History UsefulNotes / TheTroubles

22nd Mar '18 5:40:55 PM NogaiKhan
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While violent, as conflicts go, one might think it was fairly low-key, with an official body count of 3,526... but remember, this happened in a country with a population today of only 1.6 million. Still, the Ulster conflict was nothing extraordinary in Europe of the time as terrorist organizations of all sorts of ideological backgrounds thrived in Germany, Italy, Spain and France as well (and its scale was infinitely limited when compared to the likes of the Yugoslav ethnic cleansings of the 1990s) and thus we can make a legitimate case that had it not been for the strong Irish presence in the American entertainment industry, the Troubles would never have won today's prominence and recognizability. The vast majority of the British Army ended up doing tours in Northern Ireland, and this has created its own body of literature (see below).

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While violent, as conflicts go, one might think it was fairly low-key, with an official body count of 3,526...3,526 (with another 719 non-combat British military deaths, for a total of 4,245)... but remember, this happened in a country with a population today of only 1.6 million. Still, the Ulster conflict was nothing extraordinary in Europe of the time as terrorist organizations of all sorts of ideological backgrounds thrived in Germany, Italy, Spain and France as well (and its scale was infinitely limited when compared to the likes of the Yugoslav ethnic cleansings of the 1990s) and thus we can make a legitimate case that had it not been for the strong Irish presence in the American entertainment industry, the Troubles would never have won today's prominence and recognizability. The vast majority of the British Army ended up doing tours in Northern Ireland, and this has created its own body of literature (see below).
6th Feb '18 11:25:21 PM lalaTKG
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* In ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00'', the first sign that Celestial Being were having a palpable effect on the world was the ceasefire message sent out by the "Real IRA" group in Ireland. Considering the show is set in the 2300s, that's a seriously persistent splinter group.

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* In ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00'', the first sign that Celestial Being Beings were having a palpable effect on the world was the ceasefire message sent out by the "Real IRA" group in Ireland. Considering the show is set in the 2300s, that's a seriously persistent splinter group.
29th Jan '18 10:01:59 PM Odacon_Spy
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* The IRA is pitted against the Taliban on the season 1 finale of ''Series/DeadliestWarrior''. [[spoiler:The IRA win.]]

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* The IRA is pitted against the Taliban on the season Season 1 finale of ''Series/DeadliestWarrior''. [[spoiler:The IRA win.]]
** They return to face the Russian Spetsnaz in the "Modern" half of Season 1's "Back for Blood" special. [[spoiler:They don't fare as well this time.
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5th Jan '18 1:01:02 AM Fireblood
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* The above picture comes from ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode [[Recap/TheSimpsonsS20E1SexPiesAndIdiotScrapes "Sex, Pies and Idiot Scrapes"]]. When Springfield celebrates St. Patrick's Day, a group of Nationalist Irish led by the Green Leprechaun encounters a group of Unionist Northern Irish led by the Orange Leprechaun, leading tensions between the two. [[HopeSpot Just when it seems Lisa manages to defuse a riot by having both groups]] sing the Irish Lullaby together, the Leprechauns start fighting each other, leading to a city-wide riot.

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* The above picture comes from ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode [[Recap/TheSimpsonsS20E1SexPiesAndIdiotScrapes "Sex, Pies and Idiot Scrapes"]]. When Springfield celebrates St. Patrick's Day, a group of Nationalist Irish led by the Green Leprechaun encounters a group of Unionist Northern Irish led by the Orange Leprechaun, leading causing tensions between the two. [[HopeSpot Just when it seems Lisa manages to defuse a riot by having both groups]] sing the Irish Lullaby together, the Leprechauns start fighting each other, leading to a city-wide riot.
4th Jan '18 3:15:03 PM lakingsif
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* ''Series/DerryGirls'': Set in ''Derry'' in 1990, with one source of humour coming directly from jokes about how inconvenient the bombs being dropped are.
1st Jan '18 1:35:47 PM pvsage
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* Any Celtic Punk song that mentions [[TheTragicRose Róisín Dubh]] is likely based on or inspired by the Troubles or older conflicts with England.
11th Dec '17 5:42:17 AM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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Often, a heroic character explicitly belonging to one side will decry the excesses of his comrades and/or leave in disgust after they [[EveryoneHasStandards went]] [[NotWhatISignedOnFor too]] [[RageBreakingPoint far]] (expect this to involve [[HarmfulToMinors deaths of children]], a [[TruthInTelevision tragically all-too-common result of tactics used by both sides]]). Purely villainous groups of terrorists are often said to belong to some fictional ultra-violent RenegadeSplinterFaction, in an attempt to avoid political controversy.

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Often, a heroic character explicitly belonging to one side will decry the excesses of his comrades and/or leave in disgust after they [[EveryoneHasStandards went]] [[NotWhatISignedOnFor too]] [[RageBreakingPoint far]] (expect this to involve [[HarmfulToMinors deaths of children]], a [[TruthInTelevision [[WouldHurtAChild tragically all-too-common result of tactics used by both sides]]). Purely villainous groups of terrorists are often said to belong to some fictional ultra-violent RenegadeSplinterFaction, in an attempt to avoid political controversy.
11th Dec '17 5:41:23 AM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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In Ireland (both sides) and the United Kingdom, it is considered extremely offensive, when using this term, to ''not'' speak of it with a capital "T". You say "the troubles", they say '''the Troubles'''. At its peak, you could get shot for walking down the street holding the wrong flag. Hell, flag or no flag, you could be beaten by men with crowbars just for getting on a bus. We're not kidding. And there are still many parts of Northern Ireland that blatantly display either the Union Jack or the Irish Tricolour, and have its colours on bunting and painted on their kerbs.

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In Ireland (both sides) ([[UsefulNotes/{{Ireland}} both]] [[UsefulNotes/NorthernIreland sides]]) and the United Kingdom, UsefulNotes/{{Britain}}, it is considered extremely offensive, when using this term, to ''not'' speak of it with a capital "T". You say "the troubles", they say '''the Troubles'''. At its peak, you could get shot for walking down the street holding the wrong flag. Hell, flag or no flag, you could be beaten by men goons with crowbars just for getting on a bus. We're not kidding. And there are still many parts of Northern Ireland that blatantly display either the Union Jack or the Irish Tricolour, and have its colours on bunting and painted on their kerbs.
9th Oct '17 8:28:42 AM DarkPhoenix94
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* ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'' has the subject mentioned in reference to Sean Cassidy's backstory, in which his pregnant wife was killed in an IRA bombing (resulting in his devastation of the cell responsible) and explained as why the Death Eaters' attacks weren't really noticed by the muggle populace. It is acknowledged to be a touchy subject and presented fairly neutrally with Hermione mostly explaining the historic facts of the matter to Harry - who knows the basics - and Ron - who doesn't. The focus is on the general devastation on both sides, with no moral judgement being made on either side, and the tone being tilted towards WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife. It is also accurately noted that the violence didn't completely end with the Good Friday Agreement of 1998.

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* ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'' has the subject mentioned in reference to Sean Cassidy's backstory, in which his pregnant wife was killed in an IRA bombing (resulting in his devastation of the cell responsible) and explained as why the Death Eaters' attacks weren't really noticed by the muggle populace. populace - or at least, could be explained away. It is acknowledged to be a touchy subject in the narrative and presented fairly neutrally with Hermione mostly explaining the historic facts of the matter to Harry - who knows the basics - and Ron - who doesn't. The It's handled rather carefully, with [[Creator/NimbusLlewelyn the author]] noting that his mother grew up in Belfast during the Troubles and almost never talks about it for damn good reason, and the focus is on the general devastation on both sides, with no moral judgement being made on either side, and side. In general, the tone being is tilted towards WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife. It is also accurately noted that the violence didn't completely end with the Good Friday Agreement of 1998.



* Jack Higgins (of ''The Eagle has Landed'' fame) loves to use the Troubles (and the preceding 50 years of hostility) as background and motivation for his antiheroes. He favors cynically disillusioned IRA gunmen, but doesn't limit himself.

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* Jack Higgins (of ''The Eagle has Landed'' fame) loves to use the Troubles (and the preceding 50 years of hostility) as background and motivation for his antiheroes. He favors favours cynically disillusioned IRA gunmen, but doesn't limit himself.
9th Oct '17 4:50:00 AM karstovich2
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Violence increased through TheSeventies and TheEighties, with IRA bombings and shootouts with the British being a common feature. Faced with escalating violence, crackdowns became more severe -- tanks were used to occupy free Derry, while elements of security forces colluded with loyalists. Many of the controversial features of TheWarOnTerror -- the renditions, the torture, detention without trial, and the like -- saw their bloody precursors here. Gradually, both sides became more extreme. Some branches of the IRA now began to target civilians on the British mainland, and loyalists, aided by a branch of MI5 known as the FRU began a pogrom, killing random Catholic civilians in retaliation for attacks by IRA partisans. Riots were common, and a Berlin-style system of walls and checkpoints was enforced in Belfast and Derry to keep the feuding communities apart. The IRA became ever more brazen, killing Louis Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma, war hero and mentor to Prince Charles, on his yacht off the coast of County Sligo in 1979 (and it's something of a ShootTheShaggyDog story -- Mountbatten was ''favorable'' to the Irish cause), and nearly doing in UsefulNotes/MargaretThatcher, then in Brighton for a 1984 Tory convention (though with five deaths).

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Violence increased through TheSeventies and TheEighties, with IRA bombings and shootouts with the British being a common feature. Faced with escalating violence, crackdowns became more severe -- tanks were used to occupy free Derry, while elements of security forces colluded with loyalists. Many of the controversial features of TheWarOnTerror -- the renditions, the torture, detention without trial, and the like -- saw their bloody precursors here. Gradually, both sides became more extreme. Some branches of the IRA now began to target civilians on the British mainland, and loyalists, aided by a branch of MI5 known as the FRU began a pogrom, killing random Catholic civilians in retaliation for attacks by IRA partisans. Riots were common, and a Berlin-style system of walls and checkpoints was enforced in Belfast and Derry to keep the feuding communities apart. The IRA became ever more brazen, killing Louis Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma, naval war hero and mentor to (and great-uncle of) Prince Charles, on his yacht off the coast of County Sligo in 1979 (and it's something of a ShootTheShaggyDog story -- Mountbatten was ''favorable'' to the Irish cause), and nearly doing in UsefulNotes/MargaretThatcher, then in Brighton for a 1984 Tory convention (though with five deaths).
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