History UsefulNotes / Transgender

19th Jun '16 9:40:05 PM deathmaster87
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Since sex[[note]]categories based on anatomy at birth[[/note]] and gender[[note]]categories based on social roles or [[DontThinkFeel feelings]][[/note]] are frequently associated or conflated in most societies, including Western ones, babies with penises are designated baby boys and babies with vaginas are designated baby girls. [[{{Intersex}} Sometimes this gets difficult, of course.]] But "transgender" is an umbrella term that can be used to refer to all people whose genders don't match the ones they were designated. This includes (the most commonly depicted) "trans women", women who are designated male at birth; "trans men", men who are designated female at birth; and nonbinary people who don't identify as men or women (but can identify as a combination of men, women, and other genders), and even agender/neutrois people who don't identify as any established gender identity. There are also ''bigender'' people, who identify as ''both'' male and female, and are usually included in the "nonbinary" or "genderqueer" category above.

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Since sex[[note]]categories based on anatomy at birth[[/note]] and gender[[note]]categories based on social roles or [[DontThinkFeel feelings]][[/note]] feelings[[/note]] are frequently associated or conflated in most societies, including Western ones, babies with penises are designated baby boys and babies with vaginas are designated baby girls. [[{{Intersex}} Sometimes this gets difficult, of course.]] But "transgender" is an umbrella term that can be used to refer to all people whose genders don't match the ones they were designated. This includes (the most commonly depicted) "trans women", women who are designated male at birth; "trans men", men who are designated female at birth; and nonbinary people who don't identify as men or women (but can identify as a combination of men, women, and other genders), and even agender/neutrois people who don't identify as any established gender identity. There are also ''bigender'' people, who identify as ''both'' male and female, and are usually included in the "nonbinary" or "genderqueer" category above.
26th Apr '16 3:45:04 PM Eievie
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Since sex[[labelnote:*]]categories based on anatomy at birth[[/labelnote]] and gender[[labelnote:**]]categories based on social roles or [[DontThinkFeel feelings]][[/labelnote]] are frequently associated or conflated in most societies, including Western ones, babies with penises are designated baby boys and babies with vaginas are designated baby girls. [[{{Intersex}} Sometimes this gets difficult, of course]]. But "transgender" is an umbrella term that can be used to refer to all people whose genders don't match the ones they were designated. This includes (the most commonly depicted) "trans women", women who are designated male at birth; "trans men", men who are designated female at birth; and nonbinary people who don't identify as men or women (but can identify as a combination of men, women, and other genders), and even agender/neutrois people who don't identify as any established gender identity. There are also ''bigender'' people, who identify as ''both'' male and female, and are usually included in the "nonbinary" or "genderqueer" category above.

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Since sex[[labelnote:*]]categories sex[[note]]categories based on anatomy at birth[[/labelnote]] birth[[/note]] and gender[[labelnote:**]]categories gender[[note]]categories based on social roles or [[DontThinkFeel feelings]][[/labelnote]] feelings]][[/note]] are frequently associated or conflated in most societies, including Western ones, babies with penises are designated baby boys and babies with vaginas are designated baby girls. [[{{Intersex}} Sometimes this gets difficult, of course]]. course.]] But "transgender" is an umbrella term that can be used to refer to all people whose genders don't match the ones they were designated. This includes (the most commonly depicted) "trans women", women who are designated male at birth; "trans men", men who are designated female at birth; and nonbinary people who don't identify as men or women (but can identify as a combination of men, women, and other genders), and even agender/neutrois people who don't identify as any established gender identity. There are also ''bigender'' people, who identify as ''both'' male and female, and are usually included in the "nonbinary" or "genderqueer" category above.



'''Origins'''

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'''Origins'''
!!Origins



'''Self-discovery'''

Accepting one's own gender identity, or even acknowledging its existence, might take a while, going through stages of denial. This period seems to receive the least coverage in mainstream fiction, which is primarily concerned instead with either the start or the end (or near-end) of the path. An interesting phenomenon can take place that's essentially the reverse of gender dysphoria, which one may call "[[http://lightinthecloset.org/Euphoria.html gender euphoria]]". It seems under-represented in fiction, if represented at all: ManIFeelLikeAWoman could be considered TheThemeParkVersion, but gender euphoria doesn't require any physical changes to actually occur.

'''Transition'''

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'''Self-discovery'''

!!Self-discovery
Accepting one's own gender identity, or even acknowledging its existence, might take a while, going through stages of denial. This period seems to receive the least coverage in mainstream fiction, which is primarily concerned instead with either the start or the end (or near-end) of the path. An interesting phenomenon can take place that's essentially the reverse of gender dysphoria, which one may call "[[http://lightinthecloset.[[http://lightinthecloset.org/Euphoria.html gender euphoria]]"."gender euphoria"]]. It seems under-represented in fiction, if represented at all: ManIFeelLikeAWoman could be considered TheThemeParkVersion, but gender euphoria doesn't require any physical changes to actually occur.

'''Transition'''
!!Transition



Two myths need to be debunked there. First, hormones aren't AppliedPhlebotinum -- they can only do so much. While they do cause things like breast growth and thinning of body hair for trans women, or on the contrary, growth of body hair for trans men, as well as some voice changes (for trans men only, because testosterone's changes to the voicebox are permanent) and redistribution of body fat -- they don't magically alter the skeleton to adjust body shape, nor do they remove facial hair, which has to be done separately. Some skeletal adjustments do happen - the skeleton is a living part of the body, after all, and there is increasing evidence that it continues to develop and change through adult life, but more slowly and on a much more subtle level - but they take years and may never have more than a slight visual effect.

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Two myths need to be debunked there. First, hormones aren't AppliedPhlebotinum -- they can only do so much. While they do cause things like breast growth and thinning of body hair for trans women, or on the contrary, growth of body hair for trans men, as well as some voice changes (for trans men only, because testosterone's changes to the voicebox are permanent) and redistribution of body fat -- they don't magically alter the skeleton to adjust body shape, nor do they remove facial hair, which has to be done separately. Some skeletal adjustments do happen - -- the skeleton is a living part of the body, after all, and there is increasing evidence that it continues to develop and change through adult life, but more slowly and on a much more subtle level - -- but they take years and may never have more than a slight visual effect.



'''Transsexual vs. Transgender'''

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'''Transsexual !!Transsexual vs. Transgender'''
Transgender



'''Sexuality'''

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'''Sexuality'''
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'''Stealth or not'''

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'''Stealth !!Stealth or not'''
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Others, either out of necessity (their bodies simply ''don't'' transform well enough to pass completely - for example, a trans man whose height topped out at 4"11 and can't develop enough muscle mass to look "masculine" in a culture where "manly men" are tall and muscular, or a trans woman whose broad shoulder structure and masculine facial structure cannot be altered via surgery) or simple preference for androgyny, choose a more androgynous presentation.

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Others, either out of necessity (their bodies simply ''don't'' transform well enough to pass completely - -- for example, a trans man whose height topped out at 4"11 and can't develop enough muscle mass to look "masculine" in a culture where "manly men" are tall and muscular, or a trans woman whose broad shoulder structure and masculine facial structure cannot be altered via surgery) or simple preference for androgyny, choose a more androgynous presentation.



The important takeaway here is that unless you are a close friend (and even then be very, very, VERY careful) ''do not'' offer "helpful advice" on passing unless it is asked of you. Said advice may be unwanted at best, as well as something already known but ignored or impossible, even if it isn't physically impossible (e.g. changing a stable "pink collar" job like waitressing/waitering or a secretary job for an unstable "man's job" like construction worker or mechanic is a ''bad'' idea in a bad economy), and at worst - especially if you are not yourself transgender - a deep and horrific personal insult. Finally, some of the more androgynous transgender persons see fixation with passing as CompensatingForSomething and therefore just another form of closeting (e.g. "what's the point of coming out of the closet if you have to immediately closet your sexual orientation or your interests or your looks to fit in with gender stereotypes?").

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The important takeaway here is that unless you are a close friend (and even then be very, very, VERY '''very''' careful) ''do not'' offer "helpful advice" on passing unless it is asked of you. Said advice may be unwanted at best, as well as something already known but ignored or impossible, even if it isn't physically impossible (e.g. changing a stable "pink collar" job like waitressing/waitering or a secretary job for an unstable "man's job" like construction worker or mechanic is a ''bad'' idea in a bad economy), and at worst - -- especially if you are not yourself transgender - -- a deep and horrific personal insult. Finally, some of the more androgynous transgender persons see fixation with passing as CompensatingForSomething and therefore just another form of closeting (e.g. "what's the point of coming out of the closet if you have to immediately closet your sexual orientation or your interests or your looks to fit in with gender stereotypes?").



** Transgender people are no more "freakish" or the AttentionWhore on average than cisgender people. Again, while there are some exceptions, these do not speak for all transgender people, and there are a lot of transgender people who ''do'' focus on being "normal" and being stealth and not attracting notice of any sort. That said, even the "freakish" people aren't necessarily seeking attention or wishing to start drama with their existence - it is thoroughly possible to be someone who is seen as "freakish" or "weird" by mainstream society and yet be entirely harmless and non-attention seeking. It is also thoroughly possible to be "different" or "unusual" and only be so to be oneself - not in any attempt to draw attention for it. Finally, ''even the AttentionWhore'' is generally harmless, if annoying - not deserving of social ostracism and punishment to "make them normal" or "make them go away and shut up" - to bully even a confirmed AttentionWhore is also pointless, because a true AttentionWhore ''does not want to be normal,'' and maybe the person isn't actually an AttentionWhore but is just living their own life in a different way because that is what they are comfortable with, in which case bullying and ostracising them goes beyond pointless into cruel and discriminatory.
** Transgender people have the same range of sexuality and sexual behavior as cisgender people. While sex work ''is'' more common among the community (mostly due to the same economic reason that SingleMomStripper exists as a trope - when you ''can't'' get work or work with reasonable pay anywhere else, sex work is one of the few options left), ''not every transgender person is a sex worker.'' Also, while some may be kinky (from everywhere from the lighter end of BDSM to hardcore highly risky practices), others may not be or may only be in specific settings. Nor do transgender people develop a desire for sex with anything and everything - in fact, the rate of pedophilia and bestiality is ''lower'' among the community than among cisgender heterosexual males.

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** Transgender people are no more "freakish" or the AttentionWhore on average than cisgender people. Again, while there are some exceptions, these do not speak for all transgender people, and there are a lot of transgender people who ''do'' focus on being "normal" and being stealth and not attracting notice of any sort. That said, even the "freakish" people aren't necessarily seeking attention or wishing to start drama with their existence - -- it is thoroughly possible to be someone who is seen as "freakish" or "weird" by mainstream society and yet be entirely harmless and non-attention seeking. It is also thoroughly possible to be "different" or "unusual" and only be so to be oneself - -- not in any attempt to draw attention for it. Finally, ''even the AttentionWhore'' is generally harmless, if annoying - -- not deserving of social ostracism and punishment to "make them normal" or "make them go away and shut up" - -- to bully even a confirmed AttentionWhore is also pointless, because a true AttentionWhore ''does not want to be normal,'' and maybe the person isn't actually an AttentionWhore but is just living their own life in a different way because that is what they are comfortable with, in which case bullying and ostracising them goes beyond pointless into cruel and discriminatory.
** Transgender people have the same range of sexuality and sexual behavior as cisgender people. While sex work ''is'' more common among the community (mostly due to the same economic reason that SingleMomStripper exists as a trope - -- when you ''can't'' get work or work with reasonable pay anywhere else, sex work is one of the few options left), ''not every transgender person is a sex worker.'' Also, while some may be kinky (from everywhere from the lighter end of BDSM to hardcore highly risky practices), others may not be or may only be in specific settings. Nor do transgender people develop a desire for sex with anything and everything - -- in fact, the rate of pedophilia and bestiality is ''lower'' among the community than among cisgender heterosexual males.



** This can even sometimes result in a ViciousCycle of instability based in the reality that when people are treated badly and disrespected, they tend to expect more of the same from those doing it - and the solution isn't to blame them as "unstable" but to encourage others to cut some slack for this, to understand that someone may have been legitimately hurt and may not be incredibly sociable/interested in family or may have unusually strong boundaries due to that, for example. Or to understand that someone might have bad credit/a bad rental history and still be a good tenant or a good worker who just needs someone to give them a chance to prove themselves. The "mental instability of trans people," aside from trans people who actually ''do'' have severe mental illnesses unconnected to their status, is pretty much solely the result of their being treated and marginalized as if they are creepy/weird/dangerous/fragile.

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** This can even sometimes result in a ViciousCycle of instability based in the reality that when people are treated badly and disrespected, they tend to expect more of the same from those doing it - -- and the solution isn't to blame them as "unstable" but to encourage others to cut some slack for this, to understand that someone may have been legitimately hurt and may not be incredibly sociable/interested in family or may have unusually strong boundaries due to that, for example. Or to understand that someone might have bad credit/a bad rental history and still be a good tenant or a good worker who just needs someone to give them a chance to prove themselves. The "mental instability of trans people," aside from trans people who actually ''do'' have severe mental illnesses unconnected to their status, is pretty much solely the result of their being treated and marginalized as if they are creepy/weird/dangerous/fragile.



** Some anecdotal evidence tends to point to the "invisible physical condition" theory as well: for example, many [=trans men=] report having deeper voices, PCOS symptoms, male pattern hair loss, difficult/painful menstruation, mood swings, or severe fatigue even before transitioning at all and/or when having to be off outside testosterone - which hints at the "natural" state involving a higher amount of testosterone or a different response to it. Or as an alternate theory, a ''lower'' amount when the body's balance would be better with the same amount cisgender males naturally have and is instead functioning on a too-high for the individual level of estrogen and progesterone - putting the trans man not on outside testosterone in a similar place biologically as a cisgender male whose body didn't produce the proper level of the hormone.

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** Some anecdotal evidence tends to point to the "invisible physical condition" theory as well: for example, many [=trans men=] trans men report having deeper voices, PCOS symptoms, male pattern hair loss, difficult/painful menstruation, mood swings, or severe fatigue even before transitioning at all and/or when having to be off outside testosterone - -- which hints at the "natural" state involving a higher amount of testosterone or a different response to it. Or as an alternate theory, a ''lower'' amount when the body's balance would be better with the same amount cisgender males naturally have and is instead functioning on a too-high for the individual level of estrogen and progesterone - -- putting the trans man not on outside testosterone in a similar place biologically as a cisgender male whose body didn't produce the proper level of the hormone.
22nd Feb '16 4:33:58 PM IzzyMaleficent
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None of this is relevant to whether they are actually "trans enough" or not, despite what [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment some may say]]. The five foot one trans man who keeps his "pink collar" job/doesn't bulk up/is asexual/doesn't like sports/still has to use the ladies room in some situations/etc is ''just as much of a man'' as the six foot tall one who retrained to a more traditionally "male" job/got into bodybuilding/developed a reputation as a heterosexual [[TheCasanova Casanova]]/is a huge sports fan/who would never have to fear for his safety in a restroom/etc. The broad-shouldered and deep-voiced trans woman who works in occupations related to her past work in the military/identifies as a lesbian/doesn't have much of an interest in makeup and fashion/is barred by law from using the ladies room is ''just as much of a woman'' as the slight and thin one who became a teacher or nurse or housewife/who got married to a very masculine cisgender man/always has absolutely perfect fashion and makeup/lives in a place where no one or the law would question her right to use the ladies' room.

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None of this is relevant to whether they are actually "trans enough" or not, despite what [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment some may say]]. The five foot one trans man who keeps his "pink collar" job/doesn't bulk up/is asexual/doesn't like sports/still has to use the ladies room in some situations/etc is ''just as much of a man'' as the six foot tall one who retrained to a more traditionally "male" job/got into bodybuilding/developed a reputation as a heterosexual [[TheCasanova Casanova]]/is a huge sports fan/who would never have to fear for his safety in a restroom/etc. The broad-shouldered and deep-voiced trans woman who works in occupations related to her past work in the military/identifies as military/is a lesbian/doesn't have much of an interest in makeup and fashion/is barred by law from using the ladies room is ''just as much of a woman'' as the slight and thin one who became a teacher or nurse or housewife/who got married to a very masculine cisgender man/always has absolutely perfect fashion and makeup/lives in a place where no one or the law would question her right to use the ladies' room.
29th Dec '15 12:17:26 PM jcooper5
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** A newer study confirms the above's results [[http://cercor.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2014/09/12/cercor.bhu194.full]]
9th Nov '15 2:25:07 AM Fireblood
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** It has now been [[http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan.html#.Uk1rjyTrxD8 shown]] that transgender people possess brain structures similar to their cis counterparts, proving further they are not just mentally ill.
7th Nov '15 2:21:32 PM JamesAustin
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->''I'm a guy, like 100 percent dude. But I was born in a girl's body.''
-->- Adam Torres, ''Series/{{Degrassi}}''

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->''I'm ->''"I'm a guy, like 100 percent dude. But I was born in a girl's body.''
-->- Adam Torres,
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-->-- '''Adam Torres''',
''Series/{{Degrassi}}''
20th Sep '15 5:03:03 PM NineandZero
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** Transgender people are not exemplified by what you may have seen on ''[[Series/TheJerrySpringerShow Jerry Springer]]'' or in the more freakish media portrayals, and are no more inclined toward violent or "dangerous" behavior than the common cisgender population. In the case of trans women, the hormones they are on are actually generally ''less'' conducive to violence or sexual predation. In the case of trans men, the dosage of testosterone most are on is ''not'' enough to induce "roid rage" or violent mood swings and most have lived long enough socialized as women to ''not'' seek violence as the first and only solution to a bad day or a mood swing. Most transgender people are more likely to be the ''victims'' of violence or sexual assault than the perpetrators of it, or to be capable of violence (martial arts or street fighting skill, carrying a knife or firearm) but only willing to use it in self-defense to stop someone from raping or killing them or someone else.

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** Transgender people are not exemplified by what you may have seen on ''[[Series/TheJerrySpringerShow Jerry Springer]]'' or in the more freakish media portrayals, and are no more inclined toward violent or "dangerous" behavior than the common cisgender population. In the case of trans women, the hormones they are on are actually generally ''less'' conducive to violence or sexual predation. In the case of trans men, the dosage of testosterone most are on is ''not'' enough to induce "roid rage" or violent mood swings and most have lived long enough socialized as women closeted transmen (which is very similar to female socialization) to ''not'' seek violence as the first and only solution to a bad day or a mood swing. Most transgender people are more likely to be the ''victims'' of violence or sexual assault than the perpetrators of it, or to be capable of violence (martial arts or street fighting skill, carrying a knife or firearm) but only willing to use it in self-defense to stop someone from raping or killing them or someone else.
20th Sep '15 4:55:19 PM NineandZero
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Some dysphoria is less physical, where their body parts themselves may not cause them great discomfort they find that the mere idea of being perceived as the wrong gender because of those body parts does. As stated above, manifestation of dysphoria depends on the transperson.
27th Aug '15 6:33:00 PM bxxchcraft
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Others, either out of necessity (their bodies simply ''don't'' transform well enough to pass completely - for example, a trans man whose height topped out at 4"11 and can't develop enough muscle mass to look "masculine" in a culture where "manly men" are tall and muscular, or a trans woman whose broad shoulder structure and masculine facial structure cannot be repaired via surgery) or simple preference for androgyny, choose a more androgynous presentation.

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Others, either out of necessity (their bodies simply ''don't'' transform well enough to pass completely - for example, a trans man whose height topped out at 4"11 and can't develop enough muscle mass to look "masculine" in a culture where "manly men" are tall and muscular, or a trans woman whose broad shoulder structure and masculine facial structure cannot be repaired altered via surgery) or simple preference for androgyny, choose a more androgynous presentation.
1st Jun '15 10:58:21 AM ShinyTsukkomi
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** Transgender people are not exemplified by what you may have seen on JerrySpringer or in the more freakish media portrayals, and are no more inclined toward violent or "dangerous" behavior than the common cisgender population. In the case of trans women, the hormones they are on are actually generally ''less'' conducive to violence or sexual predation. In the case of trans men, the dosage of testosterone most are on is ''not'' enough to induce "roid rage" or violent mood swings and most have lived long enough socialized as women to ''not'' seek violence as the first and only solution to a bad day or a mood swing. Most transgender people are more likely to be the ''victims'' of violence or sexual assault than the perpetrators of it, or to be capable of violence (martial arts or street fighting skill, carrying a knife or firearm) but only willing to use it in self-defense to stop someone from raping or killing them or someone else.

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** Transgender people are not exemplified by what you may have seen on JerrySpringer ''[[Series/TheJerrySpringerShow Jerry Springer]]'' or in the more freakish media portrayals, and are no more inclined toward violent or "dangerous" behavior than the common cisgender population. In the case of trans women, the hormones they are on are actually generally ''less'' conducive to violence or sexual predation. In the case of trans men, the dosage of testosterone most are on is ''not'' enough to induce "roid rage" or violent mood swings and most have lived long enough socialized as women to ''not'' seek violence as the first and only solution to a bad day or a mood swing. Most transgender people are more likely to be the ''victims'' of violence or sexual assault than the perpetrators of it, or to be capable of violence (martial arts or street fighting skill, carrying a knife or firearm) but only willing to use it in self-defense to stop someone from raping or killing them or someone else.
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