells earlier and save you the trouble of going back for them later in the game when you need all the Summon Spirits. The bosses are even retuned to match your current level, the dialogue scenes for [[spoiler:the broken mana links]] occur in Tethe'alla, and if Gnome and Sylph are both obtained before Efreet and Celsius, the party will acknowledge the Earth summon's words about [[spoiler:having just "ripped out the mana link" after the ensuing earthquake.]]
** There's one sidequest early on in which Genis casts [[spoiler: Icicle to freeze a geyser so Lloyd can retrieve a statue]]. If you trigger the start of this event before he learns the spell in question, he will go "But... I don't know that kind of magic yet" and the party will decide to return to that event once he learns it. If you try to go to the event's location before learning the spell anyway, he'll go "I STILL don't know that spell yet!"
** In one of the Houses of Salvation, there's an NPC who will immediately engage your screen character in a game of word chain if you talk to them. However, if you talk to this NPC as Colette during the brief period of time where [[spoiler:Colette has lost her voice]], the "conversation" will [[HilarityEnsues proceed exactly the way the player expects]]; the NPC will get mad at you and demand that you "[[SeriousBusiness play seriously.]]"
** The Unicorn Horn sub-quest receives some alternative dialogue if viewed after [[spoiler:Colette has lost her voice and]] Sheena reveals her Tethe'allan origins. The pact with Undine, in particular, has a portion of both cutscenes remain unvoiced to compensate for [[spoiler:Colette's missing vocals]].

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* TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything:
** Kratos joins the party for one fight before you learn his name. If you hover over his name for item selection, Tech confirmation, or Strategy reworking, his name appears as ????.
** The status page for characters includes both first and last names, [[spoiler:except for Regal. Not exceptionally long after he joins the party, Presea finds out that her sister was killed by a man called "Master Bryant". Regal is a self-declared murderer. Guess who he killed?]]
** Sure, you ''can'' get to Palmacosta by taking a boat from Izoold... or, you can walk across a bridge in the other direction, and go through around the second continent in reverse order. You'll still end up visiting all of the major destinations and seeing all of the mandatory scenes, and the story will still make a modicum of sense. There's even some scenes that you can only see this way, and once you've [[LevelGrinding ground levels]] against the enemies on the "far" end of the continent and bought the good weapons, once you get back around to Palmacosta, every fight is a cakewalk (bar ''maybe'' [[ThatOneBoss Sylph]]).
** You can actually recruit Sheena early. And there are scenes that only play if she's present at the time.
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DevelopersForesight: After you make a summon pact with Undine, you can go make pacts with Efreet and Slyph as well. There's no in-story reason to do this, but it will unlock them as spells earlier and save you the trouble of going back for them later in the game when you need all the Summon Spirits. The bosses are even retuned to match your current level, the dialogue scenes for [[spoiler:the broken mana links]] occur in Tethe'alla, and if Gnome and Sylph are both obtained before Efreet and Celsius, the party will acknowledge the Earth summon's words about [[spoiler:having just "ripped out the mana link" after the ensuing earthquake.]]
** There's one sidequest early on in which Genis casts [[spoiler: Icicle to freeze a geyser so Lloyd can retrieve a statue]]. If you trigger the start of this event before he learns the spell in question, he will go "But... I don't know that kind of magic yet" and the party will decide to return to that event once he learns it. If you try to go to the event's location before learning the spell anyway, he'll go "I STILL don't know that spell yet!"
** In one of the Houses of Salvation, there's an NPC who will immediately engage your screen character in a game of word chain if you talk to them. However, if you talk to this NPC as Colette during the brief period of time where [[spoiler:Colette has lost her voice]], the "conversation" will [[HilarityEnsues proceed exactly the way the player expects]]; the NPC will get mad at you and demand that you "[[SeriousBusiness play seriously.]]"
** The Unicorn Horn sub-quest receives some alternative dialogue if viewed after [[spoiler:Colette has lost her voice and]] Sheena reveals her Tethe'allan origins. The pact with Undine, in particular, has a portion of both cutscenes remain unvoiced to compensate for [[spoiler:Colette's missing vocals]].
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7th Aug '17 10:17:21 PM theknack101
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* ImpliedLoveInterest: In this game you can make Lloyd to hook up with several girls, but the romance [[NoHuggingNoKissing is never too explicit]].

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* ImpliedLoveInterest: In this The game rather heavily pushes Colette as the "proper" love interest for Lloyd, to the point that [[spoiler:if you can make get Kratos's ending, Colette will be the one to accompany Lloyd on his journey to hook up collect all the exspheres.]] To a slightly lesser degree, Sheena gets a lot of ShipTease with several girls, but Lloyd, more so than Raine or Presea. However, nothing explicit occurs during the romance [[NoHuggingNoKissing is never too explicit]].game.
** The sequel however lets you make it explicit by choosing who Lloyd's soulmate from 1 was with a romantic confession occurring if any of his female companions are chosen.
6th Aug '17 10:03:00 PM theknack101
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* OrphanedEtymology: During the formal dance where everyone is dressed up, Genis tells Loyd that Sheena laughed at his outfit and said he looked like he was dressed up for Easter Sunday. Of course, Easter doesn't exist in the story's world since it's a Christian holiday. However, its partially lampshaded as Loyd asks what Easter Sunday is, and Genis responds that its apparently a holiday in Mizuho.
6th Aug '17 2:55:48 PM theknack101
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* CutsceneIncompetence: At the [[spoiler:Iselia Human Ranch]], at one point Loyd and a companion somehow get knocked down and beat up by generic Desians who they had been cutting swaths through earlier. It seems the only purpose of the scene was for one of the prisoners to stand up to the Desians and hit one from behind, giving Loyd and company enough time to get back on their feet and crush their rather weak opponents like normal.
4th Aug '17 1:30:43 PM theknack101
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** A rather egregious example, when [[spoiler:Colette gives up her humanity at the Tower of Salvation, the lead up makes it sound like she's sacrificing her life, which creates the drama of the scene. Only, moments after she becomes an empty shell, the game helpfully informs you that she has learned a new skill, so obviously she isn't lost forever. She does remain an empty shell for a little while however.]]
25th Jul '17 9:21:46 AM mario0987
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** The Shadow Blobs in the Temple of Darkness have abysmal pathfinding AI. As in ''Series/Pikmin'' are more intelligent abysmal.
19th Jul '17 2:47:22 PM sylviaviridian
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* HopelessBossFight: The game actually seems to throw ''two'' of these at you in a row [[spoiler: with Kratos and Yggdrasill]], but only the second one is hopeless. The first one is simply very, very hard, but not necessary to win (it's a lot easier if you use an All-Divide.)

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* HopelessBossFight: The game actually seems to throw ''two'' of these at you in a row [[spoiler: with Kratos and Yggdrasill]], Yggdrasill]]. Neither one is actually hopeless: the first can be beaten on the first playthrough if you're very good, but only the second one is hopeless. The first one is simply very, very hard, will probably need you to be on a NewGamePlus to beat it, especially since it ends after a set amount of time no matter what. Winning [[HeadsIWinTailsYouLose doesn't alter the plot]], but not necessary to win (it's a lot easier if you use an All-Divide.)[[DevelopersForesight it does slightly change the cutscene after the boss fight]].
18th Jul '17 5:27:10 AM tyrekecorrea
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* ShortRangeGuyLongRangeGuy: The game's battle system allows characters to move freely, but heavy reliance on magic makes it a better idea for Genus and Raine to stay at long range. [[note]] Your resourcefulness and knowledge of the characters (and equippable items) will be put to the test in single coliseum tournaments. [[/note]]

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* ShortRangeGuyLongRangeGuy: The game's battle system allows characters to move freely, but heavy reliance on magic makes it a better idea for Genus Genis and Raine to stay at long range. [[note]] Your resourcefulness and knowledge of the characters (and equippable items) will be put to the test in single coliseum tournaments. [[/note]]
18th Jul '17 5:23:00 AM tyrekecorrea
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* ShortRangeGuyLongRangeGuy: The game's battle system allows characters to move freely, but heavy reliance on magic makes it a better idea for Genus and Raine to stay at long range. [[note]] Your resourcefulness and knowledge of the characters (and equippable items) will be put to the test in single coliseum tournaments. [[/note]]
18th Jun '17 11:22:21 AM bowserbros
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** Raine's mother [[spoiler:going insane to the point of viewing a doll as her own daughter]] is an idea lifted straight out of ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion''.
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