History UsefulNotes / TheTroubles

23rd Jun '17 9:25:40 AM DrOO7
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** ''Series/LawAndOrderUK'' offers the briefest reference to the long-running tension between the British and the Irish when DS Matt Devlin, who is of Irish descent, mentions being called "Mick" during his rookie years.
21st Jun '17 4:42:38 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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In 1969, the Catholics formed an active civil rights movement, partly inspired by [[CivilRightsMovement that which occurred years earlier]] just across UsefulNotes/ThePond. At the same time, a loyalist [[BrotherhoodOfFunnyHats fraternal order]] called "Apprentice Boys of Derry" planned a counter-march [[{{Troll}} on the same day and route as that by the civil rights activists]]. This went as well as expected -- the latter, ordered not to march, [[{{Determinator}} marched anyway]], and were attacked by loyalist police. There followed some of the most shocking scenes of PoliceBrutality ever seen in the UK, especially from [[TheDreaded the infamous B-Specials]], an unpaid and part-time adjunct to the regular police force. Enraged, the Catholics went into hyperdrive, marching and protesting... and being attacked again and again. In response, and likely due to prodding from an indignant London, Belfast promised wide reforms... which led to even more loyalist belligerence. At the beginning of August, there was a serious three-way riot between both sides and the police in the center of Belfast. MP J. Enoch "Rivers of Blood" Powell even suggested deporting the entire Catholic population to the Republic. Appalled, Wilson and then Home Secretary UsefulNotes/JamesCallaghan took the decision (without consulting the Cabinet) to send in the British Army to restore order in return for the abolition of the B-Specials and serious reform. It is a myth that they were not aware of the dangers (they estimated that it would take at least a decade before they pulled out), and some historians have called the decision to send in the Army "Jim Callaghan's finest hour."

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In 1969, the Catholics formed an active civil rights movement, partly inspired by [[CivilRightsMovement [[UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement that which occurred years earlier]] just across UsefulNotes/ThePond. At the same time, a loyalist [[BrotherhoodOfFunnyHats fraternal order]] called "Apprentice Boys of Derry" planned a counter-march [[{{Troll}} on the same day and route as that by the civil rights activists]]. This went as well as expected -- the latter, ordered not to march, [[{{Determinator}} marched anyway]], and were attacked by loyalist police. There followed some of the most shocking scenes of PoliceBrutality ever seen in the UK, especially from [[TheDreaded the infamous B-Specials]], an unpaid and part-time adjunct to the regular police force. Enraged, the Catholics went into hyperdrive, marching and protesting... and being attacked again and again. In response, and likely due to prodding from an indignant London, Belfast promised wide reforms... which led to even more loyalist belligerence. At the beginning of August, there was a serious three-way riot between both sides and the police in the center of Belfast. MP J. Enoch "Rivers of Blood" Powell even suggested deporting the entire Catholic population to the Republic. Appalled, Wilson and then Home Secretary UsefulNotes/JamesCallaghan took the decision (without consulting the Cabinet) to send in the British Army to restore order in return for the abolition of the B-Specials and serious reform. It is a myth that they were not aware of the dangers (they estimated that it would take at least a decade before they pulled out), and some historians have called the decision to send in the Army "Jim Callaghan's finest hour."
21st Jun '17 3:54:07 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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The Troubles has its roots in UsefulNotes/TheIrishRevolution. At the end of the aforementioned war, the United Kingdom decided to divide Ireland between an independent state for the predominantly Roman Catholic south and a constituency of the Union for the six Protestant-dominated counties to the north, even as this proved unpopular to either side, which wanted ''the entirety of Ireland'' for their respective political entities. For the next forty years, the loyalists alone ruled Northern Ireland, while the Catholic minority was largely excluded from public life by snobbery, poverty and bigotry. The Union government, happy to be finally shorn of TheIrishQuestion, washed its hands of the affair, and this system persisted for years.

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The Troubles has its roots in UsefulNotes/TheIrishRevolution. At the end of the aforementioned war, the United Kingdom decided to divide Ireland between an independent state for the predominantly Roman Catholic south and a constituency of the Union for the six Protestant-dominated counties to the north, even as this proved unpopular to either side, which wanted ''the entirety of Ireland'' for their respective political entities. For the next forty years, the loyalists alone ruled Northern Ireland, while the Catholic minority was largely excluded from public life by snobbery, poverty and bigotry. The Union government, happy to be finally shorn of TheIrishQuestion, UsefulNotes/TheIrishQuestion, washed its hands of the affair, and this system persisted for years.
21st Jun '17 11:47:23 AM SantosLHalper
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* The infamously badly-researched ''WesternAnimation/CaptainPlanetAndThePlaneteers'' episode "If It's Doomsday, This Must Be Belfast". Dialogue example: "[[CriticalResearchFailure Fenian Prods]]". Look it up on Website/YouTube. For obvious reasons anyone who grew up during The Troubles finds it ''[[SoBadItsGood amazing]]''.

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* The infamously badly-researched ''WesternAnimation/CaptainPlanetAndThePlaneteers'' episode "If It's Doomsday, This Must Be Belfast". Dialogue example: a Catholic saying "[[CriticalResearchFailure Fenian Prods]]". Look it up on Website/YouTube. For obvious reasons anyone who grew up during The Troubles finds it ''[[SoBadItsGood amazing]]''.
19th Jun '17 1:55:11 PM bt8257
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Lasting between 1969 and 1998, the Troubles refers to a period of low-intensity but constant war in Northern Ireland, which sometimes overflowed into Great Britain, the Republic of Ireland, and occasionally continental Europe. This was a time when the Irish Republicans, mostly Roman Catholic and of native Irish descent, fought paramilitary Ulster Loyalists, mostly Protestant (i.e., Church of Ireland, Presbyterian and Methodist) and descended from British colonists, and the armed forces of the British government, over which country Northern Ireland should belong to, with the former favoring the Republic of Ireland and the latter the United Kingdom. (The actual citizenry and armed forces of the Republic of Ireland mostly stayed out of it.) The fact that it was Catholics vs. Protestants is lampshaded by Creator/TomClancy in one of the ''Jack Ryan'' novels by noting that "Northern Ireland is one of the safest places to be a Jew." Despite that though any divisions between Protestants and Catholics had hardly anything to do with the Troubles apart from which side you were likely to find them.

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Lasting between 1969 1968 and 1998, the Troubles refers to a period of low-intensity but constant war in Northern Ireland, which sometimes overflowed into Great Britain, the Republic of Ireland, and occasionally continental Europe. This was a time when the Irish Republicans, mostly Roman Catholic and of native Irish descent, fought paramilitary Ulster Loyalists, mostly Protestant (i.e., Church of Ireland, Presbyterian and Methodist) and descended from British colonists, and the armed forces of the British government, over which country Northern Ireland should belong to, with the former favoring the Republic of Ireland and the latter the United Kingdom. (The actual citizenry and armed forces of the Republic of Ireland mostly stayed out of it.) The fact that it was Catholics vs. Protestants is lampshaded by Creator/TomClancy in one of the ''Jack Ryan'' novels by noting that "Northern Ireland is one of the safest places to be a Jew." Despite that though any divisions between Protestants and Catholics had hardly anything to do with the Troubles apart from which side you were likely to find them.
4th Jun '17 8:21:00 AM MrTerrorist
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* The above picture comes from ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode [[Recap/TheSimpsonsS20E1SexPiesAndIdiotScrapes "Sex, Pies and Idiot Scrapes"]]. When Springfield celebrates St. Patrick's Day, a group of Nationalist Irish led by the Green Leprechaun encounters a group of Unionist Northern Irish led by the Orange Leprechaun, leading tensions between the two. [[HopeSpot Just when it seems Lisa manages defuse a riot by having both groups]] sing the Irish Lullaby together, the Leprechauns start fighting each other, leading to a city-wide riot.

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* The above picture comes from ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode [[Recap/TheSimpsonsS20E1SexPiesAndIdiotScrapes "Sex, Pies and Idiot Scrapes"]]. When Springfield celebrates St. Patrick's Day, a group of Nationalist Irish led by the Green Leprechaun encounters a group of Unionist Northern Irish led by the Orange Leprechaun, leading tensions between the two. [[HopeSpot Just when it seems Lisa manages to defuse a riot by having both groups]] sing the Irish Lullaby together, the Leprechauns start fighting each other, leading to a city-wide riot.
7th May '17 7:20:28 PM Fireblood
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** We learn more about that in "Sweet Sixteen". Turns out the man (Jimmy Doyle) really was IRA, but because Cal identified him, the DoD (American Department of Defense) carried out a hit on him that failed and killed his wife and daughter instead. He blackmails Cal into finally bringing the case to light seven years later.

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** We learn more about that in "Sweet Sixteen". Turns out the man (Jimmy Doyle) really was IRA, but because Cal identified him, the DoD [=DoD=] (American Department of Defense) carried out a hit on him that failed and killed his wife and daughter instead. He blackmails Cal into finally bringing the case to light seven years later.



* An early episode of ''Series/LawAndOrder'' focuses on the Troubles from the U.S perspective; there's plenty of sympathizers to the cause amongst the Irish-American community depicted, including one who's actually a member of the IRA. Prosecutor Ben Stone, an Irish American, is notably not one however.

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* An early episode of ''Series/LawAndOrder'' focuses on the Troubles from the U.S perspective; there's plenty of sympathizers to the cause amongst among the Irish-American community depicted, including one who's actually a member of the IRA. Prosecutor Ben Stone, an Irish American, is notably not one however.



* A critically acclaimed play by BBC Northern Ireland about the troubles was called ''The Shadows on Our Skin'' and took its title and incidental music from Irish celtic-rock group The ''Series/{{Horslips}}''.

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* A critically acclaimed play by BBC Northern Ireland about the troubles Troubles was called ''The Shadows on Our Skin'' and took its title and incidental music from Irish celtic-rock group The ''Series/{{Horslips}}''.



* In the final episode of the original ''Series/{{Columbo}}'' series, "The Conspirators", the villain is an IRA gun-runner named Joe Devlin, played by Clive Revill. He's portrayed as a philosophical KnightTemplar, who works as a poet and author in his legitimate life. He also raises funds for an organization called American Friends of Northern Ireland, which is more-or-less an {{Expy}} of Noraid (with the fact that the money really goes to the IRA being less of an OpenSecret than in real life). The [[AlwaysMurder requisite murder]] is of an ArmsDealer, who was planning to take Devlin's money and flee the country.

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* In the final episode of the original ''Series/{{Columbo}}'' series, "The Conspirators", the villain is an IRA gun-runner named Joe Devlin, played by Clive Revill. He's portrayed as a philosophical KnightTemplar, who works as a poet and author in his legitimate life. He also raises funds for an organization called American Friends of Northern Ireland, which is more-or-less an {{Expy}} of Noraid NORAID (with the fact that the money really goes to the IRA being less of an OpenSecret than in real life). The [[AlwaysMurder requisite murder]] is of an ArmsDealer, who was planning to take Devlin's money and flee the country.



* The Music/{{U2}} song, "Sunday Bloody Sunday" from their album ''Music/{{War}}''. The most famous live performance of it is on ''Music/RattleAndHum'' when Bono denounced Irish-Americans who ignorantly cheered the bloody partisan violence in Ireland.

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* The Music/{{U2}} song, "Sunday Bloody Sunday" from their album ''Music/{{War}}''. The most famous live performance of it is on ''Music/RattleAndHum'' when Bono denounced Irish-Americans who ignorantly cheered the bloody partisan violence in Ireland. Music/JohnLennon previously released a song of the same name a decade earlier after the event took place.



* Richard Thompson's song "Guns are the Tongues" seems to be about a female provo cell leader seducing a young man into becoming a terrorist, though he's deliberately avoided confirming the hypothesis in interviews.

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* Richard Thompson's song "Guns are the Tongues" seems to be about a female provo Provo cell leader seducing a young man into becoming a terrorist, though he's deliberately avoided confirming the hypothesis in interviews.



* Although not directly ''about'' the Troubles, the first part of "Holy Wars...The Punishment Due" by Music/{{Megadeth}} is inspired by an incident where the band was touring through Ireland in the 80's, and frontman Dave Mustaine found out that a group of youths were selling bootleg Megadeth shirts in the parking lot. He was eventually persuaded to leave them alone by someone who explained that they were raising money for "the cause" (i.e., the IRA), and then later that night, he vocally supported the youths by introducing a song with "This one's for the cause! Give Ireland back to the Irish!", thinking it was a "harmless homeland pride" quote. [[OhCrap Instead, he found the audience dividing in half like the Red Sea; Catholics on one side, Protestant on the other, ready to beat the living shit out of each other - and the band]]. Dave then penned the "Holy Wars" section of the song on the police escorted bus ride out of the city as a "TakeThat" to himself for not being aware of what he was talking about, and as a commentary on religious conflict.

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* Although not directly ''about'' the Troubles, the first part of "Holy Wars...The Punishment Due" by Music/{{Megadeth}} is inspired by an incident where the band was touring through Ireland in the 80's, and frontman Dave Mustaine found out that a group of youths were selling bootleg Megadeth shirts in the parking lot. He was eventually persuaded to leave them alone by someone who explained that they were raising money for "the cause" (i.e., the IRA), and then later that night, he vocally supported the youths by introducing a song with "This one's for the cause! Give Ireland back to the Irish!", thinking it was a "harmless homeland pride" quote. [[OhCrap Instead, he found the audience dividing in half like the Red Sea; Catholics on one side, Protestant Protestants on the other, ready to beat the living shit out of each other - and the band]]. Dave then penned the "Holy Wars" section of the song on the police escorted bus ride out of the city as a "TakeThat" to himself for not being aware of what he was talking about, and as a commentary on religious conflict.



* The above picture comes from ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode [[Recap/TheSimpsonsS20E1SexPiesAndIdiotScrapes "Sex, Pies and Idiot Scrapes"]]. When Springfield celebrates St. Patrick's Day, a group of Nationalist Irish led by the Green Leprechaun encounters a group of Unionist Northern Irish led by the Orange Leprechaun, leading tensions between the two. [[HopeSpot Just when it seems Lisa manages defuse a riot by having both groups]] sing the Irish Lullaby together, the Leprechauns start fighting each other, leading to a city riot.

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* The above picture comes from ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode [[Recap/TheSimpsonsS20E1SexPiesAndIdiotScrapes "Sex, Pies and Idiot Scrapes"]]. When Springfield celebrates St. Patrick's Day, a group of Nationalist Irish led by the Green Leprechaun encounters a group of Unionist Northern Irish led by the Orange Leprechaun, leading tensions between the two. [[HopeSpot Just when it seems Lisa manages defuse a riot by having both groups]] sing the Irish Lullaby together, the Leprechauns start fighting each other, leading to a city city-wide riot.
7th May '17 7:04:04 PM Fireblood
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* ''An Everlasting Piece'' is about a Protestant and a Catholic who team up to sell toupees to customers on both sides of the conflict and HilarityEnsues. Seems to subvert this trope by staunchly opposing the IRA; supplying for them is depicted as a despicable MoralEventHorizon while [[{{Pet The Dog}} making wigs to young British soldiers who have lost their hair from stress is viewed kindly]].

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* ''An Everlasting Piece'' is about a Protestant and a Catholic who team up to sell toupees to customers on both sides of the conflict and HilarityEnsues. Seems It seems to subvert this trope by staunchly opposing the IRA; supplying for them is depicted as a despicable MoralEventHorizon while [[{{Pet The Dog}} making wigs to young British soldiers who have lost their hair from stress is viewed kindly]].



* ''Film/InTheNameOfTheFather'', a dramatization of the Guildford pub bombings in England by the IRA and the torture, threatening, and false imprisonment of Gerry Conlon, the young men and women he was staying with in London, and his father and a handful of family members who were falsely convicted of providing the explosives. The film opens with a riot in Belfast and Gerry accidentally fleeing through an IRA weapons stash, resulting in him nearly being kneecapped as punishment.

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* ''Film/InTheNameOfTheFather'', a dramatization of the Guildford pub bombings in England by the IRA and the torture, threatening, and false imprisonment of Gerry Conlon, the young men and women he was staying with in London, and his father and a handful of family members who were falsely convicted of providing the explosives. The film opens with a riot in Belfast and Gerry accidentally fleeing through an IRA weapons stash, stash house with British soldiers pursuing, resulting in him nearly being kneecapped as punishment.



* Creator/TomClancy's ''Literature/PatriotGames'' draws his regular characters into the whole mess when Jack Ryan saves [[AnonymousRinger Prince Charles and his family]] from an assassination attempt by the Ulster Liberation Army (this would be a more likely name on the either side-i.e. a loyalist group). In the novel, the ULA is a Marxist splinter faction of the Provisional IRA (and Clancy mistakenly believed the Provos were ''also'' Marxists). In fact, the ULA's actions often contradict the Provos own mode of operations. [[spoiler: It turns out the ULA's goal is to eliminate or discredit the PIRA leadership, and have their leaders take over.]] Clancy also used the PIRA in ''Literature/RainbowSix'', being hired by the villains in an attempt to take out the Rainbow team.

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* Creator/TomClancy's ''Literature/PatriotGames'' draws his regular characters into the whole mess when Jack Ryan saves [[AnonymousRinger Prince Charles and his family]] from an assassination attempt by the Ulster Liberation Army (this would be a more likely name on the either other side-i.e. a loyalist group). In the novel, the ULA is a Marxist splinter faction of the Provisional IRA (and Clancy mistakenly believed the Provos were ''also'' Marxists). In fact, the ULA's actions often contradict the Provos own mode of operations. [[spoiler: It turns out the ULA's goal is to eliminate or discredit the PIRA leadership, and have their leaders take over.]] Clancy also used the PIRA in ''Literature/RainbowSix'', being hired by the villains in an attempt to take out the Rainbow team.



* Jack Higgins (of ''The Eagle has Landed'' fame) loves to use the Troubles (and the preceding 50 years of hostility) as background and motivation for his antiheroes. He favours cynically disillusioned IRA gunmen, but doesn't limit himself.

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* Jack Higgins (of ''The Eagle has Landed'' fame) loves to use the Troubles (and the preceding 50 years of hostility) as background and motivation for his antiheroes. He favours favors cynically disillusioned IRA gunmen, but doesn't limit himself.



* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_MacLaverty Bernard MacLaverty]] is a writer from Belfast, so this comes up in his work now and then...his 1983 novel ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cal_(novel) Cal]]'', in which the title character deals with some of the fallout of having driven the getaway car for one of his buddy's IRA actions a year earlier, was made into a film starring [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cal_(film) Helen Mirren and John Lynch.]]

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* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_MacLaverty Bernard MacLaverty]] is a writer from Belfast, so this comes up in his work now and then...his 1983 novel ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cal_(novel) Cal]]'', in which the title character deals with some of the fallout of having driven the getaway car for one of his buddy's IRA actions a year earlier, was made into a film starring [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cal_(film) org/wiki/Cal_(1984 film) Helen Mirren and John Lynch.]]
30th Apr '17 10:48:31 AM nombretomado
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* In ''Film/BlownAway'', the bad guy (played by TommyLeeJones) was an [=IRA=] bomber who escaped prison and went to the US to get revenge on a Boston bomb-disposal expert (JeffBridges).

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* In ''Film/BlownAway'', the bad guy (played by TommyLeeJones) Creator/TommyLeeJones) was an [=IRA=] bomber who escaped prison and went to the US to get revenge on a Boston bomb-disposal expert (JeffBridges).(Creator/JeffBridges).
15th Apr '17 2:29:27 PM knightm1980
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In Ireland (both sides) and England, it is considered extremely offensive, when using this term, to ''not'' speak of it with a capital "T". You say "the troubles", they say '''the Troubles'''. At its peak, you could get shot at if you walked down the street holding the wrong flag. And there are still many parts of Northern Ireland that blatantly display the Union Jack or the Irish Tricolour, and have its colours on bunting and painted on their kerbs.

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In Ireland (both sides) and England, the United Kingdom, it is considered extremely offensive, when using this term, to ''not'' speak of it with a capital "T". You say "the troubles", they say '''the Troubles'''. At its peak, you could get shot at if you walked down the street holding the wrong flag. And there are still many parts of Northern Ireland that blatantly display the Union Jack or the Irish Tricolour, and have its colours on bunting and painted on their kerbs.
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