History VideoGame / ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne

7th Nov '16 10:29:41 AM dlchen145
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[[caption-width-right:350:"[[AfterTheEnd Death's vastness holds no peace.]] [[HellOnEarth I come at the end of the long road.]] [[HalfHumanHybrid Neither human, nor devil...]] [[{{Badass}} all bends to my will.]]"]]

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[[caption-width-right:350:"[[AfterTheEnd Death's vastness holds no peace.]] [[HellOnEarth I come at the end of the long road.]] [[HalfHumanHybrid Neither human, nor devil...]] [[{{Badass}} all bends to my will.]]"]]
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* BadAss: Although many qualify, the Demi-fiend takes the cake. ''Especially'' if you beat the Amala Labyrinth. To elaborate, this quest requires him to beat the crap out of the incarnations of Death (all ten of them, including certified badasses such as [[Franchise/DevilMayCry Dante]] or [[RaidouKuzunohaVsTheSoullessArmy Raidou Kuzunoha]] [[RaidouKuzunohaVsKingAbaddon the XIVth]] in the Chronicle Edition), go (literally) into the depths of hell itself through one of the largest, most grueling dungeons known to players, beat both [[spoiler:Lucifer]]'s [[TheDragon Dragon]] Beelzebub and God's Metatron, be appointed the leader of hell's army in the final battle against God after proving his worth and last but not least, he punches out [[spoiler:Kagutsuchi]] into oblivion to boot.
** By [=MegaTen=] standards, the Demi-fiend is among the most powerful entities to exist. It practically justifies [[spoiler:his [[PreviousPlayerCharacterCameo cameo]] as being an [[ThatOneBoss excruciatingly difficult]] BonusBoss]] in Digital Devil Saga and an event boss in IMAGINE.



** And when he DOES speak (or at least leave a written message) in VideoGame/DigitalDevilSaga after you beat him ([[HarderThanHard good luck with that, by the way]]), what does he say? One of the most BadAss lines ever:

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** And when he DOES speak (or at least leave a written message) in VideoGame/DigitalDevilSaga after you beat him ([[HarderThanHard good luck with that, by the way]]), what does he say? One of the most BadAss badass lines ever:
20th Oct '16 4:59:04 AM matteste
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* BossRemix: The battle theme of Metatron is a remix of the series classical Law theme.
28th Sep '16 8:35:41 AM OmegaRadiance
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* GodsNeedPrayerBadly: According to her backstory, this is what brought [[spoiler:Aradia]] into the Vortex World. [[spoiler: More accurately, Aradia was created by the prayers of a coven of witches, and genuinely wanted to bring them salvation. Due to the mechanics of the trope in the ''ShinMegamiTensei'' [[TheVerse universe]], however, she was far too weak to do that and instead wound up as an empty voice in a dying Universe where the Conception had failed to start; small gods in her situation are called "false gods" by the Lady in Black. The Lady also notes that false gods are technically forbidden, and what they do to stave off deletion - invade worlds during ''their'' Conceptions and entice others into including them into the new world so they will become "real" in that new reality. Aradia herself is noted to be the False Goddess of Freedom and the Goddess of Falsehood.]]
** [[spoiler: This doesn't necessarily make Aradia evil though. She would decidedly be a neutral, or perhaps even good, force at work, were it not for her manipulation of Yuko. Aradia just wants to be involved in the creation of the new world because it will allow her to reclaim the deity status she had before her original world failed to complete its conception properly. There aren't any downsides to this at all other than the fact that if she doesn't play a big enough part in this conception she'll die off permanently.]]

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* GodsNeedPrayerBadly: According to her backstory, this is what brought [[spoiler:Aradia]] into the Vortex World. [[spoiler: More accurately, Aradia was created by the prayers of a coven of witches, and genuinely wanted to bring them salvation. Due to the mechanics nature of the trope in the ''ShinMegamiTensei'' [[TheVerse universe]], however, how she came to be she was far too weak to do that and instead wound up as an empty voice in a dying Universe who with the rest of the false gods like her gathered to an eternal world of dark where the Conception had failed to start; small gods in her situation are called "false gods" by the Lady in Black. start. The Lady also notes that false gods are technically forbidden, and what they do is try to stave off deletion become a true god - invade worlds during ''their'' Conceptions and entice others into including them into the new world so they will become "real" in that new reality. Aradia herself is noted to be the False Goddess of Forsaken Freedom and the Goddess of Falsehood.Falsehood who can only give hope.]]
** [[spoiler: This doesn't necessarily make Aradia evil though. She would could decidedly be a neutral, or perhaps even good, force at work, were it not for her manipulation of Yuko. Aradia just wants to be involved in the creation of the new world because it will allow her to reclaim the become a true deity status she had before her original world failed to complete its conception properly. There aren't any downsides to this at all other and be more than the fact that if she doesn't play a big enough part in this conception she'll die off permanently.falsehood.]]
27th Sep '16 10:29:34 PM Materioptikon
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** [[spoiler: This doesn't necessarily make Aradia evil though. She is decidely a neutral, or perhaps even good, force at work. Aradia just wants to be involved in the creation of the new world because it will allow her to reclaim the deity status she had before her original world failed to complete its conception properly. There aren't any downsides to this at all other than the fact that if she doesn't play a big enough part in this conception she'll die off permanently.]]

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** [[spoiler: This doesn't necessarily make Aradia evil though. She is decidely would decidedly be a neutral, or perhaps even good, force at work.work, were it not for her manipulation of Yuko. Aradia just wants to be involved in the creation of the new world because it will allow her to reclaim the deity status she had before her original world failed to complete its conception properly. There aren't any downsides to this at all other than the fact that if she doesn't play a big enough part in this conception she'll die off permanently.]]
16th Sep '16 4:32:03 PM Valen
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* DemonOfHumanOrigin: Subverted with the Demi-Fiend. Once the world ends, you're not 100% human anymore, but you're not exactly a demon either. [[spoiler:Find the old man at the bottom of the Labyrinth, and you can play this trope straight and willingly give up the rest of your humanity.]]


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* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: Kagutsuchi gives one to you if you don't support a Reason. His speech during the True Demon Ending is particularly hateful.
--->'''Kagutsuchi:''' [[DemonOfHumanOrigin By casting aside your humanity,]] you became the living incarnation of bane itself.
10th Sep '16 3:36:41 AM Cryocene
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* DePower: Subverted in the Freedom ending. [[spoiler: Judging from Lucifer's words, the main character is still very much powerful despite losing his tattoos. He says to stay strong for the upcoming day where he'll have to fight again.]]
* TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything: If you go to the Third Kalpa chamber and talk to Black Frost with a full roster, he will remain waiting until you come back with an open spot for him. If you ''already'' have a Black Frost, though, he will get annoyed and leave. Something similar will happen if you try to recruit Samael in the Shijima path.
** For an amusing moment, [[spoiler: if you bring your own Black Frost in a NewGamePlus at the Third Kalpa, the original Black Frost will be surprised and will leave the Kalpa out of frustration, as you can see [[http://lparchive.org/Shin-Megami-Tensei-Nocturne/Update%2055/ here]].]]

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* DePower: Subverted in the Freedom ending. [[spoiler: Judging [[spoiler:Judging from Lucifer's words, the main character is still very much powerful despite losing his tattoos. He says to stay strong for the upcoming day where he'll have to fight again.]]
* TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything: If you go to the Third Kalpa chamber and talk to Black Frost with a full roster, he will remain waiting until you come back with an open spot for him. If you ''already'' have a Black Frost, though, he will get annoyed and leave. Something similar will happen if you try to recruit Samael in the Shijima path.
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For an amusing moment, [[spoiler: if you bring your own Black Frost in a NewGamePlus at the Third Kalpa, the original Black Frost will be surprised and will leave the Kalpa out of frustration, as you can see [[http://lparchive.org/Shin-Megami-Tensei-Nocturne/Update%2055/ here]].]] Something similar will happen if you try to recruit Samael in the Shijima path.
7th Sep '16 7:30:38 AM Valen
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* CrapsackWorld: Par for the course with MegaTen, but Nocturne makes a point to remind you constantly that everyone is unhappy and will suffer a terrible and meaningless death. The entire world is vaporized and the remnants become a demon-filled wasteland with only 4 humans still alive, yourself not included. All attempts to make something resembling a happy or peaceful life are immediately crushed, and slave labor is in use everywhere. The worst part? This is going to happen to the universe over and over, forever and ever until all free will is eradicated. The same thing is going to happen to the infinite universes bordering yours. [[spoiler: And the only way to break this cycle is to MercyKill the multiverse and attempt to fight God himself.]] Have fun!

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* CrapsackWorld: Par for the course with MegaTen, Megami Tensei, but Nocturne makes a point to remind you constantly that everyone is unhappy and will suffer a terrible and meaningless death. The entire world is vaporized and the remnants become a demon-filled wasteland with only 4 humans still alive, yourself not included. All attempts to make something resembling a happy or peaceful life are immediately crushed, and slave labor is in use everywhere. The worst part? This is going to happen to the universe over and over, forever and ever until all free will is eradicated. The same thing is going to happen to the infinite universes bordering yours. [[spoiler: And the only way to break this cycle is to MercyKill the multiverse and attempt to fight God himself.]] Have fun!
7th Sep '16 7:29:32 AM Valen
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* CrapsackWorld: Par for the course with MegaTen, but Nocturne makes a point to remind you constantly that everyone is unhappy and will suffer a terrible and meaningless death. The entire world is vaporized and the remnants become a demon-filled wasteland with only 4 humans still alive, yourself not included. All attempts to make something resembling a happy or peaceful life are immediately crushed, and slave labor is in use everywhere. The worst part? This is going to happen to the universe over and over, forever and ever until all free will is eradicated. The same thing is going to happen to the infinite universes bordering yours. [[spoiler: And the only way to break this cycle is to MercyKill the multiverse and attempt to fight God himself.]] Have fun!
6th Sep '16 7:53:58 AM Valen
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Battles are conducted with the Press Turn system, where at the start of each round you receive a number of actions equal to the number of characters in your battle party. A normal action consumes one Press Icon, but inflicting a critical hit or attacking the enemy's weakness only consumes half a Press Icon. Thus, by attacking the enemy's weaknesses you maximize the number of turns you get in one round. Unfortunately, attacking an enemy with an element that it nullifies- or missing entirely- consumes two Press Icons, and if the enemy repels or absorbs the attack you lose all your Press Icons. This also applies in reverse; the enemy can attack your weak points to win additional actions for itself and loses actions if you defend yourself correctly. This battle system would go on to be used in ''VideoGame/DigitalDevilSaga'' and in a scaled-down form- the "One More" system- in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}''.

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Battles are conducted with the Press Turn system, where at the start of each round you receive a number of actions equal to the number of characters in your battle party. A normal action act/ion consumes one Press Icon, but inflicting a critical hit or attacking the enemy's weakness only consumes half a Press Icon. Thus, by attacking the enemy's weaknesses you maximize the number of turns you get in one round. Unfortunately, attacking an enemy with an element that it nullifies- or missing entirely- consumes two Press Icons, and if the enemy repels or absorbs the attack you lose all your Press Icons. This also applies in reverse; the enemy can attack your weak points to win additional actions for itself and loses actions if you defend yourself correctly. This battle system would go on to be used in ''VideoGame/DigitalDevilSaga'' and in a scaled-down form- the "One More" system- in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}''.



* BishonenLine: Despite becoming a half-demon abomination, all that changes is that you have glowing tattoos all over your body and there's a horn growing out of your neck. Subverted in that, despite looking almost human, some part of you has changed enough for other characters to instantly recognize you as a demon.



* DarkIsNotEvil

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* DarkIsNotEvilDarkIsNotEvil: Depending on how justified you think [[spoiler: Lucifer]] is.
28th Aug '16 10:06:39 PM infernape612
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* TraumaInn - The Fount of Healing.
* TrialByCombat - The Mantra Army Court. Punch out the judges and gain your freedom. Unfortunately, last one is ''Thor''.

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* TraumaInn - TraumaInn: The Fount of Healing.
* TrialByCombat - TrialByCombat: The Mantra Army Court. Punch out the judges and gain your freedom. Unfortunately, last one is ''Thor''.
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