History ValuesDissonance / ComicBooks

7th Feb '16 10:48:52 AM ironicusername
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* There's a bit of discussion on Tumblr and 4chan's /co/ boards on how Harvey Comics' "Little Lotta" character, who's entire personality is more or less "hahaha, she's so fat", will never get an animated adaption due to how relevant body-shaming and self-image issues have become.
6th Jan '16 1:43:53 PM hydrix
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* ''ComicBook/DeKiekeboes'': ** Album #125 ''Vrouwen komen van Mars'' (women are from Mars) has in-universe ValuesDissonance when the main characters travel to an album so old that it has become a holy grail among comic book collectors called ''De avonturen van snijboon en zoon'' through a machine that transports them there.
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* ''ComicBook/DeKiekeboes'': ** ''ComicBook/DeKiekeboes'': Album #125 ''Vrouwen komen van Mars'' (women are from Mars) has in-universe ValuesDissonance when the main characters travel to an album so old that it has become a holy grail among comic book collectors called ''De avonturen van snijboon en zoon'' through a machine that transports them there.
20th Dec '15 6:17:58 PM nombretomado
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* Shortly after Supergirl's introduction, there's a ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'' story in which (for typically contrived SilverAge reasons) he has to pretend to be engaged. So, he spends a good part of the story making kissy-face with the mysterious new superheroine Mighty Maid. At the end of the story it's revealed she's Supergirl in disguise, and thus Supes has been making out with his ''15-year-old first cousin.'' (A later story makes it clear that this is not Kryptonian-Earth values dissonance; first cousins couldn't marry on Krypton.)
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* Shortly after Supergirl's introduction, there's a ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'' story in which (for typically contrived SilverAge [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] reasons) he has to pretend to be engaged. So, he spends a good part of the story making kissy-face with the mysterious new superheroine Mighty Maid. At the end of the story it's revealed she's Supergirl in disguise, and thus Supes has been making out with his ''15-year-old first cousin.'' (A later story makes it clear that this is not Kryptonian-Earth values dissonance; first cousins couldn't marry on Krypton.)

* The dissonance in comics is mocked in the videogame ''VideoGame/ComicJumperTheAdventuresOfCaptainSmiley.'' When he travels into the SilverAge, he is immediately paired with a ching chongey Chinese stereotype and put up against a feminist villain. Even Captain Smiley's sidekick Star, who is a complete {{Jerkass}} throughout the game, [[EvenEvilHasStandards is offended]]. The game also points out how UsefulNotes/TheComicsCode forbade swearing, but allowed ethnic stereotypes.
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* The dissonance in comics is mocked in the videogame ''VideoGame/ComicJumperTheAdventuresOfCaptainSmiley.'' When he travels into the SilverAge, UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}}, he is immediately paired with a ching chongey Chinese stereotype and put up against a feminist villain. Even Captain Smiley's sidekick Star, who is a complete {{Jerkass}} throughout the game, [[EvenEvilHasStandards is offended]]. The game also points out how UsefulNotes/TheComicsCode forbade swearing, but allowed ethnic stereotypes.
20th Dec '15 6:17:33 PM nombretomado
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** [[{{Pun}} Ultimately]], the differences between original Captain America and "Ultimate" Captain America are a values dissonance between the comics industry of the 1940's and the modern day. At the time, the industry was all about big patriotism and sticking by your country in times of trouble because hey, it's your country. Nowadays, comics are more willing to stick it to the man. Thus original Cap attempted to symbolize everything best about America, while post-SilverAge Cap tries to fight everything that's worst about it.
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** [[{{Pun}} Ultimately]], the differences between original Captain America and "Ultimate" Captain America are a values dissonance between the comics industry of the 1940's and the modern day. At the time, the industry was all about big patriotism and sticking by your country in times of trouble because hey, it's your country. Nowadays, comics are more willing to stick it to the man. Thus original Cap attempted to symbolize everything best about America, while post-SilverAge post-[[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] Cap tries to fight everything that's worst about it.
16th Dec '15 7:57:57 PM nombretomado
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* In the case of the Argentinian comic strip {{Mafalda}}, there are several examples.
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* In the case of the Argentinian comic strip {{Mafalda}}, ComicStrip/{{Mafalda}}, there are several examples.
3rd Dec '15 8:45:19 AM woodwardiocom
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* An in-story example occurs in ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'', when '70s superhero ComicBook/BlackLightning meets modern black superhero Mr. Terrific. Terrific remarks that a black person actually calling himself "Black Lightning" is ridiculous. (Well, he did wear a black costume.) Lightning replys that when he began his career he was "the only one of us out there" and wanted people to know that.
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* An in-story example occurs in ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'', when '70s superhero ComicBook/BlackLightning meets modern black superhero Mr. Terrific. Terrific remarks that a black person actually calling himself "Black Lightning" is ridiculous. (Well, he (He did wear a black costume.black-and-blue costume, and his lightning bolts are often depicted as literally black, but still.) Lightning replys that when he began his career he was "the only one of us out there" and wanted people to know that.
2nd Dec '15 1:54:32 PM nightkiller
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** Quite a few people didn't think it was appropriate in the 20th Century.
2nd Dec '15 1:52:41 PM nightkiller
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*** School corporal punishment! Still legal in 22 states!
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*** School corporal punishment! Still legal in 22 U.S. states!
25th Nov '15 9:32:41 PM MikeW
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* An in-story example occurs in ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'', when '70s superhero ComicBook/BlackLightning meets modern black superhero Mr. Terrific. Terrific remarks that a black person actually calling himself "Black Lightning" is ridiculous. (Well, he did wear a black costume.)
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* An in-story example occurs in ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'', when '70s superhero ComicBook/BlackLightning meets modern black superhero Mr. Terrific. Terrific remarks that a black person actually calling himself "Black Lightning" is ridiculous. (Well, he did wear a black costume.)) Lightning replys that when he began his career he was "the only one of us out there" and wanted people to know that.
24th Nov '15 1:03:47 PM StFan
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* Ever since it became popularized during the 2000s (with stuff such as ''ComicStrip/DeKiekeboes'') {{Fanservice}} shows up quite frequently in Franco-Belgian comic books that are targeted towards children (the best example of observing this phenomenon probably has to be ''ComicBook/LePetitSpirou''). This can be quite jarring in countries such as in the United States where this is considered inappropriate for the target audience, but is usually seen as quite acceptable in the BENELUX and France, where kids frequently show up as {{Dirty Kid}}s in media, although it has been quite jarring for plenty of immigrants in those countries as well. * ''ComicBook/{{Jommeke}}'' can be this towards lots of people who grew up with comics that were not BelgianComics (be it the American, Japanese or French type) due to how heavily it avoids having even the lightest mature subject matter (such as action, black comedy, flaws about school life, growing up, death, the environment, economy etc.) and thus ends up looking for the plenty who grew up with those comics as material that is [[TastesLikeDiabetes so saccharine]] [[UpToEleven that they would not even give it to their kids for a reading]]. Fact is that its heritage dates back from the 50's when there was a genre of Belgian comic books in which everyday families did everyday stuff. Before Jef Nys even worked on Jommeke he even created a comic book with an edgy kid character whose edginess stems from the fact that [[{{Tsundere}} at times he would be a jerk]]. In its native Flanders the comic series does have a very long-lasting demographic and is even popular with Muslim immigrants, something that you do not expect from something that originated in a Catholic magazine. That here being said all of those facts also allow it to avoid UnfortunateImplications. * ''ComicStrip/DeKiekeboes'' album #125 ''Vrouwen komen van Mars'' (women are from Mars) has in-universe ValuesDissonance when the main characters travel to an album so old that it has become a holy grail among comic book collectors called ''De avonturen van snijboon en zoon'' through a machine that transports them there.
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* Ever since it became popularized during the 2000s (with stuff such as ''ComicStrip/DeKiekeboes'') ''ComicBook/DeKiekeboes'') {{Fanservice}} shows up quite frequently in Franco-Belgian comic books that are targeted towards children (the best example of observing this phenomenon probably has to be ''ComicBook/LePetitSpirou''). This can be quite jarring in countries such as in the United States where this is considered inappropriate for the target audience, but is usually seen as quite acceptable in the BENELUX and France, where kids frequently show up as {{Dirty Kid}}s in media, although it has been quite jarring for plenty of immigrants in those countries as well. * ''ComicBook/{{Jommeke}}'' can be this towards lots of people who grew up with comics that were not BelgianComics (be it the American, Japanese or French type) due to how heavily it avoids having even the lightest mature subject matter (such as action, black comedy, flaws about school life, growing up, death, the environment, economy etc.) and thus ends up looking for the plenty who grew up with those comics as material that is [[TastesLikeDiabetes so saccharine]] [[UpToEleven that they would not even give it to their kids for a reading]]. Fact is that its heritage dates back from the 50's '50s when there was a genre of Belgian comic books in which everyday families did everyday stuff. Before Jef Nys even worked on Jommeke he even created a comic book with an edgy kid character whose edginess stems from the fact that [[{{Tsundere}} at times he would be a jerk]]. In its native Flanders the comic series does have a very long-lasting demographic and is even popular with Muslim immigrants, something that you do not expect from something that originated in a Catholic magazine. That here being said all of those facts also allow it to avoid UnfortunateImplications. * ''ComicStrip/DeKiekeboes'' album ''ComicBook/DeKiekeboes'': ** Album #125 ''Vrouwen komen van Mars'' (women are from Mars) has in-universe ValuesDissonance when the main characters travel to an album so old that it has become a holy grail among comic book collectors called ''De avonturen van snijboon en zoon'' through a machine that transports them there.

** There is no female character in the entire album. At the end of the story it is revealed that the creator wanted his characters to search for womankind in the album "Vrouwen komen van Mars" but it was never finished due to AuthorExistenceFailure.
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** There is no female character in the entire album. At the end of the story it is revealed that the creator wanted his characters to search for womankind in the album "Vrouwen ''Vrouwen komen van Mars" Mars'' but it was never finished due to AuthorExistenceFailure.
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