History UsefulNotes / Silencers

30th May '16 11:34:12 AM Kadorhal
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The idea of the HollywoodSilencer is so prevalent that real silencers are often marketed as "suppressors" to emphasise they do not make weapons completely silent, and gun enthusiasts discourage use of the term "silencer" due to the association. However, it isn't true that "suppressor" is the correct or original term; Hiram Maxim patented his original device as the "Maxim Silencer."

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The idea of the HollywoodSilencer Hollywood silencer is so prevalent that real silencers are often marketed as "suppressors" to emphasise they do not make weapons completely silent, and gun enthusiasts discourage use of the term "silencer" due to the association. However, it isn't true that "suppressor" is the correct or original term; Hiram Maxim patented his original device as the "Maxim Silencer."



One of the more surprising facts about suppressor use: US NAVY [=SEALs=] on scouting and sabotage missions in Vietnam almost never used suppressed pistols for eliminating sentries or combat in general; the most useful function of their issued silenced S&W MK-22 pistols turned out to be simply [[https://medium.com/war-is-boring/navy-seals-like-their-quiet-pistols-b902df735a06 killing various animals]] who otherwise might have been dangerous or compromising to the team. Hence the name "Hush Puppy" given to the gun.

Due to the perception that silencers are primarily used to aid and abet crime, private ownership or possession of a silencer is illegal in several U.S. states, including California and New Jersey. In the states where silencers aren't illegal, there is still a Federal approval procedure that has to be followed (which can take months, because only a small number of officials are assigned to approving purchases of silencers and other devices regulated under the National Firearms Act[[note]]Other NFA items include machine guns, short-barreled rifles and [[SawedOffShotgun shotguns]], and very high-caliber (as in larger than .50 caliber) firearms. Silencers, however, are the the most common NFA items, probably because they're less expensive and fewer states outright ban them[[/note]]) and a $200 Federal tax that has to be paid in order to purchase one. This is why the average HollywoodSilencer is just a metal tube and still produces a large muzzle flash; Hollywood propmasters don't want to pay thousands of dollars replacing and registering worn-out working silencers. It is also a common topic of complaint among gun advocates; ''[[InsistentTerminology suppressors]]'' only reduce the sound of gunshots to that of a nail gun, and are far simpler, cheaper and more effective(a metal tube and rubber washers) than $5 earplugs or $12-$35 earmuffs at preventing ear damage - if not for the $200 tax.

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One of the more surprising facts about suppressor use: US NAVY Navy [=SEALs=] on scouting and sabotage missions in Vietnam almost never used suppressed pistols for eliminating sentries or combat in general; the most useful function of their issued silenced S&W MK-22 Mk 22 pistols turned out to be simply [[https://medium.com/war-is-boring/navy-seals-like-their-quiet-pistols-b902df735a06 killing various animals]] who otherwise might have been dangerous or compromising to the team. Hence the name "Hush Puppy" given to the gun.

Due to the perception that silencers are primarily used to aid and abet crime, private ownership or possession of a silencer is illegal in several U.S. states, including California and New Jersey. In the states where silencers aren't illegal, there is still a Federal approval procedure that has to be followed (which can take months, because only a small number of officials are assigned to approving purchases of silencers and other devices regulated under the National Firearms Act[[note]]Other NFA items include machine guns, short-barreled rifles and [[SawedOffShotgun shotguns]], and very high-caliber (as in larger than .50 caliber) firearms. Silencers, however, are the the most common NFA items, probably because they're less expensive and fewer states outright ban them[[/note]]) and a $200 Federal tax that has to be paid in order to purchase one. This is why the average HollywoodSilencer Hollywood silencer is just a metal tube and still produces a large muzzle flash; Hollywood propmasters don't want to pay thousands of dollars replacing and registering worn-out working silencers. It is also a common topic of complaint among gun advocates; ''[[InsistentTerminology suppressors]]'' only reduce the sound of gunshots to that of a nail gun, and are far simpler, cheaper and more effective(a effective (a metal tube and rubber washers) than $5 earplugs or $12-$35 earmuffs at preventing ear damage - if not for the $200 tax.
29th Feb '16 9:11:47 AM Kalaong
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Due to the perception that silencers are primarily used to aid and abet crime, private ownership or possession of a silencer is illegal in several U.S. states, including California and New Jersey. In the states where silencers aren't illegal, there is still a Federal approval procedure that has to be followed (which can take months, because only a small number of officials are assigned to approving purchases of silencers and other devices regulated under the National Firearms Act[[note]]Other NFA items include machine guns, short-barreled rifles and [[SawedOffShotgun shotguns]], and very high-caliber (as in larger than .50 caliber) firearms. Silencers, however, are the the most common NFA items, probably because they're less expensive and fewer states outright ban them[[/note]]) and a $200 Federal tax that has to be paid in order to purchase one. This is why the average HollywoodSilencer is just a metal tube and still produces a large muzzle flash; Hollywood propmasters don't want to pay thousands of dollars replacing and registering worn-out working silencers. It is also a common topic of complaint among gun advocates; ''suppressors'' only reduce the sound of gunshots to that of a nail gun, and are far simpler, cheaper and more effective(a metal tube and rubber washers) than $5 earplugs or $12-$35 earmuffs at preventing ear damage - if not for the $200 tax.

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Due to the perception that silencers are primarily used to aid and abet crime, private ownership or possession of a silencer is illegal in several U.S. states, including California and New Jersey. In the states where silencers aren't illegal, there is still a Federal approval procedure that has to be followed (which can take months, because only a small number of officials are assigned to approving purchases of silencers and other devices regulated under the National Firearms Act[[note]]Other NFA items include machine guns, short-barreled rifles and [[SawedOffShotgun shotguns]], and very high-caliber (as in larger than .50 caliber) firearms. Silencers, however, are the the most common NFA items, probably because they're less expensive and fewer states outright ban them[[/note]]) and a $200 Federal tax that has to be paid in order to purchase one. This is why the average HollywoodSilencer is just a metal tube and still produces a large muzzle flash; Hollywood propmasters don't want to pay thousands of dollars replacing and registering worn-out working silencers. It is also a common topic of complaint among gun advocates; ''suppressors'' ''[[InsistentTerminology suppressors]]'' only reduce the sound of gunshots to that of a nail gun, and are far simpler, cheaper and more effective(a metal tube and rubber washers) than $5 earplugs or $12-$35 earmuffs at preventing ear damage - if not for the $200 tax.
29th Feb '16 9:11:05 AM Kalaong
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Due to the perception that silencers are primarily used to aid and abet crime, private ownership or possession of a silencer is illegal in several U.S. states, including California and New Jersey. In the states where silencers aren't illegal, there is still a Federal approval procedure that has to be followed (which can take months, because only a small number of officials are assigned to approving purchases of silencers and other devices regulated under the National Firearms Act[[note]]Other NFA items include machine guns, short-barreled rifles and [[SawedOffShotgun shotguns]], and very high-caliber (as in larger than .50 caliber) firearms. Silencers, however, are the the most common NFA items, probably because they're less expensive and fewer states outright ban them[[/note]]) and a $200 Federal tax that has to be paid in order to purchase one. This is why the average HollywoodSilencer is just a metal tube and still produces a large muzzle flash; Hollywood propmasters don't want to pay thousands of dollars replacing and registering worn-out working silencers. Interestingly, despite the stricter gun controls, it's a lot easier to buy a silencer in the UK and other European countries than in the U.S., due to them having never been painted with the brush of "criminality".

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Due to the perception that silencers are primarily used to aid and abet crime, private ownership or possession of a silencer is illegal in several U.S. states, including California and New Jersey. In the states where silencers aren't illegal, there is still a Federal approval procedure that has to be followed (which can take months, because only a small number of officials are assigned to approving purchases of silencers and other devices regulated under the National Firearms Act[[note]]Other NFA items include machine guns, short-barreled rifles and [[SawedOffShotgun shotguns]], and very high-caliber (as in larger than .50 caliber) firearms. Silencers, however, are the the most common NFA items, probably because they're less expensive and fewer states outright ban them[[/note]]) and a $200 Federal tax that has to be paid in order to purchase one. This is why the average HollywoodSilencer is just a metal tube and still produces a large muzzle flash; Hollywood propmasters don't want to pay thousands of dollars replacing and registering worn-out working silencers. It is also a common topic of complaint among gun advocates; ''suppressors'' only reduce the sound of gunshots to that of a nail gun, and are far simpler, cheaper and more effective(a metal tube and rubber washers) than $5 earplugs or $12-$35 earmuffs at preventing ear damage - if not for the $200 tax.

Interestingly, despite the stricter gun controls, it's a lot easier to buy a silencer in the UK and other European countries than in the U.S., due to them having never been painted with the brush of "criminality".
1st Dec '15 4:30:53 AM REV6Pilot
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Due to the perception that silencers are primarily used to aid and abet crime private ownership or possession of a silencer is illegal in several U.S. states, including California and New Jersey. In those states where silencers aren't illegal, there is still a Federal approval procedure that has to be followed (which can take months, because only a small number of officials are assigned to approving purchases of silencers and other devices regulated under the National Firearms Act[[note]]Other NFA items include machine guns, short-barreled rifles and [[SawedOffShotgun shotguns]], and very high-caliber (as in larger than .50 caliber) firearms. Silencers, however, are the the most common NFA items, probably because they're less expensive and fewer states outright ban them.[[/note]]) and a $200 Federal tax that has to be paid in order to purchase one. This is why the average HollywoodSilencer is just a metal tube and still produces a large muzzle flash; Hollywood propmasters don't want to pay thousands of dollars replacing and registering worn-out working silencers. Interestingly despite the stricter gun controls it's a lot easier to buy a silencer in the UK and other European countries than in the US due to having never been painted with the brush of criminality.

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Due to the perception that silencers are primarily used to aid and abet crime crime, private ownership or possession of a silencer is illegal in several U.S. states, including California and New Jersey. In those the states where silencers aren't illegal, there is still a Federal approval procedure that has to be followed (which can take months, because only a small number of officials are assigned to approving purchases of silencers and other devices regulated under the National Firearms Act[[note]]Other NFA items include machine guns, short-barreled rifles and [[SawedOffShotgun shotguns]], and very high-caliber (as in larger than .50 caliber) firearms. Silencers, however, are the the most common NFA items, probably because they're less expensive and fewer states outright ban them.[[/note]]) them[[/note]]) and a $200 Federal tax that has to be paid in order to purchase one. This is why the average HollywoodSilencer is just a metal tube and still produces a large muzzle flash; Hollywood propmasters don't want to pay thousands of dollars replacing and registering worn-out working silencers. Interestingly Interestingly, despite the stricter gun controls controls, it's a lot easier to buy a silencer in the UK and other European countries than in the US U.S., due to them having never been painted with the brush of criminality.
"criminality".
23rd May '15 3:40:46 AM AyeBraine
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One of the more surprising facts about suppressor use: US NAVY [=SEALs=] on scouting and sabotage missions in Vietnam almost never used suppressed pistols for eliminating sentries or combat in general; the most useful function of their issued silenced S&W MK-22 pistols turned out to be simply killing various animals who otherwise might have been dangerous or compromising to the team. Hence the name "Hush Puppy" given to the gun.

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One of the more surprising facts about suppressor use: US NAVY [=SEALs=] on scouting and sabotage missions in Vietnam almost never used suppressed pistols for eliminating sentries or combat in general; the most useful function of their issued silenced S&W MK-22 pistols turned out to be simply [[https://medium.com/war-is-boring/navy-seals-like-their-quiet-pistols-b902df735a06 killing various animals animals]] who otherwise might have been dangerous or compromising to the team. Hence the name "Hush Puppy" given to the gun.
23rd May '15 3:40:02 AM AyeBraine
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One of the more surprising facts about suppressor use: US NAVY SEALs on scouting and sabotage missions in Vietnam almost never used suppressed pistols for eliminating sentries or combat in general; the most useful function of their issued silenced S&W MK-22 pistols turned out to be simply killing various animals who otherwise might have been dangerous or compromising to the team. Hence the name "Hush Puppy" given to the gun.

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One of the more surprising facts about suppressor use: US NAVY SEALs [=SEALs=] on scouting and sabotage missions in Vietnam almost never used suppressed pistols for eliminating sentries or combat in general; the most useful function of their issued silenced S&W MK-22 pistols turned out to be simply killing various animals who otherwise might have been dangerous or compromising to the team. Hence the name "Hush Puppy" given to the gun.
23rd May '15 3:37:40 AM AyeBraine
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Another technique to improve sound suppression is shooting a silencer "wet" - i. e. literally dunking it in water beforehand. The water absorbs some of the energy of expanding gases, but dries quickly, meaning that this method is mainly used by civilian suppressor enthusiasts.



An additional and often ignored function of the silencer is to reduce muzzle flash. This greatly aids any shooter attempting to stay concealed (read: any shooter that doesn't want things shooting back at him), especially during low light conditions where muzzle flash is the easiest way to spot a gunman in action.

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An additional and often ignored function of the silencer is to reduce muzzle flash. This greatly aids any shooter attempting to stay concealed (read: any shooter that doesn't want things shooting back at him), especially during low light conditions where muzzle flash is the easiest way to spot a gunman in action.
action.

One of the more surprising facts about suppressor use: US NAVY SEALs on scouting and sabotage missions in Vietnam almost never used suppressed pistols for eliminating sentries or combat in general; the most useful function of their issued silenced S&W MK-22 pistols turned out to be simply killing various animals who otherwise might have been dangerous or compromising to the team. Hence the name "Hush Puppy" given to the gun.
23rd May '15 3:15:49 AM AyeBraine
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Another unexpected feature of firing a weapon with a silencer is the fact that the shooter might suffer a bad onion-eye. Silencers and suppressors work by slowing and trapping the gas exhaust; therefore, much of the "dirty" combustion byproducts that normally exit via the muzzle can blast right back through the action instead, blowing noxious powder fumes and even unburnt grains of propellant right into the shooter's face. This can cause anything from mild discomfort to a serious detriment to performance. There is a video in which an experienced Russian SWAT officer gets a powder grain in his eye - although in the video he simply keeps firing as he was taught, he [[http://k-a-r-d-e-n.livejournal.com/18849.html still had to use eye-drops for a week after]].
9th Dec '14 3:08:16 AM MarqFJA
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Due to the perception that silencers are primarily used to aid and abet crime private ownership or possession of a silencer is illegal in several U.S. states, including California and New Jersey. In those states where silencers aren't illegal, there is still a Federal approval procedure that has to be followed (which can take months, because only a small number of officials are assigned to approving purchases of silencers and other devices regulated under the National Firearms Act[[note]]Other NFA items include machine guns, short-barreled rifles and [[SawedOffShotgun shotguns]], and very high-caliber (as in larger than .50 caliber) firearms. Silencers, however, are the the most common NFA items, probably because they're less expensive and fewer states outright ban them.[[/note]]) and a $200 Federal tax that has to be paid in order to purchase one. This is why the average HollywoodSilencer is just a metal tube and still produces a large muzzle flash; Hollywood propmasters don't want to pay thousands of dollars replacing and registering worn-out working silencers. Interestingly despite the stricter gun controls it's a lot easier to buy a silencer in the UK and other European than the US due to having never been painted with the brush of criminality.

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Due to the perception that silencers are primarily used to aid and abet crime private ownership or possession of a silencer is illegal in several U.S. states, including California and New Jersey. In those states where silencers aren't illegal, there is still a Federal approval procedure that has to be followed (which can take months, because only a small number of officials are assigned to approving purchases of silencers and other devices regulated under the National Firearms Act[[note]]Other NFA items include machine guns, short-barreled rifles and [[SawedOffShotgun shotguns]], and very high-caliber (as in larger than .50 caliber) firearms. Silencers, however, are the the most common NFA items, probably because they're less expensive and fewer states outright ban them.[[/note]]) and a $200 Federal tax that has to be paid in order to purchase one. This is why the average HollywoodSilencer is just a metal tube and still produces a large muzzle flash; Hollywood propmasters don't want to pay thousands of dollars replacing and registering worn-out working silencers. Interestingly despite the stricter gun controls it's a lot easier to buy a silencer in the UK and other European countries than in the US due to having never been painted with the brush of criminality.
29th Aug '14 2:05:26 PM Jake
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Revolvers are problematic: normal revolvers don't form a gas seal between the cylinder and barrel; while some revolvers exist that have the seal, such as the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895 Nagant M1895]], they are a very tiny minority. Hollywood tends to ignore this. Shotguns are just about possible to silence by using slugs or shotshells with plastic shot cups to protect the inside of the device; conventional shotshells would wreck a silencer in short order. The resulting silencer would tend to be so enormous as to render the weapon impractical for any conceivable use, however.

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Revolvers are problematic: normal revolvers don't form a gas seal between the cylinder and barrel; while some revolvers exist that have the seal, such as the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895 Nagant M1895]], they are a very tiny minority. Hollywood tends to ignore this.

Shotguns are just about possible to silence by using slugs or shotshells with plastic shot cups to protect the inside of the device; conventional shotshells would wreck a silencer in short order. The resulting silencer would tend Their primary use is to be so enormous as to render eliminate the weapon impractical need for any conceivable use, however.
ear protection, meaning you can preserve your situational awareness while hunting without risking long-term hearing damage.
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