History UsefulNotes / TheTroubles

26th Apr '16 6:42:00 PM bt8257
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* The Music/{{U2}} song, "Sunday, Bloody Sunday" from their album ''Music/{{War}}''. The most famous live performance of it is on ''Music/RattleAndHum'' when Bono denounced the Irish-Americans who ignorantly cheered the bloody partisan violence in Ireland.

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* The Music/{{U2}} song, "Sunday, "Sunday Bloody Sunday" from their album ''Music/{{War}}''. The most famous live performance of it is on ''Music/RattleAndHum'' when Bono denounced the Irish-Americans who ignorantly cheered the bloody partisan violence in Ireland.



* Music/PaulMcCartney and Music/{{Wings}}' 1972 single "Give Ireland Back to the Irish". Despite being completely banned from UK radio, it reached the Top 20 on the charts there and went all the way to #1 in the Republic of Ireland (no surprise there) and Spain (after being bought by Basques).

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* Music/PaulMcCartney and Music/{{Wings}}' 1972 single "Give Ireland Back to the Irish". Despite being completely banned from UK radio, it reached the Top 20 on the charts there and went all the way to #1 in the Republic of Ireland (no surprise there) surprise) and Spain (after being bought by Basques).



* Many Irish traditional songs are thinly-disguised allusions to the fight for independence from the British. [[Music/ThinLizzy Thin Lizzie]]'s first hit, ''Whiskey in the Jar'' (a traditional Irish folk song), is on the face of it a song about a roguish highwayman whose luck runs out and who is awaiting execution. When you listen closely, it becomes apparent that his holding up and robbing a British Army officer only to be betrayed by a faithless girlfriend is a metaphor for ''something else'' entirely. Folk-rockers [[Music/SteeleyeSpan Steeleye Span]] had a hit with ''All Around My Hat (I will wear the green willow)''. Not just a song about a girl remembering her distant boyfriend by wearing a sprig of willow in her hat, but subtly advertising other loyalties by wearing something growing and green. (And why is the boyfriend "far, far, away"? To get out of reach of the British...)

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* Many Irish traditional songs are thinly-disguised allusions to the fight for independence from the British. [[Music/ThinLizzy Thin Lizzie]]'s Music/ThinLizzy's first hit, ''Whiskey in the Jar'' (a traditional Irish folk song), is on the face of it a song about a roguish highwayman whose luck runs out and who is awaiting execution. When you listen closely, it becomes apparent that his holding up and robbing a British Army officer only to be betrayed by a faithless girlfriend is a metaphor for ''something else'' entirely. Folk-rockers [[Music/SteeleyeSpan Steeleye Span]] had a hit with ''All Around My Hat (I will wear the green willow)''. Not just a song about a girl remembering her distant boyfriend by wearing a sprig of willow in her hat, but subtly advertising other loyalties by wearing something growing and green. (And why is the boyfriend "far, far, away"? To get out of reach of the British...)
30th Mar '16 4:05:08 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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In both Ireland (both sides) and England, it is considered extremely offensive, when using this term, to ''not'' speak of it with a capital "T". You say "the troubles", they say '''the Troubles'''. At its peak, you could get shot at if you walked down the street holding the wrong flag. And there are still many parts of Northern Ireland that blatantly display the Union Jack or the Irish Tricolour, and have its colours on bunting and painted on their kerbs.

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In both Ireland (both sides) and England, it is considered extremely offensive, when using this term, to ''not'' speak of it with a capital "T". You say "the troubles", they say '''the Troubles'''. At its peak, you could get shot at if you walked down the street holding the wrong flag. And there are still many parts of Northern Ireland that blatantly display the Union Jack or the Irish Tricolour, and have its colours on bunting and painted on their kerbs.
8th Mar '16 8:34:47 PM Fireblood
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[[NiceJobBreakingItHero Alas, this caused more harm than good.]] The IRA, then just a small faction, spread untrue (at the time) rumors that the Army was colluding with loyalists, whilst loyalist paramilitaries feared losing their "privileges". For more extreme republicans, [[OccupiersOutOfOurCountry their very presence was unforgivable]]. In August 1971, in response to increasing violence from partisans, the British government launched Operation Demetrius, where anyone suspected of being in the IRA would be arrested and interned without trial. Also interned was any groups of people considered a threat to the regime, such as civil rights marchers, trade unionists and communists.

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[[NiceJobBreakingItHero Alas, this caused more harm than good.]] The IRA, then just a small faction, spread untrue (at the time) rumors that the Army was colluding with loyalists, whilst loyalist paramilitaries feared losing their "privileges". For more extreme republicans, [[OccupiersOutOfOurCountry their very presence was unforgivable]]. In August 1971, in response to increasing violence from partisans, the British government launched Operation Demetrius, where anyone suspected of being in the IRA would be arrested and interned without trial. Also interned was any groups of people considered a threat to the regime, such as civil rights marchers, trade unionists and communists.
communists. This caused predictable protests, along with further violence and distrust for the government among the Catholic/nationalist populace.



Violence increased through TheSeventies and TheEighties, with IRA bombings and shootouts with the British being a common feature. Faced with escalating violence, crackdowns became more severe -- tanks were used to occupy free Derry, while elements of security forces colluded with loyalists. Many of the controversial features of TheWarOnTerror -- the renditions, the torture, detention without trial, and the like -- saw their bloody precursors here. Gradually, both sides became more extreme. Some branches of the IRA now began to target civilians on the British mainland, and loyalists, aided by a branch of MI5 known as the FRU began a pogrom, killing random civilians in retaliation for attacks by IRA partisans. Riots were common, and a Berlin-style system of walls and checkpoints was enforced in Belfast and Derry to keep the feuding communities apart. The IRA became ever more brazen, killing Louis Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma, war hero and mentor to Prince Charles, on his yacht off the coast of County Sligo in 1979 (and it's something of a ShootTheShaggyDog story -- Mountbatten was ''favorable'' to the Irish cause), and nearly doing in UsefulNotes/MargaretThatcher, then in Brighton for a 1984 Tory convention (though with five deaths).

In 1981, 10 hunger strikers went on hunger strike in the Long Kesh internment camp protesting their poor treatment and demanding prisoner-of-war status. Hunger striker Bobby Sands was elected to parliament and after his death protests and memorials took place throughout the world - particularly in America and former Nazi-occupied countries such as France. In 1985, the Anglo-Irish Agreement gave Dublin a "consultative role" in the government of Northern Ireland, to outrage by the Loyalists and Unionists.

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Violence increased through TheSeventies and TheEighties, with IRA bombings and shootouts with the British being a common feature. Faced with escalating violence, crackdowns became more severe -- tanks were used to occupy free Derry, while elements of security forces colluded with loyalists. Many of the controversial features of TheWarOnTerror -- the renditions, the torture, detention without trial, and the like -- saw their bloody precursors here. Gradually, both sides became more extreme. Some branches of the IRA now began to target civilians on the British mainland, and loyalists, aided by a branch of MI5 known as the FRU began a pogrom, killing random Catholic civilians in retaliation for attacks by IRA partisans. Riots were common, and a Berlin-style system of walls and checkpoints was enforced in Belfast and Derry to keep the feuding communities apart. The IRA became ever more brazen, killing Louis Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma, war hero and mentor to Prince Charles, on his yacht off the coast of County Sligo in 1979 (and it's something of a ShootTheShaggyDog story -- Mountbatten was ''favorable'' to the Irish cause), and nearly doing in UsefulNotes/MargaretThatcher, then in Brighton for a 1984 Tory convention (though with five deaths).

In 1981, 10 hunger strikers went on hunger strike in the Long Kesh internment camp protesting their poor treatment and demanding prisoner-of-war status. Hunger striker Bobby Sands was elected to parliament parliament, and after his death protests and memorials took place throughout the world - particularly in America and former Nazi-occupied countries such as France. In 1985, the Anglo-Irish Agreement gave Dublin a "consultative role" in the government of Northern Ireland, to outrage by the Loyalists and Unionists.
20th Feb '16 6:53:31 AM Dawkeye
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* ''Odd Man Out'' (1947), directed by Creator/CarolReed, features Creator/JamesMason as the leader of "an illegal organisation", who goes on the run in "[[NoCommunitiesWereHarmed a city of Northern Ireland]]" after being injured when an ArmedBlag goes wrong. Reed had to recut the DownerEnding after it was criticized for being too violent.
12th Jan '16 2:58:24 PM DarkPhoenix94
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* ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'' has the subject mentioned in reference to Sean Cassidy's backstory, in which his wife was killed in an IRA bombing and explained as why the Death Eaters' attacks weren't really noticed. It is acknowledged to be a touchy subject and presented fairly neutrally with Hermione mostly explaining the historic facts of the matter to Harry - who knows the basics - and Ron - who doesn't, and the focus is on the general devastation on both sides, with no moral judgement being made on either side, the tone being tilted towards WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife. It is also accurately noted that the violence didn't completely end with the Good Friday Agreement of 1998.

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* ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'' has the subject mentioned in reference to Sean Cassidy's backstory, in which his pregnant wife was killed in an IRA bombing (resulting in his devastation of the cell responsible) and explained as why the Death Eaters' attacks weren't really noticed. noticed by the muggle populace. It is acknowledged to be a touchy subject and presented fairly neutrally with Hermione mostly explaining the historic facts of the matter to Harry - who knows the basics - and Ron - who doesn't, and the doesn't. The focus is on the general devastation on both sides, with no moral judgement being made on either side, and the tone being tilted towards WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife. It is also accurately noted that the violence didn't completely end with the Good Friday Agreement of 1998.
25th Nov '15 12:41:06 AM MasoTey
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* One of the Literature/MalkoLinge novels (''Furie à Belfast''/''The Belfast Connection'') uses the Troubles as a backdrop.
9th Nov '15 7:08:45 AM LtFedora
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* For the Film/JamesBond film ''{{Film/Skyfall}}'', this is part of the backstory for Gareth Mallory [[spoiler: (the new M)]], who was a Lt. Colonel in the SAS and survived getting tortured by the IRA.
1st Nov '15 1:03:21 AM MasoTey
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* The Music/{{U2}} song, "Sunday, Bloody Sunday" from their album ''Music/{{War}}. The most famous live performance of it is on ''Music/RattleAndHum'' when Bono denounced the Irish-Americans who ignorantly cheered the bloody partisan violence in Ireland.

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* The Music/{{U2}} song, "Sunday, Bloody Sunday" from their album ''Music/{{War}}.''Music/{{War}}''. The most famous live performance of it is on ''Music/RattleAndHum'' when Bono denounced the Irish-Americans who ignorantly cheered the bloody partisan violence in Ireland.
16th Oct '15 3:39:38 PM nombretomado
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* The line, "And maniacs don't blow holes in bandsmen by remote control" on the track "The Gunner's Dream" from [[PinkFloyd Pink Floyd's]] ''Music/TheFinalCut'' is a reference to the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droppin_Well_bombing Droppin Well bombing]], where a small explosive device placed in a dance club in December 1982 by Irish National Liberation Army members in Northern Ireland was detonated, killing 11 British soldiers and six civilians.

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* The line, "And maniacs don't blow holes in bandsmen by remote control" on the track "The Gunner's Dream" from [[PinkFloyd Pink Floyd's]] Music/PinkFloyd's ''Music/TheFinalCut'' is a reference to the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droppin_Well_bombing Droppin Well bombing]], where a small explosive device placed in a dance club in December 1982 by Irish National Liberation Army members in Northern Ireland was detonated, killing 11 British soldiers and six civilians.
27th Sep '15 6:38:32 PM DavidDelony
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* The line, "And maniacs don't blow holes in bandsmen by remote control" on the track "The Gunner's Dream" from [[PinkFloyd Pink Floyd's]] ''The Final Cut'' is a reference to the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droppin_Well_bombing Droppin Well bombing]], where a small explosive device placed in a dance club 1n December 1982 by Irish National Liberation Army members in Northern Ireland was detonated, killing 11 British soldiers and six civilians.

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* The line, "And maniacs don't blow holes in bandsmen by remote control" on the track "The Gunner's Dream" from [[PinkFloyd Pink Floyd's]] ''The Final Cut'' ''Music/TheFinalCut'' is a reference to the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droppin_Well_bombing Droppin Well bombing]], where a small explosive device placed in a dance club 1n in December 1982 by Irish National Liberation Army members in Northern Ireland was detonated, killing 11 British soldiers and six civilians.
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