History ValuesDissonance / ComicBooks

6th Jun '17 6:05:11 PM jm9101983
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* The typical climax to many strips in BritishComics like ''ComicBook/TheBeano'' in the '70s would involve a child doing something naughty and being given, as some stories put it, 'six of the best' - in other words, being bent across Dad's knee and whacked on the bum with a large slipper. It can be pretty surprising to a younger reader (ie. a reader not old enough to remember the time when smacking wasn't controversial) to realize that not only was that considered a moralistic plot element, ''you were supposed to laugh''. Of course, recent (for example, 1990s-present) comics don't do that.

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* The typical climax to many strips in BritishComics like ''ComicBook/TheBeano'' in the '70s would involve a child doing something naughty and being given, as some stories put it, 'six of the best' - in other words, being bent across Dad's knee and whacked on the bum with a large slipper. It can be pretty surprising to a younger reader (ie. a reader not old enough to remember the time when smacking wasn't controversial) to realize that not only was that considered a moralistic plot element, ''you were supposed to laugh''. Of course, recent (for example, 1990s-present) comics don't do that.
21st May '17 5:52:22 PM nombretomado
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* In the introduction to ''Fagin the Jew'' (his own confrontation with the anti-Semitism in Creator/CharlesDickens' ''Literature/OliverTwist''), WillEisner recollects how he created {{E|thnicScrappy}}bony as a one-dimensional [[EthnicScrappy comic relief black sidekick]] for ''ComicBook/TheSpirit'' because it was common practice at the time. After serving alongside other Americans of different heritage in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, Eisner was more enlightened and gave Ebony more depth and gravitas.

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* In the introduction to ''Fagin the Jew'' (his own confrontation with the anti-Semitism in Creator/CharlesDickens' ''Literature/OliverTwist''), WillEisner Creator/WillEisner recollects how he created {{E|thnicScrappy}}bony as a one-dimensional [[EthnicScrappy comic relief black sidekick]] for ''ComicBook/TheSpirit'' because it was common practice at the time. After serving alongside other Americans of different heritage in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, Eisner was more enlightened and gave Ebony more depth and gravitas.
11th May '17 2:34:40 PM morenohijazo
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* In the ComicBook/MortadeloYFilemon comics by Ibañez, most non-white characters are drawn and speak as typical wartime caricatures, complete with accents, which raises more than a few eyebrows in the present day. That said, Ibañez's black characters tended to be universally more competent or at least less [[TooDumbToLive suicidally stupid]] than the white protagonists, so maybe it was just him catering to the drawing style expected at the time.

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* In the ComicBook/MortadeloYFilemon ''ComicBook/MortadeloYFilemon'' comics by Ibañez, most Ibañez:
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non-white characters are drawn and speak as typical wartime caricatures, complete with accents, which raises more than a few eyebrows in the present day. That said, Ibañez's black characters tended to be universally more competent or at least less [[TooDumbToLive suicidally stupid]] than the white protagonists, so maybe it was just him catering to the drawing style expected at the time.time.
** The traditional Spaniard sentiment of disdain towards authority really shows in each album, starting with resident BadBoss El Súper, who is by far the greatest {{Jerkass}}. Real life politicians, wherever they show up, [[AcceptableTargets get absolutely no quarter]].
22nd Apr '17 10:34:05 PM name_already_chosen
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** Ironically, the other major focus of "Little Lotta" is that her weight and appetite provide her with superhuman strength (she has uprooted trees), which violates the modern anti-obesity campaigns that both accompany and contradict the anti-body-shaming campaigns. In her case, there is no way to win!
10th Mar '17 5:37:01 PM DastardlyDemolition
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* There's a bit of discussion on Website/{{Tumblr}} and Website/{{4chan}}'s /co/ board on how Harvey Comics' "Little Lotta" character, whose entire personality is more or less "hahaha, she's so fat", will never get an animated adaptation due to how relevant body-shaming and self-image issues have become.

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* There's a bit of discussion on Website/{{Tumblr}} and Website/{{4chan}}'s Website/FourChan's /co/ board on how Harvey Comics' "Little Lotta" character, whose entire personality is more or less "hahaha, she's so fat", will never get an animated adaptation due to how relevant body-shaming and self-image issues have become.
10th Mar '17 5:35:47 PM DastardlyDemolition
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* There's a bit of discussion on Tumblr and 4chan's /co/ boards on how Harvey Comics' "Little Lotta" character, whose entire personality is more or less "hahaha, she's so fat", will never get an animated adaptation due to how relevant body-shaming and self-image issues have become.

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* There's a bit of discussion on Tumblr Website/{{Tumblr}} and 4chan's Website/{{4chan}}'s /co/ boards board on how Harvey Comics' "Little Lotta" character, whose entire personality is more or less "hahaha, she's so fat", will never get an animated adaptation due to how relevant body-shaming and self-image issues have become.
4th Mar '17 12:13:06 PM nombretomado
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* Creator/JMichaelStraczynski's MarvelComics maxiseries ''ComicBook/TheTwelve'' contains an InUniverse example. [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks Golden Age]] hero Dynamic Man sees a woman who's been mugged being chased by a black man. Upon grabbing the black man he finds out that this is the victim's husband. He instantly loses interest in helping either one. Likewise, when he helps out a bar that is being attacked, only to realize it's a gay bar, he disgustedly comments that this sort of thing should have been stopped a long time ago before flying away.

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* Creator/JMichaelStraczynski's MarvelComics Creator/MarvelComics maxiseries ''ComicBook/TheTwelve'' contains an InUniverse example. [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks Golden Age]] hero Dynamic Man sees a woman who's been mugged being chased by a black man. Upon grabbing the black man he finds out that this is the victim's husband. He instantly loses interest in helping either one. Likewise, when he helps out a bar that is being attacked, only to realize it's a gay bar, he disgustedly comments that this sort of thing should have been stopped a long time ago before flying away.
20th Jan '17 1:49:31 PM HighCrate
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* NewspaperComics have fallen victim of this since the 1970's, with attempts to modernize strips by the syndicates not doing much to avoid getting them DeaderThanDisco.
8th Jan '17 1:52:54 PM nombretomado
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* {{Ultimate|Marvel}} ComicBook/CaptainAmerica is another in-story example. In order to maintain his UsefulNotes/WorldWarII origin story for stories in the 1970s and beyond, the original Cap was said to have been frozen in an iceberg and thawed out years later. The Ultimate version goes into depth about the kind of culture shock that would happen if a man, frozen in the 1940s, actually woke up in the 2000s.

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* {{Ultimate|Marvel}} ComicBook/{{Ultimate|Marvel}} ComicBook/CaptainAmerica is another in-story example. In order to maintain his UsefulNotes/WorldWarII origin story for stories in the 1970s and beyond, the original Cap was said to have been frozen in an iceberg and thawed out years later. The Ultimate version goes into depth about the kind of culture shock that would happen if a man, frozen in the 1940s, actually woke up in the 2000s.
29th Dec '16 8:54:08 PM Kid
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** Obelix is usually the one to be given a love interest, though usually it's unreciprocated and takes the form of a crush on a pretty woman which helps drive the plot. In ''Asterix and Caesar's Gift'', he develops another crush on newcomer Influenza, the daughter of an innkeeper, who uses this crush to manipulate him. Influenza is stated to be a teenager; Obelix, though he has a VagueAge, is clearly an adult and is at ''least'' in his twenties [[note]]He and Asterix are the same age; according to one book, Asterix isn't as young as he looks. Asterix and Obelix could be anywhere between their twenties and their thirties[[/note]]. While it was more acceptable in times past for adult men to pursue teenaged women, to modern readers it's certainly uncomfortable.
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