History ValuesDissonance / Other

22nd Jan '16 10:21:07 PM nombretomado
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* TheSeventies comedy star [[TheGoodies Bill Oddie]] ran into trouble in the 1990's by failing to grasp the nature of comedy had changed, and some of the personas that had made him famous in TheSixties were no longer politically correct. ''Rastus Watermelon'' was a sound-only character Bill invented in voice only for the {{Radio}} precursor, ''Radio/ImSorryIllReadThatAgain'', a stereotyped black man he later reprised in blackface, as part of TheGoodies. [[note]]In common with other ISIRTA voices recycled for the show, his appearance drew a huge cheer from the studio audience. This sort of reaction is ''hard'' for a comedian to let go of.[[/note]] Bill Oddie seemed unable to grasp this character had become politically uncorrect with the years and became visibly angry when gently told by StephenFry he could not use this, and other familiar radio voices, during a 1990's comedy benefit show Fry was producing. Bill had also written a comedy song which relied on long-outdated comedy about gay stereotypes. As it was for an AIDS charity benefit, Fry said this was out too. While Oddie later apologised, the spat was embarrassing and unedifying to those who witnessed it, and may have contributed to Bill retiring from active comedy performance to concentrate on his natural history shows.
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* TheSeventies comedy star [[TheGoodies Bill Oddie]] ran into trouble in the 1990's by failing to grasp the nature of comedy had changed, and some of the personas that had made him famous in TheSixties were no longer politically correct. ''Rastus Watermelon'' was a sound-only character Bill invented in voice only for the {{Radio}} precursor, ''Radio/ImSorryIllReadThatAgain'', a stereotyped black man he later reprised in blackface, as part of TheGoodies. [[note]]In common with other ISIRTA voices recycled for the show, his appearance drew a huge cheer from the studio audience. This sort of reaction is ''hard'' for a comedian to let go of.[[/note]] Bill Oddie seemed unable to grasp this character had become politically uncorrect with the years and became visibly angry when gently told by StephenFry Creator/StephenFry he could not use this, and other familiar radio voices, during a 1990's comedy benefit show Fry was producing. Bill had also written a comedy song which relied on long-outdated comedy about gay stereotypes. As it was for an AIDS charity benefit, Fry said this was out too. While Oddie later apologised, the spat was embarrassing and unedifying to those who witnessed it, and may have contributed to Bill retiring from active comedy performance to concentrate on his natural history shows.
22nd Jan '16 10:14:03 PM IlGreven
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* The Washington Wizards' most recent name change was due to a form of this, when then-owner Abe Pollin announced the change from the Washington Bullets due to his uneasiness of having a team named the "Bullets" in a city known for its high violent crime rate.
5th Jan '16 5:26:33 PM RobTan
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** In another example of prejudices changing over time, Kenny Washington, the football player who broke the NFL's color barrier originally planned to play baseball, but failed to make it due to refusing to pretend to be Puerto Rican instead of African-American. In the Jim Crow era, having a Hispanic play major league baseball would be much more socially acceptable than a black man. Fast forward to 2013, and black athletes playing alongside whites in any sport, including baseball, is considered normal; however, when Cuban-born player Yeonis Cespedes gave an interview in his native Spanish, some people raged at the idea of a Hispanic immigrant playing the "American pasttime". Indeed, the growing number of Hispanic athletes finding success at the sport is often met with anger at a time when anti-immigrant sentiment is prevalent.
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** In another example of prejudices changing over time, Kenny Washington, the football player who broke the NFL's color barrier originally planned to play baseball, but failed to make it due to refusing to pretend to be Puerto Rican instead of African-American. In the Jim Crow era, having a Hispanic play Latino player in major league baseball would be was much more socially acceptable than a black man. Fast forward to 2013, and black athletes playing alongside whites in any sport, including baseball, is considered normal; however, when Cuban-born player Yeonis Cespedes gave an interview in his native Spanish, some people raged at the idea of a Hispanic immigrant playing the "American pasttime". Indeed, the growing number of Hispanic athletes finding success at the sport is often met with anger at a time when anti-immigrant sentiment is prevalent.
9th Dec '15 2:16:53 AM GoblinCipher
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The tropes page is not a place for political debate. The original statement is true, and arguing about whether or not is SHOULD be true belongs in the forums, not here.
** Though this goes both ways, with people laughing about jokes that may be in bad taste or really are just harmless jabs, while other people get offended by them and those latter types are seen as over-sensitive by the vast majority and should just relax a little.
7th Dec '15 8:10:59 AM LahmacunKebab
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** TheSeventies comedy star [[TheGoodies Bill Oddie]] ran into trouble in the 1990's by failing to grasp the nature of comedy had changed, and some of the personas that had made him famous in TheSixties were no longer politically correct. ''Rastus Watermelon'' was a sound-only character Bill invented in voice only for the {{Radio}} precursor, ''Radio/ImSorryIllReadThatAgain'', a stereotyped black man he later reprised in blackface, as part of TheGoodies. [[note]]In common with other ISIRTA voices recycled for the show, his appearance drew a huge cheer from the studio audience. This sort of reaction is ''hard'' for a comedian to let go of.[[/note]] Bill Oddie seemed unable to grasp this character had become politically uncorrect with the years and became visibly angry when gently told by StephenFry he could not use this, and other familiar radio voices, during a 1990's comedy benefit show Fry was producing. Bill had also written a comedy song which relied on long-outdated comedy about gay stereotypes. As it was for an AIDS charity benefit, Fry said this was out too. While Oddie later apologised, the spat was embarrassing and unedifying to those who witnessed it, and may have contributed to Bill retiring from active comedy performance to concentrate on his natural history shows.
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** * TheSeventies comedy star [[TheGoodies Bill Oddie]] ran into trouble in the 1990's by failing to grasp the nature of comedy had changed, and some of the personas that had made him famous in TheSixties were no longer politically correct. ''Rastus Watermelon'' was a sound-only character Bill invented in voice only for the {{Radio}} precursor, ''Radio/ImSorryIllReadThatAgain'', a stereotyped black man he later reprised in blackface, as part of TheGoodies. [[note]]In common with other ISIRTA voices recycled for the show, his appearance drew a huge cheer from the studio audience. This sort of reaction is ''hard'' for a comedian to let go of.[[/note]] Bill Oddie seemed unable to grasp this character had become politically uncorrect with the years and became visibly angry when gently told by StephenFry he could not use this, and other familiar radio voices, during a 1990's comedy benefit show Fry was producing. Bill had also written a comedy song which relied on long-outdated comedy about gay stereotypes. As it was for an AIDS charity benefit, Fry said this was out too. While Oddie later apologised, the spat was embarrassing and unedifying to those who witnessed it, and may have contributed to Bill retiring from active comedy performance to concentrate on his natural history shows.

* The importance of Holidays varies greatly, not just place-to-place, but also generation to generation. Most notably in the United States, while Christmas is the undisputed champion of holidays, it's chief rival tends to be Thanksgiving among people middle-aged-and up, and Halloween among Generation X and Millenials.
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* The importance of Holidays varies greatly, not just place-to-place, but also generation to generation. Most notably in the United States, States; while Christmas is the undisputed champion of holidays, it's its chief rival tends to be Thanksgiving among people middle-aged-and up, and Halloween among Generation X and Millenials.
7th Dec '15 8:04:19 AM LahmacunKebab
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* Almost all religions come with a prepackaged moral code. Most of them contradicts each other in some sense, though if one considers only relation between believers, most of them are surprisingly similar. The most known points of conflict are polygamy/polyamory, sexual perversions and sex outside marriage.
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* Almost all religions come with a prepackaged moral code. Most of them contradicts contradict each other in some sense, though if one considers only relation between believers, most of them are surprisingly similar. The most known points of conflict are polygamy/polyamory, sexual perversions and sex outside marriage.
7th Dec '15 6:37:37 AM LahmacunKebab
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* ''Fanfic/ThePrayerWarriors'' have a set of values (it's acceptable to kill people who don't share your religion, who are homosexuals, or who are rape ''victims'' that didn't cry out loudly enough) that is quite different from many people, including their fellow Christians, to say the least. This trope is actually acknowledged in-story when [[Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians Grover]] sees [[TakeThatCritics Benry dealing drugs to Rika and Books]], and acknowledges that dealing drugs is (according to him), legal in Soviet Russia, but as it is illegal under US law, [[InsaneTrollLogic he has to kill Benry to enforce US law]].
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* ''Fanfic/ThePrayerWarriors'' have a set of values (it's acceptable to kill people who don't share your religion, who are homosexuals, or who are rape ''victims'' that didn't cry out loudly enough) that is quite different from many people, including their fellow Christians, to say the least. This trope is actually acknowledged in-story when [[Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians Grover]] sees [[TakeThatCritics Benry dealing drugs to Rika and Books]], and acknowledges that dealing drugs is (according to him), him) legal in Soviet Russia, but as it is illegal under US law, [[InsaneTrollLogic he has to kill Benry to enforce US law]].
3rd Dec '15 1:28:45 AM thrall-demonsweat
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* Violence in sport has become a major source of values dissonance. It's not uncommon to come across hockey and football fans who laud the days of aggressive hits, and in the case of hockey, fights. The 1980s and early 1990s NHL exemplified this, when fighting and brawls were practically over the top, especially in the Norris Division (Which was nicknamed the "Chuck Norris Division" for this very reason). ** The 2000s saw the biggest catalysts to change these views. Once the apparent ugly consequences of this violence was too obvious to be denied, the attitudes changed. Concussions were better understood and demanded more respect. Both leagues were sued. The code of the NHL for many years was that of enforcers keeping the game clean from the dirty cheap-shot artists who would injure players, especially star players. But then the Todd Bertuzzi-Steve Moore incident bore an ugly example of the NHL's "culture of revenge". While a freak occurrence, it made the fans understand that they can't crave the violence, but then refuse to be held accountable for it. The WWE went through this with the Chris Benoit double-murder suicide, once autopsy results revealed that the man was almost half brain dead when he committed the horrible crimes. And a career of violent shots and untreated concussions caused it. And ECW? Let's just say that men and women doing everything short of hacking themselves to pieces inside the ring didn't promote an example of a league looking out for the best interests of its athletes. The concussion age brought a lot of this over the top violence in sports to an end, and despite many fans wishes, it won't be coming back. There's simply too much accountability for it anymore.
10th Nov '15 9:44:40 AM backpack
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* The importance of Holidays varies greatly, not just place-to-place, but also generation to generation. Most notably in the United States, while Christmas is the undisputed champion of holidays, it's chief rival tends to be Thanksgiving among people middle-aged-and up, and Halloween among Generation X and Millenials.
7th Nov '15 1:52:43 PM Softy
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* Fire Safety videos done before 1965 have also come under... well... fire for not including smoke detectors, which didn't become common in the home until the said date. The Discovery Network [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxSvpd_RRXk even includes wildfires]] as part of today's fire safety videos.
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* Fire Safety videos done before 1965 have also come under... well... fire for not including smoke detectors, which didn't become common in the home until the said date.around that time. The Discovery Network [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxSvpd_RRXk even includes wildfires]] as part of today's fire safety videos.
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