History ValuesDissonance / Other

5th May '16 11:48:49 AM Jhonny
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* The word "race" is commonly used to refer to black, white and so on in English. It is also used as a shorthand for discussions about subjects having to do with that issue. (E.g. "the President has failed to address race"). A dictionary might tell you the German translation of that word is "Rasse", but if you use that word the same way as Americans you are in for a world of hurt. Many Germans will remind you that "Rasse" is a useless construct that does not actually exist. It's safe to say the national debates are ''very'' different, though the casual racism is NotSoDifferent at the same time that it manifests in different ways and against different groups.
5th May '16 11:42:11 AM Jhonny
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** Incidentally, occasional opinion polls have found very little enthusiasm for changing the name, even among local Native Americans, probably due to the GrandfatherClause.
** Similarly, while in the United States teams named after the natives raise controversy (along with the Redskins, there's the Cleveland Indians, Kansas City Chiefs and Atlanta Braves[[note]]plus the Chicago Blackhawks, named after an old chief and not much derided despite their logo, and the Golden State Warriors, [[ArtifactTitle who don't use Native American imagery ever since they moved to California]][[/note]]), in Latin America using such imagery doesn't create outrage. Examples include [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colo-Colo Colo-Colo]] from Chile and [[https://latasfc.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/guarani.jpg Guarani FC]] from Brazil.

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** Incidentally, occasional opinion polls have found very little enthusiasm for changing the name, even among local Native Americans, probably due to the GrandfatherClause.
GrandfatherClause. However, many Native American activists claim that the opinion polls among Native Americans are either highly misleading or not actually scientific. Given that some of them were made by or paid for the owners of the Washington NFL team, this subject is [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment somewhat controversial]].
** Similarly, while in the United States teams named after the natives raise controversy (along with the Redskins, there's the Cleveland Indians, Indians with their stereotypical logo, Kansas City Chiefs and Atlanta Braves[[note]]plus the Chicago Blackhawks, named after an old chief and not much derided despite their logo, and the Golden State Warriors, [[ArtifactTitle who don't use Native American imagery ever since they moved to California]][[/note]]), in Latin America using such imagery doesn't create outrage. Examples include [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colo-Colo Colo-Colo]] from Chile and [[https://latasfc.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/guarani.jpg Guarani FC]] from Brazil.
5th May '16 11:32:24 AM Jhonny
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** In other contexts the older one would be more acceptable. Calling for cyclists to wear helmets is a serious BerserkButton to many bike activists (especially in Europe) and some even believe it to be some sort of Conspiracy on part of the auto lobby. Just look who made the pro helmet ad.
5th May '16 11:24:31 AM Jhonny
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* The general attitudes "car is the default" versus "Cars are for uneducated rural bumpkins who are too stupid to ride the metro" are highly dependent upon the country, demographic group, and era you grew up in. A person from rural Kansas might look at you like you're from the moon if you suggest getting rid of a car, whereas some places in Switzerland ban cars, period. When those attitudes crash, the result is [[FlameBait not pretty]].
5th May '16 6:53:24 AM Briguy52748
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** Multiple editions of the game "Go To the Head Of The Class" - an education-based trivia/quiz game set to a one-room schoolhouse theme - had questions asking players identify brand names of cigarettes; even before the health risks became known, it was never socially acceptable for school-age children to smoke. Several other editions asked players questions concerning the nursery rhyme "I Love Little Pussy"; anyone who has not heard that poem may [[UnfortunateImplications get the wrong idea]], especially today, when children might have learned the poem as "I Love Little Kitty" ("kitty" being a synonym for "pussy," as in "pussycat") and never heard the original, since "pussy" has been a vulgar slang term for both "vagina" and "sex."

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** Multiple editions of the game "Go To the Head Of The Class" - an education-based trivia/quiz game set to a one-room schoolhouse theme - had questions asking players identify brand names of cigarettes; even before the health risks became known, it was never socially acceptable for school-age children to smoke.smoke, and such questions continued into at least into editions published in the late 1970s. Several other editions asked players questions concerning the nursery rhyme "I Love Little Pussy"; anyone who has not heard that poem may [[UnfortunateImplications get the wrong idea]], especially today, when children might have learned the poem as "I Love Little Kitty" ("kitty" being a synonym for "pussy," as in "pussycat") and never heard the original, since "pussy" has been a vulgar slang term for both "vagina" and "sex."
4th May '16 12:00:45 PM nightkiller
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* In an amusing example of values evolving over time, when Michael Sam was drafted to the St. Louis Rams in 2014, a huge fuss was made over the openly gay athlete [[GetBackInTheCloset kissing his boyfriend on national TV]]. However, nobody remotely cared about the couple being interracial.

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* In an amusing example of values evolving over time, when Michael Sam was drafted to the St. Louis Rams in 2014, a huge fuss was made over the openly gay athlete [[GetBackInTheCloset kissing his boyfriend on national TV]]. However, nobody remotely cared about few people commented on the couple being interracial.
4th May '16 11:59:01 AM nightkiller
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* No one today would name a sports team something like the "San Antonio Wetbacks", "Chicago Polacks", or "New York Darkies", yet we have no trouble with the [[UsefulNotes/NationalFootballLeague "Washington Redskins"]]. This recently became the focus of some media attention when the team had an argument with the US Patent and Trademark Office, who have a standing policy that ethnic slurs or other offensive language may not be protected by a trademark.

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* No one today would name a sports team something like the "San Antonio Wetbacks", "Chicago Polacks", or "New York Darkies", yet we many people have no trouble with the [[UsefulNotes/NationalFootballLeague "Washington Redskins"]]. This recently became the focus of some media attention when the team had an argument with the US Patent and Trademark Office, who have a standing policy that ethnic slurs or other offensive language may not be protected by a trademark.
4th May '16 5:56:47 AM Briguy52748
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* Commercials for Underoos brand underwear, once omnipresent on Saturday Morning TV vanished in the early 90s -- a combination of networks' programming targeting older kids and [[PaedoHunt increasing paranoia]] over anything that could even be implied to sexualize kids. Do a search for "Underoos" at Website/YouTube and judge for yourself. Early commercials called them "costumes" to [[LoopholeAbuse get away with showing them on TV]].

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* Commercials for Underoos brand underwear, once omnipresent on Saturday Morning TV (especially in the 1970s through early 1980s) vanished in by the early 90s 1990s -- a combination of networks' programming targeting older kids and [[PaedoHunt increasing paranoia]] over anything that could even be implied to sexualize kids. Do a search for "Underoos" at Website/YouTube and judge for yourself. Early commercials called them "costumes" to [[LoopholeAbuse get away with showing them on TV]].



** At least one of the quiz booklets from the game "Go To the Head Of The Class" - an education-based trivia/quiz game set to a one-room schoolhouse theme - had an Advertising category, wherein a player could be asked to identify the slogan for Winston cigarettes. Another question in the same edition asked players to identify the next line in "I Love Little Pussy" (answer: "Her coat is so warm"); anyone who has not heard that poem may [[UnfortunateImplications get the wrong idea]], especially today, when children might have learned the poem as "I Love Little Kitty" ("kitty" being a synonym for "pussy") and never heard the original, since "pussy" has been a vulgar slang term for both "vagina" and "sex."

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** At least one Multiple editions of the quiz booklets from the game "Go To the Head Of The Class" - an education-based trivia/quiz game set to a one-room schoolhouse theme - had an Advertising category, wherein a player could be asked to questions asking players identify brand names of cigarettes; even before the slogan health risks became known, it was never socially acceptable for Winston cigarettes. Another question in the same edition school-age children to smoke. Several other editions asked players to identify questions concerning the next line in nursery rhyme "I Love Little Pussy" (answer: "Her coat is so warm"); Pussy"; anyone who has not heard that poem may [[UnfortunateImplications get the wrong idea]], especially today, when children might have learned the poem as "I Love Little Kitty" ("kitty" being a synonym for "pussy") "pussy," as in "pussycat") and never heard the original, since "pussy" has been a vulgar slang term for both "vagina" and "sex."
2nd May '16 5:34:52 PM Kid
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* In The Disney Short, '''I'm No Fool''', had two on fire safety, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDndRPIkilk 1955]] and a remake in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7r74mnvmCk 1986]], the 1986 version included the following: exit drills, smoke detectors, stop-drop-and-roll, and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUojO1HvC8c fire extinguishers]]. Today, such method in the 1986 version is now the norm. There are now web videos, mostly from Howcast, that have fire safety videos such as the following: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxQoTuwD05I Practice]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VoIMFyUi6Q putting out grease fire]] safety.

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* In The Disney Short, Short '''I'm No Fool''', Fool''' had two on fire safety, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDndRPIkilk 1955]] and a remake in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7r74mnvmCk 1986]], the 1986]]. The 1986 version included the following: exit drills, smoke detectors, stop-drop-and-roll, and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUojO1HvC8c fire extinguishers]]. Today, such method in the 1986 version is now the norm. There are now web videos, mostly from Howcast, that have fire safety videos such as the following: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxQoTuwD05I Practice]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VoIMFyUi6Q putting out grease fire]] safety.
2nd May '16 5:32:17 PM Kid
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** It's also important to note that the film is ''trying'' to describe a very real danger which is recognized today- that of older men grooming youngsters for sexual abuse. The dissonance comes from the false assumption that all homosexuals were involved in this sort of behaviour, a view that whilst still prevalent is likely to mark you out as ignorant and prejudiced these days, certainly not one for PSAs.

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** It's also important to note that the film is ''trying'' to describe a very real danger which is recognized today- that today--that of older men grooming youngsters for sexual abuse. The dissonance comes from the false assumption that all homosexuals were involved in this sort of behaviour, a view that whilst still prevalent is likely to mark you out as ignorant and prejudiced these days, certainly not one for PSAs.[=PSA=]s.
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