History ValuesDissonance / ProfessionalWrestling

23rd Sep '17 10:42:27 AM nombretomado
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* Certain tactics during matches today would earn a DQ from the ref while during the AttitudeEra or Wrestling/RuthlessAggressionEra they would only get a small warning. As such, older fans may find these tactics weak finishes to a match. Examples include:

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* Certain tactics during matches today would earn a DQ from the ref while during the AttitudeEra Wrestling/AttitudeEra or Wrestling/RuthlessAggressionEra they would only get a small warning. As such, older fans may find these tactics weak finishes to a match. Examples include:
29th Jul '17 9:39:04 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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* Masks used to be incredibly common in USA wrestling and still are in Latin American Wrestling, especially Mexico thanks to the legendary careers of The Masked Marvel, The Blue Demon, Wrestling/ElSanto, Atlantis, Mascarita Sagrada, Wrestling/{{Mistico}} ect, the [[HumiliatingWager ever popular mask vs mask wager]] and TheReveal that follows. In the USA though, masks fell out of favor in the so called "Rock N' Wrestling Era" when wrestling was crossing over with other forms of media such as movies and cartoons, leaving wrestlers to think masks would hamper their marketing value even though they never stopped Mexicans from getting movies or comics. However, with the rise of the internet, masks started making a small comeback in the 50 states as they were one of the surefire ways to force a gap between professional and private life, helping keep the mystique of TheGimmick. Wrestling/KaijuBigBattel and Wrestling/{{Chikara}} in particular ran with this.

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* Masks used to be incredibly common in USA wrestling and still are in Latin American Wrestling, especially Mexico thanks to the legendary careers of The Masked Marvel, The Blue Demon, Wrestling/ElSanto, Atlantis, Mascarita Sagrada, Wrestling/{{Mistico}} ect, etc, the [[HumiliatingWager ever popular mask vs mask wager]] and TheReveal that follows. In the USA though, masks fell out of favor in the so called "Rock N' Wrestling Era" when wrestling was crossing over with other forms of media such as movies and cartoons, leaving wrestlers to think masks would hamper their marketing value even though they never stopped Mexicans from getting movies or comics. However, with the rise of the internet, masks started making a small comeback in the 50 states as they were one of the surefire ways to force a gap between professional and private life, helping keep the mystique of TheGimmick. Wrestling/KaijuBigBattel and Wrestling/{{Chikara}} in particular ran with this.
23rd Jul '17 5:09:49 PM LaptopGuy
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** During the late 1990s and early 2000s, it was common to see men beating up women. Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin was known to give "stunners" to multiple women, including Stephanie [=McMahon=] Linda [=McMahon=], Wrestling/{{Chyna}} and Wrestling/StacyKeibler, all to loud cheers of the audience. But when Wrestling/{{Umaga}} brutally beat super-hot WWE diva [[Wrestling/MariaKanellis Maria]] during a match, and later, when the 7-foot-3 Great Khali began choking the life and shaking like a rag doll super-sexy diva Wrestling/AshleyMassaro to the point where she began [[BloodFromTheMouth bleeding from the mouth]], the fans were outraged. Between this and their attempt to clean up the product post-Wrestling/ChrisBenoit led to all man-on-woman violence being banned.

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** During the late 1990s and early 2000s, it was common to see men beating up women. Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin was known to give "stunners" to multiple women, including Stephanie [=McMahon=] Linda [=McMahon=], Wrestling/{{Chyna}} and Wrestling/StacyKeibler, all to loud cheers of the audience. But when both Wrestling/KurtAngle and Wrestling/{{Umaga}} brutally beat super-hot WWE diva [[Wrestling/MariaKanellis Maria]] during a match, two different matches, and later, when the 7-foot-3 Great Khali began choking the life and shaking like a rag doll super-sexy diva Wrestling/AshleyMassaro to the point where she began [[BloodFromTheMouth bleeding from the mouth]], the fans were outraged. Between this and their attempt to clean up the product post-Wrestling/ChrisBenoit led to all man-on-woman violence being banned.
18th Jul '17 3:10:19 AM LaptopGuy
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** During the late 1990s and early 2000s, it was common to see men beating up women. Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin was known to give "stunners" to multiple women, including Stephanie [=McMahon=] Linda [=McMahon=], Wrestling/{{Chyna}} and Wrestling/StacyKeibler, all to loud cheers of the audience. But when Wrestling/{{Umaga}} brutally beat super-hot WWE diva [[Wrestling/MariaKanellis Maria]] during a match, and later, when the 7-foot-3 Great Khali began choking the life and shaking like a rag doll super-sexy diva Wrestling/AshleyMassaro to the point where she began [[BloodFromTheMouth bleeding from the mouth]], the fans were outraged.

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** During the late 1990s and early 2000s, it was common to see men beating up women. Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin was known to give "stunners" to multiple women, including Stephanie [=McMahon=] Linda [=McMahon=], Wrestling/{{Chyna}} and Wrestling/StacyKeibler, all to loud cheers of the audience. But when Wrestling/{{Umaga}} brutally beat super-hot WWE diva [[Wrestling/MariaKanellis Maria]] during a match, and later, when the 7-foot-3 Great Khali began choking the life and shaking like a rag doll super-sexy diva Wrestling/AshleyMassaro to the point where she began [[BloodFromTheMouth bleeding from the mouth]], the fans were outraged. Between this and their attempt to clean up the product post-Wrestling/ChrisBenoit led to all man-on-woman violence being banned.



** Wrestling/{{Layla}} El got her partner disqualified by throwing a shoe into the ring. Teddy Long did this in a match between [[Wrestling/CarleneMoore Jazz]] and Wrestling/TrishStratus in 2003. All he got was a stern word from the ref.

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** Wrestling/{{Layla}} El got [[Wrestling/MichelleMcCool her partner partner]] disqualified by throwing a shoe into the ring. Teddy Long did this in a match between [[Wrestling/CarleneMoore Jazz]] and Wrestling/TrishStratus in 2003. All he got was a stern word from the ref.



** Somewhat subverted with Jack Swagger's heel run, which took popular conservative idealogies and turned them into cartoonishly exaggerated villainous versions. However to some people, [[StrawmanHasAPoint he and Zeb were right.]]

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** Somewhat subverted with Jack Swagger's heel run, which took popular conservative idealogies and turned them into cartoonishly exaggerated villainous versions. However to some people, [[StrawmanHasAPoint he and Zeb were right.]]]] See also, JBL's 2004 feud with Eddie Guerrero.
* UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump was the {{face}} in his feud with the [=McMahon=] family (he was a Democrat at the time). Ten years after the fact, Trump is the Republican president of the United States, and is incredibly reviled and feared by those in his former party. To many fans, personal feelings towards Trump make it very difficult to root for Wrestling/BobbyLashley (Trump's client at ''WrestleMania 23'') in his feud against Wrestling/{{Umaga}} (Vince's client), even if they know exactly how they were booked (that, and the fact that Umaga's always been much more liked by hardcore fans than Lashley despite their character alignments). And to many non-fans, whose only exposure to the feud was by news sources discussing it throughout Trump's candidacy and presidency, they will fully sympathize with the [=McMahons=] and Umaga against Trump and Lashley.
9th May '17 4:04:45 PM thecarolinabull01
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* Certain tactics during matches today would earn a DQ from the ref while during the AttitudeEra or RuthlessAggressionEra they would only get a small warning. As such, older fans may find these tactics weak finishes to a match. Examples include:

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* Certain tactics during matches today would earn a DQ from the ref while during the AttitudeEra or RuthlessAggressionEra Wrestling/RuthlessAggressionEra they would only get a small warning. As such, older fans may find these tactics weak finishes to a match. Examples include:
9th May '17 4:03:07 PM thecarolinabull01
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* Certain tactics during matches today would earn a DQ from the ref while during the AttitudeEra or Ruthless Aggression Era they would only get a small warning. As such, older fans may find these tactics weak finishes to a match. Examples include:

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* Certain tactics during matches today would earn a DQ from the ref while during the AttitudeEra or Ruthless Aggression Era RuthlessAggressionEra they would only get a small warning. As such, older fans may find these tactics weak finishes to a match. Examples include:
8th May '17 5:17:27 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* In the 1950s, wrestling matches were commonly won by moves that modern viewers would find incredibly boring, such as the Head Vice, the Abdominal Stretch, and the Airplane Spin. One wrestling gimmick on the recent MTV series ''Wrestling Society X'' {{lampshade|Hanging}}d this: Matt Classic (better known as Wrestling/ColtCabana) who'd been in suspended animation for five decades and used all three of the above moves as his finishers.

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* In the 1950s, wrestling matches were commonly won by moves that modern viewers would find incredibly boring, such as the Head Vice, the Abdominal Stretch, and the Airplane Spin. One wrestling gimmick on the recent MTV series ''Wrestling Society X'' ''Wrestling/WrestlingSocietyX'' {{lampshade|Hanging}}d this: Matt Classic (better known as Wrestling/ColtCabana) who'd been in suspended animation for five decades and used all three of the above moves as his finishers.
8th May '17 5:15:47 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* Up until the 1980s, it was taboo for a man to even so much as threaten a woman, be she a fan, a wrestler or a valet. While comedian Andy Kaufman once had an act where he would wrestle a woman, the objective was never to injure the woman; this was more for showmanship and to sell his act to a male audience. The changes came in the late 1980s, when Wrestling/MissElizabeth the valet (and real-life wife) of Wrestling/RandySavage was shoved by the Wrestling/HonkyTonkMan, had her wrist and ankle broken by various heels, was slapped by Wrestling/JakeRoberts (after being made to beg for Savage's well-being), had her name sullied by Bad News Brown, and was constantly threatened, all to the outrage of the face-leaning announcers; at one time, Wrestling/AndreTheGiant grabbed Elizabeth's hair and was planning to brutally injure her, but Roberts -- several years before he himself slapped Elizabeth -- stopped the whole thing. While Elizabeth was a face, the face-leaning announcers would invariably cheer when the heel [[Wrestling/SherriMartel Sensational Sherri]] was knocked around, usually by the Wrestling/UltimateWarrior[!]. At the same time, heelish announcer Wrestling/JesseVentura condemned Sherri being beaten up but blamed Elizabeth when she was in danger. (Even Wrestling/BobbyHeenan, during "Tuesday in Texas," was shocked when Roberts slapped Elizabeth, sure that a [=DDT=] was coming.)
** During the late 1990s and early 2000s, it was common to see men beating up women. Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin was known to give "stunners" to multiple women, including Stephanie [=McMahon=] Linda [=McMahon=], Wrestling/{{Chyna}} and Wrestling/StacyKeibler, all to loud cheers of the audience. But when Wrestling/{{Umaga}} brutally beat super-hot WWE diva [[Wrestling/MariaKanellis Maria]] during a match, and later, when the 7-foot-3 Great Khali began choking the life and shaking like a rag doll super-sexy diva Wrestling/AshleyMassaro to the point where she began bleeding from the mouth, the fans were outraged.

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* Up until the 1980s, it was taboo for a man to even so much as threaten a woman, be she a fan, a wrestler or a valet. While comedian Andy Kaufman once had an act where he would wrestle a woman, the objective was never to injure the woman; this was more for showmanship and to sell his act to a male audience. The changes came in the late 1980s, when Wrestling/MissElizabeth the valet (and real-life wife) of Wrestling/RandySavage was shoved by the Wrestling/HonkyTonkMan, had her wrist and ankle broken by various heels, was slapped by Wrestling/JakeRoberts (after being made to beg for Savage's well-being), had her name sullied by [[Wrestling/AllenCoage Bad News Brown, Brown]], and was constantly threatened, all to the outrage of the face-leaning announcers; at one time, Wrestling/AndreTheGiant grabbed Elizabeth's hair and was planning to brutally injure her, but Roberts -- several years before he himself slapped Elizabeth -- stopped the whole thing. While Elizabeth was a face, the face-leaning announcers would invariably cheer when the heel [[Wrestling/SherriMartel Sensational Sherri]] was knocked around, usually by the Wrestling/UltimateWarrior[!]. At the same time, heelish announcer Wrestling/JesseVentura condemned Sherri being beaten up but blamed Elizabeth when she was in danger. (Even Wrestling/BobbyHeenan, during "Tuesday in Texas," was shocked when Roberts slapped Elizabeth, sure that a [=DDT=] was coming.)
** During the late 1990s and early 2000s, it was common to see men beating up women. Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin was known to give "stunners" to multiple women, including Stephanie [=McMahon=] Linda [=McMahon=], Wrestling/{{Chyna}} and Wrestling/StacyKeibler, all to loud cheers of the audience. But when Wrestling/{{Umaga}} brutally beat super-hot WWE diva [[Wrestling/MariaKanellis Maria]] during a match, and later, when the 7-foot-3 Great Khali began choking the life and shaking like a rag doll super-sexy diva Wrestling/AshleyMassaro to the point where she began [[BloodFromTheMouth bleeding from the mouth, mouth]], the fans were outraged.



* Masks used to be incredibly common in USA wrestling and still are in Latin American Wrestling, especially Mexico thanks to the legendary careers of The Masked Marvel, The Blue Demon, Wrestling/ElSanto, Atlantis, Mascarita Sagrada, Wrestling/{{Mistico}} ect, the [[HumiliatingWager ever popular mask vs mask wager]] and TheReveal that follows. In the USA though, masks fell out of favor in the so called "Rock N' Wrestling Era" when wrestling was crossing over with other forms of media such as movies and cartoons, leaving wrestlers to think masks would hamper their marketing value even though they never stopped Mexicans from getting movies or comics. However, with the rise of the internet, masks started making a small comeback in the 50 states as they were one of the surefire ways to force a gap between professional and private life, helping keep the mystique of TheGimmick-Wrestling/KaijuBigBattel and Wrestling/{{Chikara}} in particular ran with this.

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* Masks used to be incredibly common in USA wrestling and still are in Latin American Wrestling, especially Mexico thanks to the legendary careers of The Masked Marvel, The Blue Demon, Wrestling/ElSanto, Atlantis, Mascarita Sagrada, Wrestling/{{Mistico}} ect, the [[HumiliatingWager ever popular mask vs mask wager]] and TheReveal that follows. In the USA though, masks fell out of favor in the so called "Rock N' Wrestling Era" when wrestling was crossing over with other forms of media such as movies and cartoons, leaving wrestlers to think masks would hamper their marketing value even though they never stopped Mexicans from getting movies or comics. However, with the rise of the internet, masks started making a small comeback in the 50 states as they were one of the surefire ways to force a gap between professional and private life, helping keep the mystique of TheGimmick-Wrestling/KaijuBigBattel TheGimmick. Wrestling/KaijuBigBattel and Wrestling/{{Chikara}} in particular ran with this.
9th Sep '15 9:22:53 AM thecarolinabull01
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* It can be pretty offensive watching WWE's heel Divas go about their slutty antics. But older or conservative viewers are liable to get a dissonant feeling while watching ''face'' Divas behave the exact same way. Candice Michelle was particularly guilty of this: even as a face, she would sometimes plant a pseudo-lesbian kiss on other face Divas such as Wrestling/TorrieWilson, deeply troubling some viewers [[GirlOnGirlIsHot while inevitably delighting others]]. Wrestling/MickieJames's PsychoLesbian also almost completely failed to get over anyway that wasn't positive, as she was never booed for an extended amount of time despite quickly dropping all her previous sympathetic traits.

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* It can be pretty offensive watching WWE's heel Divas go about their slutty antics. But older or conservative viewers are liable to get a dissonant feeling while watching ''face'' Divas behave the exact same way. Candice Michelle Wrestling/CandiceMichelle was particularly guilty of this: even as a face, she would sometimes plant a pseudo-lesbian kiss on other face Divas such as Wrestling/TorrieWilson, deeply troubling some viewers [[GirlOnGirlIsHot while inevitably delighting others]]. Wrestling/MickieJames's PsychoLesbian also almost completely failed to get over anyway that wasn't positive, as she was never booed for an extended amount of time despite quickly dropping all her previous sympathetic traits.



** During the late 1990s and early 2000s, it was common to see men beating up women. Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin was known to give "stunners" to multiple women, including Stephanie [=McMahon=] Linda [=McMahon=], Wrestling/{{Chyna}} and Wrestling/StacyKeibler, all to loud cheers of the audience. But when Wrestling/{{Umaga}} brutally beat super-hot WWE diva Maria during a match, and later, when the 7-foot-3 Great Khali began choking the life and shaking like a rag doll super-sexy diva Ashley Massaro to the point where she began bleeding from the mouth, the fans were outraged.

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** During the late 1990s and early 2000s, it was common to see men beating up women. Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin was known to give "stunners" to multiple women, including Stephanie [=McMahon=] Linda [=McMahon=], Wrestling/{{Chyna}} and Wrestling/StacyKeibler, all to loud cheers of the audience. But when Wrestling/{{Umaga}} brutally beat super-hot WWE diva Maria [[Wrestling/MariaKanellis Maria]] during a match, and later, when the 7-foot-3 Great Khali began choking the life and shaking like a rag doll super-sexy diva Ashley Massaro Wrestling/AshleyMassaro to the point where she began bleeding from the mouth, the fans were outraged.
1st Jul '15 10:50:17 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* Pro Wrestling around the world varies according to perception and style, and wrestlers who work in multiple countries tend to adapt their style to the local brand. It also varies with time. For the USA, during television's infancy in the 1950s, wrestling matches were mostly just wrestling and if they weren't it involved mostly punching. In the 1980s, it began to be considered an addictive, but cheesy soap opera. In the 1990s, talking, entrances and promos greatly outpaced matches themselves, which also tended to have even more brawling and use of weapons than actual wrestling. At its lowest points worst, USA wrestling is sideshow, at times, literally for concerts and such. Big time wrestling (read: Wrestling/{{WWE}} and Wrestling/{{TNA}}) has become increasingly scripted, with emphasis on storyline and "high spots" (big stunts and {{signature move}}s).

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* Pro Wrestling around the world varies according to perception and style, and wrestlers who work in multiple countries tend to adapt their style to the local brand. It also varies with time. For the USA, during television's infancy in the 1950s, wrestling matches were mostly just wrestling and if they weren't it involved mostly punching. In the 1980s, it began to be considered an addictive, but cheesy soap opera. In the 1990s, talking, entrances and promos greatly outpaced matches themselves, which also tended to have even more brawling and use of weapons than actual wrestling. At its lowest points worst, USA wrestling is sideshow, at times, literally for concerts and such. Big time wrestling (read: Wrestling/{{WWE}} and Wrestling/{{TNA}}) has become increasingly scripted, with emphasis on storyline and "high spots" (big stunts and {{signature move}}s). Terminology too, as calling a pro wrestling angle a "storyline" would be considered an insult prior to 1989.
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