History ValuesDissonance / LiveActionTV

20th Jul '16 3:21:03 PM SamuraiGal
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*** Hell the way Batman and Robin themselves talked to Batgirl sometimes could be seen this way, with them repeatedly telling her to 'leave the crime fighting to the men', sometimes not even thanking her for saving their lives but chiding her for being late, and the fact that SHE was often the one to get knocked out first in fights or get captured.
16th Jul '16 11:12:58 PM BigKlingy
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** A plot point of Chandler and Monica's wedding was that Chandler didn't want his father to attend the wedding because he was a cross dresser.


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** Another moment from an earlier episode that causes dissonance between countries. One episode had a subplot about the three members of the group with less well-paying jobs (Rachel, Joey and Phoebe) being frustrated by the other three always taking them to eat out "someplace nice", not realising they can't really afford the food. After they voice these concerns, Ross, Monica and Chandler later surprise them by arranging to take them out to an expensive resteraunt, completley on them. This seems like a kind and selfless gesture to many viewers, but how do Rachel, Joey and Phoebe react? They're ''outraged'', saying their gesture "makes them feel 'this big'" and refuse on principle, not wanting to be part of a "poor friends outreach program". To many viewers outside America, refusing a generous offer by your friends comes off as extremely rude, and what Ross, Monica and Chandler did would be considered friendly, not patronizing.
16th Jul '16 11:01:06 PM BigKlingy
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** One line by Chandler in an early season: "I went to an all-boys school. Any sex I had would've involved a major ''lifestyle choice''", is something that you wouldn't be able to get away with now.



** Another episode from season 5 stands out. The guys are taking a police car ride with Phoebe's current boyfriend Gary and Ross is giddy that since he's in the passenger seat, he could be called Gary's partner in crime. Annoyed, Chandler states "You know, that usually sounds cool when people say that. When you say it . . . it sounds ''gay''." It's used in the context as a derogatory word and it's a small wonder it hasn't been edited in reruns. Considering Chandler is often MistakenForGay, this also comes off rather hypocritical.
14th Jul '16 7:52:41 AM isolato
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* An in-universe example from ''Series/FawltyTowers'' is the classic dialogue where the elderly Major (who is slightly senile and blissfully unaware of the ''faux pas'' he's committing) is getting nostalgic about a girlfriend who he brought to a cricket match at Lords. He recalled he had to upbraid her about her use of unacceptable language (there's some real dissonance here as well: today the subject is considered by some to be too sensitive even to joke about, leading to the line being cut by the BBC in 2013 rebroadcasts):

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* An in-universe CrossesTheLineTwice example from ''Series/FawltyTowers'' is the classic dialogue where the elderly Major (who is slightly senile and blissfully unaware of the ''faux pas'' he's committing) is getting nostalgic about a girlfriend who he brought to a cricket match at Lords. He recalled he had to upbraid her about her use of unacceptable language (there's some real dissonance here as well: today the subject is considered by some to be too sensitive even to joke about, leading to the line being cut by the BBC in 2013 rebroadcasts):
8th Jul '16 1:56:09 PM LadyEvil
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* An episode of MorkAndMindy had Mork go up against an overgrown bully named George. George stalks Mindy, makes threatening phone calls to Mork and hangs out menacingly near their house. This is treated as creepy jerkassery, but no one even thinks of calling the police. Ironically, it would take the death of another of Pam Dawber's co-stars (Rebecca Schaffer of 'My Sister Sam') to get the first anti-stalking laws passed in America.

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* An episode of MorkAndMindy had Mork go up against an overgrown bully named George. George stalks Mindy, makes threatening phone calls to Mork and hangs out menacingly near their house. This is treated as creepy jerkassery, but no one even thinks of calling the police. Ironically, it would take the death of another of Pam Dawber's co-stars (Rebecca Schaffer of 'My ''My Sister Sam') Sam'') to get the first anti-stalking laws passed in America.
8th Jul '16 1:49:31 PM LadyEvil
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* An episode of MorkAndMindy had Mork go up against an overgrown bully named George. George stalks Mindy, makes threatening phone calls to Mork and hangs out menacingly near their house. This is treated as creepy jerkassery, but no one even thinks of calling the police. Ironically, it would take the death of another of Pam Dawber's co-stars (Rebecca Schaffer of 'My Sister Sam') to get the first anti-stalking laws passed in America.
15th Jun '16 10:09:52 AM HamburgerTime
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** The first two prominent transgender characters seen on the show were both mentally ill villains, being respectively an EvilGenius SerialKiller with an OedipusComplex and a [[MadDoctor crazy back-alley surgeon]] who performed unlicensed gender reassignment operations resulting in at least one death and several permanent disfigurements (the latter was the antagonist of the aforementioned "Ch-Ch-Changes"). It took until season five for an LGBT character who was neither a villain nor a victim to appear.
9th Jun '16 6:52:43 PM Kid
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** One episode from 2004 ("Ch-Ch-Changes") had the twist that the victim was a male-to-female transgender and her boyfriend killed her when he found out. In TheNewTens the plot is cringe worthy in how transphobic it is. Even the main characters, who purportedly respect the victim and have no issue with transexuality, come off as remarkably ignorant and disrespectful just over a decade later. The episode has the victim lying about being transgender, and her ID (example, her drivers' license and registration) that still had her male name and picture on them were written off as being her brother's, which comes off as strange in a day and age where being transgender has more mainstream acceptance and people in the process of transitioning are more open about their previous identities.

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** One episode from 2004 ("Ch-Ch-Changes") had the twist that the victim was a male-to-female transgender and her boyfriend killed her when he found out.transgender. In TheNewTens the plot is cringe worthy in how transphobic it is. Even the main characters, who purportedly respect the victim and have no issue with transexuality, come off as remarkably ignorant and disrespectful just over a decade later. The episode has the victim lying about being transgender, and her ID (example, her drivers' license and registration) that still had her male name and picture on them were written off as being her brother's, which comes off as strange in a day and age where being transgender has more mainstream acceptance and people in the process of transitioning are more open about their previous identities.
9th Jun '16 5:52:59 PM Kid
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** One episode from 2004 ("Ch-Ch-Changes") had the twist that the victim was a male-to-female transgender and her boyfriend killed her when he found out. In TheNewTens the plot is cringe worthy in how transphobic it is. Even the main characters, who purportedly respect the victim and have no issue with transexuality, come off as remarkably ignorant and disrespectful just over a decade later. The episode has the victim lying about being transgender, and her ID (example, her drivers' license and registration) that still had her male name and picture on them were written off as being her brother's, which comes off as strange in a day and age where being transgender has more mainstream acceptance and people in the process of transitioning are more open about their previous identities.
2nd Jun '16 1:30:04 PM Psyclone
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** When Eartha Kitt takes over the Catwoman role, her flirtation attitude towards Batman abruptly stops. The producers wanted to avoid any and all implications of an interracial relationship.

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** When Eartha Kitt takes over the Catwoman role, was recast with Eartha Kitt, the show was surprisingly progressive for not making any mention of her flirtation attitude towards Batman abruptly stops. The producers wanted race... except for completely dropping the ShipTease between her and Batman, in order to avoid any and all implications implication of an interracial relationship.
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