History VideoGame / TotalWarShogun2

23rd May '17 9:32:50 PM Ramidel
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** In ''Rise of the Samurai'', the Kiso Minamoto move their armies faster than anyone else and recruit samurai at double speed. However, their civil technological development takes a major hit. In a scenario where gold is stronger than steel, this is a bad quality to have; their swiftly-recruited elite troops will quickly become too expensive to maintain with their backwards economy, and their domain will be vulnerable to enemy agents.

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** In ''Rise of the Samurai'', the Kiso Minamoto move their armies faster than anyone else and recruit samurai at double speed. However, their civil technological development takes a major hit. In a scenario game where gold is stronger than steel, this is a bad quality to have; their swiftly-recruited elite troops will quickly become too expensive to maintain with their backwards economy, and their domain will be vulnerable to enemy agents.
23rd May '17 9:32:13 PM Ramidel
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** In ''Rise of the Samurai'', the Kiso Minamoto move their armies faster than anyone else and recruit samurai at double speed. However, their civil technological development takes a major hit. A bad quality in a scenario where the gold of a strong economy is often far more powerful than the steel of an army that was recruited in a very short time, especially if said army is expensive to maintain

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** In ''Rise of the Samurai'', the Kiso Minamoto move their armies faster than anyone else and recruit samurai at double speed. However, their civil technological development takes a major hit. A bad quality in In a scenario where the gold of a strong economy is often far more powerful stronger than the steel of an army that was recruited in a very short time, especially if said army steel, this is a bad quality to have; their swiftly-recruited elite troops will quickly become too expensive to maintainmaintain with their backwards economy, and their domain will be vulnerable to enemy agents.
17th May '17 6:09:34 PM Grudgeal
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** The Takeda clan specialises in cavalry in a game where the most basic and cheapest unit in the game is a spearman with a whopping +25 attack bonus vs cavalry. Cavalry are flashy, impressive, elite units and the Takeda ones are even moreso, but will spend most of the battles in campaign running from the opposing side's spearmen.
17th May '17 2:11:46 PM brianify
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* AnachronismStew: If you have both ''Shogun 2'' and ''Fall of the Samurai'', it is possible to take an army of sixteenth century samurai and ashigaru, and fight a 1860s army of riflemen, cannons, revolver/carbine-armed cavalry and [[GatlingGood Gatling guns]] during online multiplayer matches. There are achievements for winning a match using an army from either end of the TimeyWimeyBall against an opponent roughly two centuries ahead or behind you technologically.

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If you have both ''Shogun 2'' and ''Fall of the Samurai'', it is possible to take an army of sixteenth century samurai and ashigaru, and fight a 1860s army of riflemen, cannons, revolver/carbine-armed cavalry and [[GatlingGood Gatling guns]] during online multiplayer matches. There are achievements for winning a match using an army from either end of the TimeyWimeyBall against an opponent roughly two centuries ahead or behind you technologically.technologically.
** ''Fall of the Samurai'' features the Boshin War, which took place in a chaotic era for weapons technology. Both the Imperial and Shogunate armies snapped up whatever guns were available and for sale, meaning that each side's personal weaponry varied wildly. A soldier (if he even had a gun) might have carried anything between an 18th-century muzzle-loader to the most modern rapid-fire breech loader. In-game, the "rifle regiment" unit splits the difference, combining breech-loader reload speed with muzzle-loader range, making them lethal but only at relatively close range.
5th May '17 6:50:12 PM PlasmaTalon
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* WhamShot: The Fall of The Samurai trailer. Where an elegant voice over and montage about the samurai cut short when a gatling gun starts mowing them down.
30th Apr '17 10:10:21 AM nombretomado
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* {{Expy}}: Foreign Veterans from ''Fall of the Samurai'' are TomCruise from ''Film/TheLastSamurai'' with the serial numbers filed off.

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* {{Expy}}: Foreign Veterans from ''Fall of the Samurai'' are TomCruise Creator/TomCruise from ''Film/TheLastSamurai'' with the serial numbers filed off.
30th Mar '17 12:22:51 AM Ohio9
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* RevolversAreJustBetter: Revolver cavalry can absolutely decimate enemies with a massive barrage of rapid fire. The downside is that the short range means to have to get dangerously close to use them.
27th Feb '17 2:07:52 PM thekeyofe
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* ThievesGuild: ''Shogun 2'' has this as possible building, requiring only an empty building slot in a province and the right research down the TechTree. It functions on the face of it as a vice industry, but also engages in smuggling and other illicit trade, giving an economic boost to the province. It doubles as the source of {{ninja}} to serve as saboteurs and assassins.

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* ThievesGuild: ''Shogun 2'' has this as possible building, requiring only an empty building slot in a province the [[DenOfIniquity Sake Den]] and the right research down the TechTree. It functions on the face of it as a vice industry, but its upgrades, which let you recruit both Ninja agents and Kisho Ninja units. The buildings also engages in smuggling improve happiness and other illicit trade, giving an economic boost to economy in the province. It doubles as In addition to the source of {{ninja}} standard building chain, there is a specialty building chain in some provinces which can be upgraded to serve as saboteurs and assassins.a Smuggling Network or a Ninja Fortress.
27th Feb '17 10:26:28 AM thekeyofe
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** In real life, most of the Samurai were actually JackOfAllStats who were proficient with the Yari, the Yumi, and the Katana. What's even more contrasting is that the Yari was the first and foremost weapon of the Samurai when going into battle whereas the Katana was the secondary backup. Even the legendary Miyamoto Musashi strongly advises against CripplingOverspecialization through the exclusive usage of just one weapon. However, Bow Samurai in the game are able to survive and even fend off melee attacks from Ashigaru.

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** In the game, your Samurai units will specialize in only one weapon while real life, most of the life Samurai were actually JackOfAllStats who were proficient with in the Yari, spear (yari or naginata), the Yumi, bow (yumi), and the Katana. What's even more contrasting is that the Yari sword (katana or tachi). The sword was the first and foremost usually a back-up weapon of for when your bow or spear was broken or discarded, rather than being a main battlefield weapon the way it is for Katana Samurai when going into battle whereas the and Katana was Cavalry in the secondary backup. game. Even the legendary Miyamoto Musashi UsefulNotes/MiyamotoMusashi strongly advises against CripplingOverspecialization through the exclusive usage of just one weapon. However, Bow Samurai in the game are able to survive and even fend off melee attacks from Ashigaru.weapon.
27th Feb '17 9:55:54 AM thekeyofe
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** Naginata Samurai are intended to be this, being better infantry-fighters than yari troops but not quite as good as katana samurai, and better cavalry-busters than katana samurai but not quite equal to yari samurai. Note however that they could be considered exceptional in terms of their armor stat.

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** Naginata Samurai are intended to be this, being better infantry-fighters than yari troops but this. They are not quite as good strong against cavalry as katana samurai, Yari Samurai, and better cavalry-busters than katana samurai but are not quite equal to yari samurai. Note however that as strong against infantry as Katana Samurai, but they could be considered exceptional in terms of their can reasonably handle both infantry and cavalry. Their heavy armor stat.also makes them more resistant to arrows.



** The Otomo Clan are surrounded by enemies and normally die a painful death before they can properly bring that bonus into play; easy imported matchlocks help, but they're often not enough to stave off the opening wave of enemies. If they survive long enough to climb the tech tree, however, they can conquer Japan with a wave of cheap and powerful matchlock armies and skill at spreading Christianity.

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** The Otomo Clan are surrounded by enemies and normally die a painful death before they can properly bring that bonus their clan bonuses into play; easy imported matchlocks help, play. Being able to quickly recruit Imported Matchlocks helps, but they're that's often not enough to stave off the opening wave of enemies. If they survive long enough to climb the tech tree, however, they can conquer Japan with a wave of cheap and powerful matchlock armies and skill at spreading the spread of Christianity.



* TheMusketeer:

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* TheMusketeer: All ranged units are capable of fighting in melee but most are rather poor at it. This is the one thing that makes [[AnachronismStew the traditional vs. modern]] multiplayer battles reasonably balanced. However, some matchlock/rifle units are better in melee than others.



** Same with the Shinsengumi Police in ''Fall of Samurai'', a special unit of "Battlefield Police" who are armed with both Katanas and modern rifles.

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** Same with Imperial/Shogunate/Republic infantry, their elite Guard variants, and the foreign marines in ''Fall of the Samurai'' are all rather capable in melee, and actually have some very good charge bonuses, to the point where they can outclass certain melee units like Yari and Katana Kachi later in the game.
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Shinsengumi Police in ''Fall of Samurai'', Samurai'' are a special unit of "Battlefield Police" who are armed with both Katanas and modern rifles.



* TheMusketeer: All ranged units are capable of fighting in melee, but are mostly rather poor at it, the one thing that makes [[AnachronismStew the traditional vs. modern]] multiplayer battles reasonably balanced. However, Imperial/Shogunate/Republic infantry, their elite Guard variants and the foreign marines in ''Fall of the Samurai'' are all rather capable in melee, and actually have some very good charge bonuses, to the point where they can outclass certain melee units like yari and katana kachi later in the game.
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