History UsefulNotes / TheSoundOfMartialMusic

23rd Sep '16 3:33:34 AM Morgenthaler
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One rather odd victory they had was Lissa, in which they defeated the Italian fleet in the war with Prussia and Italy in the nineteenth century -- probably the only naval battle the Central-European Habsburgs ever won. Also, while their battleships did practically nothing during WorldWarI, the tiny Austrian submarine force managed to pull off some amazing stunts; captain Von Trapp (made popular in Film/TheSoundOfMusic) was their greatest submarine ace. Another peculiarity noted by historians was that by the end of WWI, the Austro-Hungarian Army "laid down their arms" (rather than ''surrendered''); they ''outlasted the Empire they served.''

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One rather odd victory they had was Lissa, in which they defeated the Italian fleet in the war with Prussia and Italy in the nineteenth century -- probably the only naval battle the Central-European Habsburgs ever won. Also, while their battleships did practically nothing during WorldWarI, UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, the tiny Austrian submarine force managed to pull off some amazing stunts; captain Von Trapp (made popular in Film/TheSoundOfMusic) was their greatest submarine ace. Another peculiarity noted by historians was that by the end of WWI, the Austro-Hungarian Army "laid down their arms" (rather than ''surrendered''); they ''outlasted the Empire they served.''



* BornInTheWrongCentury: Austria under the Habsburgs had the strange honor of being seen as both [[{{Ruritania}} bafflingly backward for its time]] and oddly ''progressive'' for the era, which tends to show in works and folklore involving the Empire. Among other things, the Empire pre-WorldWarI was a multicultural and multinational hotbed...in an Europe where ethnic nationalism and the effects of the "Springtime of Nations" were still in vogue.

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* BornInTheWrongCentury: Austria under the Habsburgs had the strange honor of being seen as both [[{{Ruritania}} bafflingly backward for its time]] and oddly ''progressive'' for the era, which tends to show in works and folklore involving the Empire. Among other things, the Empire pre-WorldWarI pre-UsefulNotes/WorldWarI was a multicultural and multinational hotbed...in an Europe where ethnic nationalism and the effects of the "Springtime of Nations" were still in vogue.



* {{Determinator}}: Tends to be shown as this trope as well. Given that until WorldWarI, Austria/Austria-Hungary had gone through ''centuries'' of threats that would have torn up other countries. This could also apply to the Austro-Hungarian military, which for all its weaknesses effectively ''outlasted their own Empire.''

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* {{Determinator}}: Tends to be shown as this trope as well. Given that until WorldWarI, UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, Austria/Austria-Hungary had gone through ''centuries'' of threats that would have torn up other countries. This could also apply to the Austro-Hungarian military, which for all its weaknesses effectively ''outlasted their own Empire.''



* ''Sunshine'': A 1999 Hungarian film staring Creator/RalphFiennes follows a Jewish family through three different successive eras with the first set during the final years of the Habsburg Empire. The following ones take place before WorldWarII and during the 1956 Revolution respectively, long after the Monarchy fell.

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* ''Sunshine'': A 1999 Hungarian film staring Creator/RalphFiennes follows a Jewish family through three different successive eras with the first set during the final years of the Habsburg Empire. The following ones take place before WorldWarII UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and during the 1956 Revolution respectively, long after the Monarchy fell.



* ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' also follows the embodiments of [[UsefulNotes/HolyRomanEmpire Austria and Hungary, as well as Prussia]] from the Renaissance through the UsefulNotes/WarOfTheAustrianSuccession and beyond. Of course, knowing history, we all know how it [[WorldWarI all]] ends [[BittersweetEnding down the line.]]

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* ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' also follows the embodiments of [[UsefulNotes/HolyRomanEmpire Austria and Hungary, as well as Prussia]] from the Renaissance through the UsefulNotes/WarOfTheAustrianSuccession and beyond. Of course, knowing history, we all know how it [[WorldWarI [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI all]] ends [[BittersweetEnding down the line.]]
3rd Sep '16 11:27:10 AM Morgenthaler
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The first Habsburg was a warlord named Rudolph who was FeudalOverlord of an alpine fortress called ''Habichtsburg'', which translates into English as "the Hawk's Castle", whence the name "Habsburg." He was elected Emperor of the HolyRomanEmpire in 1273, ''because'' of his lack of resources, which it was hoped would make him controllable. As it turned out, Rudolph had considerable military skill and sacked enough rebellious barons' castles to persuade them of the advisability of good order and loyalty to the crown. The Habsburg family became known for its skill in diplomacy and acquired many possessions by marriage, giving rise to the motto "Let others wage wars, but you, merry Austria, marry!" (''Bella gerant alii, tu, felix Austria, nube!)''. At one time, because of a previous merger with the royal family of Spain, it was an empire with holdings in the Western as well as the Eastern hemisphere, becoming the first "Empire on which the sun never sets"; however, the Spanish-based section of the family and the Austrian-based one were split, with Charles V giving Spain and the Netherlands to his son Phillip (Felipe II of Spain) and the Central/Eastern European realms to his brother Ferdinand, and the Spanish branch eventually died out for [[HeirClubForMen lack of male issue]] (and [[RoyallyScrewedUp sanity]]).

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The first Habsburg was a warlord named Rudolph who was FeudalOverlord of an alpine fortress called ''Habichtsburg'', which translates into English as "the Hawk's Castle", whence the name "Habsburg." He was elected Emperor of the HolyRomanEmpire UsefulNotes/HolyRomanEmpire in 1273, ''because'' of his lack of resources, which it was hoped would make him controllable. As it turned out, Rudolph had considerable military skill and sacked enough rebellious barons' castles to persuade them of the advisability of good order and loyalty to the crown. The Habsburg family became known for its skill in diplomacy and acquired many possessions by marriage, giving rise to the motto "Let others wage wars, but you, merry Austria, marry!" (''Bella gerant alii, tu, felix Austria, nube!)''. At one time, because of a previous merger with the royal family of Spain, it was an empire with holdings in the Western as well as the Eastern hemisphere, becoming the first "Empire on which the sun never sets"; however, the Spanish-based section of the family and the Austrian-based one were split, with Charles V giving Spain and the Netherlands to his son Phillip (Felipe II of Spain) and the Central/Eastern European realms to his brother Ferdinand, and the Spanish branch eventually died out for [[HeirClubForMen lack of male issue]] (and [[RoyallyScrewedUp sanity]]).



* KickedUpstairs[=/=]ReassignmentBackfire: The Habsburgs initially gained the Imperial throne of the HolyRomanEmpire amidst a [[DeadlyDecadentCourt conniving nobility]] who thought they could manipulate the new Emperor into forwarding their own agenda. By the time the HRE was dissolved in the Napoleonic Wars however, the Empire had long become synonymous with Austria and the Habsburgs in particular; with one exception, the position was held by a Habsburg in continuous succession in the later centuries of the HRE.

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* KickedUpstairs[=/=]ReassignmentBackfire: The Habsburgs initially gained the Imperial throne of the HolyRomanEmpire UsefulNotes/HolyRomanEmpire amidst a [[DeadlyDecadentCourt conniving nobility]] who thought they could manipulate the new Emperor into forwarding their own agenda. By the time the HRE was dissolved in the Napoleonic Wars however, the Empire had long become synonymous with Austria and the Habsburgs in particular; with one exception, the position was held by a Habsburg in continuous succession in the later centuries of the HRE.
2nd Sep '16 2:15:53 PM Morgenthaler
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After that the Habsburg forces mostly just scraped by. They could always field a decent army, but rarely a BadassArmy, though exceptional generals like Tilly, Eugene of Savoy, or Archduke Charles of Austria-Teschen occasionally won outstanding victories. It was, however, always a colorful force and had as one of its most interesting features a number of [[ProudWarriorRace Proud Warrior Races]] from the Balkans, such as the Hussars from Hungary and the Grenzers from Croatia, Serbia and Romania. Slightly less romantic were the rather stolid [[UsefulNotes/WeAreNotTheWehrmacht ethnic Germans]] from Austria and allied states. They won few spectacular battles, but they did keep the Empire together until WorldWarI which ushered in the end of the Habsburgs as a state and the end of their military. By this time the Austro-Hungarian forces were probably one of the ''worst'' armies in Europe. Before Russia's domestic collapse in 1917, the Russian Army under Brusilov utterly smashed their Austro-Hungarian opponents in the Ukraine, to the point that ImperialGermany had to bail them out. Furthermore, the Austrian suffered some embarrassing defeats at the hands of the much smaller Serbian army - they managed to conquer Serbia eventually, but once again it was only with substantial German aid. It should be mentioned that, since so many of the Austro-Hungarian soldiers were Slavs, they were understandably rather reluctant to fight under a Germanic/Hungarian banner against other Slavs (Russians and Serbs). The Austro-Hungarian army had considerably more success against the Italians...but they ''still'' lost eventually, further cementing their RedShirtArmy status.

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After that the Habsburg forces mostly just scraped by. They could always field a decent army, but rarely a BadassArmy, though exceptional generals like Tilly, Eugene of Savoy, or Archduke Charles of Austria-Teschen occasionally won outstanding victories. It was, however, always a colorful force and had as one of its most interesting features a number of [[ProudWarriorRace Proud Warrior Races]] from the Balkans, such as the Hussars from Hungary and the Grenzers from Croatia, Serbia and Romania. Slightly less romantic were the rather stolid [[UsefulNotes/WeAreNotTheWehrmacht ethnic Germans]] from Austria and allied states. They won few spectacular battles, but they did keep the Empire together until WorldWarI UsefulNotes/WorldWarI which ushered in the end of the Habsburgs as a state and the end of their military. By this time the Austro-Hungarian forces were probably one of the ''worst'' armies in Europe. Before Russia's domestic collapse in 1917, the Russian Army under Brusilov utterly smashed their Austro-Hungarian opponents in the Ukraine, to the point that ImperialGermany UsefulNotes/ImperialGermany had to bail them out. Furthermore, the Austrian suffered some embarrassing defeats at the hands of the much smaller Serbian army - they managed to conquer Serbia eventually, but once again it was only with substantial German aid. It should be mentioned that, since so many of the Austro-Hungarian soldiers were Slavs, they were understandably rather reluctant to fight under a Germanic/Hungarian banner against other Slavs (Russians and Serbs). The Austro-Hungarian army had considerably more success against the Italians...but they ''still'' lost eventually, further cementing their RedShirtArmy status.



* MultinationalTeam: The Habsburg Empire tends to be depicted as in real life as a veritable multinational, multicultural and multi-religious domain with a predominantly German (and later, Hungarian) veneer, in contrast to ImperialGermany.

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* MultinationalTeam: The Habsburg Empire tends to be depicted as in real life as a veritable multinational, multicultural and multi-religious domain with a predominantly German (and later, Hungarian) veneer, in contrast to ImperialGermany.UsefulNotes/ImperialGermany.
29th Aug '16 11:15:56 AM Morgenthaler
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After that the Habsburg forces mostly just scraped by. They could always field a decent army, but rarely a BadassArmy, though exceptional generals like Tilly, Eugene of Savoy, or Archduke Charles of Austria-Teschen occasionally won outstanding victories. It was, however, always a colorful force and had as one of its most interesting features a number of [[ProudWarriorRace Proud Warrior Races]] from the Balkans, such as the Hussars from Hungary and the Grenzers from Croatia, Serbia and Romania. Slightly less romantic were the rather stolid [[WeAreNotTheWehrmacht ethnic Germans]] from Austria and allied states. They won few spectacular battles, but they did keep the Empire together until WorldWarI which ushered in the end of the Habsburgs as a state and the end of their military. By this time the Austro-Hungarian forces were probably one of the ''worst'' armies in Europe. Before Russia's domestic collapse in 1917, the Russian Army under Brusilov utterly smashed their Austro-Hungarian opponents in the Ukraine, to the point that ImperialGermany had to bail them out. Furthermore, the Austrian suffered some embarrassing defeats at the hands of the much smaller Serbian army - they managed to conquer Serbia eventually, but once again it was only with substantial German aid. It should be mentioned that, since so many of the Austro-Hungarian soldiers were Slavs, they were understandably rather reluctant to fight under a Germanic/Hungarian banner against other Slavs (Russians and Serbs). The Austro-Hungarian army had considerably more success against the Italians...but they ''still'' lost eventually, further cementing their RedShirtArmy status.

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After that the Habsburg forces mostly just scraped by. They could always field a decent army, but rarely a BadassArmy, though exceptional generals like Tilly, Eugene of Savoy, or Archduke Charles of Austria-Teschen occasionally won outstanding victories. It was, however, always a colorful force and had as one of its most interesting features a number of [[ProudWarriorRace Proud Warrior Races]] from the Balkans, such as the Hussars from Hungary and the Grenzers from Croatia, Serbia and Romania. Slightly less romantic were the rather stolid [[WeAreNotTheWehrmacht [[UsefulNotes/WeAreNotTheWehrmacht ethnic Germans]] from Austria and allied states. They won few spectacular battles, but they did keep the Empire together until WorldWarI which ushered in the end of the Habsburgs as a state and the end of their military. By this time the Austro-Hungarian forces were probably one of the ''worst'' armies in Europe. Before Russia's domestic collapse in 1917, the Russian Army under Brusilov utterly smashed their Austro-Hungarian opponents in the Ukraine, to the point that ImperialGermany had to bail them out. Furthermore, the Austrian suffered some embarrassing defeats at the hands of the much smaller Serbian army - they managed to conquer Serbia eventually, but once again it was only with substantial German aid. It should be mentioned that, since so many of the Austro-Hungarian soldiers were Slavs, they were understandably rather reluctant to fight under a Germanic/Hungarian banner against other Slavs (Russians and Serbs). The Austro-Hungarian army had considerably more success against the Italians...but they ''still'' lost eventually, further cementing their RedShirtArmy status.
2nd Aug '16 5:06:13 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' also follows the embodiments of [[UsefulNotes/HolyRomanEmpire Austria and Hungary, as well as Prussia]] from the Renaissance through the UsefulNotes/WarOfTheAustrianSuccession and beyond. Of course, knowing history, we all know how it [[WorldWarI all]] [[{{Tearjerker}} ends]] [[BittersweetEnding down the line.]]

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* ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' also follows the embodiments of [[UsefulNotes/HolyRomanEmpire Austria and Hungary, as well as Prussia]] from the Renaissance through the UsefulNotes/WarOfTheAustrianSuccession and beyond. Of course, knowing history, we all know how it [[WorldWarI all]] [[{{Tearjerker}} ends]] ends [[BittersweetEnding down the line.]]
2nd Aug '16 5:05:49 AM Morgenthaler
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* The Habsburg Empire exists in ''EuropaUniversalis'' and is a fan favourite. There was a fan write-in campaign to keep Austria's traditional white colour for ''Victoria II''.
* On that note, the first ''VictoriaAnEmpireUnderTheSun'' features them as one of the major obstacles for Prussia/an Italian state to unify Germany and Italy, respectively.

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* The Habsburg Empire exists in ''EuropaUniversalis'' ''VideoGame/EuropaUniversalis'' and is a fan favourite. There was a fan write-in campaign to keep Austria's traditional white colour for ''Victoria II''.
* On that note, the The first ''VictoriaAnEmpireUnderTheSun'' ''VideoGame/VictoriaAnEmpireUnderTheSun'' features them as one of the major obstacles for Prussia/an Italian state to unify Germany and Italy, respectively.
31st Jul '16 8:25:14 AM JamesAustin
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* ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' also follows the embodiments of [[AxisPowersHetalia/NeitherHolyNorRomanNorAnEmpire Austria and Hungary, as well as Prussia]] from the Renaissance through the UsefulNotes/WarOfTheAustrianSuccession and beyond. Of course, knowing history, we all know how it [[WorldWarI all]] [[{{Tearjerker}} ends]] [[BittersweetEnding down the line.]]

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* ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' also follows the embodiments of [[AxisPowersHetalia/NeitherHolyNorRomanNorAnEmpire [[UsefulNotes/HolyRomanEmpire Austria and Hungary, as well as Prussia]] from the Renaissance through the UsefulNotes/WarOfTheAustrianSuccession and beyond. Of course, knowing history, we all know how it [[WorldWarI all]] [[{{Tearjerker}} ends]] [[BittersweetEnding down the line.]]
31st Jul '16 8:23:22 AM JamesAustin
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The myriad possible fates of the Austro-Hungarian Empire open up a can of "what ifs" used in AlternateHistory fiction. Had Franz Ferdinand survived his assassination, Karl ascended the throne much earlier[[note]]Alternately, had [[RegentForLife Miklos Horthy]] allowed [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I_of_Austria Karl to reclaim the throne in Hungary]].[[/note]] or if his son Otto succeeded in restoring the monarchy in Weimar-era Austria (regardless of how politically and socially feasible that notion was in light of [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany its neighbor]]), the history of Central Europe would most likely have played out rather differently compared to how it did in real life.
** Here's a very interesting one that nobody thinks about: what if the Empire had fragmented much earlier than it did (most likely during the European Revolutions of 1848 aka the Spring of Nations, which would have happened had Russia not stepped in). How would this have affected the development of Germany and the rest of Europe?
** Another one often forgotten: what would have happened if Italy entered WorldWarI at the start and on their side? At the very least the Italian army would have not triggered the collapse of the Empire at Vittorio Veneto five years later...
** Another oft-ignored one: what would have happened had Franz Joseph's brother, Maximilian been more successful in establishing an Imperial Mexico under a Habsburg branch? This would have had considerable repurcussions in how the history of North America would have unfolded, particularly in terms of Mexico-US relations...
** Another forgotten possibility: what would have happened had [[RegentForLife Miklos Horthy's Hungary]] been more successful in either keeping its sovereignty from being compromised by the Nazis or fending off the Soviets in WorldWarII? This would have potentially opened up a relatively neutral if authoritarian space in Central Europe not unlike Spain under Francisco Franco, which would also open up an opportunity for Otto to claim the throne once Horthy passed on, much like the case of King Juan Carlos...

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The myriad possible fates of the Austro-Hungarian Empire open up a can of "what ifs" used in AlternateHistory fiction. Had Franz Ferdinand survived his assassination, Karl ascended the throne much earlier[[note]]Alternately, had [[RegentForLife Miklos Horthy]] allowed [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I_of_Austria Karl to reclaim the throne in Hungary]].[[/note]] or if his son Otto succeeded in restoring the monarchy in Weimar-era Austria (regardless of how politically and socially feasible that notion was in light of [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany its neighbor]]), the history of Central Europe would most likely have played out rather differently compared to how it did in real life.\n** Here's a very interesting one that nobody thinks about: what if the Empire had fragmented much earlier than it did (most likely during the European Revolutions of 1848 aka the Spring of Nations, which would have happened had Russia not stepped in). How would this have affected the development of Germany and the rest of Europe?\n** Another one often forgotten: what would have happened if Italy entered WorldWarI at the start and on their side? At the very least the Italian army would have not triggered the collapse of the Empire at Vittorio Veneto five years later...\n** Another oft-ignored one: what would have happened had Franz Joseph's brother, Maximilian been more successful in establishing an Imperial Mexico under a Habsburg branch? This would have had considerable repurcussions in how the history of North America would have unfolded, particularly in terms of Mexico-US relations...\n** Another forgotten possibility: what would have happened had [[RegentForLife Miklos Horthy's Hungary]] been more successful in either keeping its sovereignty from being compromised by the Nazis or fending off the Soviets in WorldWarII? This would have potentially opened up a relatively neutral if authoritarian space in Central Europe not unlike Spain under Francisco Franco, which would also open up an opportunity for Otto to claim the throne once Horthy passed on, much like the case of King Juan Carlos...



* WrongGenreSavvy: Some interpretations of the Habsburgs and their domains tend to paint them as being akin to characters straight out of [[GameOfThrones Westeros]] than the modern world.

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* WrongGenreSavvy: Some interpretations of the Habsburgs and their domains tend to paint them as being akin to characters straight out of [[GameOfThrones [[Series/GameOfThrones Westeros]] than the modern world.
31st Jul '16 8:20:30 AM JamesAustin
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-> "That extraordinary empire known as the Austrian-Hungarian Dual Monarchy is less an Empire or a Kingdom or a State than the ''personal property'' of the Habsburgs, whose hereditary talent for the acquisition of land is recorded on the map of Europe today!"

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-> "That ->''"That extraordinary empire known as the Austrian-Hungarian Dual Monarchy is less an Empire or a Kingdom or a State than the ''personal property'' of the Habsburgs, whose hereditary talent for the acquisition of land is recorded on the map of Europe today!"today!"''
22nd Oct '15 4:30:32 PM nombretomado
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* CoolHorse: The famous Lipizzaner stallions of the Spanish Riding School, which even merited a {{Disney}} movie, ''[[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057312/ Miracle of the White Stallions]]''.

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* CoolHorse: The famous Lipizzaner stallions of the Spanish Riding School, which even merited a {{Disney}} Creator/{{Disney}} movie, ''[[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057312/ Miracle of the White Stallions]]''.
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