History ValuesDissonance / ProfessionalWrestling

1st Apr '18 1:11:44 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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** Wrestling/{{Layla}} El got [[Wrestling/MichelleMcCool her partner]] disqualified by throwing a shoe into the ring. Teddy Long did this in a match between [[Wrestling/CarleneMoore Jazz]] and Wrestling/TrishStratus in 2003. All he got was a stern word from the ref.

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** Wrestling/{{Layla}} El got [[Wrestling/MichelleMcCool her partner]] disqualified by throwing a shoe into the ring. Teddy Long Wrestling/TeddyLong did this in a match between [[Wrestling/CarleneMoore Jazz]] and Wrestling/TrishStratus in 2003. All he got was a stern word from the ref.



** During the "Wrestling/{{N|ational Wrestling Alliance}}WA invasion" storyline in the [[Wrestling/{{WWE}} then-WWF]], this was among the rules that were in effect in an NWA title match which were known as "NWA Rules." Another one of those rules was that going up on the top turnbuckle would initiate a five-count where afterwards one would be disqualified if the competitor did not come back down.
* 'Badass' characters in wrestling are often seen drinking beer as part of their gimmick (Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin, the APA, and [[Wrestling/JimFullington The Sandman]] spring to mind). This is because in the US drinking is supposed to be an 'adult' thing and the young audience will assume this indicates the character is rebellious. However, said wrestler is usually drinking Budweiser, which to people in the UK is considered quite a weak beer and would have very little effect on one's personality. This would certainly not be enough to turn you into the fighting machine gimmick writers would have you believe it does. Coupled with the fact that many people in the UK (and Europe) start drinking at home when they are around 13 or 14, the overall effect is of the character trying too hard to be cool.
** This gimmick might not work anymore in the US either, since a character well known for ''never'' drinking alcohol is Wrestling/CMPunk, and he is ''incredibly'' cool.

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** During the "Wrestling/{{N|ational Wrestling Alliance}}WA invasion" storyline angle in the [[Wrestling/{{WWE}} then-WWF]], this was among the rules that were in effect in an NWA title match which were known as "NWA Rules." Another one of those rules was that going up on the top turnbuckle would initiate a five-count where afterwards one would be disqualified if the competitor did not come back down.
* 'Badass' characters in wrestling are often seen drinking beer as part of their gimmick (Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin, the APA, [[Wrestling/JohnBradshawLayfield A]]P[[Wrestling/RonSimmons A]], and [[Wrestling/JimFullington The Sandman]] spring to mind). This is because in the US drinking is supposed to be an 'adult' thing and the young audience will assume this indicates the character is rebellious. However, said wrestler is usually drinking Budweiser, which to people in the UK is considered quite a weak beer and would have very little effect on one's personality. This would certainly not be enough to turn you into the fighting machine gimmick writers would have you believe it does. Coupled with the fact that many people in the UK (and Europe) start drinking at home when they are around 13 or 14, the overall effect is of the character trying too hard to be cool.
** This gimmick might not work anymore in the US either, since a character wrestler well known for ''never'' drinking alcohol is Wrestling/CMPunk, and he is ''incredibly'' cool.



** Somewhat subverted with Jack Swagger's heel run, which took popular conservative idealogies and turned them into cartoonishly exaggerated villainous versions. However to some people, [[StrawmanHasAPoint he and Zeb were right.]] See also, JBL's 2004 feud with Eddie Guerrero.

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** Somewhat subverted with Jack Swagger's Wrestling/JackSwagger's heel run, which took popular conservative idealogies and turned them into cartoonishly exaggerated villainous versions. However to some people, [[StrawmanHasAPoint he and Zeb were right.]] See also, JBL's 2004 feud with Eddie Guerrero.Wrestling/EddieGuerrero.
7th Mar '18 9:38:32 AM Frankencastle
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** In all fairness, using weak beer is probably [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] since Professional Wrestling, even when all possible reasonable precautions have been taken, is still pretty dangerous even when everyone involved is sober. [[Wrestling/JeffHardy You wouldn't want a wrestler in the ring under the influence of a mind-altering substance after all]]; that would just be stupid.
7th Mar '18 9:35:36 AM Frankencastle
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* Pro Wrestling around the world varies according to perception and style, and wrestlers who work in multiple countries tend to adapt their style to the local brand. It also varies with time. For the USA, during television's infancy in the 1950s, wrestling matches were mostly just wrestling and if they weren't it involved mostly punching. In the 1980s, it began to be considered an addictive, but cheesy soap opera. In the 1990s, talking, entrances and promos greatly outpaced matches themselves, which also tended to have even more brawling and use of weapons than actual wrestling. At its lowest points worst, USA wrestling is sideshow, at times, literally for concerts and such. Big time wrestling (read: Wrestling/{{WWE}} and Wrestling/{{TNA}}) has become increasingly scripted, with emphasis on storyline and "high spots" (big stunts and {{signature move}}s). Terminology too, as calling a pro wrestling angle a "storyline" would be considered an insult prior to 1989.

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* Pro Wrestling around the world varies according to perception and style, and wrestlers who work in multiple countries tend to adapt their style to the local brand. It also varies with time. For the USA, In America, during television's infancy in the 1950s, wrestling matches were mostly just wrestling and if they weren't it involved mostly punching. In the 1980s, it began to be considered an addictive, but cheesy soap opera. In the 1990s, talking, entrances and promos greatly outpaced matches themselves, which also tended to have even more brawling and use of weapons than actual wrestling. At its lowest points worst, USA American wrestling is treated as a sideshow, at times, literally for concerts and such. Big time wrestling (read: Wrestling/{{WWE}} and Wrestling/{{TNA}}) has become increasingly scripted, with emphasis on storyline and "high spots" (big stunts and {{signature move}}s). Terminology too, as calling a pro wrestling angle a "storyline" would be considered an insult prior to 1989.



* UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump was the {{face}} in his feud with the [=McMahon=] family (he was a Democrat at the time). Ten years after the fact, Trump is the Republican president of the United States, and is incredibly reviled and feared by those in his former party. To many fans, personal feelings towards Trump make it very difficult to root for Wrestling/BobbyLashley (Trump's client at ''WrestleMania 23'') in his feud against Wrestling/{{Umaga}} (Vince's client), even if they know exactly how they were booked (that, and the fact that Umaga's always been much more liked by hardcore fans than Lashley despite their character alignments). And to many non-fans, whose only exposure to the feud was by news sources discussing it throughout Trump's candidacy and presidency, they will fully sympathize with the [=McMahons=] and Umaga against Trump and Lashley.



* Masks used to be incredibly common in USA wrestling and still are in Latin American Wrestling, especially Mexico thanks to the legendary careers of The Masked Marvel, The Blue Demon, Wrestling/ElSanto, Atlantis, Mascarita Sagrada, Wrestling/{{Mistico}} etc, the [[HumiliatingWager ever popular mask vs mask wager]] and TheReveal that follows. In the USA though, masks fell out of favor in the so called "Rock N' Wrestling Era" when wrestling was crossing over with other forms of media such as movies and cartoons, leaving wrestlers to think masks would hamper their marketing value even though they never stopped Mexicans from getting movies or comics. However, with the rise of the internet, masks started making a small comeback in the 50 states as they were one of the surefire ways to force a gap between professional and private life, helping keep the mystique of TheGimmick. Wrestling/KaijuBigBattel and Wrestling/{{Chikara}} in particular ran with this.

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* Masks used to be incredibly common in USA the American wrestling and still are in Latin American Wrestling, especially Mexico thanks to the legendary careers of The Masked Marvel, The Blue Demon, Wrestling/ElSanto, Atlantis, Mascarita Sagrada, Wrestling/{{Mistico}} etc, the [[HumiliatingWager ever popular mask vs mask wager]] and TheReveal that follows. In the USA America though, masks fell out of favor in the so called "Rock N' Wrestling Era" when wrestling was crossing over with other forms of media such as movies and cartoons, leaving wrestlers to think masks would hamper their marketing value even though they never stopped Mexicans from getting movies or comics. However, with the rise of the internet, masks started making a small comeback in the 50 states as they were one of the surefire ways to force a gap between professional and private life, helping keep the mystique of TheGimmick. Wrestling/KaijuBigBattel and Wrestling/{{Chikara}} in particular ran with this.
3rd Feb '18 12:14:57 PM BackLash
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* Back in the old days, throwing another wrestler over the top rope was an automatic DQ. Wrestling/{{WCW}} actually made an angle out of it, when main eventer Wrestling/LexLuger threw midcarder Buff Bagwell over the top rope - and Bagwell immediately [[RulesLawyer demanded his win via DQ]]. He got it, and the rule was afterwards officially removed from the rulebook due to being antiquated.

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* Back in the old days, throwing another wrestler over the top rope was an automatic DQ. Wrestling/{{WCW}} actually made an angle out of it, when main eventer Wrestling/LexLuger threw midcarder Buff Bagwell Wrestling/BuffBagwell over the top rope - and Bagwell immediately [[RulesLawyer demanded his win via DQ]]. He got it, and the rule was afterwards officially removed from the rulebook due to being antiquated.
23rd Sep '17 10:42:27 AM nombretomado
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* Certain tactics during matches today would earn a DQ from the ref while during the AttitudeEra or Wrestling/RuthlessAggressionEra they would only get a small warning. As such, older fans may find these tactics weak finishes to a match. Examples include:

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* Certain tactics during matches today would earn a DQ from the ref while during the AttitudeEra Wrestling/AttitudeEra or Wrestling/RuthlessAggressionEra they would only get a small warning. As such, older fans may find these tactics weak finishes to a match. Examples include:
29th Jul '17 9:39:04 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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* Masks used to be incredibly common in USA wrestling and still are in Latin American Wrestling, especially Mexico thanks to the legendary careers of The Masked Marvel, The Blue Demon, Wrestling/ElSanto, Atlantis, Mascarita Sagrada, Wrestling/{{Mistico}} ect, the [[HumiliatingWager ever popular mask vs mask wager]] and TheReveal that follows. In the USA though, masks fell out of favor in the so called "Rock N' Wrestling Era" when wrestling was crossing over with other forms of media such as movies and cartoons, leaving wrestlers to think masks would hamper their marketing value even though they never stopped Mexicans from getting movies or comics. However, with the rise of the internet, masks started making a small comeback in the 50 states as they were one of the surefire ways to force a gap between professional and private life, helping keep the mystique of TheGimmick. Wrestling/KaijuBigBattel and Wrestling/{{Chikara}} in particular ran with this.

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* Masks used to be incredibly common in USA wrestling and still are in Latin American Wrestling, especially Mexico thanks to the legendary careers of The Masked Marvel, The Blue Demon, Wrestling/ElSanto, Atlantis, Mascarita Sagrada, Wrestling/{{Mistico}} ect, etc, the [[HumiliatingWager ever popular mask vs mask wager]] and TheReveal that follows. In the USA though, masks fell out of favor in the so called "Rock N' Wrestling Era" when wrestling was crossing over with other forms of media such as movies and cartoons, leaving wrestlers to think masks would hamper their marketing value even though they never stopped Mexicans from getting movies or comics. However, with the rise of the internet, masks started making a small comeback in the 50 states as they were one of the surefire ways to force a gap between professional and private life, helping keep the mystique of TheGimmick. Wrestling/KaijuBigBattel and Wrestling/{{Chikara}} in particular ran with this.
23rd Jul '17 5:09:49 PM LaptopGuy
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** During the late 1990s and early 2000s, it was common to see men beating up women. Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin was known to give "stunners" to multiple women, including Stephanie [=McMahon=] Linda [=McMahon=], Wrestling/{{Chyna}} and Wrestling/StacyKeibler, all to loud cheers of the audience. But when Wrestling/{{Umaga}} brutally beat super-hot WWE diva [[Wrestling/MariaKanellis Maria]] during a match, and later, when the 7-foot-3 Great Khali began choking the life and shaking like a rag doll super-sexy diva Wrestling/AshleyMassaro to the point where she began [[BloodFromTheMouth bleeding from the mouth]], the fans were outraged. Between this and their attempt to clean up the product post-Wrestling/ChrisBenoit led to all man-on-woman violence being banned.

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** During the late 1990s and early 2000s, it was common to see men beating up women. Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin was known to give "stunners" to multiple women, including Stephanie [=McMahon=] Linda [=McMahon=], Wrestling/{{Chyna}} and Wrestling/StacyKeibler, all to loud cheers of the audience. But when both Wrestling/KurtAngle and Wrestling/{{Umaga}} brutally beat super-hot WWE diva [[Wrestling/MariaKanellis Maria]] during a match, two different matches, and later, when the 7-foot-3 Great Khali began choking the life and shaking like a rag doll super-sexy diva Wrestling/AshleyMassaro to the point where she began [[BloodFromTheMouth bleeding from the mouth]], the fans were outraged. Between this and their attempt to clean up the product post-Wrestling/ChrisBenoit led to all man-on-woman violence being banned.
18th Jul '17 3:10:19 AM LaptopGuy
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** During the late 1990s and early 2000s, it was common to see men beating up women. Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin was known to give "stunners" to multiple women, including Stephanie [=McMahon=] Linda [=McMahon=], Wrestling/{{Chyna}} and Wrestling/StacyKeibler, all to loud cheers of the audience. But when Wrestling/{{Umaga}} brutally beat super-hot WWE diva [[Wrestling/MariaKanellis Maria]] during a match, and later, when the 7-foot-3 Great Khali began choking the life and shaking like a rag doll super-sexy diva Wrestling/AshleyMassaro to the point where she began [[BloodFromTheMouth bleeding from the mouth]], the fans were outraged.

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** During the late 1990s and early 2000s, it was common to see men beating up women. Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin was known to give "stunners" to multiple women, including Stephanie [=McMahon=] Linda [=McMahon=], Wrestling/{{Chyna}} and Wrestling/StacyKeibler, all to loud cheers of the audience. But when Wrestling/{{Umaga}} brutally beat super-hot WWE diva [[Wrestling/MariaKanellis Maria]] during a match, and later, when the 7-foot-3 Great Khali began choking the life and shaking like a rag doll super-sexy diva Wrestling/AshleyMassaro to the point where she began [[BloodFromTheMouth bleeding from the mouth]], the fans were outraged. Between this and their attempt to clean up the product post-Wrestling/ChrisBenoit led to all man-on-woman violence being banned.



** Wrestling/{{Layla}} El got her partner disqualified by throwing a shoe into the ring. Teddy Long did this in a match between [[Wrestling/CarleneMoore Jazz]] and Wrestling/TrishStratus in 2003. All he got was a stern word from the ref.

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** Wrestling/{{Layla}} El got [[Wrestling/MichelleMcCool her partner partner]] disqualified by throwing a shoe into the ring. Teddy Long did this in a match between [[Wrestling/CarleneMoore Jazz]] and Wrestling/TrishStratus in 2003. All he got was a stern word from the ref.



** Somewhat subverted with Jack Swagger's heel run, which took popular conservative idealogies and turned them into cartoonishly exaggerated villainous versions. However to some people, [[StrawmanHasAPoint he and Zeb were right.]]

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** Somewhat subverted with Jack Swagger's heel run, which took popular conservative idealogies and turned them into cartoonishly exaggerated villainous versions. However to some people, [[StrawmanHasAPoint he and Zeb were right.]]]] See also, JBL's 2004 feud with Eddie Guerrero.
* UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump was the {{face}} in his feud with the [=McMahon=] family (he was a Democrat at the time). Ten years after the fact, Trump is the Republican president of the United States, and is incredibly reviled and feared by those in his former party. To many fans, personal feelings towards Trump make it very difficult to root for Wrestling/BobbyLashley (Trump's client at ''WrestleMania 23'') in his feud against Wrestling/{{Umaga}} (Vince's client), even if they know exactly how they were booked (that, and the fact that Umaga's always been much more liked by hardcore fans than Lashley despite their character alignments). And to many non-fans, whose only exposure to the feud was by news sources discussing it throughout Trump's candidacy and presidency, they will fully sympathize with the [=McMahons=] and Umaga against Trump and Lashley.
9th May '17 4:04:45 PM thecarolinabull01
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* Certain tactics during matches today would earn a DQ from the ref while during the AttitudeEra or RuthlessAggressionEra they would only get a small warning. As such, older fans may find these tactics weak finishes to a match. Examples include:

to:

* Certain tactics during matches today would earn a DQ from the ref while during the AttitudeEra or RuthlessAggressionEra Wrestling/RuthlessAggressionEra they would only get a small warning. As such, older fans may find these tactics weak finishes to a match. Examples include:
9th May '17 4:03:07 PM thecarolinabull01
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* Certain tactics during matches today would earn a DQ from the ref while during the AttitudeEra or Ruthless Aggression Era they would only get a small warning. As such, older fans may find these tactics weak finishes to a match. Examples include:

to:

* Certain tactics during matches today would earn a DQ from the ref while during the AttitudeEra or Ruthless Aggression Era RuthlessAggressionEra they would only get a small warning. As such, older fans may find these tactics weak finishes to a match. Examples include:
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