History UsefulNotes / TurksWithTroops

9th Sep '16 10:16:22 AM Morgenthaler
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Oghuz Turks have long and not without justice been reputed to be a ProudWarriorRace. The present day nation of Turkey was descended from the Ottoman Empire which was founded by [[TheHorde border raiders]] in Asia Minor. These formed themselves into a conquering [[TheEmpire Empire]] which was able to subjugate large parts of the Balkans. At one of its [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome key moments]] the Ottomans were, in 1453, able to take Constantinople which was the [[VestigialEmpire last trace]] of UsefulNotes/TheRomanEmpire. After this they grew to become one of the greatest powers in the world.

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Oghuz Turks have long and not without justice been reputed to be a ProudWarriorRace. The present day nation of Turkey was descended from the Ottoman Empire which was founded by [[TheHorde border raiders]] in Asia Minor. These formed themselves into a conquering [[TheEmpire Empire]] which was able to subjugate large parts of the Balkans. At one of its [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome key moments]] moments the Ottomans were, in 1453, able to take Constantinople which was the [[VestigialEmpire last trace]] of UsefulNotes/TheRomanEmpire. After this they grew to become one of the greatest powers in the world.
9th Sep '16 10:16:10 AM Morgenthaler
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Oghuz Turks have long and not without justice been reputed to be a ProudWarriorRace. The present day nation of Turkey was descended from the Ottoman Empire which was founded by [[TheHorde border raiders]] in Asia Minor. These formed themselves into a conquering [[TheEmpire Empire]] which was able to subjugate large parts of the Balkans. At one of its [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome key moments]] the Ottomans were, in 1453, able to take Constantinople which was the [[VestigialEmpire last trace]] of TheRomanEmpire. After this they grew to become one of the greatest powers in the world.

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Oghuz Turks have long and not without justice been reputed to be a ProudWarriorRace. The present day nation of Turkey was descended from the Ottoman Empire which was founded by [[TheHorde border raiders]] in Asia Minor. These formed themselves into a conquering [[TheEmpire Empire]] which was able to subjugate large parts of the Balkans. At one of its [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome key moments]] the Ottomans were, in 1453, able to take Constantinople which was the [[VestigialEmpire last trace]] of TheRomanEmpire.UsefulNotes/TheRomanEmpire. After this they grew to become one of the greatest powers in the world.
8th Nov '15 4:30:59 PM Kotrag
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* ''Diriliş Ertuğrul'', a Turkish historical television series chronicling the deeds of Ertuğrul Bey, father of Osman Ghazi Haan, that could be best described as "''[[Series/{{Vikings}}]]'' with Central Asian nomads''". Not that there isn't a significant amount of overlap between those two groups.

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* ''Diriliş Ertuğrul'', a Turkish historical television series chronicling the deeds of Ertuğrul Bey, father of Osman Ghazi Haan, that could be best described as "''[[Series/{{Vikings}}]]'' "''Vikings'' with Central Asian nomads''".nomads". Not that there isn't a significant amount of overlap between those two groups.
8th Nov '15 4:28:42 PM Kotrag
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* ''Diriliş Ertuğrul'', a Turkish historical television series chronicling the deeds of Ertuğrul Bey, father of Osman Ghazi Haan, that could be best described as "''[[Series/{{Vikings}}]] with Central Asian nomads''". Not that there isn't a significant amount of overlap between those two groups.

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* ''Diriliş Ertuğrul'', a Turkish historical television series chronicling the deeds of Ertuğrul Bey, father of Osman Ghazi Haan, that could be best described as "''[[Series/{{Vikings}}]] "''[[Series/{{Vikings}}]]'' with Central Asian nomads''". Not that there isn't a significant amount of overlap between those two groups.
8th Nov '15 4:27:57 PM Kotrag
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* ''Diriliş Ertuğrul'', a Turkish historical television series chronicling the deeds of Ertuğrul Bey, father of Osman Ghazi Haan, that could be best described as "''[[Series/{{Vikings}}]] with Central Asian nomads''". Not that there isn't a significant amount of overlap between those two groups.
5th Oct '15 1:15:54 PM jamespolk
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* ''Film/AmericaAmerica'' is Creator/EliaKazan's semi-fictionalized account of his uncle's escape from oppression in latter 19th century Ottoman Empire Turkey.
4th Aug '15 12:42:45 AM phoenix
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!!Tropes include

* {{Ambadassador}} - Turkish Sultans, Grand Viziers and other political officials often also took part in military battles. [[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking Authority most definitely equaled ass kicking]], especially in the early days of the empire when it was still expanding.
** A lot of the reasons that AuthorityEqualsAsskicking in the early Ottoman Empire was the curious law of fratricide which declared that ThereCanBeOnlyOne and all other claimants to the throne must die. In other words AuthorityEqualsAsskicking because AsskickingEqualsAuthority.
*** Later Sultans were more careful of their lives and / or more respectful of the lives of their siblings.
** Eventually, this tradition was replaced with "the Cage", where claimants to the throne were kept locked in a harem and pulled out upon the death of the Sultan. This backfired, however, as most of the claimants had long gone insane due to the conditions they were kept in, giving the Ottoman Empire a string of bad Sultans.
* ArchEnemy - Greece, Russia for many centuries (though things have calmed down between them in recent decades), Armenia, and, in the days of the Ottoman Empire, the Habsburgs and the Venetian Republic.
* BadassArmy - When they were winning they were fearsome. When they were losing they were determined. And they are descended from steppe nomads which is ''really'' badass.
* BadassBeard: Any Ottoman who is significant either militarily or bureaucratically will likely have a beard. Unsurprisingly so, given that Islam states that keeping a beard is praiseworthy, thus encouraging this trope
** Abdülmecid II, the last Ottoman Caliph, was famous for having a truly magnificent beard. It was often said he was rather proud of it.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome - According to tales the Ottoman Army had the oldest variety of marching bands in the world.
* {{Determinator}} - Turkish soldiers have a reputation for this.
* EvilArmy - Most descriptions of the Turkish army are from the point of view of it's enemies or their descendants.
* FightingForAHomeland - The original raiders who founded the Ottoman Empire. Also the foundation of the modern state of Turkey.
* GrimUpNorth: To the Byzantines anyway. Whenthey saw the flood of Turkic warriors coming into Anatolia (many as a result of fleeing from brutal Mongol invasions, mind you), all they saw were a bunch of hairy brute savages from the northeast who followed a heathenish religion (Islam, in this case), and who were really, ''really'' good at fighting.
* HappinessInSlavery: As mentioned below, Janissaries were technically a slave caste, albeit one with great benefits and status. As such, did not react well to the efforts of later Sultans to abolish or modernise them. The struggle to get rid of Janissaries took decades and cost the lives of numerous Sultans, depriving the empire of leadership and military force during a critical period of European expansion. By the time they were replaced, it was too little too late.
* ProudWarriorRaceGuy: The Ottoman Empire was descended primarily from Osman I and his fellow Kayi tribesmen, as well as from the Seljuk emirates that he united in Antaolia after the breakup of the Seljuk Sultanate of Rum. Consider alongside this that Turks fulfilled the same basic cultural niche in medieval Eastern Europe and Asia, as the Vikings did for medieval Western Europe.
** One of Osman I's titles was "Bone-Breaker". A society that gives these sorts of epithets out can never not be this trope.
* PunchClockVillain: Many Turks, rightly or not, saw the Anzacs as victims who ended up fighting a war that was not theirs. This, combined with the WorthyOpponent effect described below is probably the reason why Gallipolli is not seen as ItsPersonal, despite the sheer brutality of that particular conflict.
** Which is especially ironic, given that if anything working for [[AxeCrazy The Three Pashas]] probably means that the inverse was closer to being true.
* TheSiege - Though this tended to backfire on them a lot during UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne when the Christian [[RagtagBunchOfMisfits townspeople]] decided to [[TookALevelInBadass Take A level In Badass]] rather than be deported and hold them back for weeks on end before being rescued by allied forces.
** More blatantly, the Siege of Constantinople, which firmly established Ottoman power and brought an end to the Eastern Roman Empire, and the last Siege of Vienna, a close-run thing that ended in Turkish defeat and marked the beginning of the decline of the empire.
* [[RealMenLoveJesus Real Men Love Allah]]: Osman I was a very religious man. He was also a Khan of the Oghuz Turks and therefore a complete badass. In fact, many, many, many Ottoman sultans and beys were complete badasses in addition to being pious Muslims.
** Most of the Turks who ended up coming south and west into Anatolia and became part of Osman's army were ''Ghazis'', essentially the Islamic equivalent to [[WarriorMonk Warrior Monks]].
* SlaveMooks - The Janissaries who were originally "taxed" children of conquered countries. But eventually they became so politically influential that they didn't ''want'' to stop being slaves, as being "freed" would greatly reduce their power.
** The Kurds were this at one point, though obviously not these days.
* WorthyOpponent - After Gallipoli, the [[AussiesWithArtillery Anzacs]] admired the Turks' grit and called them "Johnny Turk".
** The Turks reciprocated the feelings, as evidenced by the memorial at the Anzac Cove:
--> Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives¦ you are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets where they lie side by side here in this country of ours¦ You the mothers who sent their sons from far away countries, wipe away your tears. Your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. Having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.
---> Ataturk

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\n!!Tropes include\n\n* {{Ambadassador}} - Turkish Sultans, Grand Viziers and other political officials often also took part ----
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in military battles. [[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking Authority most definitely equaled ass kicking]], especially in the early days of the empire when it was still expanding.
** A lot of the reasons that AuthorityEqualsAsskicking in the early Ottoman Empire was the curious law of fratricide which declared that ThereCanBeOnlyOne and all other claimants to the throne must die. In other words AuthorityEqualsAsskicking because AsskickingEqualsAuthority.
*** Later Sultans were more careful of their lives and / or more respectful of the lives of their siblings.
** Eventually, this tradition was replaced with "the Cage", where claimants to the throne were kept locked in a harem and pulled out upon the death of the Sultan. This backfired, however, as most of the claimants had long gone insane due to the conditions they were kept in, giving the Ottoman Empire a string of bad Sultans.
* ArchEnemy - Greece, Russia for many centuries (though things have calmed down between them in recent decades), Armenia, and, in the days of the Ottoman Empire, the Habsburgs and the Venetian Republic.
* BadassArmy - When they were winning they were fearsome. When they were losing they were determined. And they are descended from steppe nomads which is ''really'' badass.
* BadassBeard: Any Ottoman who is significant either militarily or bureaucratically will likely have a beard. Unsurprisingly so, given that Islam states that keeping a beard is praiseworthy, thus encouraging this trope
** Abdülmecid II, the last Ottoman Caliph, was famous for having a truly magnificent beard. It was often said he was rather proud of it.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome - According to tales the Ottoman Army had the oldest variety of marching bands in the world.
* {{Determinator}} - Turkish soldiers have a reputation for this.
* EvilArmy - Most descriptions of the Turkish army are from the point of view of it's enemies or their descendants.
* FightingForAHomeland - The original raiders who founded the Ottoman Empire. Also the foundation of the modern state of Turkey.
* GrimUpNorth: To the Byzantines anyway. Whenthey saw the flood of Turkic warriors coming into Anatolia (many as a result of fleeing from brutal Mongol invasions, mind you), all they saw were a bunch of hairy brute savages from the northeast who followed a heathenish religion (Islam, in this case), and who were really, ''really'' good at fighting.
* HappinessInSlavery: As mentioned below, Janissaries were technically a slave caste, albeit one with great benefits and status. As such, did not react well to the efforts of later Sultans to abolish or modernise them. The struggle to get rid of Janissaries took decades and cost the lives of numerous Sultans, depriving the empire of leadership and military force during a critical period of European expansion. By the time they were replaced, it was too little too late.
* ProudWarriorRaceGuy: The Ottoman Empire was descended primarily from Osman I and his fellow Kayi tribesmen, as well as from the Seljuk emirates that he united in Antaolia after the breakup of the Seljuk Sultanate of Rum. Consider alongside this that Turks fulfilled the same basic cultural niche in medieval Eastern Europe and Asia, as the Vikings did for medieval Western Europe.
** One of Osman I's titles was "Bone-Breaker". A society that gives these sorts of epithets out can never not be this trope.
* PunchClockVillain: Many Turks, rightly or not, saw the Anzacs as victims who ended up fighting a war that was not theirs. This, combined with the WorthyOpponent effect described below is probably the reason why Gallipolli is not seen as ItsPersonal, despite the sheer brutality of that particular conflict.
** Which is especially ironic, given that if anything working for [[AxeCrazy The Three Pashas]] probably means that the inverse was closer to being true.
* TheSiege - Though this tended to backfire on them a lot during UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne when the Christian [[RagtagBunchOfMisfits townspeople]] decided to [[TookALevelInBadass Take A level In Badass]] rather than be deported and hold them back for weeks on end before being rescued by allied forces.
** More blatantly, the Siege of Constantinople, which firmly established Ottoman power and brought an end to the Eastern Roman Empire, and the last Siege of Vienna, a close-run thing that ended in Turkish defeat and marked the beginning of the decline of the empire.
* [[RealMenLoveJesus Real Men Love Allah]]: Osman I was a very religious man. He was also a Khan of the Oghuz Turks and therefore a complete badass. In fact, many, many, many Ottoman sultans and beys were complete badasses in addition to being pious Muslims.
** Most of the Turks who ended up coming south and west into Anatolia and became part of Osman's army were ''Ghazis'', essentially the Islamic equivalent to [[WarriorMonk Warrior Monks]].
* SlaveMooks - The Janissaries who were originally "taxed" children of conquered countries. But eventually they became so politically influential that they didn't ''want'' to stop being slaves, as being "freed" would greatly reduce their power.
** The Kurds were this at one point, though obviously not these days.
* WorthyOpponent - After Gallipoli, the [[AussiesWithArtillery Anzacs]] admired the Turks' grit and called them "Johnny Turk".
** The Turks reciprocated the feelings, as evidenced by the memorial at the Anzac Cove:
--> Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives¦ you are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets where they lie side by side here in this country of ours¦ You the mothers who sent their sons from far away countries, wipe away your tears. Your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. Having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.
---> Ataturk
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14th Jul '15 7:07:48 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''The Turkish Gambit'' novel from Literature/ErastFandorin series (also [[TheTurkishGambit the movie]]).

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* ''The Turkish Gambit'' novel from Literature/ErastFandorin series (also [[TheTurkishGambit [[Film/TheTurkishGambit the movie]]).
27th Apr '15 1:20:20 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''LawrenceOfArabia.''

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* ''LawrenceOfArabia.''Film/LawrenceOfArabia.''



* ''{{Ararat}}''

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* ''{{Ararat}}''''Film/{{Ararat}}''
22nd Apr '15 5:40:11 PM nombretomado
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* In ''AxisPowersHetalia'', the MoeAnthropomorphism of Turkey ''and'' the former Ottoman Empire (Sadiq Annan) appears once or twice with his troops around.

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* In ''AxisPowersHetalia'', ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'', the MoeAnthropomorphism of Turkey ''and'' the former Ottoman Empire (Sadiq Annan) appears once or twice with his troops around.
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