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3rd Feb '17 9:33:05 AM Gosicrystal
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%% What reason? * Princess Lymsleia, with good reason.

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%% What reason? * ** Princess Lymsleia, with good reason.Lymsleia.
3rd Feb '17 9:32:24 AM Gosicrystal
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* GameplayAndStorySegregation:
** The Prince acquires the spell "First Light" as part of a side quest to heal Lyon. That spell can be used in battle.

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* GameplayAndStorySegregation:
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GameplayAndStorySegregation: The Prince acquires the spell "First Light" as part of a side quest to heal Lyon. That spell can be used in battle.



* GuideDangIt: The 108 Stars of Destiny can be very annoying to recruit, not to mention their tendency to be LostForever:
** Oboro can be a big offender here, along with [[spoiler: Sagiri and Nakula]], among others.
** Other big examples would be Cornelio, who has a VERY brief window of opportunity to be recruited (with no build-up to him at all, and no indication of when you're able to get him), and practically everyone in Lunas, as even getting back in requires one obscure support character that few people would ever use otherwise (who in fact might be considered a GuideDangIt himself).
** And Josephine, who you can either recruit very early in the game or really, really late [[spoiler: (by talking to her with either Sialeeds or Shula Valya in your party.)]]
** Not to mention Egbert. You have to endure an extremely long speech from him at the lowest text scroll speed. [[spoiler:If you press X even once during the speech (the button that would usually let you skip the text) then he will refuse to join until you leave the cave and try again. This is not even hinted at.]]

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* GuideDangIt: The 108 Stars of Destiny can be very annoying to recruit, not to mention their tendency to be LostForever:
[[PermanentlyMissableContent unobtainable past a certain point]]:
** Oboro can be a big offender here, Oboro, along with [[spoiler: Sagiri [[spoiler:Sagiri and Nakula]], among others.
** Other big examples would be Cornelio, who has a VERY brief window of opportunity to be recruited (with no build-up to him at all, and no indication of when you're able to get him), and practically everyone in Lunas, as even getting back in requires one obscure support character that few people would ever use otherwise (who in fact might be considered a GuideDangIt himself).
** And Josephine, who you can either recruit very early in the game or really, really late [[spoiler: (by [[spoiler:(by talking to her with either Sialeeds or Shula Valya in your party.)]]
party)]].
** Not to mention Egbert. You have to endure an extremely long speech from him at the lowest text scroll speed. [[spoiler:If you press X even once during the speech (the button that would usually let you skip the text) then he will refuse to join until you leave the cave and try again. This is not even hinted at.]]



* RandomEncounter: Not quite high as in VideoGame/SuikodenIV, but still... Even in the very first dungeon, you won't leave it without at least ten random encounters while getting two mediocre treasures.

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* RandomEncounter: Not quite high as in VideoGame/SuikodenIV, ''VideoGame/SuikodenIV'', but still... Even in the very first dungeon, you won't leave it without at least ten random encounters while getting two mediocre treasures.



* RebelliousPrincess: Princess Lymsleia, with good reason.
** There's also [[spoiler:Yuma Valya, a SpoiledBrat version who fled to Falena because she saw New Armes as "uncultured" and she was tired of living in her brother Shula's shadow She goes by the assumed name Josephine...]]

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* RebelliousPrincess: Princess Lymsleia, with good reason.
** There's also
[[spoiler:Yuma Valya, a SpoiledBrat version who fled to Falena because she saw New Armes as "uncultured" and she was tired of living in her brother Shula's shadow She goes by the assumed name Josephine...]]]]
%% What reason? * Princess Lymsleia, with good reason.



* RevengeBeforeReason: Nakula, arguably.

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* %%* RevengeBeforeReason: Nakula, arguably.Nakula.
17th Jan '17 6:59:31 PM DustSnitch
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* [[AbandonedByTheCavalry Abandoned By The Dragon Cavalry]]: [[spoiler: The Dragon Cavalry refuse to help the Prince because the Godwins are holding their eggs hostage. You can save the eggs, or you can hold out until Craig decides to [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome damn the torpedoes and help anyway.]]]]

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* [[AbandonedByTheCavalry Abandoned By The Dragon Cavalry]]: AbandonedByTheCavalry: [[spoiler: The Dragon Cavalry refuse to help the Prince because the Godwins are holding their eggs hostage. You can save the eggs, or you can hold out until Craig decides to [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome damn the torpedoes and help anyway.]]]]



* {{Badass}}: The beavers look ridiculous, cute and cuddly, which is probably the reason why the bad guys completely underestimate their importance in the river-covered Falena. Not only do the beavers have such good dam-building ability that they can transform the land through river-rerouting but they make terrifying naval shocktroopers, since they can swim out to enemy ships and bite holes in their hulls.
** They're also quite good in normal battles. They're faster than hell, multi-hit a LOT, 3 out of 5 of them are great magicians, all but one have the HP-restoring Bath skill, and the 5 of them have a powerful CombinationAttack that either instantly kills the target or just deals a crapload of damage.
** To put their naval capabilities in perspective, the battle system has a [[TacticalRockPaperScissors rock-paper-scissors]] type of unit balancing, so one type of boat is stronger than one other type but weaker to the other. Beaver units are [[GameBreaker strong against all types]]. In fact, just keep a healing unit handy and you can pretty much solo any water-terrain encounters with them. As the official guide book puts it, they turn the TacticalRockPaperScissors into "Beaver smashes rock, beaver shreds paper, beaver breaks scissors."



*** [[spoiler: Worth noting that his machinations during the Sacred Games were indirectly responsible for allowing the Prince to escape during the Coup. It also sows the seeds to make him a BadAss.]]

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*** [[spoiler: Worth noting that his machinations during the Sacred Games were indirectly responsible for allowing the Prince to escape during the Coup. It also sows the seeds to make him a BadAss.badass.]]
9th Jan '17 3:22:06 PM MoonlightBomber
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* BattleThemeMusic: When facing RandomEncounters, having certain characters in your active party would change the battle music. Having the conductor would change it to a stirring orchestral piece, having the rock star would invoke an ''Ys''-style heavy metal remix, and having the flutist would change it to a flute-heavy arrangement.
23rd Oct '16 5:35:28 AM MoonlightBomber
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* DesignStudentsOrgasm: In-universe: Haud Village was formed by artists commissioned by Salum Barows to design a town of their own. The result: a place chock full of abstract/surrealist artworks, music inspired by the likes of Arnold Schoenberg and Music/JohnCage, and citizens that talk like [[Franchise/StarWars Yoda]].



** Childerich is not at all suppposed to remind us of [[SuikodenII Luca Blight]], or more specifically, his sword arm-happiness. Though he lacks Luca's imposing build and [[RasputinianDeath isn't nearly as hard to kill]].
** Shoon looks a little like a [[SaintSeiya Seiya]].

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** Childerich is not at all suppposed supposed to remind us of [[SuikodenII [[VideoGame/SuikodenII Luca Blight]], or more specifically, his sword arm-happiness. Though he lacks Luca's imposing build and [[RasputinianDeath isn't nearly as hard to kill]].
** Shoon looks a little like a [[SaintSeiya [[Manga/SaintSeiya Seiya]].



* MythologyGag: The alternate outfits worn by the Prince, Lyon, and Kyle during certain sections of the plot are meant to invoke the outfits worn by [=McDohl=], Cleo, and Viktor in [[SuikodenI the original game]]. You also get to go to an [[SuikodenIV Island Nations]] city and fight a battle there with a remix of SuikodenIV's battle soundtrack. Not to mention the recurring characters.

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* MythologyGag: The alternate outfits worn by the Prince, Lyon, and Kyle during certain sections of the plot are meant to invoke the outfits worn by [=McDohl=], Cleo, and Viktor in [[SuikodenI the original game]]. You also get to go to an [[SuikodenIV [[VideoGame/SuikodenIV Island Nations]] city and fight a battle there with a remix of SuikodenIV's ''VideoGame/SuikodenIV'''s battle soundtrack. Not to mention the recurring characters.



* PrecisionGuidedBoomerang: Sialeeds and Sharmitsa's weapons come back despite the fact that their weapons are not boomerangs.

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* PrecisionGuidedBoomerang: Sialeeds and Sharmitsa's Sharmista's weapons come back despite the fact that their weapons are not boomerangs.



* RandomEncounter: Not quite high as in SuikodenIV, but still... Even in the very first dungeon, you won't leave it without at least ten random encounters while getting two mediocre treasures.

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* RandomEncounter: Not quite high as in SuikodenIV, VideoGame/SuikodenIV, but still... Even in the very first dungeon, you won't leave it without at least ten random encounters while getting two mediocre treasures.
18th Oct '16 2:46:03 AM MoonlightBomber
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* IncestSubtext: Miakis tells Lym that if the Prince wins, she'll have to marry him. Miakis has a really wild sense of humor. Then Lym attacks the Prince for winning his ''ceremonial'' match, out of fear that they'll have to marry. Third, in the best ending, the prince [[spoiler: becomes Commander of the Queen's Knights, a position normally reserved for the Queen's husband. [[note]] All the remaining knights were already working for him anyway, and as the rebel army's general, there was no better candidate at the time. [[/note]]


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* IncestSubtext: Miakis tells Lym that if the Prince wins, she'll have to marry him. Miakis has a really wild sense of humor. Then Lym attacks the Prince for winning his ''ceremonial'' match, out of fear that they'll have to marry. Third, in the best ending, the prince [[spoiler: becomes Commander of the Queen's Knights, a position normally reserved for the Queen's husband.]] [[note]] All the remaining knights were already working for him anyway, and as the rebel army's general, there was no better candidate at the time. This sends a message that the corrupt political system in Falena is changing. [[/note]]
8th Sep '16 11:13:45 PM NoxCaelis
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* {{Expy}}: Lucretica Merces is basically a hot female [[DarkSkinnedBlond Karayan]] version of Zhuge Liang.
** Childerich is not at all suppposed to remind us of [[SuikodenII Luca Blight.]] Though he lacks Luca's imposing build and [[RasputinianDeath isn't nearly as hard to kill]].

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* {{Expy}}: {{Expy}}:
**
Lucretica Merces is basically a hot female [[DarkSkinnedBlond Karayan]] version of Zhuge Liang.
** Childerich is not at all suppposed to remind us of [[SuikodenII Luca Blight.]] Blight]], or more specifically, his sword arm-happiness. Though he lacks Luca's imposing build and [[RasputinianDeath isn't nearly as hard to kill]].



---> What a pain...



* ShoutOut: [[Creator/HPLovecraft Alhazred]], and his weapons are all named for the different "translations" of the [[TomeOfEldritchLore Necronomicon]].

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* ShoutOut: ShoutOut:
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[[Creator/HPLovecraft Alhazred]], and his weapons are all named for the different "translations" of the [[TomeOfEldritchLore Necronomicon]].Necronomicon]].
** [[PhantomThief Raven]]'s weapon are Rook, [[Creator/EdgarAllanPoe Carrion Crow, and Nevermore]]
** Oboro mentioned that Nakula has a [[Myth/HinduMythology twin brother]] in Armes. Like his name sake, the twin brothers of Pandava.



* WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity: The Sun Rune is one of the strongest of the 27 True Runes, and can cause moments of extreme megalomania in its bearer, as they believe themselves to be a god. Even the kind and loving Arshtat fell victim to this, destroying Lordlake [[spoiler:and almost doing the same to the entire country of Falena]] because of the rune's influence. This is in fact what happened to empire that existed where Falena does long before the game takes place. The ruler who wielded the Sun Rune went mad and annihilated his entire nation overnight. Supposedly having possession of the Dawn and Twilight runes as well prevents this from happening to the wielder of the Sun Rune.

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* WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity: WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity:
**
The Sun Rune is one of the strongest of the 27 True Runes, and can cause moments of extreme megalomania in its bearer, as they believe themselves to be a god. Even the kind and loving Arshtat fell victim to this, destroying Lordlake [[spoiler:and almost doing the same to the entire country of Falena]] because of the rune's influence. This is in fact what happened to empire that existed where Falena does long before the game takes place. The ruler who wielded the Sun Rune went mad and annihilated his entire nation overnight. Supposedly having possession of the Dawn and Twilight runes as well prevents this from happening to the wielder of the Sun Rune.Rune.
** Downplayed by the Raging Nostrum user. Crazed Assassin are assassins that have partaken a special drug that gives the user inhumane strength, but kills them the moment it wears off. It also makes the user lose his mind, like [[spoiler: Childerich]] that's reduced to a mindless monster unable to say anything but "I'll kill you! Kill! Kill...".
5th Sep '16 5:19:47 AM NoxCaelis
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* GameplayAndStorySegregation: The potentially profound tactical advantage of having Viki, a character capable of teleporting people instantly to anywhere in the country, is never explored.
** On the other hand, Sialeeds, a Wind Rune user, does make use of her power to make a boat fly over the water faster. Usually only when she's not in your party, though!
** For Viki, she has stated that she can only teleport you to a location you have been to before, and only if there are no hostiles in the area (the latter seemingly a gameplay-based restriction, though). Teleporting large numbers of people en masse might also take a while (though based on ''SuikodenIV'', MassTeleportation is well within her power). Also, remember her sneezing habit? That would be an irregularity that would make mass teleportation techniques potentially quite dangerous, which is probably the main reason the heroes don't try it.

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* GameplayAndStorySegregation: The potentially profound tactical advantage of having Viki, a character capable of teleporting people instantly to anywhere in GameplayAndStoryIntegration: Some default runes are explicitly used by the country, is never explored.
holder in several cutscenes, namely:
** On Kyle used Breath of Ice, a Water Rune spell, as a smokescreen to escape the other hand, Sialeeds, a [[spoiler: Nether Gate from the Sun Palace]].
** Sialeeds used her
Wind Rune user, does make use of her power to make a boat fly over the water faster. Usually only in similar ways when she's not in your party, though!
** For Viki,
she has stated that she can only teleport you to a location you have been to before, and only if there are no hostiles in [[spoiler: prevents Lyms from being kidnapped by the area (the latter seemingly a gameplay-based restriction, though). Teleporting large numbers of people en masse might also take a while (though based on ''SuikodenIV'', MassTeleportation is well within her power). Also, remember her sneezing habit? That would be an irregularity that would make mass teleportation techniques potentially quite dangerous, which is probably the main reason the heroes don't try it.Prince]].
* GameplayAndStorySegregation:



* GuideDangIt: Oboro can be a big offender here, along with [[spoiler: Sagiri and Nakula]], among others.

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* GuideDangIt: The 108 Stars of Destiny can be very annoying to recruit, not to mention their tendency to be LostForever:
**
Oboro can be a big offender here, along with [[spoiler: Sagiri and Nakula]], among others.



* TeamMom: Fuyo to the Oboro Detectives. Oboro serves as a TeamDad. Together they're a kind of defacto husband and wife.

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* TeamMom: Fuyo to the Oboro Detectives. Oboro serves as a TeamDad. Together they're a kind of defacto ''de facto'' husband and wife.



** [[spoiler: That was Sialeeds' plan. Gizel and Marscal just realized it around the time Sialeeds died. Gizel seems to have been okay with either result; it's explicitly stated that he likes to start conflicts just to see who'll win.]]

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** [[spoiler: That was Sialeeds' plan.In contrast, we have Sialeeds. She planned to dissolve the bickering Senate and eliminating the two factions in it, probably because of her great hate of what happened with her mom and aunt on the last civil war. And she succeeded. Gizel and Marscal just realized it around the time Sialeeds died. Gizel seems to have been okay with either result; it's explicitly stated that he likes to start conflicts just to see who'll win.]]
16th Jul '16 4:00:20 PM DivineDeath
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* DeliberateValuesDissonance:
** Lymsleia is only ten years old, but because she's the queen's only daughter, the right of succession naturally falls to her once Arshtat dies.
** Because Falena can only be ruled by a queen, princes are considered functionally useless and aren't held in particularly high regard.
** The queen's husband is decided by whoever wins the Sacred Games. And it's considered perfectly acceptable for adult men to fight for the hand of a future queen who's still a child.
** The Dragon Cavalry is very patriarchal, especially compared to the rest of Falena (or even the Suikoden world in general). Not only are women not allowed to be Dragon Riders, they're not even permitted to set foot into their training camp in Gordius.



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29th Dec '15 10:02:58 PM ChaoticNovelist
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** There's also [[spoiler:Yuma Valya, a SpoiledBrat version who fled to Falena because she saw New Armes as "uncultured". She goes by the assumed name Josephine...]]
*** [[spoiler: It wasn't exactly New Armes being "uncultured" that did it. She was tired of living in her brother Shula's shadow.]]

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** There's also [[spoiler:Yuma Valya, a SpoiledBrat version who fled to Falena because she saw New Armes as "uncultured". She goes by the assumed name Josephine...]]
*** [[spoiler: It wasn't exactly New Armes being
"uncultured" that did it. She and she was tired of living in her brother Shula's shadow.shadow She goes by the assumed name Josephine...]]



* RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething: The prince of the land is your main character, so yeah. This is of particular note as, being a male royal in a country where only females inherit the throne, nobody actually expected him to do anything at all.
** Actually played for contrast with him and his father Ferid. The previous commanders, usually noble-born who simply hired someone to earn their position for them, were very rarely if ever trained as field commanders, much less fighters, usually delegating the job to someone else. Ferid, and later the prince, gain a lot of popularity precisely for being RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething.

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* RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething: The prince of the land Prince is your main character, so yeah. This is of particular note as, being a male royal in a country where only females inherit the throne, so nobody actually expected him to do anything at all.
** Actually
all. Then he goes and becomes the leader of the rebel army. This is played for contrast with him and his father Ferid. The previous commanders, usually noble-born who simply hired someone to earn their position for them, were very rarely if ever trained as field commanders, much less fighters, usually delegating the job to someone else. Ferid, and later the prince, gain a lot of popularity precisely for being RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething.



* ShipTease: Early in the game, there's a lot of {{Subtext}} between [[BrotherSisterIncest the prince and Lymsleia]], including [[SleepCute sleeping in the same bed at one point]].

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* ShipTease: ShipTease:
**
Early in the game, there's a lot of {{Subtext}} between [[BrotherSisterIncest the prince and Lymsleia]], including [[SleepCute sleeping in the same bed at one point]].



** There's also Roog and Miakis, though that may be one-sided.
* ShootTheDog: [[spoiler: Georg to Arshtat. There's a good reason for it.]]

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** There's also Roog and Miakis, though that may be one-sided.
AmazonChaser style.
* ShootTheDog: [[spoiler: Georg killed Arshtat because she had finally gone over the edge and was about to Arshtat. There's a good reason for it.nuke the entire country.]]



* SiblingYinYang: The prince and Princess Lymsleia; Euram and Luserina Barows; Faylon and Faylen.
* [[SmallGirlBigGun Small Girl Big Weapon]]: Faylen and her boomerang; Lu and her ''quadruple crossbow''...

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* %%* SiblingYinYang: The prince and Princess Lymsleia; Euram and Luserina Barows; Faylon and Faylen.
* [[SmallGirlBigGun Small Girl Big Weapon]]: SmallGirlBigGun: Faylen and her boomerang; Lu and her ''quadruple crossbow''...



* StealthHiBye: Dolph does this all the time.

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* StealthHiBye: Dolph does this Dolph, being a ninja, appears from nowhere all the time.



* {{UST}}: Between Lelei and Lucretia, and Lyon and the Prince.
** [[SchoolgirlLesbians Lelei and Lucretia]] [[HideYourLesbians may be resolved, however.]] [[AmbiguouslyGay Oboro's comments are suggestive but not conclusive. As in,]] [[MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha Nanoha-level conclusive.]]
** One could argue that the same is true for Lyon and the Prince. While nothing is directly mentioned about it, there's a lot of subtle subtext pointing towards that they indeed have more developed relationship that what is known. See for example certain dialogue-less scenes in Lunas.

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* {{UST}}: Between {{UST}}:
**
Lelei and Lucretia, and Lyon and the Prince.
** [[SchoolgirlLesbians Lelei and Lucretia]] [[HideYourLesbians
Lucretia may be resolved, however.]] [[AmbiguouslyGay resolved. Oboro's comments are suggestive but not conclusive. As in,]] in, [[MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha Nanoha-level conclusive.]]
** One could argue that the same is true for Lyon and the Prince. While nothing is directly mentioned about it, there's a lot of subtle subtext pointing towards that they indeed have a more developed relationship that then what is known. See for example certain dialogue-less scenes in Lunas.



* WellIntentionedExtremist: The Godwins seek to empower Falena as a nation so that the losses suffered in the bloody civil war several years ago is not repeated. Unfortunately, they try to do this by overthrowing the royal family, reviving a defunct assassin's guild, and [[spoiler:attempting to purge the nation of all nonhumans.]]
** A fairly common [[EpilepticTrees fan theory]] is that they expected to lose, and that the newly empowered Falena at the end was their plan all along. This becomes a GambitRoulette if looked at too closely, but that doesn't mean they didn't invent it as a [[XanatosSpeedChess Plan B]] when it was clear they were losing...

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* WellIntentionedExtremist: WellIntentionedExtremist:
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The Godwins seek to empower Falena as a nation so that the losses suffered in the bloody civil war several years ago is not repeated. Unfortunately, they try to do this by overthrowing the royal family, reviving a defunct assassin's guild, and [[spoiler:attempting to purge the nation of all nonhumans.]]
** A fairly common [[EpilepticTrees fan theory]] is that they expected to lose, and that the newly empowered Falena at the end was their plan all along. This becomes a GambitRoulette if looked at too closely, but that doesn't mean they didn't invent it as a [[XanatosSpeedChess Plan B]] when it was clear they were losing...
]]



* WholesomeCrossdresser: [[spoiler: Rahal fills out his sister's clothes pretty well...it's also unclear why he has a spare of them with him...]]
** The game makes it pretty clear. [[spoiler: Rahal knows that he's exceptionally beautiful, so he'll make use of that fact in any way possible. And apparently, he and his sister have been trolling their friends like this for years.]]
* WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity: The Sun Rune is one of the strongest of the 27 True Runes, and can cause moments of extreme megalomania in its bearer, as they believe themselves to be a God. Even the kind and loving Arshtat fell victim to this, destroying Lordlake [[spoiler:and almost doing the same to the entire country of Falena]] because of the rune's influence.
** This is in fact what happened to empire that existed where Falena does long before the game takes place. The ruler who wielded the Sun Rune went mad and annihilated his entire nation overnight. Supposedly having possession of the Dawn and Twilight runes as well prevents this from happening to the wielder of the Sun Rune.

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* WholesomeCrossdresser: [[spoiler: Rahal fills out his sister's clothes pretty well...it's also unclear why he has a spare well. He knows that he's exceptionally beautiful, so he'll make use of them with him...that fact in any way possible. He and his sister have been trolling their friends like this for years.]]
** The game makes it pretty clear. [[spoiler: Rahal knows that he's exceptionally beautiful, so he'll make use of that fact in any way possible. And apparently, he and his sister have been trolling their friends like this for years.]]
* WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity: The Sun Rune is one of the strongest of the 27 True Runes, and can cause moments of extreme megalomania in its bearer, as they believe themselves to be a God. god. Even the kind and loving Arshtat fell victim to this, destroying Lordlake [[spoiler:and almost doing the same to the entire country of Falena]] because of the rune's influence.
**
influence. This is in fact what happened to empire that existed where Falena does long before the game takes place. The ruler who wielded the Sun Rune went mad and annihilated his entire nation overnight. Supposedly having possession of the Dawn and Twilight runes as well prevents this from happening to the wielder of the Sun Rune.



* XanatosGambit: Lucretia wields one of these masterfully to beat the combined Armes/Godwin army, first feigning defeat to get the enemy armies to occupy the rebel headquarters, flooding the entire thing, then launching a full out assault on the weakened enemy forces. Truly worthy of being an {{Expy}} of [[RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms Zhuge Liang]].
** She really did think of everything. Leaving the castle itself is a good move because they would be surrounded otherwise, and it denies the enemy desperately needed food. Even if the Armes/Godwin army ''didn't'' fall for the trap, they'd still be chasing a fully stocked army with empty bellies and grumbling mouths.

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* XanatosGambit: Lucretia wields one of these masterfully to beat the combined Armes/Godwin army, first feigning defeat to get the enemy armies to occupy the rebel headquarters, flooding the entire thing, then launching a full out assault on the weakened enemy forces. Truly worthy of being an {{Expy}} of [[RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms Zhuge Liang]].
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Liang]]. She really did think of everything. Leaving the castle itself is a good move because they would be surrounded otherwise, and it denies the enemy desperately needed food. Even if the Armes/Godwin army ''didn't'' fall for the trap, they'd still be chasing a fully stocked army with empty bellies and grumbling mouths.



* YouCantThwartStageOne: Very, very obvious, and very, ''very'' painful.
** Especially since the quality of the writing repeatedly forces blatant false hope on the player that serves only to underscore this trope.
* YouFightLikeACow: One-on-one duels are carried out by executing three possible commands that cancel each other by TacticalRockPaperScissors mechanics. How to tell what the enemy is going to do? By their pre-action taunts, of course. While this is a staple of the series, Suikoden V takes it further by adding a time limit to the input so you are in a bit more of a hurry. The catch? Certain characters with apparent MediumAwareness start taking advantage of this rush by making ''feint taunts'' that seem like they'll be one action and change to another by the end of their speech.

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* YouCantThwartStageOne: Very, very obvious, and very, ''very'' painful.
** Especially since the quality of the writing repeatedly forces blatant false hope on the player that serves only to underscore this trope.
%%* YouCantThwartStageOne:
* YouFightLikeACow: One-on-one duels are carried out by executing three possible commands that cancel each other by TacticalRockPaperScissors mechanics. How to tell what the enemy is going to do? By their pre-action taunts, of course. While this is a staple of the series, Suikoden V takes it further by adding a time limit to the input so you are in a bit more of a hurry. The catch? Certain characters with apparent MediumAwareness start taking advantage of this rush by making ''feint taunts'' that seem like they'll be one action and change to another by the end of their speech.



* YourPrincessIsInAnotherCastle: After you liberate Sol-Falena. [[spoiler: The country is saved, but the BigBad escaped with the Sun Rune and threatens to flood the place.]]
** [[spoiler: [[{{Irony}} The princess herself, however, is present and accounted for.]]]]

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* YourPrincessIsInAnotherCastle: After you liberate Sol-Falena. [[spoiler: The country is saved, but the BigBad escaped with the Sun Rune and threatens to flood the place.]]
** [[spoiler:
[[{{Irony}} The princess herself, however, is present and accounted for.]]]]
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