History UsefulNotes / TheTroubles

15th Apr '17 2:29:27 PM knightm1980
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In Ireland (both sides) and England, it is considered extremely offensive, when using this term, to ''not'' speak of it with a capital "T". You say "the troubles", they say '''the Troubles'''. At its peak, you could get shot at if you walked down the street holding the wrong flag. And there are still many parts of Northern Ireland that blatantly display the Union Jack or the Irish Tricolour, and have its colours on bunting and painted on their kerbs.

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In Ireland (both sides) and England, the United Kingdom, it is considered extremely offensive, when using this term, to ''not'' speak of it with a capital "T". You say "the troubles", they say '''the Troubles'''. At its peak, you could get shot at if you walked down the street holding the wrong flag. And there are still many parts of Northern Ireland that blatantly display the Union Jack or the Irish Tricolour, and have its colours on bunting and painted on their kerbs.
7th Apr '17 3:59:38 PM nombretomado
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In 1969, the Catholics formed an active civil rights movement, partly inspired by [[CivilRightsMovement that which occurred years earlier]] just across ThePond. At the same time, a loyalist [[BrotherhoodOfFunnyHats fraternal order]] called "Apprentice Boys of Derry" planned a counter-march [[{{Troll}} on the same day and route as that by the civil rights activists]]. This went as well as expected -- the latter, ordered not to march, [[{{Determinator}} marched anyway]], and were attacked by loyalist police. There followed some of the most shocking scenes of PoliceBrutality ever seen in the UK, especially from [[TheDreaded the infamous B-Specials]], an unpaid and part-time adjunct to the regular police force. Enraged, the Catholics went into hyperdrive, marching and protesting... and being attacked again and again. In response, and likely due to prodding from an indignant London, Belfast promised wide reforms... which led to even more loyalist belligerence. At the beginning of August, there was a serious three-way riot between both sides and the police in the center of Belfast. MP J. Enoch "Rivers of Blood" Powell even suggested deporting the entire Catholic population to the Republic. Appalled, Wilson and then Home Secretary UsefulNotes/JamesCallaghan took the decision (without consulting the Cabinet) to send in the British Army to restore order in return for the abolition of the B-Specials and serious reform. It is a myth that they were not aware of the dangers (they estimated that it would take at least a decade before they pulled out), and some historians have called the decision to send in the Army "Jim Callaghan's finest hour."

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In 1969, the Catholics formed an active civil rights movement, partly inspired by [[CivilRightsMovement that which occurred years earlier]] just across ThePond.UsefulNotes/ThePond. At the same time, a loyalist [[BrotherhoodOfFunnyHats fraternal order]] called "Apprentice Boys of Derry" planned a counter-march [[{{Troll}} on the same day and route as that by the civil rights activists]]. This went as well as expected -- the latter, ordered not to march, [[{{Determinator}} marched anyway]], and were attacked by loyalist police. There followed some of the most shocking scenes of PoliceBrutality ever seen in the UK, especially from [[TheDreaded the infamous B-Specials]], an unpaid and part-time adjunct to the regular police force. Enraged, the Catholics went into hyperdrive, marching and protesting... and being attacked again and again. In response, and likely due to prodding from an indignant London, Belfast promised wide reforms... which led to even more loyalist belligerence. At the beginning of August, there was a serious three-way riot between both sides and the police in the center of Belfast. MP J. Enoch "Rivers of Blood" Powell even suggested deporting the entire Catholic population to the Republic. Appalled, Wilson and then Home Secretary UsefulNotes/JamesCallaghan took the decision (without consulting the Cabinet) to send in the British Army to restore order in return for the abolition of the B-Specials and serious reform. It is a myth that they were not aware of the dangers (they estimated that it would take at least a decade before they pulled out), and some historians have called the decision to send in the Army "Jim Callaghan's finest hour."
4th Mar '17 9:00:55 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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It is likely that, but for want of compromise and moderation on both sides, the Troubles might never have become what they were; like [[ArabIsraeliConflict that other long-running dispute people get heated up about to this day]], it treads the fine line between {{tragedy}} and {{farce}}. As the sorry narrative shows, there's clearly a shortage of level heads in the Six Counties -- history records few conflicts guided so much by passion and prejudice and so little by reason ([[BrutalHonesty or to be perfectly blunt:]] [[IdiotPlot almost everyone who counted acted like morons and/or bigots for over half a century]]).

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It is likely that, but for want of compromise and moderation on both sides, the Troubles might never have become what they were; like [[ArabIsraeliConflict [[UsefulNotes/ArabIsraeliConflict that other long-running dispute people get heated up about to this day]], it treads the fine line between {{tragedy}} and {{farce}}. As the sorry narrative shows, there's clearly a shortage of level heads in the Six Counties -- history records few conflicts guided so much by passion and prejudice and so little by reason ([[BrutalHonesty or to be perfectly blunt:]] [[IdiotPlot almost everyone who counted acted like morons and/or bigots for over half a century]]).
3rd Jan '17 8:27:51 AM DaibhidC
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: There was very nearly a Captain Britain story in is which Brian would resolve the Troubles singlehandedly. Editorial were worried about political content, and artist Alan Davis thought it was trivialising the issues, so it was shelved. (If it was the story that became ''Marvel Superheroes'' #386 [with all Northern Ireland references removed] the solution would apparently have involved everyone drinking magic civilising tea.)
3rd Jan '17 8:13:30 AM DaibhidC
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* ''Ireland: A Graphic History'' by Morgan Llywelyn, Michael Scott and Eoin Coveney tells the history of Ireland through the ReincarnationRomance of two StarCrossedLovers destined to always be on opposite sides of a divide. The last two chapters are "The 1916 Uprising" and "The Troubles".
* The ''Comicbook/XMen'' spin-off comic ''Muties'' #6 is about a young Northern Irish mutant named Liam with explosive powers, and who is therefore forcibly recruited by terrorists (the comic carefully doesn't specify what side they're on, but they're bombing their own community to derail the peace process).


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*Creator/BillyConnolly's "Sergeant Where's Mine?" is partly a JoinTheArmyTheySaid lament that he's not getting the "computers, sunshine and skis" promised in the recruitment material, and partly horror at where he's found himself instead. "And what can ye dae wi a gun in yer hand, when yer facin a hundred-odd weans?"
28th Nov '16 6:50:26 AM mightylikearose
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*Some of the poems from Colin Dardis's [[http://theatozofbelfast.weebly.com/ The A to Z of Belfast]] deals with the city in the aftermath of the Troubles (and not always in a bleak way).
16th Nov '16 2:45:03 AM JamesAustin
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->''[[{{Understatement}} "The Troubles in Northern Ireland".]] What a bloody stupid phrase. What do they think two thousand people have died from? Stress?''

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->''[[{{Understatement}} "The ->''"The Troubles in Northern Ireland".]] Ireland". What a bloody stupid phrase. What do they think two thousand people have died from? Stress?''
2nd Nov '16 6:51:00 PM Ahearne
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It is a reasonably popular setting for media (as it was one of the extremely few industrialized places in the world that saw white Christians with Anglo-Saxon names going full partisan against each other) and a good place to source WesternTerrorists from, even today. That British security services got into some shady dealings, factual or fictional (e.g., collusion with loyalist paramilitaries, internment, murder, bombing, framing of innocent victims, black propaganda, political assassination, a shoot-to-kill policy, raiding of homes, the jury-less Diplock Court system, tear gas, surveillance, torture, forced deportation, and kidnappings) adds to the potential drama. Expect knee-capping and bad Irish accents.

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It is a reasonably popular setting for media (as it was one of the extremely few industrialized places in the world that saw white Christians with Gaelic and Anglo-Saxon names going full partisan against each other) and a good place to source WesternTerrorists from, even today. That British security services got into some shady dealings, factual or fictional (e.g., collusion with loyalist paramilitaries, internment, murder, bombing, framing of innocent victims, black propaganda, political assassination, a shoot-to-kill policy, raiding of homes, the jury-less Diplock Court system, tear gas, surveillance, torture, forced deportation, and kidnappings) adds to the potential drama. Expect knee-capping and bad Irish accents.
15th Oct '16 9:39:06 PM Jaro7788
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It is a reasonably popular setting for media and a good place to source WesternTerrorists from, even today. That British security services got into some shady dealings, factual or fictional (e.g., collusion with loyalist paramilitaries, internment, murder, bombing, framing of innocent victims, black propaganda, political assassination, a shoot-to-kill policy, raiding of homes, the jury-less Diplock Court system, tear gas, surveillance, torture, forced deportation, and kidnappings) adds to the potential drama. Expect knee-capping and bad Irish accents.

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It is a reasonably popular setting for media (as it was one of the extremely few industrialized places in the world that saw white Christians with Anglo-Saxon names going full partisan against each other) and a good place to source WesternTerrorists from, even today. That British security services got into some shady dealings, factual or fictional (e.g., collusion with loyalist paramilitaries, internment, murder, bombing, framing of innocent victims, black propaganda, political assassination, a shoot-to-kill policy, raiding of homes, the jury-less Diplock Court system, tear gas, surveillance, torture, forced deportation, and kidnappings) adds to the potential drama. Expect knee-capping and bad Irish accents.



While violent, as conflicts go, one might think it was fairly low-key, with an official body count of 3,526... but remember, this happened in a country with a population today of only 1.6 million. The vast majority of the British Army ended up doing tours in Northern Ireland, and this has created its own body of literature (see below).

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While violent, as conflicts go, one might think it was fairly low-key, with an official body count of 3,526... but remember, this happened in a country with a population today of only 1.6 million. Still, the Ulster conflict was nothing extraordinary in Europe of the time as terrorist organizations of all sorts of ideological backgrounds thrived in Germany, Italy, Spain and France as well (and its scale was infinitely limited when compared to the likes of the Yugoslav ethnic cleansings of the 1990s) and thus we can make a legitimate case that had it not been for the strong Irish presence in the American entertainment industry, the Troubles would never have won today's prominence and recognizability. The vast majority of the British Army ended up doing tours in Northern Ireland, and this has created its own body of literature (see below).
20th Jul '16 9:01:26 PM Fireblood
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* Creator/StephenKing's ''Literature/TheLangoliers'' had one British character who is sent to Boston to kill Provo sympathizers and weapon smugglers.

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* Creator/StephenKing's ''Literature/TheLangoliers'' had one British character who is sent to Boston to kill Provo sympathizers and weapon arms smugglers.


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* ''{{Series/Guilt}}'': Alluded to when someone notices that Kevin has an Irish tricolor tattoo on his arm, accusing him of being an "IRA sympathizer" over this.
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