History UsefulNotes / Suicide

1st Sep '17 7:21:37 PM HasturHasturHastur
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* Todd Honeycutt of Enfold Darkness hanged himself in former bandmate Elijah Whitehead's garage days after leaving the band in August of 2017. Honeycutt had been severely depressed for some time, and while he was universally beloved by fans and was an important part of ''Adversary Omnipotent'', their long-awaited and very well-received sophomore album, his relationship with his bandmates had grown increasingly frayed, and a Facebook post made less than a week prior to his death indicated that he felt that his bandmates didn't respect him and merely saw him as the bassist that they had settled on.
23rd Aug '17 7:28:04 AM HasturHasturHastur
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** As an addenda to this, pretty much the only time suicidal people are dangerous to anyone ''but'' themselves is if they express interest in [[TakingYouWithMe murder-suicide as revenge/Taking You with Me]][=/=]SuicideByCop or the like and pursue such plans, if they choose a method that is guaranteed to hurt/kill others, have stated that they will harm anyone who attempts to stop them (and you know them well enough to have good reason to believe that [[SincerityMode they are not bluffing]]), or ''if'' they are armed with a weapon such as a gun or long knife/sword ''and'' [[BulletHolesAndRevelations interrupted mid-attempt with]] [[GunStruggle someone violently trying to take the weapon away]].

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** As an addenda to this, pretty much the only time suicidal people are dangerous to anyone ''but'' themselves is if they express interest in [[TakingYouWithMe murder-suicide as revenge/Taking You with Me]][=/=]SuicideByCop Me]][=/=]RoaringRampageOfRevenge[=/=]SuicideByCop or the like and pursue such plans, if they choose a method that is guaranteed to hurt/kill others, others or cause major property damage, have stated that they will harm anyone who attempts to stop them (and you know them well enough to have good reason to believe that [[SincerityMode they are not bluffing]]), or ''if'' they are armed with a weapon such as a gun or long knife/sword ''and'' [[BulletHolesAndRevelations interrupted mid-attempt with]] [[GunStruggle someone violently trying to take the weapon away]].
10th Aug '17 2:01:19 PM morane
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* In UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, the Japanese government deliberately frightened the civilian populations, most notably in Okinawa, about the supposed atrocities that the Allies would inflict should they take their islands to the point where many committed suicide. Only one-third of the civilian population of Saipan survived the American invasion, and most of the deaths were suicide. And not only did the German leadership kill themselves, but also ''tens of thousands of ordinary German citizens'', especially in the Eastern terrirories. Sadly, somewhat [JustifiedTrope justified]], as the Germans had behaved in atrocious manner in the conquered East, and they were now subjected to the vengeance of the Red Army - including mass raping of all German women. Killing oneself [[BetterToDieThanBeKilled was seen as the lesser evil]] to being captured by the Russians and then raped, robbed and murdered as revenge on what the Germans had themselves done. Often families, including under-age children, killed themselves together. The mass suicides also acted as the [[DefiantToTheEnd final sign of spite, impudence and defiance]]: such mass suicides were utterly uncommon in the Christian world, and especially shocked the Western allies, whilst the Germans themselves saw it as "snatching the Russians their most prized loot - women to rape" and making their victory empty.
** This was not limited to Imperial Japan. During the fall of [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany Nazi Germany]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_suicides_in_1945_Nazi_Germany thousands of people committed suicide]] (including, as noted below, [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler its leader]]) to avoid capture or the humiliation of defeat. And not only did the German leadership kill themselves, but also ''tens of thousands of ordinary German citizen''s, especially in the Eastern terrirories. Sadly, somewhat [[JustifiedTrope justified]], as the Germans had behaved in atrocious manner in the conquered East, and they were now subjected to the vengeance of the Red Army - including mass raping of all German women. Killing oneself was seen as [[BetterToDieThanbeKilled the lesser evil]] to being captured by the Russians and then raped, robbed and murdered as revenge on what the Germans had themselves done. Often families, including under-age children, killed themselves together. The mass suicides also acted as the final sign of spite, impudence and defiance: such mass suicides were utterly uncommon in the Christian world, and especially shocked the Western allies, whilst the Germans themselves saw it as "snatching the Russians their most prized loot - women to rape" and making their victory empty.

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* In UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, the Japanese government deliberately frightened the civilian populations, most notably in Okinawa, about the supposed atrocities that the Allies would inflict should they take their islands to the point where many committed suicide. Only one-third of the civilian population of Saipan survived the American invasion, and most of the deaths were suicide. And not only did the German leadership kill themselves, but also ''tens of thousands of ordinary German citizens'', especially in the Eastern terrirories. Sadly, somewhat [JustifiedTrope justified]], as the Germans had behaved in atrocious manner in the conquered East, and they were now subjected to the vengeance of the Red Army - including mass raping of all German women. Killing oneself [[BetterToDieThanBeKilled was seen as the lesser evil]] to being captured by the Russians and then raped, robbed and murdered as revenge on what the Germans had themselves done. Often families, including under-age children, killed themselves together. The mass suicides also acted as the [[DefiantToTheEnd final sign of spite, impudence and defiance]]: such mass suicides were utterly uncommon in the Christian world, and especially shocked the Western allies, whilst the Germans themselves saw it as "snatching the Russians their most prized loot - women to rape" and making their victory empty.
** This was not limited to Imperial Japan. During the fall of [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany Nazi Germany]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_suicides_in_1945_Nazi_Germany thousands of people committed suicide]] (including, as noted below, [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler its leader]]) to avoid capture or the humiliation of defeat. And not only did the German leadership kill themselves, but also ''tens of thousands of ordinary German citizen''s, especially in the Eastern terrirories. Sadly, somewhat [[JustifiedTrope justified]], as the Germans had behaved in atrocious manner in the conquered East, and they were now subjected to the vengeance of the Red Army - including mass raping of all German women. Killing oneself was seen as [[BetterToDieThanbeKilled the lesser evil]] to being captured by the Russians and then raped, robbed and murdered as revenge on what the Germans had themselves done. Often families, including under-age children, killed themselves together. The mass suicides also acted as the [[DefianttoTheEnd final sign of spite, impudence and defiance: defiance]]: such mass suicides were utterly uncommon in the Christian world, and especially shocked the Western allies, whilst the Germans themselves saw it as "snatching the Russians their most prized loot - women to rape" and making their victory empty.


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* Likewise, Finno-Ugric nations tend to be especially prone to suicide. Hungary and Finland have traditionally had far higher suicide rates than world average. The suicide reduction programs in Finland have worked and lowered this sad rate during the recent years.
10th Aug '17 1:48:14 PM morane
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* The Russian ''bylina'' tales tell of Chuds (Baltic Finno-Ugric peoples), who rather committed mass suicides than surrendered to invading Russians. They dug underground dungeons, took their valuables and possibles there, and then collapsed the structures when the Russians came to loot, [[TakingYouWithMe killing themselves and the attackers both.]] Such caves have been found.
* In UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, the Japanese government deliberately frightened the civilian populations, most notably in Okinawa, about the supposed atrocities that the Allies would inflict should they take their islands to the point where many committed suicide. Only one-third of the civilian population of Saipan survived the American invasion, and most of the deaths were suicide.
** This was not limited to Imperial Japan. During the fall of [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany Nazi Germany]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_suicides_in_1945_Nazi_Germany thousands of people committed suicide]] (including, as noted below, [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler its leader]]) to avoid capture or the humiliation of defeat.

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* The Russian ''bylina'' tales tell of Chuds (Baltic Finno-Ugric peoples), who rather committed mass suicides than surrendered to invading Russians. They dug underground dungeons, took their valuables and possibles posessions there, and then collapsed the structures when the Russians came to loot, [[TakingYouWithMe killing themselves and the attackers both.]] Such caves have been found.
* In UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, the Japanese government deliberately frightened the civilian populations, most notably in Okinawa, about the supposed atrocities that the Allies would inflict should they take their islands to the point where many committed suicide. Only one-third of the civilian population of Saipan survived the American invasion, and most of the deaths were suicide.
suicide. And not only did the German leadership kill themselves, but also ''tens of thousands of ordinary German citizens'', especially in the Eastern terrirories. Sadly, somewhat [JustifiedTrope justified]], as the Germans had behaved in atrocious manner in the conquered East, and they were now subjected to the vengeance of the Red Army - including mass raping of all German women. Killing oneself [[BetterToDieThanBeKilled was seen as the lesser evil]] to being captured by the Russians and then raped, robbed and murdered as revenge on what the Germans had themselves done. Often families, including under-age children, killed themselves together. The mass suicides also acted as the [[DefiantToTheEnd final sign of spite, impudence and defiance]]: such mass suicides were utterly uncommon in the Christian world, and especially shocked the Western allies, whilst the Germans themselves saw it as "snatching the Russians their most prized loot - women to rape" and making their victory empty.
** This was not limited to Imperial Japan. During the fall of [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany Nazi Germany]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_suicides_in_1945_Nazi_Germany thousands of people committed suicide]] (including, as noted below, [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler its leader]]) to avoid capture or the humiliation of defeat. And not only did the German leadership kill themselves, but also ''tens of thousands of ordinary German citizen''s, especially in the Eastern terrirories. Sadly, somewhat [[JustifiedTrope justified]], as the Germans had behaved in atrocious manner in the conquered East, and they were now subjected to the vengeance of the Red Army - including mass raping of all German women. Killing oneself was seen as [[BetterToDieThanbeKilled the lesser evil]] to being captured by the Russians and then raped, robbed and murdered as revenge on what the Germans had themselves done. Often families, including under-age children, killed themselves together. The mass suicides also acted as the final sign of spite, impudence and defiance: such mass suicides were utterly uncommon in the Christian world, and especially shocked the Western allies, whilst the Germans themselves saw it as "snatching the Russians their most prized loot - women to rape" and making their victory empty.
22nd Jul '17 7:35:13 PM MasterofGalaxies4628
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While it is impossible to pin down a single cause of depression, there are many diagnosable symptoms that almost entirely stem from widespread changes in brain activity. Sufferers become either agitated (in the clinical sense; experiencing constant irritation, stress, and anxiety) or lethargic (both mental and physical capabilities are severely diminished), but the common result is that neither are able to feel ''happy'', or even their former baselines of "normal." A correlation (note that the direction of causation is still debated) also seen between depression/suicide and over-general memory; the inability to pinpoint specific happy or depressed periods, leading to the [[AccentuateTheNegative understatement of the former and overstatement of the latter]].

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While it is impossible to pin down a single cause of depression, there are many diagnosable symptoms that almost entirely stem from widespread changes in brain activity. Sufferers become either agitated (in the clinical sense; sense: experiencing constant irritation, stress, and anxiety) or lethargic (both mental and physical capabilities are severely diminished), but the common result is that neither are able to feel ''happy'', or even their former baselines of "normal." A correlation (note that the direction of causation is still debated) is also seen between depression/suicide and over-general memory; the inability to pinpoint specific happy or depressed periods, leading to the [[AccentuateTheNegative understatement of the former and overstatement of the latter]].



Depression, however, is not the only mental illness that can lead to suicide, though it is the most common. The eating disorder anorexia nervosa is actually the ''most'' likely to cause suicide of all mental disorders. Untreated or badly treated schizophrenia also has a higher rate than depression. Post-traumatic stress disorder and complicated grief also cause suicide, both directly and because depression is often co-morbid to both. Major depression, however, is the most common mental illness to cause suicide not due to depressed people being more suicidal than some who have other illnesses, but because it's a far more common mental illness with suicide as a possible outcome.

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Depression, however, is not the only mental illness that can lead to suicide, though it is the most common. The eating disorder anorexia nervosa is actually the ''most'' likely to cause suicide of all mental disorders. Untreated or badly treated schizophrenia also has a higher rate than depression. Post-traumatic stress disorder and complicated grief also cause suicide, both directly and because depression is often co-morbid to both. Major depression, however, is the most common mental illness to cause suicide suicide, not due to depressed people being more suicidal than some who have other illnesses, but simply because it's a far more common mental illness with suicide as a possible outcome.



** In the case of anorexia nervosa or a first episode of bipolar mania, there may be ''zero'' external reason appearing. Anorexics are often (though not always) driven perfectionists in all walks of life, and it is said perfectionism that leads to suicidality - the feeling that one is not good enough, while their life may seem absolutely charmed or perfect ''as a direct result'' of their devotion to perfectionism. Persons with bipolar mania, especially before diagnosis/treatment/recognition, often have lots of energy and drive and ambition and exaggerated belief in their own abilities - which can actually lead to their living a "larger than life" life and seeming on top of their world (and themselves feeling that way) - except that hallucinations or generally feeling invincible, or the mania switching to depression can lead to suicidal behavior.
** That said, going too far in the other direction and assuming that suicidality is only out of a known biological mental illness is also a huge misconception and mistake. It ''is'' possible to be DrivenToSuicide, especially in situations involving UsefulNotes/{{Abuse}} to the point where the abuse (especially emotional abuse) has entirely destroyed someone's self-concept or taken away their will to live. Do not immediately assume that a suicidal person's family or religious organization is somehow always "on their side" or "trying to save them from themselves" - these are two groups that ''can'' and sometimes ''do'' inflict such pervasive emotional abuse. Also, some people with no or only mild apparent previous mental illness ''can'' be DrivenToSuicide by a sudden tragedy - sudden loss of a meaningful person such as a relative or spouse/lover to death and severe financial loss are two huge risk factors. In this case, they think that they're literally facing a FateWorseThanDeath.[[note]]There is actually a strong connection between economic recessions/depressions/austerity and suicides, one ''not'' explained by the lack of or postponement of seeking mental health services during such - financial loss ''itself'' is the suicide-inspiring factor.[[/note]]
* Misconception: '''All suicidality is a result of an episode of mental illness; suicidal people are all "crazy" or "psychotic."''': This is HollywoodPsychology in action. While psychosis is a frequent factor in suicide (note the high rate among untreated/badly treated schizophrenics, and mixed manic/depressed episodes in Bipolar 1 are close behind for it), many people attempt or even commit suicide simply because the pain of their life situation has exceeded their ability to cope with said pain, and many times this is a result of hyperrealistic pessimism or traumatic events (including abuse, rape, the loss of loved ones, extreme financial loss and/or social ostracism), ''not'' loss of touch with reality. As said above, it ''is'' possible to be DrivenToSuicide, and even doing it out of sheer annoyance and [[SuicideIsPainless boredom with life]] is possible. While there is some argument that clinical depression is a part of the inability to cope with pain, to fail to recognize and legitimize the suffering of victims who are in serious, legitimate pain for reasons ''outside their own mind'' often only makes the situation worse. This is especially true with those who are contemplating suicide for financial reasons, as mentioned above, because something as simple as keeping them from becoming homeless or providing them with a sufficiently paying job/unemployment assistance/food/needed medical care can itself end the feeling of hopelessness and save their lives.

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** In the case of anorexia nervosa or a first episode of bipolar mania, there may be ''zero'' external reason appearing. Anorexics are often (though not always) driven perfectionists [[ThePerfectionist perfectionists]] in all walks of life, and it is said perfectionism that leads to suicidality - the feeling that one is not good enough, while their life may seem absolutely charmed or perfect ''as a direct result'' of their devotion to perfectionism. Persons with bipolar mania, especially before diagnosis/treatment/recognition, often have lots of energy and drive and ambition and exaggerated belief in their own abilities - which can actually lead to their living a "larger than life" life and seeming on top of their world (and themselves feeling that way) - except that hallucinations or generally feeling invincible, or the mania switching to depression can lead to suicidal behavior.
** That said, going too far in the other direction and assuming that suicidality is only out of a known biological mental illness is also a huge misconception and mistake. It ''is'' possible to be DrivenToSuicide, especially in situations involving UsefulNotes/{{Abuse}} UsefulNotes/{{abuse}} to the point where the abuse (especially emotional abuse) has entirely destroyed someone's self-concept or taken away their will to live. Do not immediately assume that a suicidal person's family or religious organization is somehow always "on their side" or "trying to save them from themselves" - these are two groups that ''can'' and sometimes ''do'' inflict such pervasive emotional abuse. Also, some people with no or only mild apparent previous mental illness ''can'' be DrivenToSuicide by a sudden tragedy - sudden loss of a meaningful person such as a relative or spouse/lover to death and severe financial loss are two huge risk factors. In this case, they think that they're literally facing a FateWorseThanDeath.[[note]]There is actually a strong connection between economic recessions/depressions/austerity and suicides, one ''not'' explained by the lack of or postponement of seeking mental health services during such - financial ''financial loss ''itself'' itself'' is the suicide-inspiring factor.[[/note]]
* Misconception: '''All suicidality is a result of an episode of [[TheMentallyDisturbed mental illness; illness]]; suicidal people are all [[InsaneEqualsViolent "crazy" or "psychotic."''': "]]''': This is HollywoodPsychology in action. While psychosis is a frequent factor in suicide (note the high rate among untreated/badly treated schizophrenics, and mixed manic/depressed episodes in Bipolar 1 are close behind for it), many people attempt or even commit suicide simply because the pain of their life situation has exceeded their ability to cope with said pain, and many times this is a result of hyperrealistic pessimism or traumatic events (including abuse, rape, the loss of loved ones, extreme financial loss loss, and/or social ostracism), ''not'' loss of touch with reality. As said above, it ''is'' possible to be DrivenToSuicide, and even [[SeenItAllSuicide doing it out of sheer annoyance and and]] [[SuicideIsPainless boredom with life]] is possible. possible.\\
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While there is some argument that clinical depression is a part of the inability to cope with pain, to fail to recognize and legitimize the suffering of victims who are in serious, legitimate pain for reasons ''outside their own mind'' often only makes the situation worse. This is especially true with those who are contemplating suicide for financial reasons, as mentioned above, because something as simple as keeping them from becoming homeless or providing them with a sufficiently paying job/unemployment assistance/food/needed medical care can itself end the feeling of hopelessness and save their lives.



* Misconception: '''Calling police is always the solution.''' Calling authorities on someone or pressing a "suicide notify" button on a post is a last resort - which too many people take as the proper response. The only time one should call authorities is if there is a threat of harm to ''others'' involving the method of choice, or the person is actively violent toward anyone trying to help. If you have any sort of preexisting friendship with the person threatening suicide (or are even just an acquaintance), it's generally better to try to talk to them and encourage them to talk to others, or to contact close friends of the person that can help. This is because:

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* Misconception: '''Calling police is always the solution.''' Calling authorities on someone or pressing a "suicide notify" button on a post is a last resort - which too many people take as the proper response. The only time one should call authorities is if there is a an active threat of harm to ''others'' involving the method of choice, or the person is actively violent toward anyone trying to help. If you have any sort of preexisting friendship with the person threatening suicide (or are even just an acquaintance), it's generally better to try to talk to them and encourage them to talk to others, or to contact close friends of the person that can help. This is because:



** Not all police officers are understanding of suicide attempts and suicidality, especially among women and GLBTQIA people or with people they've had prior contacts with for suicide attempts. Some police officers ''are'' understanding; others may assume it's a false alarm when it is in fact very real. You may have an understanding cop answer the call; you may have the call answered by a cop who has never handled a suicidal person before, or who panics, or who does any number of things that can make the situation worse.

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** Not all police officers are understanding of suicide attempts and suicidality, especially among women and GLBTQIA people or with people they've had prior contacts with for suicide attempts. Some police officers ''are'' understanding; others may assume it's a false alarm when it is in fact very real. You may have an understanding cop answer the call; you may have the call answered by a cop who has never handled a suicidal person before, or who panics, or who [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom does any number of things that can make the situation worse.worse]].



* Misconception: '''People even experiencing thoughts of suicide (much less attempting it) are [[AxCrazy dangerously violent]].''' While suicide is the ultimate act of violence toward ''oneself,'' most people who consider or even attempt it are ''not'' homicidal toward others and never will be. In fact, the majority of suicide attempts are conducted in privacy/isolation both because the person is often alone/isolated, ''and'' does not want to harm anyone else with the attempt; ''and'' some attempters pick less lethal methods such as drugs or cutting for this very reason. If someone is expressing suicidal thoughts, don't treat them like they are dangerous or evil for doing so.
** As an addenda to this, pretty much the only time suicidal people are dangerous to anyone ''but'' themselves is if they express interest in [[TakingYouWithMe murder-suicide as revenge[=/=]Taking You With Me]][=/=]SuicideByCop or the like and pursue such plans, if they choose a method that is guaranteed to hurt/kill others, have stated that they will harm anyone who attempts to stop them (and you know them well enough to have good reason to believe that they are not bluffing), or ''if'' they are armed with a weapon such as a gun or long knife/sword ''and'' interrupted mid-attempt with someone violently trying to take the weapon away.

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* Misconception: '''People even experiencing thoughts of suicide (much less attempting it) are [[AxCrazy dangerously violent]].''' While suicide is the ultimate act of violence toward ''oneself,'' most people who consider or even attempt it are ''not'' homicidal toward others and others, ''and never will be. be.'' In fact, the majority of suicide attempts are conducted in privacy/isolation both because the person is often alone/isolated, ''and'' does not want to harm anyone else with the attempt; ''and'' some attempters pick less lethal methods such as drugs or cutting for this very reason. If someone is expressing suicidal thoughts, don't treat them like they are dangerous or evil for doing so.so; this will only alienate them further.
** As an addenda to this, pretty much the only time suicidal people are dangerous to anyone ''but'' themselves is if they express interest in [[TakingYouWithMe murder-suicide as revenge[=/=]Taking revenge/Taking You With with Me]][=/=]SuicideByCop or the like and pursue such plans, if they choose a method that is guaranteed to hurt/kill others, have stated that they will harm anyone who attempts to stop them (and you know them well enough to have good reason to believe that [[SincerityMode they are not bluffing), bluffing]]), or ''if'' they are armed with a weapon such as a gun or long knife/sword ''and'' [[BulletHolesAndRevelations interrupted mid-attempt with with]] [[GunStruggle someone violently trying to take the weapon away.away]].



** Conversely, a sudden lift in a depressed person's spirits does ''not'' necessarily mean they've "gotten over it" and are starting to recover. Paradoxically, some seriously depressed people will actually feel ''better'' just before attempting suicide. This is because they believe that they have finally figured out a way to escape their angst, and are therefore feeling hopeful for the first time in ages.
*** In many cases, it's the extent of the depression that prevents suicide attempts. The depressed person simply does not have the motivation to kill themselves. If they improve, [[GoneHorriblyRight the motivation can increase without an improvement in feelings]], and the person attempts suicide. [[http://biopsychiatry.com/antidepressants/warnings.html This can prove a problem for those on antidepressants]].

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** Conversely, a sudden lift in a depressed person's spirits does ''not'' necessarily mean they've "gotten over it" and are starting to recover. Paradoxically, [[https://www.depressioncomix.com/posts/134/ Paradoxically]], some seriously depressed people will actually feel ''better'' just before attempting suicide. This is because they believe that they have finally figured out a way to escape their angst, and are therefore feeling hopeful for the first time in ages.
*** In many cases, it's the extent of the depression that prevents suicide attempts. The depressed person simply does not have the motivation to kill themselves. If they improve, [[GoneHorriblyRight the motivation can increase without an improvement in feelings]], [[https://www.depressioncomix.com/posts/050/ and the person attempts suicide.suicide]]. [[http://biopsychiatry.com/antidepressants/warnings.html This can prove a problem for those on antidepressants]].



* Misconception: '''All suicides are planned for a long time.''' Many times, ''suicide is impulsive,'' especially in the severely traumatized, the bipolar, people who have suffered a traumatizing event such as rape or the loss of a loved one, and/or those who use drugs with a rush-crash pattern from alcohol to meth, and a viable strategy for preventing it is to get the person to wait out the impulse to commit suicide, with no judgment on their feelings but simply "running down the clock" and keeping them in a safe or safer environment while they are experiencing the impulse to die until it legitimately recedes, at least for the time being. For some of these persons (those suffering from trauma/PTSD and/or complicated grief), treatment itself involves making a suicide "emergency plan" or "safety plan" that relies on their seeking out people and things to help them get past the impulses, because ''nothing'' will entirely eradicate said impulses and a UsefulNotes/{{trigger}} can bring them back.

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* Misconception: '''All suicides are planned for a long time.''' Many times, ''suicide is impulsive,'' especially in the severely traumatized, the bipolar, people who have suffered a traumatizing event such as rape or the loss of a loved one, and/or those who use drugs with a rush-crash pattern from alcohol to meth, and a viable strategy for preventing it is to get the person to wait out the impulse to commit suicide, with no judgment on their feelings feelings, but simply "running down the clock" and keeping them in a safe or safer environment while they are experiencing the impulse to die until it legitimately recedes, at least for the time being. For some of these persons (those suffering from trauma/PTSD and/or complicated grief), treatment itself involves making a suicide "emergency plan" or "safety plan" that relies on their seeking out people and things to help them get past the impulses, because ''nothing'' will entirely eradicate said impulses and a UsefulNotes/{{trigger}} can bring them back.



* Misconception: '''Everything goes back to normal right away.''' While the short-term problem may be dealt with, it can take several months to go back to normal even without the physical recuperation of a suicide attempt. Major depression involves severe chemical imbalance in the person's brain, and relapsing or attempting suicide again after a year is common among nearly half of all sufferers. Even after therapy, it can take several years for the person to genuinely return to normal; further complication is when the person themselves thinks that this is true. They may hide their symptoms of relapse to keep others from worrying, or go for years without further treatment in the mistaken belief that they "should be back to normal." Even worse are the cases where the suicide is taken for a joke or forced to be abandoned, and the depressing events continue.

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* Misconception: '''Everything '''[[StatusQuoIsGod Everything goes back to normal right away.''' ]]''' While the short-term problem may be dealt with, it can take several months to go back to normal even without the physical recuperation of a suicide attempt. Major depression involves severe chemical imbalance in the person's brain, and relapsing or attempting suicide again after a year is common among nearly half of all sufferers. Even after therapy, it can take several years for the person to genuinely return to normal; further complication is when the person themselves thinks that this is true. They may hide their symptoms of relapse to keep others from worrying, or go for years without further treatment in the mistaken belief that they "should be back to normal." Even worse are the cases where the suicide is taken for a joke or forced to be abandoned, and the depressing events continue.



* Misconception: '''All suicides leave suicide notes, so if a suicide doesn't leave a note either the attempt wasn't serious or it wasn't really suicide.''' Again, utter nonsense perpetuated by Hollywood. Most suicides don't leave notes. In some countries fewer than one in ten suicides leave notes. It's more common in the US specifically because of media depictions.
* Misconception: '''The average suicide victim is a young adult.''' This varies hugely from country to country, but in most Western countries elders commit suicide at a much higher rate than younger people, and contrary to conventional wisdom it's not due to age or health but almost wholly due to depression.

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* Misconception: '''All suicides leave [[GoodbyeCruelWorld suicide notes, notes]], so if a suicide victim doesn't leave a note note, either the attempt wasn't serious or it wasn't really suicide.''' Again, utter nonsense perpetuated by Hollywood. Most suicides don't leave notes. In some countries countries, fewer than one in ten suicides leave notes. It's more common in the US U.S. specifically because of media depictions.
* Misconception: '''The average suicide victim is a young adult.''' This varies hugely from country to country, but in most Western countries countries, elders commit suicide at a much higher rate than younger people, and contrary to conventional wisdom wisdom, it's not due to age or health but almost wholly due to depression.



* Misconception: '''Anyone who considers or attempts suicide is being selfish and cowardly.''' [[SuicideIsShameful This is a very pervasive stereotype]], and also one of the most untrue. People attempt suicide for a variety of reasons, whether that's due to a long history of depression or recent traumas, and oftentimes people in the grip of depression who are considering suicide attempt it out of a desire for it "all to be over." The best way to help someone who's attempted or is about to attempt suicide is not to tell them they're being 'selfish' or 'inconsiderate', but to assist them in getting the help they need. Sometimes, the suicidal person will feel that they are burdening society with their existence and ''actually feels selfish for ''not'' killing themselves'' (in other words, they consider themselves to be TheLoad or even TheMillstone in relation to the rest of the world).
** The ''inverse'' is sometimes the case. People who [[BungledSuicide survive or intentionally botch their suicide]] won't always be happy at first. Some may in fact feel worse, because either [[DeathSeeker they couldn't even manage to]] ''[[DeathSeeker die]]'' [[DeathSeeker properly]], they feel like they've been [[YankTheDogsChain cheated out of relief]], or they feel they "chickened out" and have now burdened their loved ones with financial and emotional stress--the exact thing they wanted to avoid. It is a ''very'' twisted form of SurvivorGuilt that is often confusing for loved ones to deal with.

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* Misconception: '''Anyone '''[[SuicideIsShameful Anyone who considers or attempts suicide is being selfish and cowardly.''' [[SuicideIsShameful ]]''' This is a very pervasive stereotype]], stereotype, and also one of the most untrue. People attempt suicide for a variety of reasons, whether that's due to a long history of depression or recent traumas, and oftentimes people in the grip of depression who are considering suicide attempt it out of a desire for it "all to be over." The best way to help someone who's attempted or is about to attempt suicide is not to tell them they're being 'selfish' or 'inconsiderate', but to assist them in getting the help they need. Sometimes, the suicidal person will feel that they are burdening society with their existence and ''actually feels selfish for ''not'' killing themselves'' (in other words, they consider themselves to be TheLoad or even TheMillstone in relation to the rest of the world).
** The ''inverse'' is sometimes the case. People who [[BungledSuicide survive or intentionally botch their suicide]] won't always be happy at first. Some may in fact feel worse, because either [[DeathSeeker they couldn't even manage to]] ''[[DeathSeeker die]]'' [[DeathSeeker properly]], they feel like they've been [[YankTheDogsChain cheated out of relief]], or they feel they "chickened out" and have now burdened their loved ones with financial and emotional stress--the exact thing they wanted to avoid.avoid--with no relief to show for it. It is a ''very'' twisted form of SurvivorGuilt that is often confusing for loved ones to deal with.



* Misconception: '''If someone isn't serious about suicide, they likely won't commit it.''' This ties into both the aforementioned misconception about suicide notes, the one that teens aren't really serious, and in general the (false) idea that most suicides are not impulsive acts. Accidental suicide doesn't require intent at all - simply ambivalence or not caring as to whether one lives or dies. Most suicides are impulsive, with survivors reporting regretting attempts [[HappilyFailedSuicide almost as soon as they were underway]]. Finally, even some "joke suicides" such as someone engaging in an action likely to cause death on a [[SuicideDare dare]]/as a joke have "[[GoneHorriblyRight succeeded]]," as a short browse of the DarwinAwards will show.

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* Misconception: '''If someone isn't serious about suicide, they likely won't commit it.''' This ties into both the aforementioned misconception about suicide notes, the one that teens aren't really serious, and in general the (false) idea that most suicides are not impulsive acts. Accidental suicide doesn't require intent at all - simply [[NotAfraidToDie simple ambivalence or not caring as to whether one lives or dies.dies]] can be enough. Most suicides are impulsive, with survivors reporting regretting attempts [[HappilyFailedSuicide almost as soon as they were underway]]. Finally, even some "joke suicides" such as someone engaging in an action likely to cause death on a [[SuicideDare dare]]/as a joke have "[[GoneHorriblyRight succeeded]]," as a short browse of the DarwinAwards Website/DarwinAwards will show.



** Again, as mentioned above, sometimes people contemplate or attempt suicide for actual, legitimate reasons outside their own minds. While hospitalization may help someone in a situation of abuse or extreme financial loss get over the impulse to commit suicide in the short term, it can also make things worse. Especially in regard to abuse, financial loss, or physical pain, addressing the immediate situation (whether placing the person in a domestic violence shelter rather than a hospital, meeting an immediate financial threat, or treating the physical condition/pain) is the best idea both to see if the person is actually severely mentally ill (e.g. are they considering suicide still once they are no longer being screamed at or beat up or at risk of being evicted or fired or in so much pain that death seems a better option), and in making help seem more attractive if they are (e.g. choosing voluntary outpatient treatment themselves, as opposed to their abuser and/or the police forcing them into a hospital and taking away their independence/being able to select lower-cost treatment options than hospitalization/being able to integrate their physical and mental health care)
** Hospitalization (''especially'' forced hospitalization and in some contexts, especially where abuse has been a part of the depression and especially if the abusers insisted on the hospitalization as punitive, or hospitalization in a context of labeling and shaming or forced treatment) can be a traumatic, painful experience itself. While modern-day mental hospitals are ''not'' [[BedlamHouse generally what would be found in]] Literature/OneFlewOverTheCuckoosNest or such, not every professional employed by one is necessarily understanding. The "psychiatric survivor" and "mental health consumer" movements have some very good commentary on this - in short, forced hospitalization should be a very last resort much as calling the authorities should be, and do the research to find a hospital where patients are treated with kindness and respect.
** Related, a ''[[PsychoPsychologist bad]]'' [[PsychoPsychologist therapist]] is worse than ''[[ThereAreNoTherapists no]]'' [[ThereAreNoTherapists therapist]]. This is due to BreakThemByTalking. A therapist who is highly judgmental or commanding, one whose goal is to make someone "behave" or make them "normal," one who has little or no experience with the actual problems their patient has and sees them as a DSM category rather than a human being in legitimate pain, one who is beholden to a religion/method/seminar/similar, one who is very heteronormative in dealing with an LGBTQ person... all of the above are just a few ways a therapist can have very bad effects and make someone angry or fearful and possibly ''refuse to seek professional help ever again.''

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** Again, as mentioned above, sometimes people contemplate or attempt suicide for actual, legitimate reasons outside their own minds. While hospitalization may help someone in a situation of abuse or extreme financial loss get over the impulse to commit suicide in the short term, it can also make things worse. Especially in regard to abuse, financial loss, or physical pain, addressing the immediate situation (whether placing the person in a domestic violence shelter rather than a hospital, meeting an immediate financial threat, or treating the physical condition/pain) is the best idea both to see if the person is actually severely mentally ill (e.g. are they considering suicide still once they are no longer being screamed at or beat up or at risk of being evicted or fired or in so much pain that death seems a better option), and in making help seem more attractive if they are (e.g. choosing voluntary outpatient treatment themselves, as opposed to their abuser and/or the police forcing them into a hospital and taking away their independence/being able to select lower-cost treatment options than hospitalization/being able to integrate their physical and mental health care)
care).
** Hospitalization (''especially'' forced hospitalization and in some contexts, especially where abuse has been a part of the depression and especially and/or if the abusers insisted on the hospitalization as punitive, or hospitalization in a context of labeling and shaming or forced treatment) can be a traumatic, painful experience in and of itself. While modern-day mental hospitals are ''not'' [[BedlamHouse generally what would be found in]] Literature/OneFlewOverTheCuckoosNest or such, not every professional employed by one is necessarily understanding. The "psychiatric survivor" and "mental health consumer" movements have some very good commentary on this - in short, forced hospitalization should be a very last resort much as calling the authorities should be, and do the research should be done to find a hospital where patients are treated with kindness and respect.
** Related, Related: a ''[[PsychoPsychologist bad]]'' [[PsychoPsychologist therapist]] is worse than ''[[ThereAreNoTherapists no]]'' [[ThereAreNoTherapists therapist]]. This is due to vulnerability to BreakThemByTalking. A therapist who is highly judgmental or commanding, one whose goal is to make someone "behave" or make them "normal," one who has little or no experience with the actual problems their patient has and sees them as a DSM category rather than a human being in legitimate pain, one who is beholden to a religion/method/seminar/similar, one who is very heteronormative in dealing with an LGBTQ person... all of the above are just a few ways a therapist can have very bad effects and make someone angry or fearful and possibly ''refuse to seek professional help ever again.''



** On the subject of neuroleptics, they generally should be seen as a last resort in cases of depression. Not because they're "antipsychotic drugs" (a stigma entirely unwarranted) but because they are very powerful drugs with often heavily sedating direct effects and severe side effects (the biggest one being extreme obesity and diabetes for modern neuroleptics) and another side effect of causing actual brain damage. They should rarely if ever be used as first-line maintenance treatment for unipolar depression (despite ad campaigns like "Add Abilify") because they can worsen it and cause lasting damage beyond that of the depression itself - and a doctor suggesting them as such generally means one needs another doctor. They ''are'' an evidence-based first-line treatment (especially short term) for bipolar 1 ''manic episodes,'' though even there much medical opinion leans toward using them as emergency as needed and using lithium and/or anticonvulsant drugs as maintenance medication.

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** On the subject of neuroleptics, they generally should be seen as a last resort in cases of depression. Not because they're "antipsychotic drugs" (a stigma entirely unwarranted) but because they are very powerful drugs with often heavily sedating direct effects and severe side effects (the biggest one being extreme obesity and diabetes for modern neuroleptics) and another side effect of causing actual brain damage. They should rarely if ever be used as first-line maintenance treatment for unipolar depression (despite ad campaigns like "Add Abilify") because they can worsen it and cause lasting damage beyond that of the depression itself - and a doctor suggesting them as such generally means one needs another doctor. They ''are'' an evidence-based first-line treatment (especially short term) for bipolar 1 ''manic episodes,'' though even there there, much medical opinion leans toward using them as emergency as needed and using lithium and/or anticonvulsant drugs as maintenance medication.



* Misconception: '''Depressed or suicidal people must be living wrong; getting religion/getting sober/committing to a natural lifestyle/manifesting positive thoughts will fix it!''' This is one of the most damaging and often suicide-inspiring misconceptions of depression there is. It makes the guilt and self-blame a depression sufferer already has far worse to believe that their suffering is their own fault. It's also one that can lead people suffering from depression to make life choices that at best do nothing and at worst destroy their lives with no benefit.

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* Misconception: '''Depressed or suicidal people must be living wrong; getting religion/getting sober/committing to a natural lifestyle/manifesting positive thoughts will fix it!''' This is one of the most damaging and often suicide-inspiring misconceptions of depression there is.is, because it is UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming, plain and simple. It makes the guilt and self-blame a depression sufferer already has far worse to believe that their suffering is their own fault. It's also one that can lead people suffering from depression to make life choices that at best do nothing and at worst destroy their lives with no benefit.



** Positive thoughts and "faith" and manifestation ''CANNOT'' fix suicidal depression. A suicidally depressed person ''physically cannot'' maintain positive thinking any more so than they could wish away a broken arm, especially in the absence of anything realistic to be positive or happy about, as such things as "The Secret" and prosperity faith healers demand that one do. This does not make them a bad or evil person or a "[[TheEeyore black hole of negativity]]". It is simply part of the pain they are suffering. To tell people that if only they could think positively all their problems would be solved and they'd be able to manifest a new boyfriend, millions of dollars in the bank and perfect health (among other things) is offensive and can be triggering and suicide-inducing if they believe it (leading them to blame and hate themselves and feel guilty that they can't do it or can't maintain it in the face of no proof of improvement). It's the equivalent of telling someone with major injuries from a car accident or fall to just get up and go run the Ironman Triathalon and believe they weren't ever hurt in the first place.

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** [[ThinkHappyThoughts Positive thoughts and "faith" and manifestation manifestation]] ''CANNOT'' fix suicidal depression. A suicidally depressed person ''physically cannot'' maintain positive thinking any more so than they could wish away a broken arm, especially in the absence of anything realistic to be positive or happy about, as such things as "The Secret" and prosperity faith healers demand that one do. This does not make them a bad or evil person or a "[[TheEeyore black hole of negativity]]". It is simply part of the pain they are suffering. To tell people that if only they could think positively positively, all their problems would be solved and they'd be able to manifest a new boyfriend, millions of dollars in the bank bank, and perfect health (among other things) is offensive and can be triggering and suicide-inducing if they believe it (leading them to blame and hate themselves and feel guilty that they can't do it or can't maintain it in the face of no proof of improvement). It's the equivalent of telling someone with major injuries from a car accident or fall to just get up and go run the Ironman Triathalon and believe they weren't ever hurt in the first place.



* '''Persistent feelings of sadness or worthlessness, for at least two weeks.''' (Obvious sign of depression.) A common description by sufferers is that they feel "empty" or "hollow" inside. Unfortunately with teens, it is often dismissed as typical moodiness. This leads to the perfect storm of feeding their self-destructive thoughts, making them reluctant to seek help from adults, and instilling the belief that they have to ''prove'' their unhappiness is genuine--regrettably, [[GoneHorriblyRight some of those attempts work]].

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* '''Persistent feelings of sadness or worthlessness, for at least two weeks.''' (Obvious sign of depression.) A common description by sufferers is that [[EmptyShell they feel "empty" or "hollow" inside. Unfortunately inside]]. Unfortunately, with teens, it is often dismissed as typical moodiness. This leads to the perfect storm of feeding their self-destructive thoughts, making them reluctant to seek help from adults, and instilling the belief that they have to ''prove'' their unhappiness is genuine--regrettably, [[GoneHorriblyRight some of those attempts work]].



* '''Frequent breakdowns and crying episodes.''' (Known, but exaggerated.) This is rarely witnessed first-hand, despite common media depictions. Depressed people in real life will more often seek out quiet and isolated places during such episodes, either because they want privacy or because they want others to notice that they're gone. Whether male or female, the sufferer may have an (un)conscious desire to be found, as the act has a dual purpose of validating their feelings and giving them "proof" that someone cares about them. Alternately, though...

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* '''Frequent breakdowns and crying episodes.''' (Known, but exaggerated.) This is rarely witnessed first-hand, despite common media depictions.depictions due to serving the RuleOfPerception so well for depression. Depressed people in real life will more often seek out quiet and isolated places during such episodes, either because they want privacy or because they want others to notice that they're gone. Whether male or female, the sufferer may have an (un)conscious desire to be found, as the act has a dual purpose of validating their feelings and giving them "proof" that someone cares about them. Alternately, though...



* '''Feeling cold in inappropriate weather, or the coldness persisting in adequate warmth.''' (Little-known/overlooked.) This may be the reason for the stereotypical depictions of a black-clad "emo" teen, as dark colors absorb and retain heat better than light clothes. It also is one of the most frequently-overlooked symptoms, as wearing sweaters is not unusual in certain climates and even the person in question may not realize that this is a symptom.
* '''Changes in appetite and the subsequent weight gain/loss.''' (Little-known/overlooked.) As stated before, depression involves large-scale physiological changes, and subsequently affects the person's appetite. On the other hand, this can be hard to detect as those with decreased appetite will either remind or force themselves to eat normally, and those with increased appetite may hide the bulk of their overeating. Both sides may play it off as insignificant, or even joke about it to keep people from worrying. Extreme weight loss, lack of or intense attempts to suppress appetite, and/or being dangerously underweight are also the primary symptom of anorexia - and sudden unintentional weight ''gain'' in someone with anorexia often can inspire suicidal thoughts out of disgust with one's body/with one's "lack of control" over their weight.

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* '''Feeling cold in inappropriate weather, or the coldness persisting in adequate warmth.''' (Little-known/overlooked.) This may be the reason for the stereotypical depictions of a black-clad "emo" teen, as dark colors absorb and retain heat better than light clothes. It is also is one of the most frequently-overlooked symptoms, as wearing sweaters is not unusual in certain climates and even the person in question sufferer him/herself may not realize that this is a symptom.
* '''Changes in appetite and the subsequent weight gain/loss.''' (Little-known/overlooked.) As stated before, depression involves large-scale physiological changes, and subsequently affects the person's appetite. On the other hand, this can be hard to detect as those with decreased appetite will either remind or force themselves to eat normally, and those with increased appetite may hide the bulk of their overeating. Both sides may play it off as insignificant, or even [[SadClown joke about it it]] to keep people from worrying. Extreme weight loss, lack of or intense attempts to suppress appetite, and/or being dangerously underweight are also the primary symptom of anorexia - and sudden unintentional weight ''gain'' in someone with anorexia often can inspire suicidal thoughts out of disgust with one's body/with one's "lack of control" over their weight.



There are numerous other sites that go into detail about suicide and depression, but knowing what's wrong is only half the battle: '''If you or anyone you know is showing signs of depression, seek professional help immediately.''' If the professional seems controlling, condemnatory, dismissive or especially insistent that you convert to their religion or similar, ''keep looking'' even if it means going elsewhere.

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There are numerous other sites that go into detail about suicide and depression, but knowing what's wrong is only half the battle: '''If you or anyone you know is showing signs of depression, seek professional help immediately.''' If the professional seems controlling, condemnatory, dismissive dismissive, or especially insistent that you convert to their religion or similar, ''keep looking'' even if it means going elsewhere.



* Music/ChrisCornell of Music/{{Soundgarden}} was found unexpectedly dead immediately after performing a concert in Detroit, with a fitness band around his neck. The death was later confirmed to be a suicide by hanging, which shocked many as in the days and weeks leading to his death he tweeted and posted many optimistic messages on social media.

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* Music/ChrisCornell of Music/{{Soundgarden}} was found unexpectedly dead immediately after performing a concert in Detroit, with a fitness band around his neck. The death was later confirmed to be a suicide by hanging, which shocked many as in the days and weeks leading to his death death, he tweeted and posted many optimistic messages on social media.
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* In WorldWarII, the Japanese government deliberately frightened the civilian populations, most notably in Okinawa, about the supposed atrocities that the Allies would inflict should they take their islands to the point where many committed suicide. Only one-third of the civilian population of Saipan survived the American invasion, and most of the deaths were suicide.

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* In WorldWarII, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, the Japanese government deliberately frightened the civilian populations, most notably in Okinawa, about the supposed atrocities that the Allies would inflict should they take their islands to the point where many committed suicide. Only one-third of the civilian population of Saipan survived the American invasion, and most of the deaths were suicide.



* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing Alan Turing]] was a man key in decoding the Enigma machines in WorldWarII, and who even invented the first electronic computer to do so. Accidentally outed as gay when he reported a liaison who tried to burgle his house, Turing was found guilty of "gross indecency", and reluctantly chose chemical castration by hormone treatment over prison. Despite retaining his freedom, Turing was also fired and barred from the university where he worked, and his hormone "treatment" probably lead to his depression and weight gain. Infamously, Turing soon killed himself by eating an apple containing cyanide compounds he used in his work, possibly to make it plausible to his mother that his death was accidental. However, this has recently been questioned by modern historians. The death may indeed have been accidental; Turing had a home chemistry lab where he could conceivably have gotten into cyanide by accident, and the apple was never tested.

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* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing Alan Turing]] was a man key in decoding the Enigma machines in WorldWarII, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, and who even invented the first electronic computer to do so. Accidentally outed as gay when he reported a liaison who tried to burgle his house, Turing was found guilty of "gross indecency", and reluctantly chose chemical castration by hormone treatment over prison. Despite retaining his freedom, Turing was also fired and barred from the university where he worked, and his hormone "treatment" probably lead to his depression and weight gain. Infamously, Turing soon killed himself by eating an apple containing cyanide compounds he used in his work, possibly to make it plausible to his mother that his death was accidental. However, this has recently been questioned by modern historians. The death may indeed have been accidental; Turing had a home chemistry lab where he could conceivably have gotten into cyanide by accident, and the apple was never tested.
8th Jul '17 11:41:35 AM nombretomado
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* To put it politely, it isn't exactly an unfounded stereotype when you hear about poets always committing suicide. The "Confessional Poetry" movement of the Modernist era is a particularly morbid example. Again, to put it politely, all of the examples given in the opening paragraph on the article for the movement on TheOtherWiki took their own lives.

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* To put it politely, it isn't exactly an unfounded stereotype when you hear about poets always committing suicide. The "Confessional Poetry" movement of the Modernist era is a particularly morbid example. Again, to put it politely, all of the examples given in the opening paragraph on the article for the movement on TheOtherWiki Wiki/TheOtherWiki took their own lives.
8th Jun '17 11:53:06 AM ThePest179
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** This was not limited to Imperial Japan. During the fall of [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany Nazi Germany]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_suicides_in_1945_Nazi_Germany thousands of people committed suicide]] (including, as noted below, [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler its leader]]) to avoid capture or the humiliation of defeat.
23rd May '17 10:37:43 AM FromtheWordsofBR
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* Music/ChrisCornell of Music/{{Soundgarden}} was found unexpectedly dead immediately after performing a concert in Detroit, with a band around his neck. The death was later confirmed to be a suicide by hanging, which shocked many as days before his death he tweeted and posted many optimistic messages on social media.

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* Music/ChrisCornell of Music/{{Soundgarden}} was found unexpectedly dead immediately after performing a concert in Detroit, with a fitness band around his neck. The death was later confirmed to be a suicide by hanging, which shocked many as in the days before and weeks leading to his death he tweeted and posted many optimistic messages on social media.
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* Music/ChrisCornell of Music/{{Soundgarden}} was found unexpectedly dead immediately after performing a concert in Detroit, with a band around his neck. The death was later confirmed to be a suicide by hanging, which shocked many as days before his death he tweeted and posted many optimistic messages on social media.
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