History UsefulNotes / SouthAfricansWithSurfaceToAirMissiles

7th Oct '17 9:40:13 PM nombretomado
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* In ''BloodDiamond'', Danny Archer was a member and fought in Angola.

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* In ''BloodDiamond'', ''Film/BloodDiamond'', Danny Archer was a member and fought in Angola.
21st Sep '17 11:28:58 PM PaulA
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-->--Music/TomLehrer on South Africa's nuclear ambitions, from the song ''[[Quotes/IsraelisWithInfraredMissiles Who's Next?]]''.

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-->--Music/TomLehrer -->-- Music/TomLehrer on South Africa's nuclear ambitions, from the song ''[[Quotes/IsraelisWithInfraredMissiles Who's Next?]]''.
"Who's Next?", ''Music/ThatWasTheYearThatWas''
28th Jul '17 5:02:03 AM SeptimusHeap
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* In the ''{{Discworld}}'' of Creator/AAPessimal, Rimwards Howondaland is a resurgent former colony on the far tip of the continent. An expy of South Africa in TheApartheidEra, it has two large and powerful Black Howondalandian neighbours and an undeclared border war is always going on ''somewhere''. usually in, er, ''[[MeaningfulName Smith-Rhodesia]]''. [[note]] Rimwards Howondaland is reluctantly supported by Ankh-Morpork, a state that deplores apartheid, but realises that its superpower rival Klatch is sponsoring the Black Howondalandian states on the other side. It becomes superpower rivalry by proxy, as in our world.[[/note]] In consequence its standing army is larger than usual, there is a massive pool of trained reservists who can be recalled very quickly, and its military structure is far more evolved and streamlined than most nations on the Disc, and it has some very good weapons indeed. Conscription of all able-bodied eighteen-to-twenty year olds for two years' National Service is part of the deal. In the tale ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12321109/1/Gap-Year-Adventures Gap Year Adventures]]'', the story opens with a group of White Howondalandians who have just graduated from the Assassins' School gloomily considering the next rite of passage is conscript military service. One who gets deferment for a year is eventually drafted and ends up in Twenty-Three Recruit Platoon, learning about her nation's army from the bottom up.

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* In the ''{{Discworld}}'' ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' of Creator/AAPessimal, Rimwards Howondaland is a resurgent former colony on the far tip of the continent. An expy of South Africa in TheApartheidEra, it has two large and powerful Black Howondalandian neighbours and an undeclared border war is always going on ''somewhere''. usually in, er, ''[[MeaningfulName Smith-Rhodesia]]''. [[note]] Rimwards Howondaland is reluctantly supported by Ankh-Morpork, a state that deplores apartheid, but realises that its superpower rival Klatch is sponsoring the Black Howondalandian states on the other side. It becomes superpower rivalry by proxy, as in our world.[[/note]] In consequence its standing army is larger than usual, there is a massive pool of trained reservists who can be recalled very quickly, and its military structure is far more evolved and streamlined than most nations on the Disc, and it has some very good weapons indeed. Conscription of all able-bodied eighteen-to-twenty year olds for two years' National Service is part of the deal. In the tale ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12321109/1/Gap-Year-Adventures Gap Year Adventures]]'', the story opens with a group of White Howondalandians who have just graduated from the Assassins' School gloomily considering the next rite of passage is conscript military service. One who gets deferment for a year is eventually drafted and ends up in Twenty-Three Recruit Platoon, learning about her nation's army from the bottom up.
13th Jun '17 9:25:45 PM nombretomado
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South Africans fought for Britain during WorldWarOne and WorldWarTwo and their Air Force turned up in Korea (earning a US [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Air_Force#Korean_War Presidential Unit Citation]]).

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South Africans fought for Britain during WorldWarOne UsefulNotes/WorldWarI and WorldWarTwo UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and their Air Force turned up in Korea (earning a US [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Air_Force#Korean_War Presidential Unit Citation]]).
17th Apr '17 3:31:33 PM KizunaTallis
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* In the MLP fanfic ''TheConversionBureau: [[TheConversionBureauNotAlone Not Alone]]'', the South African military makes the biggest contribution in defeating the ponies, seeing how Equestria spawned near the Cape Town coastline. The city was destroyed by Equestria's advancing barrier.

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* In the MLP fanfic ''TheConversionBureau: [[TheConversionBureauNotAlone Not Alone]]'', ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureauNotAlone'', the South African military makes is prominently featured, as the biggest contribution in defeating the ponies, seeing how Equestria spawned near the city of Cape Town coastline. The city was the first major population center to be destroyed by Equestria's advancing barrier.
15th Apr '17 9:35:58 AM AgProv
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* In the ''{{Discworld}}'' of Creator/AApessimal, Rimwards Howondaland is a resurgent former colony on the far tip of the continent. an expy of South Africa in TheApartheidEra, it has two large and powerful Black Howondalandian neighbours and an undeclared border war is always going on ''somewhere''.[[note]] Rimwards Howondaland is reluctantly supported by Ankh-Morpork, a state that deplores apartheid, but realises that its superpower rival Klatch is sponsoring the Black Howondalandian states on the other side. It becomes superpower rivalry by proxy, as in our world.[[/note]] In consequence its standing army is larger than usual, there is a massive pool of trained reservists who can be recalled very quickly, and its military structure is far more evolved and streamlined than most nations on the Disc, and it has some very good weapons indeed. Conscription of all able-bodied eighteen-to-twenty year olds for two years' National Service is part of the deal. In the tale ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12321109/1/Gap-Year-Adventures Gap Year Adventures]]'', the story opens with a group of White Howondalandians who have just graduated from the Assassins' School gloomily considering the next rite of passage is conscript military service. One who gets deferment for a year is eventually drafted and ends up in Twenty-Three Recruit Platoon, learning about her nation's army from the bottom up.

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* In the ''{{Discworld}}'' of Creator/AApessimal, Creator/AAPessimal, Rimwards Howondaland is a resurgent former colony on the far tip of the continent. an An expy of South Africa in TheApartheidEra, it has two large and powerful Black Howondalandian neighbours and an undeclared border war is always going on ''somewhere''.''somewhere''. usually in, er, ''[[MeaningfulName Smith-Rhodesia]]''. [[note]] Rimwards Howondaland is reluctantly supported by Ankh-Morpork, a state that deplores apartheid, but realises that its superpower rival Klatch is sponsoring the Black Howondalandian states on the other side. It becomes superpower rivalry by proxy, as in our world.[[/note]] In consequence its standing army is larger than usual, there is a massive pool of trained reservists who can be recalled very quickly, and its military structure is far more evolved and streamlined than most nations on the Disc, and it has some very good weapons indeed. Conscription of all able-bodied eighteen-to-twenty year olds for two years' National Service is part of the deal. In the tale ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12321109/1/Gap-Year-Adventures Gap Year Adventures]]'', the story opens with a group of White Howondalandians who have just graduated from the Assassins' School gloomily considering the next rite of passage is conscript military service. One who gets deferment for a year is eventually drafted and ends up in Twenty-Three Recruit Platoon, learning about her nation's army from the bottom up.
15th Apr '17 9:33:18 AM AgProv
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* In the ''{{Discworld}}'' of Creator/AApessimal, Rimwards Howondaland is a resurgent former colony on the far tip of the continent. an expy of South Africa in TheApartheidEra, it has two large and powerful Black Howondalandian neighbours and an undeclared border war is always going on ''somewhere''.[[note]] Rimwards Howondaland is reluctantly supported by Ankh-Morpork, a state that deplores apartheid, but realises that its superpower rival Klatch is sponsoring the Black Howondalandian states on the other side. It becomes superpower rivalry by proxy, as in our world.[[/note]] In consequence its standing army is larger than usual, there is a massive pool of trained reservists who can be recalled very quickly, and its military structure is far more evolved and streamlined than most nations on the Disc, and it has some very good weapons indeed. Conscription of all able-bodied eighteen-to-twenty year olds for two years' National Service is part of the deal. In the tale ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12321109/1/Gap-Year-Adventures Gap Year Adventures]]'', the story opens with a group of White Howondalandians who have just graduated from the Assassins' School gloomily considering the next rite of passage is conscript military service. One who gets deferment for a year is eventually drafted and ends up in Twenty-Three Recruit Platoon, learning about her nation's army from the bottom up.
29th Dec '16 9:34:48 AM nombretomado
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South Africa's military is an interesting one, primarily because of TheApartheidEra and their contribution to other wars.

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South Africa's military is an interesting one, primarily because of TheApartheidEra UsefulNotes/TheApartheidEra and their contribution to other wars.



During TheApartheidEra, the South Africans fought a border war with Angola (and unsuccessfully tried to stop Namibia, ex-German South West Africa, from gaining independence) against Marxist guerrillas- a reason why the US and UK were reluctant to challenge the regime too closely. Their main allies in Angola were the pro-West (but anti-colonialist) independence group [[http://www.unitaangola.org/ UNITA]]. Their enemies were the Communist-backed MPLA, along with soldiers from Cuba and the Soviet Union. While in Angola, the South Africans did quite well, but they eventually withdrew when reinforcements were needed for homeland defense.

Also during TheApartheidEra, South Africa was a nuclear state. The rationale was, while it was nominally allied to the West in the Cold War, it had Soviet-leaning neighbors who had no complicated embargo issues hindering their military development. Also, South Africa has a great deal of uranium. Also - in a strictly unofficial capacity - South Africa and Israel, the wild children of the non-communist world, entered into a technical-expertise-for-uranium trade relationship. And finally also, at the end of the '80s South Africa magnanimously destroyed their entire six-nuke arsenal and signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. The fact that the Apartheid administration was going to have to give way to the black majority in the near future was, of course, entirely coincidental (given Mandela's strong anti-nuclear stance as president, it's doubtful he would have minded).

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During TheApartheidEra, UsefulNotes/TheApartheidEra, the South Africans fought a border war with Angola (and unsuccessfully tried to stop Namibia, ex-German South West Africa, from gaining independence) against Marxist guerrillas- a reason why the US and UK were reluctant to challenge the regime too closely. Their main allies in Angola were the pro-West (but anti-colonialist) independence group [[http://www.unitaangola.org/ UNITA]]. Their enemies were the Communist-backed MPLA, along with soldiers from Cuba and the Soviet Union. While in Angola, the South Africans did quite well, but they eventually withdrew when reinforcements were needed for homeland defense.

Also during TheApartheidEra, UsefulNotes/TheApartheidEra, South Africa was a nuclear state. The rationale was, while it was nominally allied to the West in the Cold War, it had Soviet-leaning neighbors who had no complicated embargo issues hindering their military development. Also, South Africa has a great deal of uranium. Also - in a strictly unofficial capacity - South Africa and Israel, the wild children of the non-communist world, entered into a technical-expertise-for-uranium trade relationship. And finally also, at the end of the '80s South Africa magnanimously destroyed their entire six-nuke arsenal and signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. The fact that the Apartheid administration was going to have to give way to the black majority in the near future was, of course, entirely coincidental (given Mandela's strong anti-nuclear stance as president, it's doubtful he would have minded).
20th Mar '14 10:26:56 PM Geoduck
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-->--TomLehrer on South Africa's nuclear ambitions, from the song ''[[Quotes/IsraelisWithInfraredMissiles Who's Next?]]''.

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-->--TomLehrer -->--Music/TomLehrer on South Africa's nuclear ambitions, from the song ''[[Quotes/IsraelisWithInfraredMissiles Who's Next?]]''.
13th Jan '14 10:19:57 PM JackTheHammer
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* In ''Film/District9'' the South African-staffed PMC hired to deal with aliens over Johannesburg actually uses Surface-to-Air Missiles near the end of the movie.

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* In ''Film/District9'' ''Film/{{District 9}}'' the South African-staffed PMC hired to deal with aliens over Johannesburg actually uses Surface-to-Air Missiles near the end of the movie.
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