History ValuesDissonance / LiveActionTV

7th Jan '18 11:42:33 AM bodhirook
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* Stand-up comedy, especially when a performer is translating their act from stage to TV, gets hit pretty hard with this trope; some jokes that may have been fine in the seventies, eighties, and even the nineties would ''not'' fly today. Big names in comedy in TheSixties and TheSeventies such as Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson were particularly vilified in later decades. Manning's career never really recovered after he was ambushed on TV on a spoof chat show, and incited into making seriously racist and homophobic references which were a large part of his stand-up routine. Again, as with Bill Oddie, this was a case of a man who simply did not realise the world had moved on and outside a circle of devoted fans, his humour wasn't thought of as acceptably TV mainstream any more. Meanwhile other comics such as Roy "Chubby" Brown simply didn't care and took RefugeInAudacity.

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* Stand-up comedy, especially when a performer is translating their act from stage to TV, gets hit pretty hard with this trope; some jokes that may have been fine in the seventies, eighties, and even the nineties would ''not'' fly today. Big names in comedy in TheSixties and TheSeventies such as Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson were particularly vilified in later decades. Manning's career never really recovered after he was ambushed on TV on a spoof chat show, and incited into making seriously racist and homophobic references which were a large part of his stand-up routine. Again, as with Bill Oddie, this was a case of a man who simply did not realise the world had moved on and outside a circle of devoted fans, his humour wasn't thought of as acceptably TV mainstream any more. Meanwhile other comics such as Roy "Chubby" Brown simply didn't care and took RefugeInAudacity.RefugeInAudacity.
* The treatment of Transgender people in general is a big example of this. For years, Their very existence had been used as a comedy punchline, particularly Transgender women who are frequently misgendered and seen as little more than men in dresses. If a Trans character appeared in a show, They would be played by cisgendered actors it was all but guaranteed They would be the butt of jokes and we would be expected to agree with characters' disgust and/or outrage at "being deceived". In the 2010's, being Trans has become much more acceptable, particularly among younger people, and any show that tries to make the kind of jokes that were perfectly acceptable as little as ten years ago would provoke huge outrage.
25th Dec '17 4:18:01 PM PiDa
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** The Hartnell era bigotry is mocked in "Twice Upon A Time", in which the First Doctor makes bigoted remarks at the expense of women and the French, up to and including assuming Bill should be cleaning the [[InsistentTerminology Ship]] and being shocked to discover that she isn't a virgin. The Twelfth Doctor is ''mortified'' by this and keeps begging the First Doctor to stop. When the First Doctor even threatens to give Bill a "jolly good smacked bottom", as above, both Bill and the Twelfth Doctor assume it's a [[SpankTheCutie fetish thing]] and are both [[{{Squick}} thoroughly creeped out]].
20th Dec '17 9:43:12 PM Tidal_Wave_17
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** One episode has Rob and Laura try to set up Sally and one of Laura's friend with a man, only for him to reveal he doesn't want to commit too because he's been married twice before and both women left [[DomesticAbuse because he used to hit them]]. Rob and Laura are stunned... That he's been married before.
21st Nov '17 3:31:03 AM ClintEastwood
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** A reason women are treated as mostly eye-candy on the original series might have to do with the poor reaction of test audiences to the original pilot, "The Cage", in 1964. Gene Roddenberry claimed that a lot of women objected to seeing a woman in a position of authority (Number One, played by Majel Barrett), and the fact that the female crew members wore pants.

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** A reason women are treated as mostly eye-candy on the original series might have to do with the poor reaction of test audiences to the original pilot, "The Cage", "[[Recap/StarTrekS1E0TheCage The Cage]]", in 1964. Gene Roddenberry Creator/GeneRoddenberry claimed that a lot of women objected to seeing a woman in a position of authority (Number One, played by Majel Barrett), Creator/MajelBarrett), and the fact that the female crew members wore pants.
2nd Nov '17 7:15:01 PM KoopaKid17
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* The first two versions of ''Series/CardSharks'' which aired from 1978-81 and 1986-89 respectively have high-low questions asked to 100 people which have contestants judging human nature. Some of these questions would be overtly sexist if asked in the present time. Imagine the looks the poll-taker would receive if he asked female executives, "Has your boss ever patted you on the fanny?" these days.



* The first two versions of ''Series/CardSharks'' which aired from 1978-81 and 1986-89 respectively have high-low questions asked to 100 people which have contestants judging human nature. Some of these questions would be overtly sexist if asked in the present time. Imagine the looks the poll-taker would receive if he asked female executives, "Has your boss ever patted you on the fanny?" these days.
30th Oct '17 10:52:11 PM DLMaximum1
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** There are many ethnic stereotypes on the show, mainly found in the form of the bad guys (usually either loud, raucous, stupid Hispanic bandits in Latin America or New York-ish Italian gangsters in L. A.) and some of the A-Team's disguises. Hannibal's [[ContinuityNod most referenced]] comic disguise is a ChineseLaunderer (which even appears in the opening credits of the first season), and in another episode he and Murdock have to disguise themselves as Native American warriors, complete with whooping. While ethnic stereotypes may not be eliminated from media, such blatant examples would never show up on TV today, except in parody.

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** There are many ethnic stereotypes on the show, mainly found in the form of the bad guys (usually either loud, raucous, stupid Hispanic bandits in Latin America or New York-ish Italian gangsters in L. A.) and some of the A-Team's disguises. Hannibal's [[ContinuityNod most referenced]] comic disguise is a ChineseLaunderer (which even appears in the opening credits of the first season), and in another episode he and Murdock have to disguise themselves as Native American warriors, complete with whooping. While ethnic stereotypes may not be eliminated from media, such blatant examples would never show up on TV today, except in parody.



* On one Season 10 episode "Lead", a intellectually disabled teenager is accused of murdering his pediatrician, Alex questions about the young man on the stand despite his diminished mental capacity by pointing out that he is "retarded", which by current standards would be offensive, considering the fact that people in the mentally impaired community are frowning upon the word "retard" being used as slang and to describe people with intellectual disabilities, even comparing the use the "R-word" to using the word "faggot" as slang and to describe gay individuals.

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* ** On one Season 10 episode "Lead", a intellectually disabled teenager is accused of murdering his pediatrician, Alex questions about the young man on the stand despite his diminished mental capacity by pointing out that he is "retarded", which by current standards would be offensive, considering the fact that people in the mentally impaired community are frowning upon the word "retard" being used as slang and to describe people with intellectual disabilities, even comparing the use the "R-word" to using the word "faggot" as slang and to describe gay individuals.
24th Oct '17 4:22:30 PM firejewel
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* ''Series/TheWaltons'' episode "The Romance" had the eldest daughter Mary Ellen state that she wished to become a doctor rather than just a nurse as she originally planned, explaining that she believes she has the talent and drive to succeed. Instead of encouraging Mary Ellen, Grandma Walton disbelievingly asks her to name one female doctor. When Mary Ellen names several, Grandma says "hopefully, by the time you're grown up, that thing will have stopped happening."

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* ''Series/TheWaltons'' episode "The Romance" had the eldest daughter Mary Ellen state that she wished to become a doctor rather than just a nurse as she originally planned, explaining that she believes she has the talent and drive to succeed. Instead of encouraging Mary Ellen, Grandma Walton disbelievingly asks her to name one female doctor. When Mary Ellen names several, Grandma says "hopefully, "Well hopefully, by the time you're grown up, that sort of thing will have stopped happening."
24th Oct '17 3:04:54 PM Malady
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* ''Series/TheWaltons'' episode "The Romance" had the eldest daughter Mary Ellen stat that she wished to become a doctor rather than just a nurse as she originally planned, explaining that she believes she has the talent and drive to succeed. Instead of encouraging Mary Ellen, Grandma Walton disbelievingly asks her to name one female doctor. When Mary Ellen names several, Grandma says "hopefully, by the time your grown up. That thing will have stopped happening."

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* ''Series/TheWaltons'' episode "The Romance" had the eldest daughter Mary Ellen stat state that she wished to become a doctor rather than just a nurse as she originally planned, explaining that she believes she has the talent and drive to succeed. Instead of encouraging Mary Ellen, Grandma Walton disbelievingly asks her to name one female doctor. When Mary Ellen names several, Grandma says "hopefully, by the time your you're grown up. That up, that thing will have stopped happening."
24th Oct '17 2:12:05 PM firejewel
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* ''Series/TheWaltons'' episode "The Romance" had the eldest daughter Mary Ellen stat that she wished to become a doctor rather than just a nurse as she originally planned, explaining that she believes she has the talent and drive to succeed. Instead of encouraging Mary Ellen, Grandma Walton disbelievingly asks her to name one female doctor. When Mary Ellen names several, Grandma says "hopefully, by the time your grown up. That thing will have stopped happening."
18th Oct '17 12:01:56 PM kquinn0830
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** Also relating to Chandler, DependingOnTheWriter, his animosity towards his father comes from the fact that his father left his family and the whole relationship is based on the divorce-child anger, or because he's embarrassed of his father being a gay crossdresser, putting QueerPeopleAreFunny into effect. These days, these jokes would at best be outdated and at worst be considered homophobic or transphobic. This is made even worse considering that Chandler's father is implied to have been a loving and present father in his life, with Chandler being the one embarrassed about him, and the reason why they aren't close anymore comes only from Chandler.

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** Also relating to Chandler, DependingOnTheWriter, his animosity towards his father comes from the fact that his father left his family and the whole relationship is based on the divorce-child anger, or because he's embarrassed of his father being a gay crossdresser, putting QueerPeopleAreFunny into effect. These days, these jokes would at best be outdated and at worst be considered homophobic or transphobic. This is made even worse considering that Chandler's father is implied to have been a loving and present father in his life, with Chandler being the one embarrassed about him, and the reason why they aren't close anymore comes only from Chandler.
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