History VideoGame / OgreBattleTheMarchOfTheBlackQueen

19th Apr '16 3:15:25 PM Javer
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* KarmaMeter: Two kinds: a meter that gives your army's overall reputation, and the "alignment" stat for individual characters.
** The "Charisma" stat also qualifies. It moves in a similar way to the "Alignment" stat.

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* KarmaMeter: Two Three kinds: a meter that gives sums up your army's overall reputation, reputation with the people, and the "alignment" stat and "charisma" stats for individual characters.
** The "Charisma" stat also qualifies. It moves in a similar way to
units. Alignment goes up (tending towards the "Alignment" stat. just and holy) when a character defeats a lower-aligned enemy (tending towards the brutal and wicked), and vice versa. Charisma, meanwhile, goes up by killing higher-leveled foes - who doesn't love an underdog?
** This does make the high-CHA, low-ALI classes difficult to qualify for: most "evil" units will breeze through battles by slaughtering fairies and clerics, quickly outleveling the enemy armies and making themselves look like bullies in the process.
31st Jan '16 7:45:44 PM GrammarNavi
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Followed by 1999's ''Videogame/OgreBattle64'' as episode VI, and 1995's ''TacticsOgre'' as episode VII. ''TacticsOgreTheKnightOfLodis'' is a GaidenGame and not given an episode number.

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Followed by 1999's ''Videogame/OgreBattle64'' as episode VI, and 1995's ''TacticsOgre'' ''VideoGame/TacticsOgre'' as episode VII. ''TacticsOgreTheKnightOfLodis'' ''VideoGame/TacticsOgreTheKnightOfLodis'' is a GaidenGame and not given an episode number.
27th Dec '15 4:00:22 AM ScorpiusOB1
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** Sirius is the Dog Star; Deneb is Cygnus Alpha; Albeleo is remarkably close to Albireo, which is Cygnus Beta; Castor is Gemini Alpha and his twin Porkus should probably by written as Pollux, Gemini Beta; and Prochon is likely the translation of Procyon, which is the brightest star in Canis Minoris.

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** Sirius is the Dog Star; Deneb is Cygnus Alpha; Alpha Cygni; Albeleo is remarkably close to Albireo, which is Cygnus Beta; Beta Cygni; Castor is Gemini Alpha Geminorum and his twin Porkus should probably by written as Pollux, Gemini Beta; Beta Geminorum; and Prochon is likely the translation of Procyon, which is the brightest star in Canis Minoris.
31st Aug '15 7:38:57 PM Luigifan
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* AsLongAsThereIsEvil: Sage Rashidi, Galf and Albeleo all tell you that killing them won't do anything permanently, as long as the threat of war is present.
* BiggerBad: In a sense, the Holy Lodis Empire. It's seeming intent to invade the continent of Zeteginea eventually results in the formation of the Sacred Zeteginea Empire, and after the end, Destin and some allies go off to [[Videogame/OgreBattle64 fight it's expansions elsewhere]]

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* AsLongAsThereIsEvil: Sage Rashidi, Galf Galf, and Albeleo all tell you that killing them won't do anything permanently, as long as the threat of war is present.
* BiggerBad: In a sense, the Holy Lodis Empire. It's Its seeming intent to invade the continent of Zeteginea eventually results in the formation of the Sacred Zeteginea Empire, and after the end, Destin and some allies go off to [[Videogame/OgreBattle64 fight it's its expansions elsewhere]]elsewhere]].



* BlackMagic: Wizardry. Yes, the traditional fantasy magic is evil: you need to have a low alignment to take the class in the first place (though don't go ''too'' far or you can't advance), it allows you to summon and make deals with demons, and can even lead you down the path to necromancy and eventual lichdom. DarkIsNotEvil and BadPowersGoodPeople ''can'' apply, however; the most notable example of this is Saradin, who has a low alignment in-game, but not only doesn't act it, explicitly calls out Albeleo as APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil.
* BlindIdiotTranslation: Shows up sometimes. Especially concerning the issue of [[SpellMyNameWithAnS the Japanese L and Rs]]. The kingdom of Holai is often called Horai. Fenril is sometimes called Fenrir. Lodis in future games is refered to in the original as "Rodisti." This can be quite confusing.

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* BlackMagic: Wizardry. Yes, the traditional fantasy magic is evil: you need to have a low alignment to take the class in the first place (though don't go ''too'' far or you can't advance), it allows you to summon and make deals with demons, and can even lead you down the path to necromancy and eventual lichdom. DarkIsNotEvil and BadPowersGoodPeople ''can'' apply, however; the most notable example of this is Saradin, who has a low alignment in-game, but not only doesn't act it, he explicitly calls out Albeleo as APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil.
* BlindIdiotTranslation: Shows up sometimes. Especially concerning the issue of [[SpellMyNameWithAnS the Japanese L and Rs]]. The kingdom of Holai is often called Horai. Fenril is sometimes called Fenrir. Lodis in future games is refered referred to in the original as "Rodisti." This can be quite confusing.



* DarkHorseVictory: The Hierophant ending of the original game. [[spoiler: Rauny becomes queen as heir to Zeteginea, your hero marries her, and Tristan goes off to fight Lodis. This is the only ending in which Rauny rules in her own right.]]
* TheDarkSideWillMakeYouForget: DoubleSubverted. [[spoiler: Empress Endora's StartOfDarkness was when she tried to form a continental alliance to protect against Lodis, got her kingdom invaded for her trouble, and allied with dark forces to protect her kingdom and conquer the continent. When you reach Zeteginea, she tries to get you to join with her against the threat of Lodis, which ''would'' be an aversion...except that she's doing this solely as a con to maintain her own power.]]
* DealWithTheDevil: You can opt to recruit the devil Galf by giving him the holy sword Brunhild, while having a low alignment and reputation. [[spoiler: Doing this can get you a special bad ending where Galf possesses you and rules the world in your name. This ending only happens if your reputation bar is less than a quarter full, so you can still avert it by rebuilding your reputation.]]
* DeathSeeker: Yushis' sister Mizal, and the shaman Norn. [[spoiler: If your reputation is high enough, you can talk Norn out of it by telling her that her boyfriend isn't dead, as she believed. Mizal... not so much.]] Tristan is infered to be doing this before you recruit him.

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* DarkHorseVictory: The Hierophant ending of the original game. [[spoiler: Rauny [[spoiler:Rauny becomes queen as heir to Zeteginea, your hero marries her, and Tristan goes off to fight Lodis. This is the only ending in which Rauny rules in her own right.]]
* TheDarkSideWillMakeYouForget: DoubleSubverted. [[spoiler: Empress [[spoiler:Empress Endora's StartOfDarkness was when she tried to form a continental alliance to protect against Lodis, got her kingdom invaded for her trouble, and allied with dark forces to protect her kingdom and conquer the continent. When you reach Zeteginea, she tries to get you to join with her against the threat of Lodis, which ''would'' be an aversion... except that she's doing this solely as a con to maintain her own power.]]
* DealWithTheDevil: You can opt to recruit the devil Galf by giving him the holy sword Brunhild, while having a low alignment and reputation. [[spoiler: Doing [[spoiler:Doing this can get you a special bad ending where Galf possesses you and rules the world in your name. This ending only happens if your reputation bar is less than a quarter full, so you can still avert it by rebuilding your reputation.]]
* DeathSeeker: Yushis' sister Mizal, and the shaman Norn. [[spoiler: If [[spoiler:If your reputation is high enough, you can talk Norn out of it by telling her that her boyfriend isn't dead, as she believed. Mizal... not so much.]] Tristan is infered inferred to be doing this before you recruit him.



* ElementalPowers: Plays a rather good chunk of role in the latter games. In the original Three Dragoons (Slust, Fenril and Fogel) are based on this, as are the breeds of dragons - Good = Cold, Fire = Neutral, Evil = Physical.
* ElementalRockPaperScissors: There were six different types of offense in ''March of the Black Queen'': fire, cold, thunder, holy, dark (or evil) and physical. They clashed about how you'd expect; however, not all characters were inherently set to a particular element. Rather, each class tended to be strong in some areas and weak in others.

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* ElementalPowers: Plays a rather good chunk of role in the latter games. In the original original, the Three Dragoons (Slust, Fenril Fenril, and Fogel) are based on this, as are the breeds of dragons - Good = Cold, Fire = Neutral, Evil = Physical.
* ElementalRockPaperScissors: There were six different types of offense in ''March of the Black Queen'': fire, cold, thunder, holy, dark (or evil) evil), and physical. They clashed about how you'd expect; however, not all characters were inherently set to a particular element. Rather, each class tended to be strong in some areas and weak in others.



** Generally speaking, the element opposition is Fire - Cold, Light - Dark, Thunder - Physical. Generally one is only strong in one element of each pair.

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** Generally speaking, the element opposition is Fire - Cold, Light - Dark, Thunder - Physical. Generally Generally, one is only strong in one element of each pair.



* FourIsDeath: The Four Devas (Debonair, Figaro, Previa and Luvalon) play this straight.

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* FourIsDeath: The Four Devas (Debonair, Figaro, Previa Previa, and Luvalon) play this straight.



** Not to mention trying to get some of the endings. Oddly, the ''worst'' ending is probably the most difficult to get, and the biggest Guide Dang It of them all. It's also really ''really'' bad for the hero.

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** Not to mention trying to get some of the endings. Oddly, the ''worst'' ending is [[EarnYourBadEnding probably the most difficult to get, get]], and the biggest Guide Dang It of them all. It's also really ''really'' bad for the hero.



* TheKingdom: The Kingdoms of Zenobia, Holai and Deneuve, as opposed to TheEmpire.
* KnightInShiningArmor: Lans Hamilton

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* TheKingdom: The Kingdoms of Zenobia, Holai Holai, and Deneuve, as opposed to TheEmpire.
* KnightInShiningArmor: Lans HamiltonHamilton.



* [[spoiler: NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished: Where Endora's fall from grace started. When it looks like the Holy Lodis Empire seems posed to invade, she appeals to the outher four Kings for an alliance to fight them off. Their response? To take this plea as a sign of weakness and invader her kingdom of Hyland. With a little help from Rashidi, Hyland not only fends them off and defeats them, but the rage from their acts brings her to path of evil]].

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* [[spoiler: NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished: [[spoiler:NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished: Where Endora's fall from grace started. When it looks like the Holy Lodis Empire seems posed is poised to invade, she appeals to the outher other four Kings for an alliance to fight them off. Their response? To take this plea as a sign of weakness and invader invade her kingdom of Hyland. With a little help from Rashidi, Hyland not only fends them off and defeats them, but the rage from their acts brings her to path of evil]].



* OutOfCharacterMoment: [[spoiler: Prince Tristan's]] actions in the Hanged Man ending are completely at odds with his portrayal in every other scene in the game.
* PaletteSwap: To differentiate [=NPCs=] from other units of their class. Some advanced classes are also palate swaps of earlier ones.

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* OutOfCharacterMoment: [[spoiler: Prince [[spoiler:Prince Tristan's]] actions in the Hanged Man ending are completely at odds with his portrayal in every other scene in the game.
* PaletteSwap: To differentiate [=NPCs=] from other units of their class. Some advanced classes are also palate palette swaps of earlier ones.



* RebelliousPrincess: Rauny, who actually does not follow her father's MyCountryRightOrWrong stitch and oppose the Empire, and [[RunawayBride ran off from her proposed wedding from an evil baron.]]

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* RebelliousPrincess: Rauny, who actually does not follow her father's MyCountryRightOrWrong stitch and oppose the Empire, and [[RunawayBride ran off from her proposed wedding from to an evil baron.]]



* ShoutOut: Yasumi Matsuno loves the band Queen. Both "Ogre Battle" and "March of the Black Queen" are named after Queen songs, and the stage "The Rhyan Sea" is a reference of the Queen song "Seven Seas of Rhye". The subtitle of ''Tactics Ogre'', "Let Us Cling Together", is from another Queen song.

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* ShoutOut: Yasumi Matsuno loves the band Queen. Music/{{Queen}}. Both "Ogre Battle" and "March of the Black Queen" are named after Queen songs, and the stage "The Rhyan Sea" is a reference of to the Queen song "Seven Seas of Rhye". The subtitle of ''Tactics Ogre'', "Let Us Cling Together", is from another Queen song.



* ThemeNaming: Several stage bosses are named after stars. Also, The Four Devas in ''Ogre Battle'' are all named after cars the Mitsubishi Debonair, the Nissan Figaro, the Toyota Previa and the Chrysler [=LeBaron=].

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* ThemeNaming: Several stage bosses are named after stars. Also, The Four Devas in ''Ogre Battle'' are all named after cars the Mitsubishi Debonair, the Nissan Figaro, the Toyota Previa Previa, and the Chrysler [=LeBaron=].



* UngratefulBastard: [[spoiler: Tristan in the Hanged Man ending is ''really'' not a nice guy. You've conquered the continent for him, but [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished that very fact means that you've become a danger to his throne]], and he quietly murders you to ensure that you don't challenge his rule later. This is only for this ending, however; he's far more reasonable in the others.]]

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* UngratefulBastard: [[spoiler: Tristan [[spoiler:Tristan in the Hanged Man ending is ''really'' not a nice guy. You've conquered the continent for him, but [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished that very fact means that you've become a danger to his throne]], and he quietly murders you to ensure that you don't challenge his rule later. This is only for this ending, however; he's far more reasonable in the others.]]



** Several sources said that battles directly affected reputation, in the same way that they affected alignment and charisma. This wasn't true. Also, amazons don't hate male leaders, at least not in anyway that affects gameplay.

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** Several sources said that battles directly affected reputation, in the same way that they affected alignment and charisma. This wasn't true. Also, amazons don't hate male leaders, at least not in anyway any way that affects gameplay.



* VideoGameCrueltyPunishment: Low-[[KarmaMeter karma]] endings are bad endings. You can't hold the realm by force, [[spoiler: at least not without being taken over by Rashidi or Galf]].

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* VideoGameCrueltyPunishment: Low-[[KarmaMeter karma]] endings are bad endings. You can't hold the realm by force, [[spoiler: at [[spoiler:at least not without being taken over by Rashidi or Galf]].



* WhiteMage: Cleric, Shaman, Monks, and Paladins (in the back row) all can heal your party or kill undead. Angels (and all upgraded versions), Sylphs (fully-upgraded Pixies), Princesses and ''Liches'' get holy attacks, as does any physical attacker wielding a holy weapon.

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* WhiteMage: Cleric, Shaman, Monks, and Paladins (in the back row) all can heal your party or kill undead. Angels (and all upgraded versions), Sylphs (fully-upgraded Pixies), Princesses Princesses, and ''Liches'' get holy attacks, as does any physical attacker wielding a holy weapon.
15th Apr '14 12:24:42 AM Ramidel
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* AsLongAsThereIsEvil: Both Sage Rashidi, Galf and Albeleo tell you that killing them won't do anything permanently, as long as the threat of war is present.

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* AsLongAsThereIsEvil: Both Sage Rashidi, Galf and Albeleo all tell you that killing them won't do anything permanently, as long as the threat of war is present.
15th Apr '14 12:19:37 AM Ramidel
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* BlindIdiotTranslation: Shows up sometimes. Especially concerning the issue of the Japanese L and Rs. The kingdom of Holai is often called Horai. Fenril is sometimes called Fenrir. Lodis in future games is refered to in the original as "Rodisti." This can be quite confusing.

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* BlindIdiotTranslation: Shows up sometimes. Especially concerning the issue of [[SpellMyNameWithAnS the Japanese L and Rs.Rs]]. The kingdom of Holai is often called Horai. Fenril is sometimes called Fenrir. Lodis in future games is refered to in the original as "Rodisti." This can be quite confusing.
1st Mar '14 3:09:07 AM Ramidel
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* LadyOfWar: Rauny Vinzalf, future queen and the first female Paladin on Zenobia. Also Fenril, one of the Three High Knights who fought in the original ''Ogre Battle''. The Opinion Leader can be this.

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* LadyOfWar: Rauny Vinzalf, future queen and the first female Paladin on Zenobia. Also Fenril, one of the Three High Knights who fought in the original ''Ogre Battle''. The If she's female and a warrior-type, the Opinion Leader can be this.also qualifies.
15th Jan '14 7:37:06 PM krimsh
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** Several sources said that battles directly affected reputation, in the same way that they affected alignment and charisma. This wasn't true. Also, amazons don't hate male leaders, at least not in anyway that affects gameplay.

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** Several sources said that battles directly affected reputation, in the same way that they affected alignment and charisma. This wasn't true. Also, amazons don't hate male leaders, at least not in anyway that affects gameplay. gameplay.
*** Boss battles directly affect reputation, as the winning unit liberates the headquarters the boss was defending; in addition, some bosses will hurt your reputation if you kill them, and if you haven't done the proper storyline events to save them, you'll take the reputation hit regardless. This may be the source of some of the confusion.
10th Dec '13 4:38:37 PM ArcanaMaxima
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* OurLichesAreDifferent

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* OurLichesAreDifferentOurLichesAreDifferent: The ultimate Wizard unit with three hit-all magic attacks in the back row...and three single-target ''holy'' attacks in the front.
9th Dec '13 8:09:44 PM ArcanaMaxima
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* UseYourHead / LosingYourHead: In Deneb's Garden or with an item from Deneb, you can recruit Pumpkins (men with pumpkins for heads) into your army, who attack by ''tearing off their own heads'', kicking them into the air, whereupon they grow to huge size and ''land'' on an enemy, halving their HP (or killing undead units outright) unless they miss. If you upgrade them to a Hallowe'en, they can do it twice a fight!
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