History VideoGame / ShinMegamiTenseiStrangeJourney

26th Mar '17 4:56:47 AM LucaEarlgrey
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A [[VideoGameRemake remake]] for the UsefulNotes/Nintendo3DS, ''Shin Megami Tensei: Deep Strange Journey'', has been [[http://shin-megamitensei.jp/dsj/ announced]] for a 2017 release in Japan.
25th Mar '17 1:37:58 PM nombretomado
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** If you say something about portable videogames to a demon, one might respond with "I'd make one that [[NintendoDS folds open and has two screens!]]"

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** If you say something about portable videogames to a demon, one might respond with "I'd make one that [[NintendoDS [[UsefulNotes/NintendoDS folds open and has two screens!]]"
12th Feb '17 9:42:35 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* DumpStat: For your Demonica, Magic. You'd expect it to influence how powerful your Gun skills are, seeing as Gun skills are basically your suit's version of magic spells, but that's actually the domain of the ''Strength'' stat. Magic instead influences how powerful your attack items are, which don't come very often and thus can fall into TooAwesomeToUse territory easily, while MP can be recharged onboard the ''Red Sprite'' or healing stations in the field for a small fee.

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* DumpStat: For your Demonica, Magic. You'd expect it to influence how powerful your Gun skills are, seeing as Gun skills are basically your suit's version of magic spells, but that's actually the domain of the ''Strength'' stat. Magic instead influences how powerful your attack items are, which don't come very often and thus can fall into TooAwesomeToUse territory easily, while MP can be recharged onboard the ''Red Sprite'' or and at healing stations in the field for a small fee.
12th Feb '17 9:40:40 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* DumpStat: For your Demonica, Magic. You'd expect it to influence how powerful your Gun skills are, seeing as Gun skills are basically your suit's version of magic spells, but that's actually the domain of the ''Strength'' stat. Magic instead influences how powerful your attack items are, which don't come very often and thus can fall into TooAwesomeToUse territory easily, while MP can be recharged onboard the ''Red Sprite'' or healing stations in the field for a small fee.
27th Dec '16 9:10:15 PM Caliburn_Absolute
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The DS incarnation of the ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' series. It was released for the [[NintendoDS DS]] in Japan on October 8, 2009 and March 22, 2010 for the United States.

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The DS incarnation of the ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' series. It was released for the [[NintendoDS [[UsefulNotes/NintendoDS DS]] in Japan on October 8, 2009 and March 22, 2010 for the United States.



* AliensSpeakingEnglish: Played with regarding demons. Even with the Demon Summoning Program installed in the Demonica [=OS=], demon speech will sound as utter gibberish until the Demonica has analyzed the demon at least once, allowing it to [[TranslatorMicrobes translate the back-and-forth banter]] between the demon and the Protagonist.
** Played with even more with all demons getting several types of speech patterns. Yes, you may have to negotiate with a valley girl demon, a disgruntled southern gentleman demon, a street punk demon, or demons that can only speak in pidgin English.
** Even [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] by a lot of demons who will ask you why you can talk with them. They accept different answers every time though.



* BanditMook: Demons who can use the enemy-exclusive Macca Beam or Wastrel Beam are the number 1 cause for premature baldness in gamers. Especially since they don't make you drop a preset amount of Macca, but a ''percentage'' of your total, so if a piddly little Preta from the second sector hits your endgame-level party with Macca Beam, you'll probably have to reload just from losing hundreds of thousands of Macca.
** Or, god forbid, your ''new-game plus party''.

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* BanditMook: Demons who can use the enemy-exclusive Macca Beam or Wastrel Beam are the number 1 cause for premature baldness in gamers. Especially since they don't make you drop a preset amount of Macca, but a ''percentage'' of your total, so if a piddly little Preta from the second sector hits your endgame-level party with (or, god forbid, a 'NewGamePlus party'')with Macca Beam, you'll probably have to reload just from losing hundreds of thousands of Macca.
** Or, god forbid, your ''new-game plus party''.
Macca.



* BetterToDieThanBeKilled: Should you choose to do nothing and show mercy during The Holy Dragonslayer EX Mission then [[spoiler:Mother Harlot will have her Dragon devour her so that she will no longer be a tool for the Angels to use]].
** Which, incidentally, seems like a ShoutOut to Revelations, 17:16.

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* BetterToDieThanBeKilled: Should you choose to do nothing and show mercy during The Holy Dragonslayer EX Mission Mission, then [[spoiler:Mother Harlot will have her Dragon devour her as a nod to Revelations 17:16 so that she will no longer be a tool for the Angels to use]].
** Which, incidentally, seems like a ShoutOut to Revelations, 17:16.
use]].



* BigLabyrinthineBuilding / {{Greed}}: Sector Carina is a huge shopping mall with escalators and sliding doors, and rows and rows of bizzare products, and it also serves as a meat packing plant, as conveyor lines carry endless sides of meat to unseen kitchens where they are prepared for [[VillainousGlutton Horkos]]. It's also one of the more memorable areas of the game, as many characters are simply astonished by the appearance of a shopping mall in a different dimension, but apparently it's not so foreign, as Chen remarks that the sector is simply a copy of a real mall on Earth (although how many shopping malls routinely carry ''heavy military ordnance'' is anyone's guess). In the game's story, riots and lootings are trailing though South America due to shortages, likely stemming from the severe economic imbalance of the game's CrapsackWorld.

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* BigLabyrinthineBuilding / {{Greed}}: Sector Carina is a huge shopping mall with escalators and sliding doors, and rows and rows of bizzare bizarre products, and it also serves as a meat packing plant, as conveyor lines carry endless sides of meat to unseen kitchens where they are prepared for [[VillainousGlutton Horkos]]. It's also one of the more memorable areas of the game, as many characters are simply astonished by the appearance of a shopping mall in a different dimension, but apparently it's not so foreign, as Chen remarks that the sector is simply a copy of a real mall on Earth (although how many shopping malls routinely carry ''heavy military ordnance'' is anyone's guess). In the game's story, riots and lootings are trailing though South America due to shortages, likely stemming from the severe economic imbalance of the game's CrapsackWorld.



** Not to mention the answer to the question at the beginning of the game (Will the mission succeed?). Unless you do neutral.

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** Not to mention the answer to the [[spoiler:the question at the beginning of the game (Will the mission succeed?). Unless you do neutral.]]



** Also the MC himself will receive macca, items, and even demonic fighters just by telling them what they want to hear.

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** Also the MC himself will receive macca, Macca, items, and even demonic fighters just by telling them what they want to hear.



* BossRush: In Sector Antlia on a NewGamePlus, a strange device allows you to fight the sector endbosses back-to-back (as well as [[spoiler:Pillar Zelenin, Soil Jimenez, and Mastema]]. Doing so allows you to [[PeninsulaOfPowerLeveling grind levels like nobody's business]] in the span of minutes. To a lesser extent, [[spoiler:Sector Fornax also counts, with you fighting Moloch, Mithras, Orcus, and Asherah, who are slightly upgraded versions of Morax, Mitra, Horkos, and Asura]].

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* BossRush: In Sector Antlia on a NewGamePlus, a strange device allows you to fight the sector endbosses back-to-back (as well as [[spoiler:Pillar Zelenin, Soil Jimenez, and Mastema]]. Doing so allows you to [[PeninsulaOfPowerLeveling grind levels like nobody's business]] in the span of minutes. To a lesser extent, [[spoiler:Sector Fornax also counts, with you fighting Moloch, Mithras, Orcus, and Asherah, who are slightly upgraded versions of Morax, Mitra, Horkos, and Asura]].Asura respectively]].



* BreakingTheFourthWall: Mixed with LampshadeHanging. If you attempt to talk to a Dark-aligned demon (which cannot be recruited through normal negotiation) who has the "little kid" personality, they'll admit outright that the only reason they won't talk to you is because the game mechanics for Dark demons won't let them.
** The hero does this in a subtle way. If you talk to Jack Frost or Pyro Jack, you have the special answer "Mascots aren't scary". Jack Frost knows he is ATLUS mascot, so he throws himself into your party (you can't say no to him) to get even more famous. And Pyro Jack knows he isn't the mascot, that's why he will get angry and attack you!
* ButThouMust: Played straight and subverted in a hilarious way on a mission for Anthony. When he says that his luck with women is horrible and asks for your thoughts, you are given the following choices: "I don't know...", "If you ask me..." and "Maybe...". The subversion is that all three choices all lead up to him changing his mind and asking you not to tell him because his self esteem would be shot.

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* BreakingTheFourthWall: Mixed with LampshadeHanging. BreakingTheFourthWall:
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If you attempt to talk to a Dark-aligned demon (which cannot be recruited through normal negotiation) who has the "little kid" personality, they'll admit outright that the only reason they won't talk to you is because the game mechanics for Dark demons won't let them.
** The hero does this in a subtle way. If you talk to Jack Frost or Pyro Jack, you have the special answer "Mascots aren't scary". Jack Frost knows he is ATLUS mascot, so he throws himself into your party (you can't say no to him) to get even more famous. And Pyro Jack knows he isn't the mascot, that's why he and will will get angry and attack you!
you.
* ButThouMust: ButThouMust:
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Played straight and subverted in a hilarious way on a mission for Anthony. When he says that his luck with women is horrible and asks for your thoughts, you are given the following choices: "I don't know...", "If you ask me..." and "Maybe...". The subversion is that all three choices all lead up to him changing his mind and asking you not to tell him because his self esteem would be shot.



* ChekhovsGun: [[spoiler: You didn't seriously think the Gigantic would just stay gone, did you?]]

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* ChekhovsGun: [[spoiler: ChekhovsGun:
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You didn't seriously think the [[spoiler:the Gigantic would just stay gone, did you?]]



* ContinuityNod: As in recent ''Shin Megami Tensei'' games prior to this, the first mandatory demon you recruit (and who gives you the whole Negotiation Tutorial in the first place) is a friendly Pixie.
** The "recipe" for fusing Shiva should be old hat to [=MegaTen=] veterans, Barong + Rangda.

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* ContinuityNod: ContinuityNod:
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As in with recent ''Shin Megami Tensei'' games prior to this, the first mandatory demon you recruit (and who gives you the whole Negotiation Tutorial in the first place) is a friendly Pixie.
** The "recipe" for fusing Shiva should be old hat to [=MegaTen=] veterans, veterans: Barong + Rangda.



** Slime's Compendium entry refers to the demon and human realms as [[Literature/DigitalDevilStory Atzilith and Assiah]].

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** Slime's Compendium entry refers to the demon and human realms as [[Literature/DigitalDevilStory Atzilith Atziluth and Assiah]].



** The ultimate Neutral demon, Masakado, nulls expel and curse while resisting everything else except gun and almighty. This is a nod to the Masakados Magatama in ''Nocturne'', which nulled everything except almighty. The gun element did not exist in ''Nocturne'', which is why gun attacks work normally on Masakado.

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** The ultimate Neutral demon, Masakado, nulls expel and curse while resisting everything else except gun and almighty. This is a nod to the Masakados Magatama in ''Nocturne'', which nulled everything except almighty. Almighty. The gun Gun element did not exist in ''Nocturne'', which is why gun attacks work normally on Masakado.



* CrapsackWorld: Although not immediatly obvious, you eventually realize that this game's version of Earth has ''serious'' problems even without the Schwarzwelt bearing down on it.

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* CrapsackWorld: Although not immediatly immediately obvious, you eventually realize that this game's version of Earth has ''serious'' problems even without the Schwarzwelt bearing down on it.



* DarkWorld: What Schwarzwelt means in German![[note]]actually, it's ''Black'' World[[/note]]

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* DarkWorld: What The Schwarzwelt means in German![[note]]actually, it's ''Black'' World[[/note]]is this right down to the name[[note]]which translates from German to "black world"[[/note]].



* DegradedBoss: Orias. Normally, he should be around level 27. When you first encounter him, he's level 7.
* [[AliensSpeakingEnglish Demons Speaking English]]: Played with. Even with the Demon Summoning Program installed in the Demonica [=OS=], demon speech will sound as utter gibberish until the Demonica has analyzed the demon at least once, allowing it to [[TranslatorMicrobes translate the back-and-forth banter]] between the demon and the Protagonist.
** Played with even more with all demons getting several types of speech patterns. Yes, you may have to negotiate with a valley girl demon, a disgruntled southern gentleman demon, a street punk demon, or demons that can only speak in pidgin English.
** Even [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] by a lot of demons who will ask you why you can talk with them. They accept different answers every time though.
* DiegeticInterface: Part of the suit
* DifficultySpike: Just about every new level ramps it up from the previous one by a huge margin, but once you enter Sector Eridanus, the gloves officially come off. See ThatOneLevel and ThatOneBoss on the YMMV page.

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* DegradedBoss: Orias. Normally, he should be around level 27. When 27, but when you first encounter him, he's level 7.
* [[AliensSpeakingEnglish Demons Speaking English]]: Played with. Even with the Demon Summoning Program installed in the Demonica [=OS=], demon speech will sound as utter gibberish until the Demonica has analyzed the demon at least once, allowing it to [[TranslatorMicrobes translate the back-and-forth banter]] between the demon and the Protagonist.
** Played with even more with all demons getting several types of speech patterns. Yes, you may have to negotiate with a valley girl demon, a disgruntled southern gentleman demon, a street punk demon, or demons that can only speak in pidgin English.
** Even [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] by a lot of demons who will ask you why you can talk with them. They accept different answers every time though.
*
DiegeticInterface: Part The game's interface is actually part of the suit
* DifficultySpike: Just about every new level ramps it up from the previous one by a huge margin, but once you enter Sector Eridanus, the gloves officially come off. See ThatOneLevel and ThatOneBoss on the YMMV page.



* DiscOneNuke: The Frost Cannon has great power and can hit 3 elements and can be obtained from an easy EX mission early in the third sector. It can last you until very late game, even up to the [[spoiler:7th]] sector.

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* DiscOneNuke: DiscOneNuke:
**
The Frost Cannon has great power and can hit 3 elements and can be obtained from an easy EX mission early in the third sector. It can last you until very late game, even up to the [[spoiler:7th]] sector.



** Around Bootes you can also fuse Morax with a source to cover up his weakness, and the special fusion and source leave the possibilty of him having ''all four elements''.
** The Uber-Pixie you can get through a Password provided by {{Atlus}} themselves starts at Lv 1, but has a magic stat of 10 (normally, Pixies have a 3) and a luck stat of ''99'' (compared to the usual 5). On top of this, it has the spells Megidolaon and Mediarahan for heavy damage on every enemy and full HP Recovery for every ally respectively! Granted, you have to pay a very huge ammount of Macca to summon it from your Demon Compendium, but once you can afford it and level it up accordingly, hooooo boy... [[spoiler:The password itself is: Madoka Ueno]]
** If you shuffle your compendium around, you will see a large variety of skills pop up. Some of them are negligible. Then you get to Palibsag with Grand Tack. Proceed to destroy nearly every demon with it if you have someone with high enough strength against anything not strong or immune to gun. Once you get to level 55, you get the even more broken RIOT GUN from Kresnik.

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** Around Bootes you can also fuse Morax with a source to cover up his weakness, and the special fusion and source leave the possibilty possibility of him having ''all four elements''.
** The Uber-Pixie you can get through a Password provided by {{Atlus}} themselves starts at Lv 1, but has a magic stat of 10 (normally, Pixies have a 3) and a luck stat of ''99'' (compared to the usual 5). On top of this, it has the spells Megidolaon and Mediarahan for heavy damage on every enemy and full HP Recovery for every ally respectively! Granted, you have to pay a very huge ammount amount of Macca to summon it from your Demon Compendium, but once you can afford it and level it up accordingly, hooooo boy... [[spoiler:The password itself is: Madoka Ueno]]
** If you shuffle your compendium around, you will see a large variety of skills pop up. Some of them are negligible. Then you get to Palibsag Pabilsag with Grand Tack. Proceed to destroy nearly every demon with it if you have someone with high enough strength against anything not strong or immune to gun. Once you get to level 55, you get the even more broken RIOT GUN from Kresnik.



** IronicHell: and [[Franchise/{{Halo}} a monument to all your sins.]]
** AnotherDimension: A alternate land that exists alongside the Earth [[spoiler:where Mem Aleph]] resides when it isn't engulfing the Earth. [[spoiler:It takes the ideal energy of the Earth and sentient lifeforms that evolve into it to become a beautiful realm, but becomes a DeathWorld as the negative energies created by polluting the Earth come into it]].

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** IronicHell: and IronicHell: ...[[Franchise/{{Halo}} a monument to all your sins.]]
sins]]...
** AnotherDimension: A AnotherDimension: ...and an alternate land that exists alongside the Earth [[spoiler:where Mem Aleph]] Aleph resides when it isn't engulfing the Earth. [[spoiler:It It takes the ideal energy of the Earth and sentient lifeforms that evolve into it to become a beautiful realm, but becomes a DeathWorld as the negative energies created by polluting the Earth come into it]].



* EternalRecurrence: [[spoiler:This is not the first Schwarzwelt to wipe an advanced civilization off the face of the Earth... and unless something is done about its origin, it won't be the last. Or, worse, it ''will'' be the last, because it will have succeeded in its original task of ''forcibly kicking the Law "taint" out for all eternity''.]]. Naturally, the Law Path has its own ideas on [[spoiler:[[WorldOfSilence how to end the cycle]]]].

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* EternalRecurrence: EternalRecurrence:
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[[spoiler:This is not the first Schwarzwelt to wipe an advanced civilization off the face of the Earth... and unless something is done about its origin, it won't be the last. Or, worse, it ''will'' be the last, because it will have succeeded in its original task of ''forcibly kicking the Law "taint" out for all eternity''.]]. Naturally, the Law Path has its own ideas on [[spoiler:[[WorldOfSilence how to end the cycle]]]].



* {{Expy}}: Arthur (see ShoutOut below) to [[Film/TwoThousandOneASpaceOdyssey HAL 9000]]. Especially at the end of the Neutral path, [[spoiler:when he confesses fear before performing his HeroicSacrifice]]. By the same token, [[spoiler:the ascended Gore is Arthur's counterpart --an expy of David Bowman.]]

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* {{Expy}}: {{Expy}}:
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Arthur (see ShoutOut below) to [[Film/TwoThousandOneASpaceOdyssey HAL 9000]]. Especially at the end of the Neutral path, [[spoiler:when he confesses fear before performing his HeroicSacrifice]]. By the same token, [[spoiler:the ascended Gore is Arthur's counterpart --an expy of David Bowman.]]



* FinalExamBoss: Ouroboros in its second form will require a pretty much flawless defense to defeat, as it possesses insta-kill magic, an elemental attack, a heavy physical attack, and can inflict every single status ailment.

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* FinalExamBoss: Ouroboros While not quite the final boss, [[spoiler:Ouroboros]] in its second form will require a pretty much flawless defense to defeat, as it possesses insta-kill magic, an elemental attack, a heavy physical attack, and can inflict every single status ailment.



* FiveTokenBand: In the JP version, there's an Asian one, a Hispanic one, a White one, and a Black one. Instead of a disabled one, we have a robot.
* ForScience: Once they've gotten over their reservations and initial fear, [[GadgeteerGenius Irving and Chen]] are positively ''thrilled'' at devising new and exciting equipment with the Forma (Schwarzwelt-borne materials) you scavenge for them.

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* FiveTokenBand: In There's the JP main protagonist (Asian in the Japanese version, there's an Asian one, a Hispanic one, a White one, Caucasian in the NA version), Jiminez (Hispanic), Zelenin (Caucasian), and a Black one. Instead of a disabled one, we have a robot.
Gore (black).
* ForScience: ForScience:
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Once they've gotten over their reservations and initial fear, [[GadgeteerGenius Irving and Chen]] are positively ''thrilled'' at devising new and exciting equipment with the Forma (Schwarzwelt-borne materials) you scavenge for them.



* FusionDance: As per ''Shin Megami Tensei'' tradition, you can fuse demons with one another to create another one, which can inherit skills from its progenitors. However, since demons don't learn skills by leveling up (all they do is replace existing skills or drop their [[GreenRocks Demon Source]]), feel free to fuse fuse fuse with abandon.

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* FusionDance: FusionDance:
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As per ''Shin Megami Tensei'' tradition, you can fuse demons with one another to create another one, new ones, which can inherit skills from its their progenitors. However, since demons don't learn skills by leveling up in this game (all they do is replace existing skills or drop their [[GreenRocks Demon Source]]), you can feel free to fuse fuse fuse with abandon.to your heart's content.



* [[spoiler:FutureBadass]]: [[spoiler:''The Protagonist'']] in the conclusion of the [[spoiler:Madness of Yggdrasil]] [=EX=] Mission.

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* [[spoiler:FutureBadass]]: FutureBadass: [[spoiler:''The Protagonist'']] in the conclusion of the [[spoiler:Madness of Yggdrasil]] [=EX=] Mission.



* GameplayAndStorySegregation:
** [[spoiler: Averted in one instance with Jimenez and Bugaboo. After defeating Horkos, you search the remains of the Elve for parts. Jimenez manages to recover Bugaboo's forma/D Source, and uses it with the data registered in his Compendium to resurrect Bugaboo offscreen. He even mentions that because he's using the Compendium data, he has to teach Bugaboo English again.]]
** Played straight when [[spoiler:you fight Jack's Squad members]]. The game treats [[spoiler:Soldiers]] as separate demons for combat purposes, meaning that you can still talk to their demons. All of the demons [[spoiler:Jack's Squad]] uses are Dark, so you can't negotiate with them, but "friendly demon" reactions still occur...
** Averted again when enemies hit you in the middle of a cutscene. The battle HUD shows up and everyone takes damage. As in, ''their HitPoints decrease.'' Granted, it's not a big deal in terms of gameplay since you can just heal the damage and it isn't lethal, but it drives home the point that you're dealing with an entity you do NOT want to mess with.
** [[spoiler:When you fight Zelenin in the Neutral and Chaos routes, one of her attacks is the MindControl song that Mastema has [[WorldOfSilence such big plans for]]. It, naturally, [[StandardStatusEffects inflicts Charm]].]]

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* GameplayAndStorySegregation:
*GameplayAndStoryIntegration:
** [[spoiler: Averted in one instance with Jimenez and Bugaboo. After defeating Horkos, you search while searching the remains of the Elve for parts. Jimenez part after defeating Horkos, [[spoiler:Jimenez manages to recover Bugaboo's forma/D Source, and uses it with the data registered in his Compendium to resurrect Bugaboo offscreen. He even mentions that because he's using the Compendium data, he has to teach Bugaboo English again.]]
** Played straight when [[spoiler:you fight Jack's Squad members]]. The game treats [[spoiler:Soldiers]] as separate demons for combat purposes, meaning that you can still talk to their demons. All of the demons [[spoiler:Jack's Squad]] uses are Dark, so you can't negotiate with them, but "friendly demon" reactions still occur...
** Averted again when
When enemies hit you in the middle of a cutscene. The cutscene, the battle HUD shows up and everyone actually takes damage. As in, ''their HitPoints decrease.'' Granted, it's not a big deal in terms of gameplay since you can just heal the damage and it isn't lethal, but it drives home the point that you're dealing with an entity you do NOT ''not'' want to mess with.
** [[spoiler:When When you fight Zelenin [[spoiler:Zelenin]] in the Neutral and Chaos routes, one of her attacks is the [[spoiler:the MindControl song that Mastema has [[WorldOfSilence such big plans for]]. It, naturally, [[StandardStatusEffects inflicts Charm]].]]



** Averted with the battle with Asura. The HatePlague he's been inflicting on your squadmates? It takes the form of Asura Roga, an attack that inflicts [[StandardStatusEffects Rage]] upon random party members.
* GenderBender: [[spoiler:Asura/Asherah]]

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** Averted with In the battle with Asura. The Asura, the HatePlague he's been inflicting on your squadmates? It squadmates takes the form of Asura Roga, an attack that inflicts [[StandardStatusEffects Rage]] upon random party members.
* GenderBender: GameplayAndStorySegregation: While otherwise averted with the [[spoiler:Jack's Squad members]], the game treats them as separate from their demons for combat purposes, meaning that you can still talk to their demons. All of the demons they use are Dark, so you can't negotiate with them, but "friendly demon" reactions still occur...
* GenderBender:
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[[spoiler:Asura/Asherah]]



* GildedCage: The Law faction's endgame [[spoiler: is the effective conversion of ''the entire planet'' into one of these, a world of peace and happiness, but also no dissent or free will, period]].

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* GildedCage: The Law faction's endgame [[spoiler: is [[spoiler:is the effective conversion of ''the entire planet'' into one of these, a world of peace and happiness, but also no dissent or free will, period]].



* GodIsEvil: [[spoiler:YHVH Himself doesn't put in an appearance, but the Three Wise Men are presumably acting on His orders, and they aren't any nicer than he is in earlier installments. There are hints they're actually acting on their own initiative as YHVH has been broken into pieces and the only one remaining is too weak to do anything, but, aside from [[ShinMegamiTenseiII SMT2]], [[LawfulStupid angels]] don't ''usually'' have a history of that in SMT.]]

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* GodIsEvil: GodIsEvil:
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[[spoiler:YHVH Himself doesn't put in an appearance, but the Three Wise Men are presumably acting on His orders, and they aren't any nicer than he is in earlier installments. There are hints they're actually acting on their own initiative as YHVH has been broken into pieces and the only one remaining is too weak to do anything, but, aside from [[ShinMegamiTenseiII SMT2]], [[LawfulStupid angels]] don't ''usually'' have a history of that in SMT.]]



* GoldenEnding: Arguably, the Neutral ending is the most sane and optimistic of all three endings, with [[spoiler:the Schwarzwelt being obliterated and Earth returning to normal.]] And this is on top of Neutral being the PathOfMostResistance (and having a [[ThatOneBoss bullshit]] FinalBoss), as per SMT tradition. See NightmareFuel in the YMMV tab to see how the Law and Chaos endings fare in comparison.
* GratuitousGerman: The Schwarz (black) welt (world).
** One demon conversation has the demon translate it as its probable intended meaning, "Black Horizon," which the Schwartzwelt certainly is; a zone of blackness enveloping the Earth.

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* GoldenEnding: Arguably, the The Neutral ending is the most sane and optimistic of all three endings, with [[spoiler:the Schwarzwelt being obliterated and Earth returning to normal.]] And this is on top of Neutral being the PathOfMostResistance (and having a [[ThatOneBoss bullshit]] FinalBoss), as per SMT tradition. See NightmareFuel in the YMMV tab to see how the Law and Chaos endings fare in comparison.
* GratuitousGerman: GratuitousGerman:
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The Schwarz (black) welt (world).
** *** One demon conversation has the demon translate it as its probable intended meaning, "Black Horizon," which the Schwartzwelt certainly is; a zone of blackness enveloping the Earth.



** [[http://smtsj.wikidot.com/demonplaza/ They are, however, very cool.]] You can summon Demonicas of each alignment for an [[HumanityIsSuperior all-human]] ([[AmbiguouslyHuman well, sorta]]) party! Or use special passwords to even use the co-protagonists in battle!
*** There's even a Jack Frost Demonica.

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** [[http://smtsj.wikidot.com/demonplaza/ They are, however, very cool.]] You can even summon Demonicas of each alignment for an [[HumanityIsSuperior all-human]] ([[AmbiguouslyHuman well, sorta]]) party! Or use special passwords to even use the co-protagonists in battle!
*** There's even Demonee-Ho, a Jack Frost wearing a Demonica.



* HellGate: [[spoiler: Yeah, what did you ''think'' the Schwarzwelt was really gonna be, given what franchise this is?]]
** [[spoiler: Within ''that'' hellgate lies Orcus who is redesigned as this in reference to his roots as an emissary to Hell. He still uses the older look though, as Horkos, Carina's end boss]]

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* HellGate: [[spoiler: Yeah, [[spoiler:Yeah, what did you ''think'' the Schwarzwelt was really gonna be, given what franchise this is?]]
** [[spoiler: Within [[spoiler:Within ''that'' hellgate hell gate lies Orcus Orcus, who is redesigned as this in reference to his roots as an emissary to Hell. He still uses the older look though, as Horkos, Carina's end boss]]



* HornyDevils: A side-quest sequence has a crew member who's got a severe crush on one female demon after another; granted, some of the more humanoid ones ''are'' very pretty, and the dialogue with them can sometimes get very flirty.

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* HornyDevils: HornyDevils:
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A side-quest sequence has a crew member who's got a severe crush on one female demon after another; granted, some of the more humanoid ones ''are'' very pretty, and the dialogue with them can sometimes get very flirty.



* HotSkittyOnWailordAction: The Myrmecolion is "the result of a lion and ant mating". Wrap your mind around that one.

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* HotSkittyOnWailordAction: The demon Myrmecolion is "the result of a lion and ant mating". Wrap your mind around that one.



* IncrediblyLamePun: There's a [[MascotMook Jack Frost]] in a Demonica suit as a special-password demon. Its name? ''Demonee-Ho''.

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* IncrediblyLamePun: IncrediblyLamePun:
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There's a [[MascotMook Jack Frost]] in a Demonica suit as a special-password demon. Its name? ''Demonee-Ho''.



* LeaningOnTheFourthWall: If you say something about portable videogames to a demon, one might respond with "I'd make one that [[NintendoDS folds open and has two screens!]]"

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* LeaningOnTheFourthWall: LeaningOnTheFourthWall:
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If you say something about portable videogames to a demon, one might respond with "I'd make one that [[NintendoDS folds open and has two screens!]]"



* MadScientist: Mitra, whose experiments [[spoiler: on several humans result in a lobotomy, a draining of blood, loss of air, and an EarlyBirdCameo of the Delphinus Parasite, all of which left the affected crewmemebers dead]]
** And [[spoiler:Captain Jack]], who is what Mitra would be like [[spoiler:if he was human. And, you know, even more irredeemable]].

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* MadScientist: MadScientist:
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Mitra, whose experiments [[spoiler: on several humans result in a lobotomy, a draining of blood, loss of air, and an EarlyBirdCameo of the Delphinus Parasite, all of which left the affected crewmemebers crew members dead]]
** And [[spoiler:Captain Jack]], Jack]] as well, who is what Mitra would be like [[spoiler:if he was human. And, you know, [[MoralEventHorizon even more irredeemable]].less redeemable]]]].



** You also get some neat Sub Apps on an NG+: Red Carpet ([[EncounterRepellant removes]] RandomEncounters COMPLETELY), 7-Card Hand (lets you wield any 6 other Sub Apps regardless of their sizes), and New [=MegaTen=] (okay [[JokeItem not]] [[CosmeticAward really]], it just [[AWinnerIsYou congratulates you for buying the game]] or crashes without doing anything). You'll also be able to pick up some sweet accesories, such as a ring that repels physical and gun attacks, and a ring that repels ''all four standard magic attack elements.''

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** You also get some neat Sub Apps on an NG+: Red Carpet ([[EncounterRepellant removes]] RandomEncounters COMPLETELY), 7-Card Hand (lets you wield any 6 other Sub Apps regardless of their sizes), and New [=MegaTen=] (okay [[JokeItem not]] [[CosmeticAward really]], it just [[AWinnerIsYou congratulates you for buying the game]] or crashes without doing anything). You'll also be able to pick up some sweet accesories, accessories, such as a ring that repels physical and gun attacks, and a ring that repels ''all four standard magic attack elements.''



* NoHeroDiscount: Justified. There is a store on the exploration ship, but it's really more like a fabrication lab; they're using the demon money "macca" as energy and the raw materials you find to craft things. So there's no "buy" or "sell" option, just "manufacture" and "disassemble."

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* NoHeroDiscount: Justified. There is a store on the exploration ship, but it's really more like a fabrication lab; they're using the demon money "macca" "Macca" as energy and the raw materials you find to craft things. So there's no "buy" or "sell" option, just "manufacture" and "disassemble."



* NothingCanStopUsNow: Some of the strike force are this way after you C4 a boulder blocking the way to a wrecked ship, as though ''this'' is evidence that the Schwarzwelt's denizens can't stand up to them. Cue CurbStompBattle from an Orias legionary. A ''much weaker than usual'' Orias legionary (they usually start out at Lv.27. This one's at Lv.7).

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* NothingCanStopUsNow: NothingCanStopUsNow:
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Some of the strike force are this way after you C4 a boulder blocking the way to a wrecked ship, as though ''this'' is evidence that the Schwarzwelt's denizens can't stand up to them. Cue CurbStompBattle from an Orias legionary. A ''much weaker than usual'' Orias legionary (they usually start out at Lv.27. This one's at Lv.7).



* OnlyInItForTheMoney: Why Jimenez went from "warrant officer" to "Schwarzwelt attack participant". Given the rest of his personality pre-Bugaboo, this isn't too surprising.
** Also [[spoiler: Captain Jack and his men, who are so blatant about it that they actually make the ''demons'' look like nice people.]]
*** A note on the demons though, not all of them are complete monsters. Most of the guys you can recruit are just there and while you have the genuinely disgusting folks like Basilisk and Seth who would love nothing else than to tear you apart, you also have folks like Heimdall who is good, just not on your team.

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* OnlyInItForTheMoney: OnlyInItForTheMoney:
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Why Jimenez went from "warrant officer" to "Schwarzwelt attack participant". Given the rest of his personality pre-Bugaboo, this isn't too surprising.
** Also [[spoiler: Captain Jack and his men, men]], who are so blatant about it that they actually make the ''demons'' look like nice people.]]
*** A note on the demons though, not all of them are complete monsters. Most of the guys you can recruit are just there and while you have the genuinely disgusting folks like Basilisk and Seth who would love nothing else than to tear you apart, you also have folks like Heimdall who is good, just not on your team.



* {{Ouroboros}}: The rather hard boss of Sector E. [[AnthropomorphicPersonification Apparently it represents]] [[GaiasVengeance the will of the planet or something]]. Ouroboros also classically represents infinity itself, as several demons point out to you, so did you ''expect'' an easy fight?

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* {{Ouroboros}}: The rather hard boss of Sector E. E, [[AnthropomorphicPersonification Apparently it represents]] representing]] [[GaiasVengeance the will of the planet or something]]. planet]]. Ouroboros also classically represents infinity itself, as several demons point out to you, so did you ''expect'' an easy fight?you.



* PlayingWithSyringes: In an exceptionally creepy part of the early game, you can find reports on demon experiments done to your crewmates. All of them died [[{{Squick}} quite terribly,]] but the demons don't mind. They're just [[StepfordSmiler happy to have removed humans of their ability to suffer.]] Then, when you confront Mitra, you find out why Fomorian was so gleeful about his experiments. [[spoiler: As far as Mitra and his goons are concerned, everything they were removing--blood, organic thought (q.v. brain), air, sane diet, protection from the Schwarzwelt--was pointless. Were they trying to strip humans down to their "proper" essence? One wonders if the demons have ''any'' respect for physical matter. Ouroboros's reference to humans as "prisoners of matter" and "sinful clumps of matter" doesn't help the situation.]]

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* PlayingWithSyringes: PlayingWithSyringes:
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In an exceptionally creepy part of the early game, you can find reports on demon experiments done to your crewmates. All of them died [[{{Squick}} quite terribly,]] but the demons don't mind. They're just [[StepfordSmiler happy to have removed humans of their ability to suffer.]] Then, when you confront Mitra, you find out why Fomorian was so gleeful about his experiments. [[spoiler: As far as Mitra and his goons are concerned, everything they were removing--blood, organic thought (q.v. brain), air, sane diet, protection from the Schwarzwelt--was pointless. Were they trying to strip humans down to their "proper" essence? One wonders if the demons have ''any'' respect for physical matter. Ouroboros's reference to humans as "prisoners of matter" and "sinful clumps of matter" doesn't help the situation.]]



* PreorderBonus: Preorder it and get the game along with the soundtrack CD, a cardboard case and a mini-poster.

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* PreorderBonus: Preorder Preordering it and get the game along with fetched the soundtrack CD, a cardboard case and a mini-poster.



** [[spoiler:As a minor note, though, it's possible that Jack's men are so strong because their technology is simply that much better than the tech that the men on the first investigation team were sent in with. They may be just as paper-bag-like outside of it as the other humans are, as evidenced by Demon!Jimenez tearing a hole straight through Jack's chest after you defeat him.]]



* [[spoiler: RageAgainstTheHeavens: As "Metatron" (actually a shard of God) reveals after you defeat Alilat, this already happened. Humans and God abandoned each other, and the mothers (who had been suppressed by God) decided to take their revenge. Hence why the piece of God who said this wants to be "whole" again (cue Demiurge EX Mission, where you fight another piece of God...)]]

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* [[spoiler: RageAgainstTheHeavens: As [[spoiler:As "Metatron" (actually a shard of God) reveals after you defeat Alilat, this already happened. Humans and God abandoned each other, and the mothers (who had been suppressed by God) decided to take their revenge. Hence why the piece of God who said this wants to be "whole" again (cue Demiurge EX Mission, where you fight another piece of God...)]]



* RuleOfSymbolism: [[spoiler: ''Ma''ia Ouroboros, Tia''ma''t, and ''Ma''ya all share the letters MA, which is an Indo-European root for mother. Mem Aleph refers to the two Phoenician letters that would eventually become MA.]]
** MA is also the name of the Mem Aleph's most devastating attack.

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* RuleOfSymbolism: RuleOfSymbolism:
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[[spoiler: ''Ma''ia Ouroboros, Tia''ma''t, and ''Ma''ya all all]] share the letters MA, which is an Indo-European root for mother. Mem [[spoiler:Mem Aleph refers to the two Phoenician letters that would eventually become MA.]]
** MA is also the name of the Mem [[spoiler:Mem Aleph's most devastating attack.attack]].



* ThemeNaming: The various Schwarzwelt sectors are code-named from A to H as the Red Sprite navigates them. In turn, each initial denotes [[StellarName the name of a constellation]], like '''A'''ntlia, '''B'''oötes, '''C'''arina, '''D'''elphinus, and so on. And if that wasn't enough, [[spoiler: the sectors that occur after you locate the Vanishing Point ('''F'''ornax, '''G'''rus, and '''H'''orologium) are all the names of constellations in the ''southern'' hemisphere, while the first four sectors' titular constellations are located in the ''northern'' hemisphere!]]

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* ThemeNaming: ThemeNaming:
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The various Schwarzwelt sectors are code-named from A to H as the Red Sprite navigates them. In turn, each initial denotes [[StellarName the name of a constellation]], like '''A'''ntlia, '''B'''oötes, '''C'''arina, '''D'''elphinus, and so on. And if that wasn't enough, [[spoiler: the sectors that occur after you locate the Vanishing Point ('''F'''ornax, '''G'''rus, and '''H'''orologium) are all the names of constellations in the ''southern'' hemisphere, while the first four sectors' titular constellations are located in the ''northern'' hemisphere!]]



** The ''Mother Goddesses'' which rule Sectors E, F, G, and H all have the syllable "ma" in their names: ''Ma''ia Ouroboros, Tia''ma''t, ''Ma''ya, and ''M''em ''A''leph. The proto-Indoeuropean root ''ma'' means ''breast'' and is the origin of the word "mother" in modern languages. Also, it isn't just Mem Aleph's initials (and the name of her MA attack) but ''Mem'', the Phoenician for ''water''[[note]]the origin of life[[/note]], is itself also derived from proto-Semitic ''ma''. At one point, even A''ma''terasu, the Japanese Sun goddess and often considered a Mother Goddess as well, [[LampshadeHanging wonders why she felt drawn to the Schwarzwelt.]] She even first appears in an alternate guise called Kin''ma''mon.

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** The [[spoiler:The ''Mother Goddesses'' which rule Sectors E, F, G, and H H]] all have the syllable "ma" in their names: ''Ma''ia [[spoiler:''Ma''ia Ouroboros, Tia''ma''t, ''Ma''ya, and ''M''em ''A''leph.''A''leph]]. The proto-Indoeuropean root ''ma'' means ''breast'' and is the origin of the word "mother" in modern languages. Also, it isn't just Mem [[spoiler:Mem Aleph's initials (and the name of her MA attack) but ''Mem'', the Phoenician for ''water''[[note]]the origin of life[[/note]], is itself also derived from proto-Semitic ''ma''. At one point, even A''ma''terasu, the Japanese Sun goddess and often considered a Mother Goddess as well, [[LampshadeHanging wonders why she felt drawn to the Schwarzwelt.]] She Schwarzwelt,]] even first appears appearing in an alternate guise called Kin''ma''mon.Kin''ma''mon]].



* TheWorldIsNotReady: In the Neutral Ending, you wind up having to erase most of the data on demons and Forma that you found in the Schwartzwelt because, as amazing as the discoveries were, they would just as easily issue forth a horrible demon-based arms race in the world. Considering the plot of ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'', where people able to summon demons start to turn on each other like crazy after only a week, you may see the point of this.

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* TheWorldIsNotReady: In the Neutral Ending, you [[spoiler:you wind up having to erase most of the data on demons and Forma that you found in the Schwartzwelt because, as amazing as the discoveries were, they would just as easily issue forth a horrible demon-based arms race in the world. Considering the plot of ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'', where people able to summon demons start to turn on each other like crazy after only a week, you may see the point of this.]]



* [[spoiler: UnexplainedRecovery: About midway through the operation, [[BlackDudeDiesFirst Gore]] is actually ''restored'', and will be your main ally in the Neutral scenario. Not that he'll live past that, but...]]

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* [[spoiler: UnexplainedRecovery: About [[spoiler:About midway through the operation, [[BlackDudeDiesFirst Gore]] is actually ''restored'', and will be your main ally in the Neutral scenario. Not that he'll live past that, but...]]



** Ouroboros'



* WeirdMoon: As another [=MegaTen=] tradition, during a Full Moon, demons are too deranged to negotiate with you. However, this time you can install a Sub Application in the Demonica that allows successful negotiations during Full Moons, even with otherwise unrecruitable Dark demons. Unfortunately, they're still drunk on [[IncrediblyLamePun moonshine]], so whether or not they like what you have to say is pretty much a coin flip.
** Also, the Moon [[InUniverseGameClock changes phases pretty darn fast]] while you're in the Schwarzwelt.

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* WeirdMoon: As another [=MegaTen=] tradition, during a Full Moon, demons are too deranged to negotiate with you. However, this time you can install a Sub Application in the Demonica that allows successful negotiations during Full Moons, even with otherwise unrecruitable Dark demons. Unfortunately, they're still drunk on [[IncrediblyLamePun moonshine]], so whether or not they like what you have to say is pretty much a coin flip.
** Also, the Moon
flip. The moon also [[InUniverseGameClock changes phases pretty darn fast]] while you're in the Schwarzwelt.



* YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm: ''All'' demons show up as static in the Demonica's display until you've encountered them, or fused them, at least once, and until then you can't even understand their speech. Taken even further with [[spoiler:Mem Aleph]], an entity [[ReadingsAreOffTheScale so unbelievably powerful that you can't even try to analyze it]] until [[spoiler:a traveler of the Schwarzwelt grants you with the "brilliance" to see it]].
** Also spoken in so many words by [[spoiler:Yggdrasill]] the first time it hits you with it's time-bending powers.
-->Something nearly imperceptible happened to HelloInsertNameHere!

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* YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm: YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm:
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''All'' demons show up as static in the Demonica's display until you've encountered them, or fused them, at least once, and until then you can't even understand their speech. Taken even further with [[spoiler:Mem Aleph]], an entity [[ReadingsAreOffTheScale so unbelievably powerful that you can't even try to analyze it]] until [[spoiler:a traveler of the Schwarzwelt grants you with the "brilliance" to see it]].
** Also spoken in so many words by [[spoiler:Yggdrasill]] the first time it hits you with it's its time-bending powers.
-->Something nearly imperceptible happened to HelloInsertNameHere![[HelloInsertNameHere (main character)]]!
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* MessyPig: Horkos and his cronies. Which he will sometimes [[ImAHumanitarian eat.]] This restores his health and [[PuzzleBoss confers any status ailments his food is currently suffering.]]


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* {{Hypocrite}}: Mastema claims he's acting in humanity's collective best interests and wants to create a world free of human conflict and selfishness. [[spoiler: If you're playing Chaos, however, you eventually find out that he's motivated purely by egomania and self-interest, as he feels if he succeeds in his mission YHVH will give him a promotion, and he knowingly and gleefully ruins an innocent woman's life to get there]].


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* MessyPig: Horkos and his cronies. Which he will sometimes [[ImAHumanitarian eat.]] This restores his health and [[PuzzleBoss confers any status ailments his food is currently suffering.]]
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* AssholeVictim: [[spoiler: The murder of Captain Jack by Jimenez and the brainwashing of Lieutenant Ryan by Zelenin are clearly intended to show how far gone the two are after their transformations. Given all Jack's Squad had done throughout the game, however, the player is unlikely to do anything but cheer]].
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* StupidityInducingAttack: [[spoiler:Zelenin's Song, in addition to its more overt brainwashing vibes.]]
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* PocketDimension: The ship of Jack's Squad, the ''Lightning'', is able to create one of these to serve as the squad's base of operations, and unlike the rest of the Schwarzwelt, the atmosphere in it is perfectly breathable by humans.
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* BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous: While Law and Chaos have traditionally been represented by extremist factions, it's perhaps at its worst in this game. The forces of Law doesn't just want an iron-fist theocracy, they want to vaporize any and all thought that isn't unquestioning worship of God, by way of [[spoiler:Zelenin's MindRape song]]. The forces of Chaos don't want just a world of freedom and personal choice, they want to reduce humanity to its primal instincts, primarily through the use of the [[HatePlague Delphinus parasite]]. As a result, the Neutral path feels more like a GoldenEnding more than anything else, with the message being "screw demons and angels, [[HumansAreFlawed humanity is capable of fixing its own problems]]."

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* BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous: While Law and Chaos have traditionally been represented by extremist factions, it's perhaps at its worst in this game. The forces of Law doesn't don't just want an iron-fist theocracy, theocracy; they want to vaporize any and all thought that isn't unquestioning worship of God, by way of [[spoiler:Zelenin's MindRape song]]. The forces of Chaos don't want just a world of freedom and personal choice, choice; they want to reduce humanity to its primal instincts, primarily through the use of the [[HatePlague Delphinus parasite]]. As a result, the Neutral path feels more like a GoldenEnding more than anything else, with the message being "screw demons and angels, [[HumansAreFlawed humanity is capable of fixing its own problems]]."
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