History ValuesDissonance / ComicBooks

19th Sep '17 5:07:36 PM KrspaceT
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** One very early issue showed that every male member of the team was lusting after Jean, even Professor Xavier, who believes the biggest obstacle to a romance between them is ''his wheelchair'', not that he's her teacher and twice her age. This has almost never been mentioned since then.

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** One very early issue showed that every male member of the team was lusting after Jean, even Professor Xavier, who believes the biggest obstacle to a romance between them is ''his wheelchair'', not that he's her teacher and twice her age. This has almost never been mentioned since then.then, and when it is brought up it is one of Xavier's greatest personal shames.
14th Sep '17 4:16:31 AM Pichu-kun
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* In ''ComicBook/TheJudasContract'' from the early 1980s, TheMole Terra has a sexual relationship with ComicBook/{{Deathstroke}}. Not only is Deathstroke twice her age, but he has ''kids'' either her age or older. Terra is above the age-of-consent in most of America (she was sixteen) however it's still {{squick}}y. That was the intended reaction, however it's become a bit ''too'' uncomfortable in future years. That aspect of their relationship either gets ignored or critisized. The 2003 ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'' cartoon outright ignored their relationship and the 2016 [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitansTheJudasContract animated film adaptation]] of it arc also changes it so that no sex occurs. Terra simply has an unrequited crush on Deathstroke.
10th Sep '17 7:46:02 PM Doug86
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* ''Many'' of ''ComicBook/ArchieComics'' older slapstick routines are magnificently dated and offensive by today's standards:

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* ''Many'' of ''ComicBook/ArchieComics'' ''Franchise/ArchieComics'' older slapstick routines are magnificently dated and offensive by today's standards:
21st Aug '17 11:37:21 PM randomtroper89
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*** Values dissonance began to haunt Superman by the end of the '60s as he had not reverted to his earlier, rebellious form, but remained a symbol of the establishment, despite the youth movement moving that way. Attempts at "modernizing" Superman were often scoffed at, and between the '70s and the '00s, Superman was often used as an example of the right and virtuous old-fashioned superhero for better or worse, though besides "I don't kill," they're rarely specific about what "morals" of his are supposed to be outdated. That's not to say Superman never had any high points during this period, they just tended to be more about the overall plot or spectacle. Lately, they seem to be trying to get away from this.

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*** ** Values dissonance began to haunt Superman by the end of the '60s as he had not reverted to his earlier, rebellious form, but remained a symbol of the establishment, despite the youth movement moving that way. Attempts at "modernizing" Superman were often scoffed at, and between the '70s and the '00s, Superman was often used as an example of the right and virtuous old-fashioned superhero for better or worse, though besides "I don't kill," they're rarely specific about what "morals" of his are supposed to be outdated. That's not to say Superman never had any high points during this period, they just tended to be more about the overall plot or spectacle. Lately, they seem to be trying to get away from this.
21st Aug '17 11:29:28 PM randomtroper89
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*** '60s-era Cap featured many similar views played straight, with Cap nudging his career-woman girlfriend Sharon Carter to resign from SHIELD so that she could be his wife; back then, that was pretty normal. Nowadays, it makes Steve look like a dick. As such, Steve is now far more progressive with his views (including bowing leadership to Wasp and serving alongside many female Avengers without questioning their abilities), and his relationship with Sharon is modernized into a BattleCouple with Sharon being the one who proposes to Steve.

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*** ** '60s-era Cap featured many similar views played straight, with Cap nudging his career-woman girlfriend Sharon Carter to resign from SHIELD so that she could be his wife; back then, that was pretty normal. Nowadays, it makes Steve look like a dick. As such, Steve is now far more progressive with his views (including bowing leadership to Wasp and serving alongside many female Avengers without questioning their abilities), and his relationship with Sharon is modernized into a BattleCouple with Sharon being the one who proposes to Steve.
17th Aug '17 2:37:23 PM gophergiggles
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* ''Many'' of ''ComicBook/ArchieComics'' older slapstick routines are magnificently dated and offensive by today's standards:
** In his earliest incarnation Moose was, by today's standards, an outright BastardBoyfriend who would not only savagely beat up anyone who so much as looked at Midge (and often for not looking at her because "[[InsaneTrollLogic Why?! Isn't she pretty enough?!]]"), but even threatened and intimidated ''her'', which was entirely PlayedForLaughs. As the years went on he mellowed into at least treating her genuinely well, and from that to a mostly good-natured guy who just has a bad temper and is typically TooDumbToLive.
** "Big" Ethel was originally both [[{{Gonk}} a hideous bony monster]] and as close to an [[BlackComedyRape outright rapist]] as these comics could get, who all the boys were outright disgusted by. Again, as the years have gone on she went from that to typically just lusting over Jughead (and the source of the humor was Jughead's overall fear of women, rather than her looks), and ultimately got a redesign into a somewhat plain but otherwise easy on the eyes woman who's typically very kindhearted and fun to be around.
** Some comics have been rewritten or had pages altered to change the story into something appropriate for modern values, such as one infamous story that had Jughead lamenting women in the work force and being portrayed as in the right (the entire story was rewritten into an entirely different plot).
**...while others received the equivalent to {{Justifying Edit}}s, such as one issue that featured Archie defending his home from a robber ''Film/HomeAlone'' style (albeit unintentionally; it was the mess he'd left behind that tripped the robber up). Years later the comic received a part two where [[RealityEnsues Reality Ensued]] and the robber sued them for the injuries (''very'' sadly TruthInTelevision).
10th Aug '17 4:45:42 PM N.Harmonik
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** Many ComicBook/{{Superboy}} [[note]]Superman in his youth[[/note]] comics had the main character, Clark Kent, being subjected to corporal punishments, usually in the form of spanking, by his adoptive father, Jonathan. However, Jonathan discovers the hard way why he would be called [[MadeOfIron Man of Steel]], even with a spanking machine, which it too gets destroyed. One even has it in a school! Now, think about that for a moment considering corporal punishment of any kind in school... at least state ones, would not go well with today's view.

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** Many ComicBook/{{Superboy}} [[note]]Superman in his youth[[/note]] comics had the main character, Clark Kent, being subjected to corporal punishments, usually in the form of spanking, by his adoptive father, Jonathan. However, Jonathan discovers the hard way why he would be called [[MadeOfIron Man of Steel]], even with a spanking machine, which it too gets is also destroyed. One story even has it in a school! Now, think about that for a moment considering corporal punishment of any kind in school... at least state ones, would not go well with today's view.
6th Aug '17 2:01:34 PM StFan
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* A lot of long-running heroes from both ComicBook/{{Marvel}} and Creator/DCComics suffer this. UsefulNotes/{{The Golden Age|OfComicBooks}} in particular has cringe-worthy racist and sexist moments, taken UpToEleven in UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|OfComicBooks}}.

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* A lot of long-running heroes from both ComicBook/{{Marvel}} Creator/{{Marvel}} and Creator/DCComics suffer this. UsefulNotes/{{The Golden Age|OfComicBooks}} in particular has cringe-worthy racist and sexist moments, taken UpToEleven in UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|OfComicBooks}}.
6th Jun '17 6:05:11 PM jm9101983
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* The typical climax to many strips in BritishComics like ''ComicBook/TheBeano'' in the '70s would involve a child doing something naughty and being given, as some stories put it, 'six of the best' - in other words, being bent across Dad's knee and whacked on the bum with a large slipper. It can be pretty surprising to a younger reader (ie. a reader not old enough to remember the time when smacking wasn't controversial) to realize that not only was that considered a moralistic plot element, ''you were supposed to laugh''. Of course, recent (for example, 1990s-present) comics don't do that.

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* The typical climax to many strips in BritishComics like ''ComicBook/TheBeano'' in the '70s would involve a child doing something naughty and being given, as some stories put it, 'six of the best' - in other words, being bent across Dad's knee and whacked on the bum with a large slipper. It can be pretty surprising to a younger reader (ie. a reader not old enough to remember the time when smacking wasn't controversial) to realize that not only was that considered a moralistic plot element, ''you were supposed to laugh''. Of course, recent (for example, 1990s-present) comics don't do that.
21st May '17 5:52:22 PM nombretomado
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* In the introduction to ''Fagin the Jew'' (his own confrontation with the anti-Semitism in Creator/CharlesDickens' ''Literature/OliverTwist''), WillEisner recollects how he created {{E|thnicScrappy}}bony as a one-dimensional [[EthnicScrappy comic relief black sidekick]] for ''ComicBook/TheSpirit'' because it was common practice at the time. After serving alongside other Americans of different heritage in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, Eisner was more enlightened and gave Ebony more depth and gravitas.

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* In the introduction to ''Fagin the Jew'' (his own confrontation with the anti-Semitism in Creator/CharlesDickens' ''Literature/OliverTwist''), WillEisner Creator/WillEisner recollects how he created {{E|thnicScrappy}}bony as a one-dimensional [[EthnicScrappy comic relief black sidekick]] for ''ComicBook/TheSpirit'' because it was common practice at the time. After serving alongside other Americans of different heritage in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, Eisner was more enlightened and gave Ebony more depth and gravitas.
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