History VideoGame / SuikodenI

13th Apr '16 12:15:04 PM rixion
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* [[spoiler: BackFromTheDead]]: [[spoiler:Gremio]], if you recruit all 108 characters.

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* [[spoiler: BackFromTheDead]]: BackFromTheDead: [[spoiler:Gremio]], if you recruit all 108 characters.
13th Feb '16 3:04:37 PM danixdefcon5
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* ProductionForeshadowing: One of the Old Books that can be collected is a narration on Suikoden's version of the world's origin. It mentions a battle between the Shield and the Sword, and the origin of the 27 True Runes. [[VideoGame/SuikodenII Guess which runes are involved in the main plot of the next game]]. It even manages to foreshadow the main conflict in ''Suikoden II''.
5th Sep '15 9:46:12 AM Tir
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* AdamSmithHatesYourGuts: Seriously. Great, you have a headquarters with an inn, an item shop, an armoury, a blacksmith... not to mention that the shopkeepers are all in your employ. Can you expect to get any goods and services for free (or at least a hey-I'm-the-commander-of-this-army discount)? Nope.

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* AdamSmithHatesYourGuts: Seriously. Great, you have a headquarters with an inn, an item shop, an armoury, a blacksmith... not to mention that the shopkeepers are all in your employ. Can you expect to get any goods and services for free (or at least a hey-I'm-the-commander-of-this-army discount)? Nope.
19th Jul '15 10:04:22 AM SamuraiMarmoset
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* HeterosexualLifePartners: The ship-builder Gen and the alchemist Kamandol give off this vibe.


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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: [[spoiler: Sanchez]]'s fate is never elaborated upon in the game itself, because [[spoiler: he's]] not a Star of Destiny and doesn't get mentioned in the epilogue. [[AllThereInTheManual Supplementary materials]] reveal that after the end of the war, [[spoiler: he was pardoned by President Lepant to avoid a scandal, made to swear that he will not associate with any Republic officials, and ends up entering Qlon Temple to live quietly.]] Of course, these materials [[NoExportForYou never made it out of Japan.]]
10th Jul '15 8:57:06 PM SamuraiMarmoset
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* ButForMeItWasTuesday: When confronting Neclord in his castle, Viktor angrily asks the vampire if he remembers Viktor's home town of Northwind, which he destroyed. While Neclord admits to vaguely recognizing Viktor [[spoiler: thanks to the Star Dragon Sword sending him and the rest of the party back in time to when Windy tried to first steal the Soul Eater]], he admits Northwind rings zero bells for him.
5th Jun '15 2:26:27 PM Nevareh
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** It might be worse than that; the Soul Eater is implied to ''manipulate fate'' to cause the [[spoiler: people nearest to the bearer]] to die off so it can feed.
18th May '15 9:09:32 PM Sabrewing
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* LevelLockedLoot: Would you believe ''characters''? Lorelai and Eikei both require Tir to be over a certain level to recruit them[[note]]25 and 40, respectively[[/note]]; Rubi requires Kirkis to be over level 40.
24th Mar '15 2:45:19 PM Saurubiker
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* GuestStarPartyMember: Anyone in the party who's not a Star of Destiny is a temporary party member.

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* GuestStarPartyMember: Anyone in Ted and Odessa, who are not part of the party who's not a Star 108 Stars of Destiny is a temporary party member.Destiny.
21st Feb '15 1:00:14 AM ChrisX
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* DeadStarWalking: Gremio and Ted prominently appear in opening movies and accompany your loading screen if it's not Tir. In a way, they ''are'' pretty important, but [[spoiler:Ted leaves permanently very early in the game, and late in the game when he 'returns', he dies. Gremio dies halfway in the game and spends the majority of the game in the realm of the dead, unless you collect all 108 Destinies and revives him... only for the ''final'' segment of the game.]]
27th Jan '15 2:46:54 AM DA
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* [[spoiler: BackFromTheDead]]: [[spoiler: Gremio]], if you recruit all 108 characters.
* BerserkButton: To quote from Ronnie Bell: "You bums! Calling me 'giant woman' over and over. I'll teach you a lesson!"

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* [[spoiler: BackFromTheDead]]: [[spoiler: Gremio]], [[spoiler:Gremio]], if you recruit all 108 characters.
* BerserkButton: To quote from Ronnie Bell: "You Bell:
-->"You
bums! Calling me 'giant woman' over and over. I'll teach you a lesson!"



* BlessedWithSuck: Guess what the Soul Eater does? [[spoiler: Oh, it just sucks the souls out of your closest friends and family to power itself up, is all.]]
* BlindIdiotTranslation: Not too bad for its time really, except for Stallion's "True Holy Rune" that isn't one of the True Runes at all; a better rendering would have been the ''Godspeed'' Rune.

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* BlessedWithSuck: Guess what the Soul Eater does? [[spoiler: Oh, [[spoiler:Oh, it just sucks the souls out of your closest friends and family to power itself up, is all.]]
* BlindIdiotTranslation: BlindIdiotTranslation:
**
Not too bad for its time really, except for Stallion's "True Holy Rune" that isn't one of the True Runes at all; a better rendering would have been the ''Godspeed'' Rune.



* BrainwashedAndCrazy: [[spoiler: Two of the Five Imperial Generals (Kwanda Rosman and Milich Oppenheimer), thanks to Windy's Black Runes. Teo [=McDohl=], Sonya Schulen, and Kasim Hazil all avert this and are opposed to the Liberation Army of their own will.]]
** [[spoiler: Subverted by Emperor Barbarossa, though, who only pretends to be brainwashed.]]

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* BrainwashedAndCrazy: [[spoiler: Two [[spoiler:Two of the Five Imperial Generals (Kwanda Rosman and Milich Oppenheimer), thanks to Windy's Black Runes. Teo [=McDohl=], Sonya Schulen, and Kasim Hazil all avert this and are opposed to the Liberation Army of their own will.]]
** [[spoiler: Subverted [[spoiler:Subverted by Emperor Barbarossa, though, who only pretends to be brainwashed.]]



** "Not if it's bitter!"

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** --> "Not if it's bitter!"



* CaptainErsatz: Maximilian, for Literature/DonQuixote, possibly Stallion, bizarrely, for SonicTheHedgehog and Fu Su Lu for Guin from ''LightNovel/GuinSaga''.
** The Stallion/Sonic thing does make some sense when you think about it. Super speed, only seems to talk about how fast he can go, blue hair, lives in a forest, [[spoiler: decides to fight against an evil imperialistic empire after it destroys his home...]]

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* CaptainErsatz: Maximilian, for Literature/DonQuixote, possibly ''Literature/DonQuixote,'' Stallion, bizarrely, for SonicTheHedgehog and Fu Su Lu for Guin from ''LightNovel/GuinSaga''.
** The Stallion/Sonic thing does make some sense when you think about it. Super speed, only seems to talk about how fast he can go, blue hair, lives in a forest, [[spoiler: decides to fight against an evil imperialistic empire after it destroys his home...]]
''LightNovel/GuinSaga''.



* CruelAndUnusualDeath: [[spoiler: Gremio's HeroicSacrifice involves him being trapped alone a room and eaten alive by man-eating spores. He does get better if you collect all the stars.]]
* DarkIsNotEvil [=/=] EvenEvilHasStandards: The Soul Eater is described as "the most wicked of the True Runes", but at the end, [[spoiler:it rejects Windy]].
* DefeatMeansFriendship: Ah, BrainwashedAndCrazy, where would the Stars be without you? [[spoiler: Though you gotta watch for those recruits who [[NotBrainwashed aren't brainwashed]]...]]

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* CruelAndUnusualDeath: [[spoiler: Gremio's [[spoiler:Gremio's HeroicSacrifice involves him being trapped alone a room and eaten alive by man-eating spores. He does get better if you collect all the stars.]]
* DarkIsNotEvil [=/=] EvenEvilHasStandards: DarkIsNotEvil[=/=]EvenEvilHasStandards: The Soul Eater is described as "the most wicked of the True Runes", but at the end, [[spoiler:it rejects Windy]].
* DefeatMeansFriendship: Ah, BrainwashedAndCrazy, where would the Stars be without you? [[spoiler: Though [[spoiler:Though you gotta watch for those recruits who [[NotBrainwashed aren't brainwashed]]...]]



* FinalDeath: Make a bad decision during the war battles and most of your stars are vulnerable to this. Don't worry, they'll let you know via dramatic LastWords before you're informed of their demise.
** Oddly, if you use a game with dead characters to get the OldSaveBonus for ''SuikodenII'', the dead people are [[UnexplainedRecovery alive and well]]. This is even lampshaded in the second game.

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* FinalDeath: Make a bad decision during the war battles and most of your stars are vulnerable to this. Don't worry, they'll let you know via dramatic LastWords before you're informed of their demise.
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demise. Oddly, if you use a game with dead characters to get the OldSaveBonus for ''SuikodenII'', the dead people are [[UnexplainedRecovery alive and well]]. This is even lampshaded in the second game.



* HeroicBSOD: [[spoiler: Tir right after Gremio's death.]]
** Kirkis, once [[spoiler: the Village of the Elves burns down. Thinking his love, Sylvina, was there when it happened, he doesn't take it well.]]

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* HeroicBSOD: [[spoiler: Tir HeroicBSOD:
** [[spoiler:Tir
right after Gremio's death.]]
** Kirkis, once [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Village of the Elves burns down. Thinking his love, Sylvina, was there when it happened, he doesn't take it well.]]]] Gremio, of all people, winds up bringing him out of it pretty quick.



** Gremio, of all people, winds up bringing him out of it pretty quick.



* HighlyVisibleNinja: What's proper kunoichi attire? Kasumi says bright red and no pants! And the Shrike Rune involves high-jumping! [[FetishFuel Um...]]

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* HighlyVisibleNinja: What's proper kunoichi attire? Kasumi says bright red and no pants! And the Shrike Rune involves high-jumping! [[FetishFuel [[AuthorAppeal Um...]]



* ItWillNeverCatchOn: "A machine that runs on oil? Sounds ridiculous."
* JerkAss: Leknaat's young servant Luc.
** He actually possesses [[spoiler:the True Wind Rune, which makes him one of the most powerful mages in the game]]. He uses its power mostly to be a petty dick.

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* ItWillNeverCatchOn: ItWillNeverCatchOn:
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"A machine that runs on oil? Sounds ridiculous."
* JerkAss: Leknaat's young servant Luc.
**
Luc. He actually possesses [[spoiler:the True Wind Rune, which makes him one of the most powerful mages in the game]]. He uses its power mostly to be a petty dick.



* OneWingedAngel: So you finally arrived at the final battle, ready to kick the (completely human) {{Big Bad}}'s-[[OhCrap WHAT THE HELL?! HE JUST TRANSFORMED INTO A GIANT FUCKING GOLDEN DRAGON!!]]

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* OneWingedAngel: So you finally arrived at the final battle, ready to kick the (completely human) {{Big Bad}}'s-[[OhCrap WHAT Bad}}'s-WHAT THE HELL?! HE JUST TRANSFORMED INTO A GIANT FUCKING GOLDEN DRAGON!!]]DRAGON!!



* OurElvesAreDifferent: For a start they're moronic to the point of retarded, they think they're the most advanced civilization around despite being the smallest faction and then there's Stallion, an off-beat blue haired speedster.

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* OurElvesAreDifferent: For a start start, they're moronic to the point of retarded, not very smart, yet they think they're the most advanced civilization around despite being the smallest faction and then faction. Then there's Stallion, an off-beat blue haired speedster.



* PleaseKillMeIfItSatisfiesYou: Expect many recruits to give you this option if they were BrainwashedAndCrazy and did something unforgivable. [[spoiler: Or if they just committed a FaceHeelTurn.]] But don't do it.

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* PleaseKillMeIfItSatisfiesYou: Expect many recruits to give you this option if they were BrainwashedAndCrazy and did something unforgivable. [[spoiler: Or [[spoiler:Or if they just committed a FaceHeelTurn.]] But don't do it.



* ReallySevenHundredYearsOld: [[spoiler: Ted got to be BlessedWithSuck before [=McDohl=].]]

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* ReallySevenHundredYearsOld: [[spoiler: Ted [[spoiler:Ted got to be BlessedWithSuck before [=McDohl=].]]



** Played straight with [[spoiler: Emperor Barbarossa]].

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** Played straight with [[spoiler: Emperor [[spoiler:Emperor Barbarossa]].



* SelfMadeOrphan: A rare heroic example can be found here with... [[spoiler: the main character]].

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* SelfMadeOrphan: A rare heroic example can be found here with... [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the main character]].



** Flik starts as one, due to [[spoiler: Odessa's death]]. [[CharacterDevelopment He gets better]] after [[spoiler: Gremio's HeroicSacrifice]].

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** Flik starts as one, due to [[spoiler: Odessa's [[spoiler:Odessa's death]]. [[CharacterDevelopment He gets better]] after [[spoiler: Gremio's [[spoiler:Gremio's HeroicSacrifice]].



* TreacheryCoverUp: Happens near the end with [[spoiler: Sanchez's reveal as TheMole.]]

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* TreacheryCoverUp: Happens near the end with [[spoiler: Sanchez's [[spoiler:Sanchez's reveal as TheMole.]]



* YourSoulIsMine: The Soul Eater rune is a Type Two B. When people [[spoiler:close to the bearer]] die, it eats their soul and gains power.

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* YourSoulIsMine: The Soul Eater rune is a Type Two B.does this. When people [[spoiler:close to the bearer]] die, it eats their soul and gains power.
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