History UsefulNotes / Transgender

30th Mar '18 2:18:19 AM Solle
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Since sex[[note]]categories based on anatomy at birth and biology, i.e. chromosomes[[/note]] and gender[[note]]categories based on social roles or feelings[[/note]] are frequently associated or conflated in most societies, including Western ones, babies with penises are designated baby boys and babies with vaginas are designated baby girls. [[{{Intersex}} Sometimes this gets difficult, of course.]] But "transgender" is an umbrella term that can be used to refer to all people whose genders don't match the sex they were designated based on visual factors and DNA. This includes (the most commonly depicted) "trans women", women who are designated male at birth; "trans men", men who are designated female at birth; and nonbinary people who don't identify as men or women (but can identify as a combination of men, women, and other genders), and even agender/neutrois people who don't identify as any established gender identity. There are also ''bigender'' people, who identify as ''both'' male and female, and are usually included in the "nonbinary" or "genderqueer" category above.

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Since sex[[note]]categories based on anatomy at birth gender[[note]]the innate knowledge of how male and biology, i.e. chromosomes[[/note]] female you are[[/note]] and gender[[note]]categories based on social roles or feelings[[/note]] sex[[note]]all the other innate bits, such as chromosomes, genitals and fat distribution[[/note]] are frequently associated or conflated in most societies, including Western ones, babies with penises are designated baby boys and babies with vaginas are designated baby girls. [[{{Intersex}} Sometimes this gets difficult, Nature is more complicated than that, of course.]] But "transgender" is an umbrella term that can be used to refer to all people whose genders don't match the sex they were designated based on visual factors and DNA. This includes (the most commonly depicted) "trans women", women who are designated male at birth; "trans men", men who are designated female at birth; and nonbinary people who don't identify as men or women (but can identify as a combination of men, women, and other genders), and even agender/neutrois people who don't identify as any established gender identity. There are also ''bigender'' people, who identify as ''both'' male and female, and are usually included in the "nonbinary" or "genderqueer" category above.
28th Feb '18 2:02:00 PM Mineboot45
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Two myths need to be debunked there. First, hormones aren't AppliedPhlebotinum -- they can only do so much. While they do cause things like breast growth and thinning of body hair for trans women, or on the contrary, growth of body hair for trans men, as well as some voice changes (for trans men only, because testosterone's changes to the voicebox are permanent, and of note that vocal cords"set" around age 30, so men who begin hormone therapy after 30 may experience less dramatic deepening and need to retrain themselves to speak from lower in their throat, much like women who underwent a testosterone-induced voice change before beginning hormones. For both cases, learning to sing can be incredibly helpful--in any sort of traditional style;e.g., traditional Japanese pentatonic scale can be just as helpful as Western operatic training, and so can Cantonese operatic style--the point is learning full exploitation of one's vocal cords, and knowing those abilities enough to be able to apply it to talking, permanently and without damaging the cords) and redistribution of body fat -- they don't magically alter the skeleton to adjust body shape, nor do they remove facial hair, which has to be done separately. Some skeletal adjustments do happen -- the skeleton is a living part of the body, after all, and there is increasing evidence that it continues to develop and change through adult life, but more slowly and on a much more subtle level -- but they take years and may never have more than a slight visual effect.

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Two myths need to be debunked there. First, hormones aren't AppliedPhlebotinum -- they can only do so much. While they do cause things like breast growth and thinning of body hair for trans women, or on the contrary, growth of body hair for trans men, as well as some voice changes (for trans men only, because testosterone's changes to the voicebox are permanent, and of note that vocal cords"set" cords "set" around age 30, so men who begin hormone therapy after 30 may experience less dramatic deepening and need to retrain themselves to speak from lower in their throat, much like women who underwent a testosterone-induced voice change before beginning hormones. For both cases, learning to sing can be incredibly helpful--in any sort of traditional style;e.g., traditional Japanese pentatonic scale can be just as helpful as Western operatic training, and so can Cantonese operatic style--the point is learning full exploitation of one's vocal cords, and knowing those abilities enough to be able to apply it to talking, permanently and without damaging the cords) and redistribution of body fat -- they don't magically alter the skeleton to adjust body shape, nor do they remove facial hair, which has to be done separately. Some skeletal adjustments do happen -- the skeleton is a living part of the body, after all, and there is increasing evidence that it continues to develop and change through adult life, but more slowly and on a much more subtle level -- but they take years and may never have more than a slight visual effect.
28th Feb '18 1:55:10 PM Mineboot45
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Consider the typical involuntary GenderBender plot (such as in ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'', or with Roy in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick''): the victim often outright hates or is ashamed by their new body, experiencing discomfort with it and seeking ways to remove the "curse". This is how many cisgender people[[note]]those whose gender matches their asigned sex, i.e. a man who is born with a penis[[/note]] people might react, while many transgender people would [[CursedWithAwesome consider the "curse" a blessing]]. In fact, transition (see below) exists exactly because there's no convenient way in real life to quickly change a human's physical sex. Yet, anyway. If there was one, transition would largely be limited to social adaptation to the new gender role.

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Consider the typical involuntary GenderBender plot (such as in ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'', or with Roy in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick''): the victim often outright hates or is ashamed by their new body, experiencing discomfort with it and seeking ways to remove the "curse". This is how many cisgender people[[note]]those whose gender matches their asigned assigned sex, i.e. a man who is born with a penis[[/note]] people might react, while many transgender people would [[CursedWithAwesome consider the "curse" a blessing]]. In fact, transition (see below) exists exactly because there's no convenient way in real life to quickly change a human's physical sex. Yet, anyway. If there was one, transition would largely be limited to social adaptation to the new gender role.
18th Feb '18 4:08:35 PM chairdesklamp
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However, older transgender people may still use this term. The origins of changing the term was that cisgender heterosexuals used the term with the suffix "-sexual" against transgender people, claiming it was a sexual fetish, and that trans people were not legitimate or deserving of either respect or (transition related) medical care. The term transgender clarifies that it is not orientation (unlike, say, bisexual, which is an orientation) and does not lend itself to corruption of the term for the purpose of excusing bigotry. All in all, what one uses for themselves is their choice and no-one else's, but cisgender people would do well to use "transgender," and it is also the proper term in any sort of public/medical/academic capacity.
18th Feb '18 3:59:10 PM chairdesklamp
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Some dysphoria is less physical, where their body parts themselves may not cause them great discomfort they find that the mere idea of being perceived as the wrong gender because of those body parts does. As stated above, manifestation of dysphoria depends on the transperson.

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Some dysphoria is less physical, where their body parts themselves may not cause them great discomfort they find that the mere idea of being perceived as the wrong gender because of those body parts does. As stated above, manifestation of dysphoria depends on the transperson.
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Two myths need to be debunked there. First, hormones aren't AppliedPhlebotinum -- they can only do so much. While they do cause things like breast growth and thinning of body hair for trans women, or on the contrary, growth of body hair for trans men, as well as some voice changes (for trans men only, because testosterone's changes to the voicebox are permanent) and redistribution of body fat -- they don't magically alter the skeleton to adjust body shape, nor do they remove facial hair, which has to be done separately. Some skeletal adjustments do happen -- the skeleton is a living part of the body, after all, and there is increasing evidence that it continues to develop and change through adult life, but more slowly and on a much more subtle level -- but they take years and may never have more than a slight visual effect.

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Two myths need to be debunked there. First, hormones aren't AppliedPhlebotinum -- they can only do so much. While they do cause things like breast growth and thinning of body hair for trans women, or on the contrary, growth of body hair for trans men, as well as some voice changes (for trans men only, because testosterone's changes to the voicebox are permanent) permanent, and of note that vocal cords"set" around age 30, so men who begin hormone therapy after 30 may experience less dramatic deepening and need to retrain themselves to speak from lower in their throat, much like women who underwent a testosterone-induced voice change before beginning hormones. For both cases, learning to sing can be incredibly helpful--in any sort of traditional style;e.g., traditional Japanese pentatonic scale can be just as helpful as Western operatic training, and so can Cantonese operatic style--the point is learning full exploitation of one's vocal cords, and knowing those abilities enough to be able to apply it to talking, permanently and without damaging the cords) and redistribution of body fat -- they don't magically alter the skeleton to adjust body shape, nor do they remove facial hair, which has to be done separately. Some skeletal adjustments do happen -- the skeleton is a living part of the body, after all, and there is increasing evidence that it continues to develop and change through adult life, but more slowly and on a much more subtle level -- but they take years and may never have more than a slight visual effect.
16th Jan '18 6:11:24 AM Mineboot45
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* For more information on Transgender people and their experience see [[http://trans.wikia.com/ trans wiki]]
* for help writing a transgender Character see [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=14594331460A13900800 A Single Unified LGBT Character Thread]] in the forums

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* For more information on Transgender transgender people and their experience experience, see [[http://trans.wikia.com/ the trans wiki]]
wiki]].
* for For help writing a transgender Character character, see [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=14594331460A13900800 A Single Unified LGBT Character Thread]] in the forumsforums.
3rd Sep '17 4:52:48 PM Malady
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Sexual orientation can be difficult to describe in a binary, ciscentric framework. Traditional labels, like "heterosexual," "{{homosexual}}" and "UsefulNotes/{{bisexual}}", are based on the gender binary, and break down when the very framework of gender is in question, although many transgender people use them for themselves nonetheless. Without getting too philosophical, however, they are like everyone in this respect -- they may have a sexual preference for males, females, both or neither (or for wider or narrower sections of the gender spectrum), regardless of the direction of their identity. There are [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gynephilia_and_androphilia proposed terms]] for sexual orientation that would help resolve the ambiguities, but they are yet to meet universal recognition.

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Sexual orientation can be difficult to describe in a binary, ciscentric framework. Traditional labels, like "heterosexual," "{{homosexual}}" "UsefulNotes/{{homosexual}}" and "UsefulNotes/{{bisexual}}", are based on the gender binary, and break down when the very framework of gender is in question, although many transgender people use them for themselves nonetheless. Without getting too philosophical, however, they are like everyone in this respect -- they may have a sexual preference for males, females, both or neither (or for wider or narrower sections of the gender spectrum), regardless of the direction of their identity. There are [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gynephilia_and_androphilia proposed terms]] for sexual orientation that would help resolve the ambiguities, but they are yet to meet universal recognition.
5th Aug '17 6:01:21 PM TheKaizerreich
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** It has now been [[http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan.html#.Uk1rjyTrxD8 shown]] that transgender people possess brain structures similar to their cis counterparts, proving further they are not just mentally ill. A newer study confirms the above's results.

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** It has now been [[http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan.html#.Uk1rjyTrxD8 shown]] that transgender people possess brain structures similar to their cis counterparts, proving further they are not just mentally ill. A newer study (whose link has sadly expired) confirms the above's results.
5th Aug '17 6:00:54 PM TheKaizerreich
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** It has now been [[http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan.html#.Uk1rjyTrxD8 shown]] that transgender people possess brain structures similar to their cis counterparts, proving further they are not just mentally ill. A [[http://cercor.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2014/09/12/cercor.bhu194.full newer study]] confirms the above's results.

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** It has now been [[http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan.html#.Uk1rjyTrxD8 shown]] that transgender people possess brain structures similar to their cis counterparts, proving further they are not just mentally ill. A [[http://cercor.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2014/09/12/cercor.bhu194.full newer study]] study confirms the above's results.
5th Aug '17 5:52:29 PM TheKaizerreich
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The other side is physical change -- becoming closer in appearance and function to the target sex -- which can be motivated not just by desire of social acceptance, but also by psychological issues of self-esteem, and yes, the "wrong body" feeling. Much is written in details about physical transition as well, involving voice training/alteration, sex-specific steps (e.g. hair or breast removal), the proverbial hormone therapy, and the even more proverbial "op" -- that is, genital surgery.

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The other side is physical change -- becoming closer in appearance and function to the target sex gender -- which can be motivated not just by desire of social acceptance, but also by psychological issues of self-esteem, and yes, the "wrong body" feeling. Much is written in details about physical transition as well, involving voice training/alteration, sex-specific steps (e.g. hair or breast removal), the proverbial hormone therapy, and the even more proverbial "op" -- that is, genital surgery.
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