History UsefulNotes / Suicide

31st Jan '16 10:10:55 PM MasterofGalaxies4628
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* The creator of the webcomic Webcomic/SexyLosers has chronic depression. His most recent webcomic, [[http://depressioncomix.tumblr.com/ Depression Comix]], depicts his personal experiences of what it's like to live with depression, including self-harm and thoughts of suicide.
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* The creator of the webcomic Webcomic/SexyLosers ''Webcomic/SexyLosers'' has chronic depression. His most recent webcomic, [[http://depressioncomix.tumblr.com/ Depression Comix]], ''Webcomic/DepressionComix'', depicts his personal experiences of what it's like to live with depression, including self-harm and thoughts of suicide.
10th Dec '15 1:47:30 PM MerryMikael
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Despite [[SuicideAsComedy what many works may lead you to believe]], suicide is a serious and extremely sensitive topic even with teenagers. Helping the suicidal is hard to do since many have little to no knowledge of psychology, and the warning signs are [[GoodbyeCruelWorld much more nuanced]] and [[DrivenToSuicide variable]] than what the media portrays. The pervasive mishandling of the issue, especially by Hollywood, leads to many deaths that could have been prevented if the proper measures had been taken. However, this page is not the end-all guide to diagnosis: This will merely debunk the common misconceptions surrounding suicide, as well as shed light on the reasons for them.
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Despite [[SuicideAsComedy what many works may lead you to believe]], suicide is a serious and extremely sensitive topic even with teenagers. Helping the suicidal is hard to do since many have little to no knowledge of psychology, and the psychology. The warning signs are [[GoodbyeCruelWorld much more nuanced]] and [[DrivenToSuicide variable]] than what the media portrays. The pervasive mishandling of the issue, especially by Hollywood, leads to many deaths that could have been prevented if the proper measures had been taken. However, this page is not the end-all guide to diagnosis: This will merely debunk the common misconceptions surrounding suicide, as well as shed light on the reasons for them.

But even in Western societies, the stigma around depression is such that sufferers will ''not'' ask for help immediately; occasionally, they will even insist that they feel normal and [[DontYouDarePityMe refuse help if offered]]. Constantly refusing help despite evidence that they need it is as much of a warning sign as asking for it: If someone suspects that their friend or loved one is feeling any sort of distress, they should keep offering help no matter how often the person refuses. It is ''extremely'' important that family and friends remain as supportive as possible, because the person is already under considerable mental stress--giving up on them may reinforce or even cause feelings of worthlessness, and suicide may be more likely than if they'd never gotten help in the first place.
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But even in Western societies, the stigma around depression is such that sufferers will ''not'' ask for help immediately; occasionally, immediately. Occasionally, they will even insist that they feel normal and [[DontYouDarePityMe refuse help if offered]]. Constantly refusing help despite evidence that they need it is as much of a warning sign as asking for it: If someone suspects that their friend or loved one is feeling any sort of distress, they should keep offering help no matter how often the person refuses. It is ''extremely'' important that family and friends remain as supportive as possible, because the person is already under considerable mental stress--giving up on them may reinforce or even cause feelings of worthlessness, and suicide may be more likely than if they'd never gotten help in the first place.

* Misconception: '''Depressed or suicidal people must be living wrong, getting religion/getting sober/committing to a natural lifestyle/manifesting positive thoughts will fix it!''' This is one of the most damaging and often suicide-inspiring misconceptions of depression there is (because it makes the guilt and self-blame a depression sufferer already has far worse to believe that their suffering is their own fault), and it's also one that can lead people suffering from depression to make life choices that at best do nothing and at worst destroy their lives with no benefit. ** People of ''any and all religions'' suffer abuse, depression, anxiety, bipolar, loss/trauma, and/or other reasons to feel suicidal. ''No'' religious belief is a cure for depression or anxiety (or any other illness) in and of itself, especially when the cause of depression or anxiety is entirely biochemical or hormonal or the like. While religious belief and prayer ''does'' have some positive effect on depression or anxiety for ''some'' believers, and religious groups ''can'' provide needed social support, some religious groups can also inflict such pervasive emotional and/or financial abuse that they worsen or even cause depression and suicide, can drive people (especially those who are LGBTQ) to believe they are "sinful" and "evil" or "not doing enough," or add a religious element to the depression/suicidality such as "God hates me" or "I deserve hell." Religious belief ''can'' be helpful to those who already have it and/or who are seeking it for the reasons of prayer/meditation/ritual being comforting and social support via meetings/assemblies/etcetera, but it isn't a cure-all, can make things worse, and having depression doesn't mean you're unspiritual or a "sinner" or lack faith. Also, if a religious group offers to heal your mind but ''requires'' or insists on increasingly large financial donations to help you, this is a red flag of something that ''can'' drive people to suicide and definitely won't help. *** Also, if you are severely depressed (or alternately, in a manic or psychotic episode), while you may be pondering religious ideas or thoughts, you are likely not of a sound enough mind to choose a religion or belief system wisely, and should wait until you are in a better frame of mind. Many highly demanding/outright abusive or fraudulent religious sects actively recruit mentally ill/mentally troubled people, and in such a state you ''are'' more vulnerable to making very bad decisions.
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* Misconception: '''Depressed or suicidal people must be living wrong, getting religion/getting sober/committing to a natural lifestyle/manifesting positive thoughts will fix it!''' This is one of the most damaging and often suicide-inspiring misconceptions of depression there is (because it is. It makes the guilt and self-blame a depression sufferer already has far worse to believe that their suffering is their own fault), and it's fault. It's also one that can lead people suffering from depression to make life choices that at best do nothing and at worst destroy their lives with no benefit. ** People of ''any and all religions'' suffer abuse, depression, anxiety, bipolar, loss/trauma, and/or other reasons to feel suicidal. ''No'' religious belief is a cure for depression or anxiety (or any other illness) in and of itself, especially when the cause of depression or anxiety is entirely biochemical or hormonal or the like. While religious belief and prayer ''does'' have some positive effect on depression or anxiety for ''some'' believers, believers and religious groups ''can'' provide needed social support, some religious groups can also inflict such pervasive emotional and/or financial abuse that they worsen or even cause depression and suicide, can drive people (especially those who are LGBTQ) to believe they are "sinful" and "evil" or "not "sinful"/"evil"/"not doing enough," enough" or add a religious element to the depression/suicidality such as "God hates me" or "I deserve hell." hell". Religious belief ''can'' be helpful to those who already have it and/or who are seeking it for the reasons of prayer/meditation/ritual being comforting and social support via meetings/assemblies/etcetera, but it isn't a cure-all, can make things worse, worse and having depression doesn't mean you're unspiritual or a "sinner" or lack faith. Also, if a religious group offers to heal your mind but ''requires'' or insists on increasingly large financial donations to help you, this is a red flag of something that ''can'' drive people to suicide and definitely won't help. *** Also, if you are severely depressed (or alternately, in a manic or psychotic episode), while you may be pondering religious ideas or thoughts, you are likely not of a sound enough mind to choose a religion or belief system wisely, and wisely. You should wait until you are in a better frame of mind. Many highly demanding/outright demanding or even outright abusive or fraudulent religious sects actively recruit mentally ill/mentally troubled people, and in ill/troubled people. In such a state you ''are'' more vulnerable to making very bad decisions.

** Despite what the GranolaGirl and AllNaturalSnakeOil provider will tell you, committing to a more natural lifestyle is also not an instant depression cure. While exercise ''is'' a valuable tool for depression and anxiety relief (studies have proven exercise is as valuable as SSRI antidepressants to overcoming depression), and sunshine (unless you suffer from porphyria) and fresh air and a good diet etcetera will make you feel better, none are cure-alls, some parts of the "more natural lifestyle" can become just as bad at guilt-inducing as religion, by making you feel guilty for "not doing enough" or "not being natural enough," and moving to a farm or collective or isolated location might worsen depression or anxiety via isolation and financial restriction, and possibly provide better access to firearms, dangerous machinery, or poisons. If you are so depressed you are suicidal, "going natural" won't, in and of itself, fix it. ** Positive thoughts and "faith" and manifestation ''CANNOT'' fix suicidal depression, because a suicidally depressed person ''physically cannot'' maintain positive thinking, especially in the absence of anything realistic to be positive or happy about, as such things as "The Secret" and prosperity faith healers demand that one do. This does not make them a bad or evil person, a "black hole of negativity," it is simply part of the pain they are suffering, and to tell people that if only they could think positively all their problems would be solved and they'd be able to manifest a new boyfriend, millions of dollars in the bank, and perfect health (among other things) is offensive and can be triggering and suicide-inducing if they believe it (and therefore blame themselves and hate themselves and feel guilty that they can't, or can't maintain it in the face of no proof of improvement). It's the equivalent of telling someone with major injuries from a car accident or fall to just get up and go run the Ironman Triathalon and believe they weren't ever hurt in the first place. *** If preventing suicide was as easy as "thinking positively," and "having faith," bipolar 1 manic episodes would have ''zero'' suicide risk - as opposed to the ''increased'' risk of suicide that they actually have. Persons who are manic are definitely thinking positively and having faith (in fact, ''too much'' of both - it's called "grandiosity" and a "feeling of invincibility"), ''so much'' that it is out of touch with reality and that they are likely to commit accidental suicide by taking risks that have a large chance of death (e.g. believing they can walk on a freeway without being hit by cars, using firearms with no regard for [[UsefulNotes/GunSafety safe practices]], believing they are truly physically invincible or simply not thinking of how risky an activity is until they are already risking their life).
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** Despite what the GranolaGirl and AllNaturalSnakeOil provider will tell you, committing to a more natural lifestyle is also not an instant depression cure. While exercise ''is'' a valuable tool for depression and anxiety relief (studies have proven exercise is as valuable as SSRI antidepressants to overcoming depression), depression) and sunshine (unless you suffer from porphyria) and porphyria), fresh air and a good diet etcetera will make you feel better, none are cure-alls, some parts of the "more natural lifestyle" can become just as bad at guilt-inducing as religion, religion by making you feel guilty for "not doing enough" or "not enough"/"not being natural enough," enough" and moving to a farm or collective or isolated location might worsen depression or anxiety via isolation and financial restriction, restriction and possibly provide better access to firearms, dangerous machinery, machinery or poisons. If you are so depressed you are suicidal, "going natural" won't, in and of itself, fix it. ** Positive thoughts and "faith" and manifestation ''CANNOT'' fix suicidal depression, because a depression. A suicidally depressed person ''physically cannot'' maintain positive thinking, especially in the absence of anything realistic to be positive or happy about, as such things as "The Secret" and prosperity faith healers demand that one do. This does not make them a bad or evil person, person or a "black hole of negativity," it negativity". It is simply part of the pain they are suffering, and to suffering. To tell people that if only they could think positively all their problems would be solved and they'd be able to manifest a new boyfriend, millions of dollars in the bank, bank and perfect health (among other things) is offensive and can be triggering and suicide-inducing if they believe it (and therefore (leading them to blame themselves and hate themselves and feel guilty that they can't, can't do it or can't maintain it in the face of no proof of improvement). It's the equivalent of telling someone with major injuries from a car accident or fall to just get up and go run the Ironman Triathalon and believe they weren't ever hurt in the first place. *** If preventing suicide was as easy as "thinking positively," and "having faith," bipolar 1 manic episodes would have ''zero'' suicide risk - as opposed to the ''increased'' risk of suicide that they actually have. Persons Persons, who are in a manic state are definitely thinking positively and having faith (in fact, ''too much'' of both faith and positive thoughts - it's called "grandiosity" and a "feeling of invincibility"), invincibility" - ''so much'' much so'' that it is out of touch with reality and that they are likely to commit accidental suicide by taking risks that have a large chance of death (e.g. believing they can walk on a freeway without being hit by cars, using firearms with no regard for [[UsefulNotes/GunSafety safe practices]], believing they are truly physically invincible or simply not thinking of how risky an activity is until they are already risking their life).

* '''Changes in consumption of alcohol, recreational drugs, work hours, and/or forms of escapism.''' This is a more recently recognized sign, and one that appears to be more common among adult athletes, entertainers, musicians, doctors, lawyers and law enforcement, high-level business and finance workers, and others who live high-stress and yet relatively high income and high access to any or all of said options for escape. Much like overeating and under eating and oversleeping and insomnia, either side of the coin can be present. for example, one depressed / suicidal musician might lock himself in his studio and work nonstop using work to avoid the pain, and another who used to work nearly nonstop might suddenly quit and do no work at all. Or a lawyer who drank relatively little to begin with might go OffTheWagon, or alternately, a lawyer known for heavy drinking suddenly goes sober and begins self-recrimination as a part of "recovery." The key here is major changes ''either way'' that are either not connected to any apparent reason ''or'' that are tied to an obvious triggering event.
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* '''Changes in consumption of alcohol, recreational drugs, work hours, and/or forms of escapism.''' This is a more recently recognized sign, sign and one that appears to be more common among adult athletes, entertainers, musicians, doctors, lawyers and law enforcement, high-level business and finance workers, and others who live high-stress and yet relatively high income and high access to any or all of said options for escape. Much like overeating and under eating and oversleeping and insomnia, either side of the coin can be present. for For example, one depressed / suicidal musician might lock himself in his studio and work nonstop using work to avoid the pain, pain and another who used to work nearly nonstop might suddenly quit and do no work at all. Or a A lawyer who drank relatively little to begin with might go OffTheWagon, or OffTheWagon or, alternately, a lawyer known for heavy drinking suddenly goes sober and begins self-recrimination as a part of "recovery." The key here is major changes ''either way'' that are either not connected to any apparent reason ''or'' that are tied to an obvious triggering event.

It should be noted that a great deal of depression and suicide involves appearances and (often) self-imposed pressures: Depression stems from both an inability to express emotions and the underlying, if warped, desire to protect their loved ones from such "unsafe" or "wrong" emotions. The major issue during therapy is that the ''person'' accepts that they have a problem, that they need help, and that the steps for returning to normal will not happen right away. Generally, a good therapist will help their client figure most of it out by themselves instead of trying to set deadlines or goals for them. This is also why therapy is overwhelmingly one-on-one or in groups of fellow sufferers, rather than with family members or friends--the emotional involvement would impede the person's progress for a number of reasons.
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It should be noted that a great deal of depression and suicide involves appearances and (often) self-imposed pressures: Depression stems from both an inability to express emotions and the underlying, if warped, desire to protect their loved ones from such "unsafe" or "wrong" emotions. The major issue during therapy is that the ''person'' accepts that they have a problem, that they need help, help and that the steps for returning to normal will not happen right away. Generally, a good therapist will help their client figure most of it out by themselves instead of trying to set deadlines or goals for them. This is also why therapy is overwhelmingly one-on-one or in groups of fellow sufferers, rather than with family members or friends--the emotional involvement would impede the person's progress for a number of reasons.
1st Nov '15 3:45:28 PM TheAmazingBlachman
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** Conversely, a sudden lift in a depressed person's spirits does ''not'' necessarily mean they've "gotten over it" and are starting to recover. Paradoxically, some seriously depressed people will actually feel ''better'' just before attempting suicide. This is because they've finally figured out a way to escape their angst, and are therefore feeling hopeful for the first time in ages.
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** Conversely, a sudden lift in a depressed person's spirits does ''not'' necessarily mean they've "gotten over it" and are starting to recover. Paradoxically, some seriously depressed people will actually feel ''better'' just before attempting suicide. This is because they've they believe that they have finally figured out a way to escape their angst, and are therefore feeling hopeful for the first time in ages.
12th Sep '15 10:43:04 PM nombretomado
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* Kurt Cobain of {{Nirvana}} shot himself at his home. Surrounded by ConspiracyTheories that he was murdered mostly based around some of the misconceptions outlined above. Notably that a note found with his body "doesn't read like a suicide note" even though it is a long rambling apology to his fans for his apathy towards his success and his shame at not appreciating them.
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* Kurt Cobain Music/KurtCobain of {{Nirvana}} {{Music/Nirvana}} shot himself at his home. Surrounded by ConspiracyTheories that he was murdered mostly based around some of the misconceptions outlined above. Notably that a note found with his body "doesn't read like a suicide note" even though it is a long rambling apology to his fans for his apathy towards his success and his shame at not appreciating them.
7th Sep '15 2:34:22 PM HasturHasturHastur
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* The death of Justin Lowe of After the Burial fame may have been this, or it may have merely been an accidental fall. In either case, he had apparently had a mix of mental illness, drug usage, high levels of stress, and general frustration with life brewing for quite a while that eventually manifested as a full-on (and very public) psychotic breakdown on Facebook, where he posted a lengthy, rambling story about what appeared to be a conspiracy involving his bandmates, Sumerian Records, and a large portion of the people in his life seeking to ruin him. After being placed in the care of his family, Lowe vanished sometime around July 20, 2015, and while his car was found abandoned in a parking lot near the Minnesota half of the Arcola High Bridge, he was not found until the day after, when a hiker found a body that was determined to be his. The death was ruled to be consistent with a fall, but authorities were not able to determine whether it was accidental or intentional. On one hand, he was clearly not in his right mind and may have acted with a total disregard for caution that led to his fall; on the other hand, the Arcola High Bridge is a notorious suicide spot and his breakdown indicated that he believed that he was going to get the bottom of the supposed conspiracy, and being released to the care of his family may have constituted an ultimate failure for him that spurred him to take his own life.
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* The death of Justin Lowe of After the Burial fame may have been this, or it may have merely been an accidental fall. In either case, he had apparently had a mix of mental illness, drug usage, high levels of stress, and general frustration with life brewing for quite a while that eventually manifested as a full-on (and very public) psychotic breakdown on Facebook, where he posted a lengthy, rambling story about what appeared to be a conspiracy involving his bandmates, Sumerian Records, and a large portion of the people in his life seeking to ruin him. After being placed in the care of his family, Lowe vanished sometime around July 20, 2015, and while his car was found abandoned in a parking lot near the Minnesota half of the Arcola High Bridge, he was not found until the day after, when a hiker found a body that was determined to be his. The death was ruled to be consistent with a fall, but authorities were not able to determine whether it was accidental or intentional. On one hand, he was clearly not in his right mind and may have acted with a total disregard for caution that led to his fall; on the other hand, the Arcola High Bridge is a notorious suicide spot and his breakdown indicated that he believed that he was going to get to the bottom of the supposed conspiracy, and being released to the care of his family may have constituted an ultimate failure for him that spurred him to take his own life.
7th Sep '15 2:33:07 PM HasturHasturHastur
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* The death of Justin Lowe of After the Burial fame may have been this, or it may have merely been an accidental fall. In either case, he had apparently had a mix of mental illness, drug usage, high levels of stress, and general frustration with life brewing for quite a while that eventually manifested as a full-on (and very public) psychotic breakdown on Facebook, where he posted a lengthy, rambling story about what appeared to be a conspiracy involving his bandmates, Sumerian Records, and a large portion of the people in his life seeking to ruin him. After being placed in the care of his family, Lowe vanished sometime around July 20, 2015, and while his car was found abandoned in a parking lot near the Minnesota half of the Arcola High Bridge, he was not found until the day after, when a hiker found a body that was determined to be his. The death was ruled to be consistent with a fall, but authorities were not able to determine whether it was accidental or intentional. On one hand, he was clearly not in his right mind and may have acted with a total disregard for caution that led to his fall; on the other hand, the Arcola High Bridge is a notorious suicide spot and his breakdown indicated that he believed that he was going to get the bottom of the supposed conspiracy, and being released to the care of his family may have constituted an ultimate failure for him that spurred him to take his own life.
26th Aug '15 8:42:04 AM LahmacunKebab
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The first scientific study, and indeed the [[UnbuiltTrope first sociological study]], ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_(book) Suicide]]'', was written by Émile Durckheim in 1896, studying suicide among different religions and social classes and finding, among other, suicide less common among Catholic, Jews, those with few education and civilians than soldiers, Scandinavians, singles and soldiers.
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The first scientific study, and indeed the [[UnbuiltTrope first sociological study]], ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_(book) Suicide]]'', was written by Émile Durckheim in 1896, studying suicide among different religions and social classes and finding, among other, suicide less common among Catholic, Jews, those with few education and civilians than soldiers, Scandinavians, singles and soldiers.
8th Mar '15 9:30:23 PM jormis29
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** Cetaceans are voluntary breathers. They can decide to end their lives at any time by just not taking that next breath. Ric O'Barry holds that this was the case with Kathy, the dolphin who usually played {{Flipper}}.
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** Cetaceans are voluntary breathers. They can decide to end their lives at any time by just not taking that next breath. Ric O'Barry holds that this was the case with Kathy, the dolphin who usually played {{Flipper}}.''{{Series/Flipper}}''.
7th Mar '15 7:58:58 AM HasturHasturHastur
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** As an addenda to this, pretty much the only time suicidal people are dangerous to anyone ''but'' themselves is if they express interest in [[TakingYouWithMe murder-suicide as revenge[=/=]TakingYouWithMe]][=/=]SuicideByCop or the like and pursue such plans, if they choose a method that is guaranteed to hurt/kill others, or ''if'' they are armed with a weapon such as a gun or long knife/sword ''and'' interrupted mid-attempt with someone violently trying to take the weapon away.
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** As an addenda to this, pretty much the only time suicidal people are dangerous to anyone ''but'' themselves is if they express interest in [[TakingYouWithMe murder-suicide as revenge[=/=]TakingYouWithMe]][=/=]SuicideByCop or the like and pursue such plans, if they choose a method that is guaranteed to hurt/kill others, have stated that they will harm anyone who attempts to stop them, or ''if'' they are armed with a weapon such as a gun or long knife/sword ''and'' interrupted mid-attempt with someone violently trying to take the weapon away.

* '''Sudden loss of care for dangerous activities, beyond that possibly explained by apathy or experience.''' Someone may begin driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs, driving far more recklessly or at higher speeds than usual, act out in "road rage," get into repeated or serious non-fatal vehicle accidents or otherwise become an outright dangerous driver. Someone may overwork or work in a dangerous manner (e.g. removing protective equipment or ignoring safety precautions, especially when doing so could lead to death or serious injury, working until the point of physical collapse from lack of sleep or pain). Someone may suddenly take up risky or dangerous hobbies, or, if they previously rode dirt bikes or skydived or chased storms for example, ignoring their usual safety precautions while doing so, or may allow a previously controlled illness from diabetes to an eating disorder to get out of control, and it can also overlap with the symptom below. The key here is that while people tend to become more lax on safety the more they do something due to apathy and familiarity, the changes are more obvious than that and persistent - it is someone who consistently acts in a manner that hints at "not caring about living or dying."
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* '''Sudden loss of care for dangerous activities, beyond that possibly explained by apathy or experience.''' Someone may begin driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs, driving far more recklessly or at higher speeds than usual, act out in "road rage," get into repeated or serious non-fatal vehicle accidents or otherwise become an outright dangerous driver. Someone previously known for being levelheaded and able to defuse or avoid conflict may suddenly start blowing up at the slightest provocation, make absolutely no attempt to keep minor disputes from getting out of hand or even intentionally feed into them, and repeatedly get into physical altercations. Someone may overwork or work in a dangerous manner (e.g. removing protective equipment or ignoring safety precautions, especially when doing so could lead to death or serious injury, working until the point of physical collapse from lack of sleep or pain). Someone may suddenly take up risky or dangerous hobbies, or, if they previously rode dirt bikes or skydived or chased storms for example, ignoring their usual safety precautions while doing so, or may allow a previously controlled illness from diabetes to an eating disorder to get out of control, and it can also overlap with the symptom below. The key here is that while people tend to become more lax on safety the more they do something due to apathy and familiarity, the changes are more obvious than that and persistent - it is someone who consistently acts in a manner that hints at "not caring about living or dying."

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* [[Music/BrokenHope Joe Ptacek]] shot himself in 2010. The reason why is still unknown; Jeremy Wagner (who was still good friends with him) had been talking with him for a while and the two were apparently formulating plans for bringing back Broken Hope. By all accounts, he appeared upbeat and positive, seemed to be healthy, and sounded like he was feeling optimistic about the Broken Hope reunion and life in general. If Wagner ever did find out why, it seems highly unlikely that he would be willing to talk about it.
21st Dec '14 2:02:36 PM UmaPuma
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