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19th Apr '16 12:18:54 AM erforce
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* {{Expy}}: With his [[http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c393/amadeus_of_dk/saga4.jpg leather jacket, fedora, and whip]], the protagonist's heroic, treasure-hunting father takes more than a couple of cues from IndianaJones.

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* {{Expy}}: With his [[http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c393/amadeus_of_dk/saga4.jpg leather jacket, fedora, and whip]], the protagonist's heroic, treasure-hunting father takes more than a couple of cues from IndianaJones.Franchise/IndianaJones.



* ShoutOut: The entire Edo world is basically a shout out to Japanese detective and samurai movies.
** The main character has to keep telling people that he isn't really interested in collecting the Relics, [[IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade but is looking for his father]].

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* ShoutOut: ShoutOut:
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The entire Edo world is basically a shout out to Japanese detective and samurai movies.
** The main character has to keep telling people that he isn't really interested in collecting the Relics, [[IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade [[Film/IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade but is looking for his father]].



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25th Mar '16 6:11:23 PM superkeijikun
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* MechanicallyUnusualClass: The stats of robot characters are completely dependent on their equipment. The more and better equipment, the stronger they become. Also, the uses of their equipment is cut in half upon being equipped, but they can automatically restore uses to half of their maximum value when they rest at an inn.
3rd Mar '16 10:05:44 PM Olinser
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**Frustratingly is most definitely the wrong word. This was EXPLOITABLE. Saving the game and restarting the system reset the RNG - so if the first encounter on turning on the system was a battle that gave you a stat bonus (or item drop), saving and then restarting the system was GUARANTEED to trigger the same battle with the same reward. Finding a battle with a HP, Strength, or Agility increase and exploiting it in the first couple worlds would give you a character with 999 HP, 99 Strength, 99 Agility, creating both a DiscOneNuke and GameBreaker.


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*** Since the Hyper Cannon had 3 charges, it could be given to a robot, resulting in a permanent Hyper with 1 charge that would refill on resting. Only the fact that most story bosses were immune to it kept this from becoming a GameBreaker.
2nd Mar '16 8:26:49 AM spirasen
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[[caption-width-right:350: Humans,[[strike:mutant]] espers, robots and monsters? Awesome.]]

Full Name: ''[=SaGa 2: Hihou Densetsu=]'' ("Treasure Legend"). The second game in the ''VideoGame/{{SaGa}}'' series for the GameBoy, released in North America as ''Franchise/FinalFantasy Legend II''.

One fateful night, your father wakes you up and explains in vague detail that he has to leave you and your mother behind to go on a mission of great importance involving something called MAGI, which, when combined, will form a statue of the Goddess Isis. As a memento, he leaves you with one MAGI, Prism.

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[[caption-width-right:350: Humans,[[strike:mutant]] Humans,[[strike: mutant]] espers, robots robots, and monsters? Awesome.]]

Full Name: ''[=SaGa 2: Hihou Densetsu=]'' ("Treasure Legend"). The second game in the ''VideoGame/{{SaGa}}'' series for the GameBoy, UsefulNotes/GameBoy, released in North America as ''Franchise/FinalFantasy Legend II''.

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One fateful night, your father wakes you up and explains in vague detail that he has to leave you and your mother behind to go on a mission of great importance involving something called MAGI, which, when combined, will form a statue of the Goddess Isis. As a memento, he leaves you with one MAGI, Prism.
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Despite the obtuse gameplay that would characterize the ''[=SaGa=]'' series, ''[=SaGa=] 2'', like its predecessor, was one of the original Game Boy's most memorable [=RPGs=], thanks in part to what was at the time a high level of character customization and varied set pieces -- one minute you'd be exploring a high-tech metropolis ruled by a beauty-obsessed tyrant queen who has forced two young lovers apart, and the next you'd be in a world inspired by medieval Japan to take part in a detective story.

In 2009, the game was [[VideoGameRemake remade]] for the NintendoDS for the series' 20th anniversary, with upgraded graphics, tweaked gameplay elements, new characters, designs by ''VideoGame/TheWorldEndsWithYou'''s Gen Kobayashi, and a new name: ''[=SaGa 2: Hihou Densetsu: Goddess of Destiny=]''. Although [[NoExportForYou it will never come out on western shores]], thanks to ''VideoGame/UnlimitedSaga'' and ''VideoGame/{{Romancing SaGa}}'' bombing hard, a fan translation group has translated it.

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Despite the obtuse gameplay that would characterize the ''[=SaGa=]'' series, ''[=SaGa=] 2'', 2,'' like its predecessor, was one of the original Game Boy's most memorable [=RPGs=], thanks in part to what was at the time a high level of character customization and varied set pieces -- one minute you'd be exploring a high-tech metropolis ruled by a beauty-obsessed beauty obsessed tyrant queen who has forced two young lovers apart, and the next you'd be in a world inspired by medieval Japan to take part in a detective story.

In 2009, the game was [[VideoGameRemake remade]] for the NintendoDS UsefulNotes/NintendoDS for the series' 20th anniversary, with upgraded graphics, tweaked gameplay elements, new characters, designs by ''VideoGame/TheWorldEndsWithYou'''s Gen Kobayashi, and a new name: ''[=SaGa 2: Hihou Densetsu: Goddess of Destiny=]''. Destiny=].'' Although [[NoExportForYou it will never come out on western shores]], shores,]] thanks to ''VideoGame/UnlimitedSaga'' and ''VideoGame/{{Romancing SaGa}}'' bombing hard, a fan translation group has translated it.
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* AffablyEvil: [[spoiler:Apollo. Venus to a lesser extent, but she's a more obvious RichBitch who's full of herself.]]
* AfterCombatRecovery: Characters killed in battle are revived with 1 HP afterward. Also counts as something of an [[AntiFrustrationFeatures Anti Frustration Feature]], as this replaces the costly system of hearts and the life house from the previous game.
* AllMythsAreTrue: Subverted twice: first in the Port Town in Apollo's world, where the inhabitants think that an [[spoiler: undersea volcano]] is actually the god Neptune, and the second when it is revealed that [[spoiler: the idea that the Statue of Isis/The Goddess was made out of 77 MAGI/Treasures]], which had been taken as a given since the beginning of the game, isn't entirely accurate.

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* AffablyEvil: [[spoiler:Apollo.[[spoiler: Apollo. Venus to a lesser extent, but she's a more obvious RichBitch who's full of herself.]]
* AfterCombatRecovery: Characters killed in battle are revived with 1 HP afterward. Also counts as something of an [[AntiFrustrationFeatures Anti {{Anti Frustration Feature]], Feature|s}}, as this replaces the costly system of hearts and the life house from the previous game.
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* AllMythsAreTrue: Subverted {{Subverted|Trope}} twice: first First in the Port Town in Apollo's world, where the inhabitants think that an [[spoiler: undersea volcano]] is actually the god Neptune, and the second when it is revealed that [[spoiler: the idea that the Statue of Isis/The Isis / The Goddess was made out of 77 MAGI/Treasures]], MAGI / Treasures,]] which had been taken as a given since the beginning of the game, isn't entirely accurate.



* AntiGrinding: Done via BreakableWeapons: every useable battle command has a limited number of uses, be it a shield, SpellBook or weapon. As such, every battle costs money... and you might not earn enough of it back to make LevelGrinding financially practical. (Of course, this also raised the difficulty level, since if ThatOneBoss was giving you trouble, you just had to bull through it...)
* ArrangedMarriage: The thrust of the Mini-Story of Venus' World is the arranged marriage between Flora/Olivia and Nils/Julius, despite the former's love for Leon/Anthony.

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* AntiGrinding: Done via BreakableWeapons: every useable Every usable battle command has a limited number of uses, be it a shield, SpellBook SpellBook, or weapon. As such, every battle costs money... and And you might not earn enough of it back to make LevelGrinding financially practical. (Of course, this also raised the difficulty level, since if ThatOneBoss was giving you trouble, you just had to bull through it...)
* ArrangedMarriage: The thrust of the Mini-Story of Venus' World is the arranged marriage between Flora/Olivia Flora / Olivia and Nils/Julius, Nils / Julius, despite the former's love for Leon/Anthony.Leon / Anthony.



* AwesomeButImpractical: The Seven Sword (or Seven-pronged Sword in the remake). It hits seven times with one swing. The catch? You get only seven swings with it, and you need both a very high Strength to deal significant damage, and a high Agility to score all seven hits with it. And it doesn't even raise those stats if equipped on a Robot.
** And on top of ''those'', the only way to get it is by beating the absurdly powerful enemy, [[ThatOneBoss Haniwa]]. Haniwa only appears in the [[VeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon last dungeon]], is arguably as powerful as the [[FinalBoss Arsenal]], if not more so, and it's a slim chance that you will get the Seven Sword anyway!
* BadassInANiceSuit: Apollo

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* AwesomeButImpractical: The Seven Sword (or Seven-pronged Seven pronged Sword in the remake). It hits seven times with one swing. The catch? You get only seven swings with it, and you need both a very high Strength to deal significant damage, and a high Agility to score all seven hits with it. And it doesn't even raise those stats if equipped on a Robot.
** And on top of ''those'', ''those,'' the only way to get it is by beating the absurdly powerful enemy, [[ThatOneBoss Haniwa]]. Haniwa.]] Haniwa only appears in the [[VeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon last dungeon]], dungeon,]] is arguably as powerful as the [[FinalBoss Arsenal]], Arsenal,]] if not more so, and it's a slim chance that you will get the Seven Sword anyway!
* BadassInANiceSuit: ApolloApollo.



* BigBad: [[spoiler:Apollo. After his defeat, the last challenge in the game is to prevent the entire world from collapsing, and while there are lots of monsters, it is no longer strictly a case of good vs. evil.]]
* BigGood: [[spoiler:The Goddess, called Isis in the 1991 localization. She comes back to life with the assembly of her statue.]]

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* BigBad: [[spoiler:Apollo.[[spoiler: Apollo. After his defeat, the last challenge in the game is to prevent the entire world from collapsing, and while there are lots of monsters, it is no longer strictly a case of good vs. evil.]]
* BigGood: [[spoiler:The [[spoiler: The Goddess, called Isis in the 1991 localization. She comes back to life with the assembly of her statue.]]



* BookEnds: The game both begins and ends with the protagonists' father announcing that he will be off to search for a legendary item. [[spoiler:During the ending, however, both the protagonist and his/her/its mother decide that they'll be joining him.]]

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* BookEnds: The game both begins and ends with the protagonists' father announcing that he will be off to search for a legendary item. [[spoiler:During [[spoiler: During the ending, however, both the protagonist and his/her/its his / her / its mother decide that they'll be joining him.]]



* BossInMookClothing: The Haniwa - a unique enemy in the final area - is definitely challenging enough to be a boss in its own right. It also possesses the elusive [[InfinityPlusOneSword Seven Sword]]. If you're lucky, you'll get it from him as a drop. If you're not, he'll use it on you.

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* BossInMookClothing: The Haniwa - a -- an unique enemy in the final area - -- is definitely challenging enough to be a boss in its own right. It also possesses the elusive [[InfinityPlusOneSword Seven Sword]]. Sword.]] If you're lucky, you'll get it from him as a drop. If you're not, he'll use it on you.



* BrokenPedestal: At one point, the hero believes (mistakenly) that [[spoiler: Dad abandoned the family to play hero and have an affair with Lynn's mother]].

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* BrokenPedestal: At one point, the hero believes (mistakenly) that [[spoiler: Dad abandoned the family to play hero and have an affair with Lynn's mother]].mother.]]



* TheCameo: The [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyI Death Machine]] appears as a boss battle in the dungeon south of Final Town. It had also previously appeared as a boss in ''Makai Toshi [=Saga=]''. (In ''[=SaGa=] 2'', this enemy's depiction is a new illustration including the digit "2" painted on the side of the machine.)

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* TheCameo: The [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyI Death Machine]] appears as a boss battle in the dungeon south of Final Town. It had also previously appeared as a boss in ''Makai Toshi [=Saga=]''. [=SaGa=].'' (In ''[=SaGa=] 2'', 2,'' this enemy's depiction is a new illustration including the digit "2" painted on the side of the machine.)



* CaptainErsatz: [[Franchise/IndianaJones Dad]] is a traveling AdventurerArchaeologist who wears a hat and carries a whip (albeit an electric shock whip), and has previously found the [[Film/RaidersOfTheLostArk Ark of the Covenant]] and the [[Film/IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade Holy Grail]].

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* CaptainErsatz: [[Franchise/IndianaJones Dad]] is a traveling AdventurerArchaeologist who wears a hat and carries a whip (albeit an electric shock whip), and has previously found the [[Film/RaidersOfTheLostArk Ark of the Covenant]] and the [[Film/IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade Holy Grail]].Grail.]]



* ChineseGirl: Lynn/Lin.
* ConvectionSchmonvection: You walk around the interior of not one, but two volcanoes. Wading through the lava has no ill effects apart from one HP of damage per step.

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* ChineseGirl: Lynn/Lin.
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* ConvectionSchmonvection: You walk around the interior of not one, but two volcanoes. Wading through the lava has no ill effects apart from one HP of damage per step.



*** It can even be good to be wiped out at least once. If you haven't been wiped out up to that point, Odin is harder and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking you'll just jump into the fight without any dialogue]].

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*** It can even be good to be wiped out at least once. If you haven't been wiped out up to that point, Odin is harder and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking you'll just jump into the fight without any dialogue]].dialogue.]]



* DegradedBoss: Some "bosses", especially early on are normal enemies from later worlds.
* DifficultySpike: After you lose the relics. As with The7thSaga you've been using PlotCoupons to [[AmplifierArtifact increase your power]]; once the plot takes them away things become more difficult.

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* DegradedBoss: Some "bosses", "bosses," especially early on are normal enemies from later worlds.
* DifficultySpike: After you lose the relics. As with The7thSaga VideoGame/The7thSaga you've been using PlotCoupons to [[AmplifierArtifact increase your power]]; power;]] once the plot takes them away things become more difficult. difficult.
23rd Feb '16 1:25:16 PM Sammettik
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* AndTheAdventureContinues

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* BoringReturnJourney

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* ChainsawGood

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* DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist / ResetButton: If you lose a fight, your characters will end up in Valhalla Palace, and Odin will offer to revive you and let you start the battle over. In exchange, though, you have to promise that, if you ever meet him while you are still alive, you will fight him.

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* DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist / ResetButton: DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist: If you lose a fight, your characters will end up in Valhalla Palace, and Odin will offer to revive you and let you start the battle over. In exchange, though, you have to promise that, if you ever meet him while you are still alive, you will fight him.



** Additionally, the final use of any of the martial arts skills -- even the lowly, inexpensive Punch -- does obscene damage. Wanna kill ThatOneBoss? Buy some cheap Punches, burn them down to a single use... and then hang on to them until you're ready to unleash unbelievable damage.

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** Additionally, the final use of any of the martial arts skills -- even the lowly, inexpensive Punch -- does obscene damage. Wanna kill ThatOneBoss? Trouble with a partlicular boss? Buy some cheap Punches, burn them down to a single use... and then hang on to them until you're ready to unleash unbelievable damage.



* FireIceLightning / ElementalRockPaperScissors: There are spells called Fire, Ice, and Thunder, and enemies or your own Mutants can have weaknesses or immunity to them. Mutants will also start off with Blizzard (male) or Flame (female) which hit all enemies but are slightly weaker than the single-group spells.

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* FireIceLightning / ElementalRockPaperScissors: FireIceLightning: There are spells called Fire, Ice, and Thunder, and enemies or your own Mutants can have weaknesses or immunity to them. Mutants will also start off with Blizzard (male) or Flame (female) which hit all enemies but are slightly weaker than the single-group spells.



* FashionableAsymmetry: The Female Humans

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* FashionableAsymmetry: The Female HumansHumans.



* NewGamePlus
* NoExportForYou: Square-Enix has no plans to bring the game to the English-speaking world, to the eternal dismay of fans of the original.

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* NewGamePlus
* NoExportForYou: Square-Enix has no plans to bring the game to the English-speaking world, to the eternal dismay of fans of the original.
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* VideoGameRemake
* YouGottaHaveBlueHair

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22nd Jan '16 11:24:47 AM tadaru
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* LastDiscMagic / NonElemental: The Flare and slightly weaker P-Blast spells which are [[spoiler:normally]] gotten near the end of the game. Not only are they the most powerful magic and hit all enemies, but the fact that they are non-elemental is a huge asset considering that in the late game many enemies are immune to any elemental magic.

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* LastDiscMagic / NonElemental: The Flare and slightly weaker P-Blast spells which are [[spoiler:normally]] gotten near the end of the game. Not only are they the most powerful magic and hit all enemies, enemies in a battle, but the fact that they are non-elemental is a huge asset considering that in the late game many enemies are immune to any elemental magic.
22nd Jan '16 11:24:26 AM tadaru
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* LastDiscMagic / NonElemental: The Flare and slightly weaker P-Blast spells which are [[spoiler:normally]] gotten near the end of the game. Not only are they the most powerful magic, but the fact that they are non-elemental is a huge asset considering that in the late game many enemies are immune to any elemental magic.

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* LastDiscMagic / NonElemental: The Flare and slightly weaker P-Blast spells which are [[spoiler:normally]] gotten near the end of the game. Not only are they the most powerful magic, magic and hit all enemies, but the fact that they are non-elemental is a huge asset considering that in the late game many enemies are immune to any elemental magic.
21st Jan '16 4:08:27 PM tadaru
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* SelfImposedChallenge: Using intentionally unbalanced parties (such as four robots or four monsters) is a popular form of self-imposed challenge with this game.
21st Jan '16 4:04:27 PM tadaru
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** The Gungnir can be found a little earlier than the Excalibur and is like an Infinity Minus Two [[strike:Sword]] Spear. The damage calculation is exactly the same as the Excalibur, although it only has 30 uses rather than infinity.
21st Jan '16 4:00:48 PM tadaru
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** Gungnir is present, and used by Odin himself. One can be found for use by your own party.
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