History VideoGame / Suikoden

27th Mar '16 4:55:33 PM Wuz
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** Happens without fail every time, usually attributed to a big discharge of energy during the battle. Even in ''Suikoden III'', where the fight takes place in a faily big open-air area that still manages to fall on the boss and kill it, while your characters flee to safety... through the underground tunnels.

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** Happens without fail every time, usually attributed to a big discharge of energy during the battle. Even in ''Suikoden III'', where the fight takes place in a faily fairly big open-air area that still manages to fall on the boss and kill it, while your characters flee to safety... through the underground tunnels.



* LivingForeverIsAwesome: Demonstrated in three where [[spoiler: Geddoe]] holds onto the True Lightening Rune even after a contemporary has given up there's. [[Spoiler: Chris]] also holds onto the True Elemental Rune that she receives.

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* LivingForeverIsAwesome: Demonstrated in three where [[spoiler: Geddoe]] holds onto the True Lightening Rune even after a contemporary has given up there's. [[Spoiler: [[spoiler: Chris]] also holds onto the True Elemental Rune that she receives.
2nd Jan '16 6:59:32 PM Raebo007
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Among fans, ''VideoGame/SuikodenII'' is usually considered to be the strongest of the series (too bad it's also the one you're least likely to find, and the most expensive if you do find it), while ''IV'' is widely seen as the weakest. While not as graphically flashy as other video game series like ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'', this series has a lot to offer for gamers who like long and involved plots filled with intrigue and interesting characters.

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Among fans, ''VideoGame/SuikodenII'' is usually considered to be the strongest of the series (too bad it's also the one you're least likely to find, and the most expensive if you do find it), series, while ''IV'' is widely seen as the weakest. While not as graphically flashy as other video game series like ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'', this series has a lot to offer for gamers who like long and involved plots filled with intrigue and interesting characters.
27th Nov '15 4:40:22 PM Berrenta
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* GoToAlias: The entire series has the recurring alias of Scholtheim Reinbach III/IV. Made much funnier when [[BecauseImJonesy one of the games actually features the real Scholtheim Reinback III.]]

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* GoToAlias: The entire series has the recurring alias of Scholtheim Reinbach III/IV. Made much funnier when [[BecauseImJonesy [[ConfrontingYourImposter one of the games actually features the real Scholtheim Reinback III.]]
26th Nov '15 5:01:41 PM nombretomado
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*** Genshu (''Suikoden 2'') has similarities to [[SamuraiShodown Tachibana Ukyo]]: they both fight using Iai techniques, their stances both don't face their enemy directly, and both have techniques related Swallows (Genshu's rune, Tachibana's Tsubame Gaeshi) and their most powerful techniques are a series of very fast sword draws.

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*** Genshu (''Suikoden 2'') has similarities to [[SamuraiShodown [[VideoGame/SamuraiShodown Tachibana Ukyo]]: they both fight using Iai techniques, their stances both don't face their enemy directly, and both have techniques related Swallows (Genshu's rune, Tachibana's Tsubame Gaeshi) and their most powerful techniques are a series of very fast sword draws.
4th Nov '15 3:00:08 PM NonoRobot
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Following Konami's decision to no longer make AAA games and focus on the mobile market (along with several other decisions which earned them the ire of players), the future of the series is looking bleak, leaving many fans disillusioned.

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Following Konami's decision to no longer make AAA games and focus on the mobile market (along with several other decisions which earned them the ire of players), the future of the series is looking bleak, bleak (if not outright nonexistent), leaving many fans disillusioned.
4th Nov '15 2:58:01 PM NonoRobot
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The Suikoden universe is encompassed by 5 main console games, ''[[VideoGame/SuikodenI Suikoden]]'', ''VideoGame/SuikodenII'', ''VideoGame/SuikodenIII'', ''VideoGame/SuikodenIV'', ''VideoGame/SuikodenV'' and a group of spinoffs: a StrategyRPG game ''VideoGame/SuikodenTactics'' (''Rhapsodia'' in Japan); two canon VisualNovel games called ''Genso Suikogaiden 1'' and ''2'', featuring the adventures of Nash Latkje which provide background to Suikoden 2 and foreshadowing for 3; a GBA adaptation of the card game shoehorned into a retelling of Suikoden II's plot; and a Nintendo DS spin-off called ''VideoGame/SuikodenTierkreis'', which is set in an alternate universe unconnected to the main Suikoden world, none of which save ''Tierkreis'' have seen an English language release. There's also a slot machine game released in 2010, which saw the fans basically thinking "so this is how it ends, huh?".

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The Suikoden universe is encompassed by 5 main console games, ''[[VideoGame/SuikodenI Suikoden]]'', ''VideoGame/SuikodenII'', ''VideoGame/SuikodenIII'', ''VideoGame/SuikodenIV'', ''VideoGame/SuikodenV'' and a group of spinoffs: a StrategyRPG game ''VideoGame/SuikodenTactics'' (''Rhapsodia'' in Japan); two canon VisualNovel games called ''Genso Suikogaiden 1'' and ''2'', featuring the adventures of Nash Latkje which provide background to Suikoden 2 and foreshadowing for 3; a GBA adaptation of the card game shoehorned into a retelling of Suikoden II's plot; and a Nintendo DS spin-off called ''VideoGame/SuikodenTierkreis'', which is set in an alternate universe unconnected to the main Suikoden world, none of which save ''Tierkreis'' have seen an English language release. There's also a slot machine game released in 2010, which saw the fans basically thinking "so this is how it ends, huh?".
huh?". Ultimately, a last spin-off game was released on the PSP in 2012, known as ''VideoGame/SuikodenTheWovenWebOfACentury'', but [[NoExportForYou it was never localized]].
4th Nov '15 2:52:31 PM NonoRobot
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The Suikoden universe is encompassed by 5 main console games, ''[[VideoGame/SuikodenI Suikoden]]'', ''VideoGame/SuikodenII'', ''VideoGame/SuikodenIII'', ''VideoGame/SuikodenIV'', ''VideoGame/SuikodenV'' and a group of spinoffs: a StrategyRPG game ''VideoGame/SuikodenTactics'' (''Rhapsodia'' in Japan); two canon VisualNovel games called ''Genso Suikogaiden 1'' and ''2'', featuring the adventures of Nash Latkje which provide background to Suikoden 2 and foreshadowing for 3; a GBA adaptation of the card game shoehorned into a retelling of Suikoden II's plot; and a Nintendo DS spin-off called ''VideoGame/SuikodenTierkreis'', which is set in an alternate universe unconnected to the main Suikoden world, none of which save ''Tierkreis'' have seen an English language release. There's also a slot machine game released in 2010, which saw the fans basically thinking "so this is how it ends, huh?" And then a new PSP project is announced.

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The Suikoden universe is encompassed by 5 main console games, ''[[VideoGame/SuikodenI Suikoden]]'', ''VideoGame/SuikodenII'', ''VideoGame/SuikodenIII'', ''VideoGame/SuikodenIV'', ''VideoGame/SuikodenV'' and a group of spinoffs: a StrategyRPG game ''VideoGame/SuikodenTactics'' (''Rhapsodia'' in Japan); two canon VisualNovel games called ''Genso Suikogaiden 1'' and ''2'', featuring the adventures of Nash Latkje which provide background to Suikoden 2 and foreshadowing for 3; a GBA adaptation of the card game shoehorned into a retelling of Suikoden II's plot; and a Nintendo DS spin-off called ''VideoGame/SuikodenTierkreis'', which is set in an alternate universe unconnected to the main Suikoden world, none of which save ''Tierkreis'' have seen an English language release. There's also a slot machine game released in 2010, which saw the fans basically thinking "so this is how it ends, huh?" And then a new PSP project is announced.
huh?".


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Following Konami's decision to no longer make AAA games and focus on the mobile market (along with several other decisions which earned them the ire of players), the future of the series is looking bleak, leaving many fans disillusioned.
13th Sep '15 9:52:25 PM VenomLancerHae
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* ActionGirl: Too many to list
* ActionMom: Yoshino, Arshtat, Eileen, Lucia, and many more.

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\n%% * ActionGirl: Too many to list
%% * ActionMom: Yoshino, Arshtat, Eileen, Lucia, and many more.



* ArsonMurderAndJaywalking: Viktor's last taunt to Neclord in II...

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* ArsonMurderAndJaywalking: ArsonMurderAndJaywalking
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Viktor's last taunt to Neclord in II...



* ArtifactOfDoom: The Soul Eater and the Rune of Punishment.
** Hell, ''all'' the 27 true runes.
* AxCrazy / BadAss: Luca Blight from ''SuikodenII'' loves to slaughter and destroy - soldiers, villages, small children - and he does it with a [[SlasherSmile smile]]. As well as his {{Expy}} in ''Suikoden V'', Childerich.
* BattleBoomerang: Millie, Faylen, Sialeeds, and Sharmitsa.

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%% * ArtifactOfDoom: The Soul Eater and the Rune of Punishment.
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Punishment. Hell, ''all'' the 27 true runes.
* AxCrazy / BadAss: AxCrazy: Luca Blight from ''SuikodenII'' loves to slaughter and destroy - soldiers, villages, small children - and he does it with a [[SlasherSmile smile]]. As well as his {{Expy}} in ''Suikoden V'', Childerich.
%% * BattleBoomerang: Millie, Faylen, Sialeeds, and Sharmitsa.



* BlackKnight: Pesmerga and Yuber
* BlessedWithSuck: If anyone offers you a True Rune, run far, far away.
** Effectively should you ''choose'' to take it: You ''and'' your TrueCompanions) just became [[YouCantFightFate Destiny's]] ChewToy. You get powerful magics (which ''might'' be enough to fulfill your destiny) and stop aging (but WhoWantsToLiveForever?) ...mind you...there are some ''fantastically'' cruel drawbacks (all your closest friends dying, loss of sanity, etc. etc..)
* BlindSeer: Leknaat

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%% * BlackKnight: Pesmerga and Yuber
* BlessedWithSuck: If anyone offers you a True Rune, run far, far away.
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away. Effectively should you ''choose'' to take it: You ''and'' your TrueCompanions) just became [[YouCantFightFate Destiny's]] ChewToy. You get powerful magics (which ''might'' be enough to fulfill your destiny) and stop aging (but WhoWantsToLiveForever?) ...mind you...there are some ''fantastically'' cruel drawbacks (all your closest friends dying, loss of sanity, etc. etc..)
%% * BlindSeer: Leknaat



* TheCaligula: Luca Blight
** Ironically however, [[spoiler:he never got around to the murdering his father and taking the throne part of this trope before the heroes did away with him. Then ''Jowy'' fills in that blank by marrying the princess, killing the king, and taking over the country himself in a misguided attempt to stop the war.]]
** [[spoiler:But he does manage to get around to murdering his father. As part of an elaborate plot, during Jowy and Jillia's wedding ceremony, Luca's father the king and Jowy drink from a ceremonial wine goblet. Knowing this, Luca has Jowy build up an immunity to a poison he places in the wine; the king isn't similarly immune, and ends up dying. Luca then becoms King, if only for a brief period.]]
** [[spoiler:Actually Jowy's blood, not the wine, was poisoned. Luca had to taste the wine before his father would touch it, so the only way to poison the king is to poison Jowy's blood, which is put fresh into the cup just before the king drinks it.]]

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* TheCaligula: Luca Blight
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Blight Ironically however, [[spoiler:he never got around to the murdering his father and taking the throne part of this trope before the heroes did away with him. Then ''Jowy'' fills in that blank by marrying the princess, killing the king, and taking over the country himself in a misguided attempt to stop the war.]]
** [[spoiler:But
But he does manage to get around to murdering his father. As part of an elaborate plot, during Jowy and Jillia's wedding ceremony, Luca's father the king and Jowy drink from a ceremonial wine goblet. Knowing this, Luca has Jowy build up an immunity to a poison he places in the wine; the king isn't similarly immune, and ends up dying. Luca then becoms King, if only for a brief period.]]
** [[spoiler:Actually
Actually Jowy's blood, not the wine, was poisoned. Luca had to taste the wine before his father would touch it, so the only way to poison the king is to poison Jowy's blood, which is put fresh into the cup just before the king drinks it.]]



* ChainOfDeals
* CharacterDevelopment: Notably Flik, who starts out as a [[ClingyJealousGirl Clingy Jealous Boyfriend]] of Odessa, and got struck HARD with her death, but eventually matures up, accomplishes much more things and eventually becomes [[EnsembleDarkhorse a fan favorite]]

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%% * ChainOfDeals
* CharacterDevelopment: CharacterDevelopment:
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Notably Flik, who starts out as a [[ClingyJealousGirl Clingy Jealous Boyfriend]] of Odessa, and got struck HARD with her death, but eventually matures up, accomplishes much more things and eventually becomes [[EnsembleDarkhorse a fan favorite]]



* ChekhovsGun: The Fire Spears in I
* ChickMagnet: Flik

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%& * ChekhovsGun: The Fire Spears in I
* ChickMagnet: ChickMagnet:
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Flik



* ColdSniper: Clive in 1 and 2, subverted with Cathari in 5

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* ColdSniper: ColdSniper:
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Clive in 1 and 2, subverted with Cathari in 5



* CombatMedic: [[SuikodenII Riou]] and [[SuikodenV the Prince of Falena]].

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%% * CombatMedic: [[SuikodenII Riou]] and [[SuikodenV the Prince of Falena]].



* ContemptibleCover: Suikoden 1's American box art looks like the cover of a bad fantasy novel.
** To emphasize this, if you look up lists of the worst box art ever, Suikoden's makes frequent appearances alongside VideoGame/MegaMan for being laughably hideous.

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* ContemptibleCover: Suikoden 1's American box art looks like the cover of a bad fantasy novel.
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novel. To emphasize this, if you look up lists of the worst box art ever, Suikoden's makes frequent appearances alongside VideoGame/MegaMan for being laughably hideous.



* {{Dojikko}}: Viki is so clumsy, she sneezes herself through time and space. It's a running gag that at the victory banquet at the end of each game, she sneezes herself straight into the middle of the next one, despite the games being centuries apart, and not in chronological order.)
** It's implied in the third game that [[spoiler:she's a historian from the future doing this on purpose to document historical events first hand.]]

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* {{Dojikko}}: Viki is so clumsy, she sneezes herself through time and space. It's a running gag that at the victory banquet at the end of each game, she sneezes herself straight into the middle of the next one, despite the games being centuries apart, and not in chronological order.)
**
) It's implied in the third game that [[spoiler:she's a historian from the future doing this on purpose to document historical events first hand.]]



* DragonRider: The aptly named Dragon Knights.

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%% * DragonRider: The aptly named Dragon Knights.



* EmpathicWeapon: Although not weapons in the traditional sence, all 27 True Runes are sentient for the most part, one of them takes the form of the Zodiac/Star Dragon Sword.
** Interestingly, the sword is an absolute {{Jerkass}} to everyone. Even it's 'preferred' wielders.
* MrFanservice: Flik. It's hard to tell in the original, what with the low quality graphics, but he DOES get one character to join the group by drinking tea with her all night (at her request). It's far more prevailent in ''Suikoden 2'', where women regularly hit on him, and is constantly being pestered by [[StalkerWithACrush Nina]]. Most of the heroes are this as well, with the possible exception of Lazlo.

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* EmpathicWeapon: Although not weapons in the traditional sence, all 27 True Runes are sentient for the most part, one of them takes the form of the Zodiac/Star Dragon Sword.
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Sword. Interestingly, the sword is an absolute {{Jerkass}} to everyone. Even it's 'preferred' wielders.
* MrFanservice: MrFanservice:
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Flik. It's hard to tell in the original, what with the low quality graphics, but he DOES get one character to join the group by drinking tea with her all night (at her request). It's far more prevailent in ''Suikoden 2'', where women regularly hit on him, and is constantly being pestered by [[StalkerWithACrush Nina]]. Most of the heroes are this as well, with the possible exception of Lazlo.



* {{Eyepatch of Power}}: Worn by Georg, arguably one of the most physically powerful human characters in the game series, and by Geddoe, the most bad-assed of the three main heroes in ''Suikoden III''.
* EveryoneLovesBlondes: Teo for Sonya Shulen.
** Also Tai Ho for Kimberly.

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* {{Eyepatch of Power}}: EyepatchOfPower: Worn by Georg, arguably one of the most physically powerful human characters in the game series, and by Geddoe, the most bad-assed of the three main heroes in ''Suikoden III''.
* %%* EveryoneLovesBlondes: Teo for Sonya Shulen.
** %%* Also Tai Ho for Kimberly.



* FieryRedhead: Valeria and Tengaar from the first game.
* FinalDeath

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%% * FieryRedhead: Valeria and Tengaar from the first game.
%% * FinalDeath



* FriendlySniper: Cathari in ''{{Suikoden V}}''.

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%% * FriendlySniper: Cathari in ''{{Suikoden V}}''.



* GottaCatchEmAll: Have fun recruiting all the Stars of Destiny! Sadly, Suikoden II forces you to choose between characters a couple of times, and you don't have enough Listening Crystals to recruit all the available monsters.

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* GottaCatchEmAll: GottaCatchEmAll:
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Have fun recruiting all the Stars of Destiny! Sadly, Suikoden II forces you to choose between characters a couple of times, and you don't have enough Listening Crystals to recruit all the available monsters.



* GunsAreWorthless: In a world of swords and magic, The Howling Voice Guild uses assault rifles. {{Lampshaded}} in ''Suikoden V'' when a member of the Guild explains that rifles are inferior to the bow-and-arrow because of the cost, difficulty to manufacture and reduced accuracy: however, they ''are'' useful as an intimidation tactic.

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* GunsAreWorthless: GunsAreWorthless:
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In a world of swords and magic, The Howling Voice Guild uses assault rifles. {{Lampshaded}} in ''Suikoden V'' when a member of the Guild explains that rifles are inferior to the bow-and-arrow because of the cost, difficulty to manufacture and reduced accuracy: however, they ''are'' useful as an intimidation tactic.



* HelloInsertNameHere: You name the main character in each game except 3, however their 'canon' names are given in supplementary material. Tir McDohl in Suikoden 1. Riou in Suikoden 2. Lazlo in Suikoden 4 and Freyjadour Falenas in Suikoden 5. Most players abbreviate Freyjadour to Frey however.

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* HelloInsertNameHere: You name the main character in each game except 3, however their 'canon' names are given in supplementary material. Tir McDohl [=McDohl=] in Suikoden 1. Riou in Suikoden 2. Lazlo in Suikoden 4 and Freyjadour Falenas in Suikoden 5. Most players abbreviate Freyjadour to Frey however.



* HeroAntagonist: Jowy in SuikodenII
* HeroesWantRedheads: Hix for Tengaar.
** Also Flik for Odessa Silverberg.
* HeroicBastard: Hugo in 3
** [[spoiler:Thomas]] as well.
* HeroicBSOD: Poor Pilika watches as Luca Blight stabs Pohl to death right before her eyes, and after recovering from her BSOD she and her current guardians discover she's been rendered mute - for the rest of the game. Talk about UnluckyChildhoodFriend...
** Which, for the record, happens ''after'' her parents are brutally murdered while her home town is being completely razed. All things considered, it'll be a miracle if the poor girl isn't emotionally scarred for life.
* HeroicSacrifice: Quite a few actually, [[spoiler: Odessa, Gremio, Teo, Ted, and Mathiu]] in Suikoden 1 alone.

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%% * HeroAntagonist: Jowy in SuikodenII
%% * HeroesWantRedheads: Hix for Tengaar.
%% ** Also Flik for Odessa Silverberg.
%% * HeroicBastard: Hugo in 3
%% ** [[spoiler:Thomas]] as well.
* HeroicBSOD: Poor Pilika watches as Luca Blight stabs Pohl to death right before her eyes, and after recovering from her BSOD she and her current guardians discover she's been rendered mute - for the rest of the game. Talk about UnluckyChildhoodFriend...
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UnluckyChildhoodFriend... Which, for the record, happens ''after'' her parents are brutally murdered while her home town is being completely razed. All things considered, it'll be a miracle if the poor girl isn't emotionally scarred for life.
* HeroicSacrifice: HeroicSacrifice:
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Quite a few actually, [[spoiler: Odessa, Gremio, Teo, Ted, and Mathiu]] in Suikoden 1 alone.



* TheHighQueen: Queen Arshtat of the Queendom of Falena fits this trope rather well, at least while at court, and ''especially'' while being influenced by the Sun Rune
* HighlyVisibleNinja: Kasumi wears bright red and no pants in 1, and many of the others are just as bad. The only ninja that seems to avert this trope is Kage

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* TheHighQueen: Queen Arshtat of the Queendom of Falena fits this trope rather well, at least while at court, and ''especially'' while being influenced by the Sun Rune
Rune.
* HighlyVisibleNinja: HighlyVisibleNinja:
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Kasumi wears bright red and no pants in 1, and many of the others are just as bad. The only ninja that seems to avert this trope is KageKage.



* KatanasAreJustBetter: The setting is a fantasy world where Eastern and Western weapons and armor exist side by side. Except for ''Suikodens III and IV,'' the main heroes in all the games have a tendency to favor Asian style weapons -- like bo staffs, tonfa and nunchaku -- over Western style swords.

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* KatanasAreJustBetter: KatanasAreJustBetter:
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The setting is a fantasy world where Eastern and Western weapons and armor exist side by side. Except for ''Suikodens III and IV,'' the main heroes in all the games have a tendency to favor Asian style weapons -- like bo staffs, tonfa and nunchaku -- over Western style swords.



* KidHero

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* KidHeroKidHero:



* KilledOffForReal: In tactical battles when a unit is wiped out there is a chance the characters in that unit can be killed off permanently unless you have the appropriate skill user with that group. Also, in 2, Ridley can be killed, depending on the choices you make at one point, and Kiba dies during a mission

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* KilledOffForReal: KilledOffForReal:
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In tactical battles when a unit is wiped out there is a chance the characters in that unit can be killed off permanently unless you have the appropriate skill user with that group. Also, in 2, Ridley can be killed, depending on the choices you make at one point, and Kiba dies during a mission



* KillItWithFire: Yuber, the series most frequently seen PsychoForHire, burns a village every single time he first shows up in every single game he shows up in. In fact, his earliest chronological appearance in the series, a flashback to 300 years before Suikoden I shows him burning a village. Dude sure loves to play with fire.

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* KillItWithFire: KillItWithFire:
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Yuber, the series most frequently seen PsychoForHire, burns a village every single time he first shows up in every single game he shows up in. In fact, his earliest chronological appearance in the series, a flashback to 300 years before Suikoden I shows him burning a village. Dude sure loves to play with fire.



* LadyOfWar: Just like the ActionGirl, there's lots and lots
** Sonya Shulen from the first game is a great example of this.
** Chris Lightfellow, one of the main characters from ''Suikoden III'' in particular is very strong example
* LeaveHimToMe: Usually done in the ''heroic'' inversion, with the heroes insisting or agreeing to a one-on-one duel despite outnumbering the enemy, as an excuse to use the game's dueling system.

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%% * LadyOfWar: Just like the ActionGirl, there's lots and lots
%% ** Sonya Shulen from the first game is a great example of this.
%% ** Chris Lightfellow, one of the main characters from ''Suikoden III'' in particular is very strong example
* LeaveHimToMe: LeaveHimToMe:
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Usually done in the ''heroic'' inversion, with the heroes insisting or agreeing to a one-on-one duel despite outnumbering the enemy, as an excuse to use the game's dueling system.



* LethalChef: Nanami. Her cooking makes Nash pass out in Suikogaiden Vol. 1

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* LethalChef: LethalChef:
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Nanami. Her cooking makes Nash pass out in Suikogaiden Vol. 1



* LetsSplitUpGang

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%% * LetsSplitUpGang



** Also Grenseal and Geddoe.

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%% ** Also Grenseal and Geddoe.



* LoadBearingBoss: Happens without fail every time, usually attributed to a big discharge of energy during the battle. Even in ''Suikoden III'', where the fight takes place in a faily big open-air area that still manages to fall on the boss and kill it, while your characters flee to safety... through the underground tunnels.

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* LoadBearingBoss: LoadBearingBoss:
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Happens without fail every time, usually attributed to a big discharge of energy during the battle. Even in ''Suikoden III'', where the fight takes place in a faily big open-air area that still manages to fall on the boss and kill it, while your characters flee to safety... through the underground tunnels.



* LostForever: Every one of the Stars of Destiny save the plot-relevant main characters. If you fail to recruit even one of the Stars or allow one of them to die permanently in battle, you can kiss the [[MultipleEndings Best Ending]] goodbye.

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* LostForever: LostForever:
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Every one of the Stars of Destiny save the plot-relevant main characters. If you fail to recruit even one of the Stars or allow one of them to die permanently in battle, you can kiss the [[MultipleEndings Best Ending]] goodbye.



* MightyGlacier: Humphrey Mintz and Kwanda Rosman from the first game.

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%% * MightyGlacier: Humphrey Mintz and Kwanda Rosman from the first game.



* MsFanservice: Jeane.
* MultipleEndings

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%% * MsFanservice: Jeane.
* MultipleEndingsMultipleEndings:



* {{Ninja}}: There are a good amount of these in this series.
* NonActionGuy: Thomas in Suikoden III, despite beig the Tenkai Star of the game, generally lets the others in Budehuc Castle do the fightng for him. He still manages to help out all three of the main characters by letting them use the castle as a base, though.

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%% * {{Ninja}}: There are a good amount of these in this series.
* NonActionGuy: NonActionGuy:
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Thomas in Suikoden III, despite beig the Tenkai Star of the game, generally lets the others in Budehuc Castle do the fightng for him. He still manages to help out all three of the main characters by letting them use the castle as a base, though.



* ObfuscatingStupidity: [[spoiler: Lord Barrows]] in ''Suikoden V''

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%% * ObfuscatingStupidity: [[spoiler: Lord Barrows]] in ''Suikoden V''



* OfficialCouple: According to Genso Suikogaiden 2, Kasumi and Tir hook up

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* OfficialCouple: OfficialCouple:
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According to Genso Suikogaiden 2, Kasumi and Tir hook upup.



* TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou: appears rather frequently

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* TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou: appears rather frequentlyfrequently.



* {{Pirates}}: There are a good amount of these in this series.
* PlotlineDeath

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%% * {{Pirates}}: There are a good amount of these in this series.
%% * PlotlineDeath



* PsychoForHire: Yuber, Childerich
* QuicklyDemotedWoman: Odessa Silverberg, certainly. It also counts as an earlier PlayerPunch [[spoiler:(Though not as ''hard'' as Gremio's later...)]]. Also Apple in II, who demotes ''herself'' because she says outright that she's no good as a strategist because she's a woman, and has the player go find someone better. The strategists of IV and V are female, though, so it was likely more Apple's own lack of confidence than a statement by the authors.
** ...Except that IV&V have different writers compared to the first three games, which were all written by the same guy. Make of that what you will.
* RainOfArrows

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%% * PsychoForHire: Yuber, Childerich
* QuicklyDemotedWoman: Odessa Silverberg, certainly. It also counts as an earlier PlayerPunch [[spoiler:(Though not as ''hard'' as Gremio's later...)]]. Also Apple in II, who demotes ''herself'' because she says outright that she's no good as a strategist because she's a woman, and has the player go find someone better. The strategists of IV and V are female, though, so it was likely more Apple's own lack of confidence than a statement by the authors.
** ...
authors. ...Except that IV&V have different writers compared to the first three games, which were all written by the same guy. Make of that what you will.
%% * RainOfArrows



* {{Ranger}}

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%% * {{Ranger}}



* RasputinianDeath Luca Blight. It takes tons of efforts to finally do him in.)

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* RasputinianDeath RasputinianDeath: Luca Blight. It takes tons of efforts to finally do him in.)



* RebelliousPrincess: Odessa, with regards of [[AllThereInTheManual her backstory with her first lover]]

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* RebelliousPrincess: RebelliousPrincess:
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Odessa, with regards of [[AllThereInTheManual her backstory with her first lover]]



* RedundantResearcher: Zweig, Lorelai and the other scholars

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* %%* RedundantResearcher: Zweig, Lorelai and the other scholarsscholars.



* TheRival: Rubi for Kirkis.
* RunningGag: Schtoltenheim Reinbach III and onward, Viki's habit of accidentally teleporting herself to another game moments before a victory feast.

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%% * TheRival: Rubi for Kirkis.
* RunningGag: RunningGag:
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Schtoltenheim Reinbach III and onward, Viki's habit of accidentally teleporting herself to another game moments before a victory feast.



* ShoutOut: WordOfGod confirms that Yuber's eight-fold-rune is a reference to the [[Literature/TheElricSaga "Melnibonean Saga"]] by Creator/MichaelMoorcock, the eight pointed star of the Chaos God Arioch.

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* ShoutOut: ShoutOut:
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WordOfGod confirms that Yuber's eight-fold-rune is a reference to the [[Literature/TheElricSaga "Melnibonean Saga"]] by Creator/MichaelMoorcock, the eight pointed star of the Chaos God Arioch.



* SiblingYinYang: Mathiu Silverberg is a strategist who was formerly a pacifistic teacher, whereas his sister Odessa is a [[RebelliousPrincess rebellious girl]], leads the Liberation Army, and at one point [[WhatTheHellHero calls out Mathiu as a coward]].

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* SiblingYinYang: SiblingYinYang:
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Mathiu Silverberg is a strategist who was formerly a pacifistic teacher, whereas his sister Odessa is a [[RebelliousPrincess rebellious girl]], leads the Liberation Army, and at one point [[WhatTheHellHero calls out Mathiu as a coward]].



* SimpleScoreOfSadness: "Gremio's Theme" from the first game.

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%% * SimpleScoreOfSadness: "Gremio's Theme" from the first game.



* StoneWall: Humphrey Mintz and Kwanda Rozman from the first game.

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%% * StoneWall: Humphrey Mintz and Kwanda Rozman from the first game.



* {{Stripperific}}: Jeane, especially in [[http://images.wikia.com/suikoden/images/2/27/Jeane0.jpg V]]; but what she wore in all the other games wasn't exactly ''modest''.

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* {{Stripperific}}: {{Stripperific}}:
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Jeane, especially in [[http://images.wikia.com/suikoden/images/2/27/Jeane0.jpg V]]; but what she wore in all the other games wasn't exactly ''modest''.



* TreacheryCoverUp: near the end of Suikoden I.

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%% * TreacheryCoverUp: near the end of Suikoden I.



* TwoGuysAndAGirl: Hero (Riou), Jowy, and Nanami from ''Suikoden 2''.
** Also Gremio, Pahn, and Cleo from ''Suikoden 1''.
* UnderratedAndOverleveled In fact any RolePlayingGames (like ''Suikoden'') that emphasize [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters a massive cast of recruitable teammates]] tend to be particularly guilty of this. The huge hosts of characters guarantee at least a few will be mundane people with little or no combat training, and the inability to focus much plot on each character means that the developers don't have time to give in story justification for everyone's combat capabilities.
* UnholyNuke: Pretty much all of the Soul Eater's spells.

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%% * TwoGuysAndAGirl: Hero (Riou), Jowy, and Nanami from ''Suikoden 2''.
%% ** Also Gremio, Pahn, and Cleo from ''Suikoden 1''.
* UnderratedAndOverleveled UnderratedAndOverleveled: In fact any RolePlayingGames (like ''Suikoden'') that emphasize [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters a massive cast of recruitable teammates]] tend to be particularly guilty of this. The huge hosts of characters guarantee at least a few will be mundane people with little or no combat training, and the inability to focus much plot on each character means that the developers don't have time to give in story justification for everyone's combat capabilities.
%% * UnholyNuke: Pretty much all of the Soul Eater's spells.



* UnlockableContent: A lot of the characters can't be gained through normal play.
* TheVamp: Windy from the first game.
* WarriorPrince: Freyjadour Falenas, Luca Blight, etc.

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%% * UnlockableContent: A lot of the characters can't be gained through normal play.
%% * TheVamp: Windy from the first game.
%% * WarriorPrince: Freyjadour Falenas, Luca Blight, etc.



* TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask: Arshtat

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%% * TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask: Arshtat



* YouShallNotPass: [[spoiler: Gremio]] does this in the first game to prevent the others from being devoured by flesh-eating spores, [[spoiler: and dies in the process.]]

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* YouShallNotPass: YouShallNotPass:
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[[spoiler: Gremio]] does this in the first game to prevent the others from being devoured by flesh-eating spores, [[spoiler: and dies in the process.]]
23rd Jun '15 11:07:21 AM nombretomado
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*** Wakaba's Tiger Rune animation looks an awful lot like [[KingofFighters King's]] Double Strike. Sometimes the animation for that attack instead ends with a [[StreetFighter Hurricane Kick]].
*** Oulan's attack animations look like [[KingofFighters Vanessa's]].

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*** Wakaba's Tiger Rune animation looks an awful lot like [[KingofFighters [[VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters King's]] Double Strike. Sometimes the animation for that attack instead ends with a [[StreetFighter Hurricane Kick]].
*** Oulan's attack animations look like [[KingofFighters [[VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters Vanessa's]].
8th Apr '15 12:45:16 AM SeptimusHeap
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* ''VideoGame/{{Suikoden I}}'' (1995)
* ''VideoGame/{{Suikoden II}}'' (1998)
* ''VideoGame/{{Suikoden III}}'' (2002)
* ''VideoGame/{{Suikoden IV}}'' (2004)
* ''VideoGame/{{Suikoden V}}'' (2006)

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* ''VideoGame/{{Suikoden I}}'' ''VideoGame/SuikodenI'' (1995)
* ''VideoGame/{{Suikoden II}}'' ''VideoGame/SuikodenII'' (1998)
* ''VideoGame/{{Suikoden III}}'' ''VideoGame/SuikodenIII'' (2002)
* ''VideoGame/{{Suikoden IV}}'' ''VideoGame/SuikodenIV'' (2004)
* ''VideoGame/{{Suikoden V}}'' ''VideoGame/SuikodenV'' (2006)
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