History UsefulNotes / SaudiArabia

29th Jun '16 12:38:23 PM Chytus
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-->''"[[DeadlyDecadentCourt The Al-Saud]] believe they have an asset [[TheTheocracy more powerful than the ballot box:]] they have [[UsefulNotes/{{Islam}} Allah.]]"''

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-->''"[[DeadlyDecadentCourt The Al-Saud]] -->''"The Al-Saud believe they have an asset [[TheTheocracy more powerful than the ballot box:]] box: they have [[UsefulNotes/{{Islam}} Allah.]]"''"''



The country is an absolute monarchy, founded by UsefulNotes/AbdulAzizIbnSaud at the end of WorldWarI, who wanted to unite all the vast land around the ancestral home of his family, which had been something of the historical pastime of his dynasty like the English Kings [[UsefulNotes/TheHundredYearsWar tried to conquer France and Scotland.]] But like them, it wouldn't have been a pastime if they got it over and done with. What most people don't know is that the Saudi Arabia that exists today is actually the *third* dynastic Saud state to hold sway, and the middle of the road in terms of size. But every time the Sauds would start to get powerful, the surrounding forces would combine to smack them down.

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The country is an absolute monarchy, founded by UsefulNotes/AbdulAzizIbnSaud at the end of WorldWarI, UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, who wanted to unite all the vast land around the ancestral home of his family, which had been something of the historical pastime of his dynasty like the English Kings [[UsefulNotes/TheHundredYearsWar tried to conquer France and Scotland.]] But like them, it wouldn't have been a pastime if they got it over and done with. What most people don't know is that the Saudi Arabia that exists today is actually the *third* dynastic Saud state to hold sway, and the middle of the road in terms of size. But every time the Sauds would start to get powerful, the surrounding forces would combine to smack them down.



So all of these powers decided to [[EnemyMine set aside their differences]] and go after the Saudis. The main heavy lifter was to be Egypt's newly instated Muhummad Ali and his equally new Westernized army. He promptly [[CurbstompBattle invaded Arabia and killed every Saudi he could while the British put down the pirates]], leaving the leaders of the Saud on Ottoman execution blocks and the survivors to flee into the desert to lick their wounds.

A few years later they came back and bounced the Egyptians out to establish a far smaller but still powerful emirate. It held sway for several decades but never managed to obtain the world fearing scope of the first. However, a combination of Tribal Politics, a DeadlyDecadentCourt, and new arch-enemies in the form of the Rashidi clan eventually toppled the Sauds and forced them to [[TheExile flee to Kuwait]], whose leader welcomed him in.

A few years later, UsefulNotes/AbdulAzizIbnSaud led a war party that retook Riyadh, reopening the war for Arabian supremacy and starting the modern Saudi State. You can read more about the process in his page, but over the next several years of byzantine politics and both victories and defeats he was able to steadily consolidate his power until WorldWarOne broke out. Then, the Saud- like other anti-Turkish Arab rebels- made [[SummonBiggerFish a deal with the Western Allies]] who distracted and eventually destroyed the Turkish Empire, while the Saud used the opportunity to polish off all other rivals ([[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness including the Ikhwan]]) to dominate what is now Saudi Arabia.

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So all of these powers decided to [[EnemyMine set aside their differences]] and go after the Saudis. The main heavy lifter was to be Egypt's newly instated Muhummad Ali and his equally new Westernized army. He promptly [[CurbstompBattle [[CurbStompBattle invaded Arabia and killed every Saudi he could while the British put down the pirates]], leaving the leaders of the Saud on Ottoman execution blocks and the survivors to flee into the desert to lick their wounds.

A few years later they came back and bounced the Egyptians out to establish a far smaller but still powerful emirate. It held sway for several decades but never managed to obtain the world fearing scope of the first. However, a combination of Tribal Politics, a DeadlyDecadentCourt, DecadentCourt, and new arch-enemies in the form of the Rashidi clan eventually toppled the Sauds and forced them to [[TheExile flee to Kuwait]], whose leader welcomed him in.

A few years later, UsefulNotes/AbdulAzizIbnSaud led a war party that retook Riyadh, reopening the war for Arabian supremacy and starting the modern Saudi State. You can read more about the process in his page, but over the next several years of byzantine politics and both victories and defeats he was able to steadily consolidate his power until WorldWarOne UsefulNotes/WorldWarI broke out. Then, the Saud- like other anti-Turkish Arab rebels- made [[SummonBiggerFish a deal with the Western Allies]] who distracted and eventually destroyed the Turkish Empire, while the Saud used the opportunity to polish off all other rivals ([[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness including the Ikhwan]]) to dominate what is now Saudi Arabia.



Saudi Arabia has a long history of being an ally of the West, starting when the BritishEmpire provided muscle to the Al-Saud in their struggles against their Turkish-backed Rashidi rivals and continuing well after America took over for Britain. They tend to spend time buying military equipment from them and allowing them to use the country as a launching platform for Operation Desert Storm against Iraq. However, this relationship has always been an uneasy one. The first significant interaction between the Saudi dynasty and the West was when the former sponsored pirates in the 18th/early 19th century that attacked British shipping, they didn't support America in the most recent invasion of Iraq, and they took domestic flak for supporting the first invasion. On top of this the country as a whole has a reputation as a terrorist cultivator, not the least of which because OsamaBinLaden was a Saudi national.

Popularly, Saudis are seen as extremely conservative and devoutly religious, sometimes [[TheFundamentalist to the point of fanaticism]]. The country is well known for its [[ArabOilSheikh massive oil reserves]] and sparse desert, being something of a {{Qurac}} in fiction. Because of its historical significance as the homeland of the Arabs, including several nomadic tribes (such as the famous [[BedouinRescueService Bedouin people]]), Saudis are sometimes seen as {{Proud Warrior Race Guy}}s. The Saudi state backs the Palestinians in the ArabIsraeliConflict; for this reason, it does not recognize Israel.[[note]]In the wake of the Iranian nuclear program, Saudi Arabia had [[EnemyMine found themselves allying with Israel as means of stopping]] UsefulNotes/{{Iran}}. Israel sees the Iranian government as a existential threat to its very existence and an unwanted rival for its previously unchallenged position as the region's only nuclear state. The Saudis and a lot of Sunni Arab states- especially the GCC- regard expansion by the Revolutionary Shiite Iranian government as a threat to the conservative Sunni hegemony in the Gulf and broadly the Muslim world. Both view its Shiite radicalism as an alien threat to their respective religions and its support of organizations like Hezbollah, Houthis, sectarian Shi'a militia, and al-Maliki in Iraq as disruptive to the region.[[/note]] Reports of [[AcceptableEthnicTargets anti-Semitic propaganda]] being widely distributed by official channels and taught in schools have led to complaints on several occasions.

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Saudi Arabia has a long history of being an ally of the West, starting when the BritishEmpire UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire provided muscle to the Al-Saud in their struggles against their Turkish-backed Rashidi rivals and continuing well after America took over for Britain. They tend to spend time buying military equipment from them and allowing them to use the country as a launching platform for Operation Desert Storm against Iraq. However, this relationship has always been an uneasy one. The first significant interaction between the Saudi dynasty and the West was when the former sponsored pirates in the 18th/early 19th century that attacked British shipping, they didn't support America in the most recent invasion of Iraq, and they took domestic flak for supporting the first invasion. On top of this the country as a whole has a reputation as a terrorist cultivator, not the least of which because OsamaBinLaden UsefulNotes/OsamaBinLaden was a Saudi national.

Popularly, Saudis are seen as extremely conservative and devoutly religious, sometimes [[TheFundamentalist to the point of fanaticism]]. The country is well known for its [[ArabOilSheikh massive oil reserves]] and sparse desert, being something of a {{Qurac}} in fiction. Because of its historical significance as the homeland of the Arabs, including several nomadic tribes (such as the famous [[BedouinRescueService Bedouin people]]), Saudis are sometimes seen as {{Proud Warrior Race Guy}}s. The Saudi state backs the Palestinians in the ArabIsraeliConflict; UsefulNotes/ArabIsraeliConflict; for this reason, it does not recognize Israel.[[note]]In the wake of the Iranian nuclear program, Saudi Arabia had [[EnemyMine found themselves allying with Israel as means of stopping]] UsefulNotes/{{Iran}}. Israel sees the Iranian government as a existential threat to its very existence and an unwanted rival for its previously unchallenged position as the region's only nuclear state. The Saudis and a lot of Sunni Arab states- especially the GCC- regard expansion by the Revolutionary Shiite Iranian government as a threat to the conservative Sunni hegemony in the Gulf and broadly the Muslim world. Both view its Shiite radicalism as an alien threat to their respective religions and its support of organizations like Hezbollah, Houthis, sectarian Shi'a militia, and al-Maliki in Iraq as disruptive to the region.[[/note]] Reports of [[AcceptableEthnicTargets anti-Semitic propaganda]] being widely distributed by official channels and taught in schools have led to complaints on several occasions.
10th Nov '15 10:49:50 AM amateur55
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->The field is colored green, the traditional color of Islam; at the center is the ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahada shahada]]'', the Muslim creed of faith, which reads: "''La 'ilaha 'illa-llah Muḥammadun rasulu-llah''" ("There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is His Messenger"); and below the ''shahada'' is a scimitar symbolizing the House of Saud, ruler of the country since its creation.

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->The field is colored green, the traditional color of Islam; at the center is the ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahada shahada]]'', the Muslim creed of faith, which reads: "''La 'ilaha 'illa-llah Muḥammadun rasulu-llah''" ("There is no God god but Allah, God, and Muhammad is His Messenger"); and below the ''shahada'' is a scimitar symbolizing the House of Saud, ruler of the country since its creation.
5th Nov '15 10:19:33 AM nombretomado
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Saudi Arabia, officially known as the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia ('''''Arabic:''' المملكة العربية السعودية; Al-Mamlakah al-‘Arabiyyah as-Su‘ūdiyyah''), is the country of the Islamic holy sites. Also, the sacred homeland of {{the Prophet Muhammad}} and the birthplace of Islam. Home of two of the world's world's biggest tourist meccas... Mecca (now you know how the word came into English) and Medina.

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Saudi Arabia, officially known as the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia ('''''Arabic:''' المملكة العربية السعودية; Al-Mamlakah al-‘Arabiyyah as-Su‘ūdiyyah''), is the country of the Islamic holy sites. Also, the sacred homeland of {{the UsefulNotes/{{the Prophet Muhammad}} and the birthplace of Islam. Home of two of the world's world's biggest tourist meccas... Mecca (now you know how the word came into English) and Medina.
12th Sep '15 4:33:54 PM JCTullos
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Popularly, Saudis are seen as extremely conservative and devoutly religious, sometimes [[TheFundamentalist to the point of fanaticism]]. The country is well known for its [[ArabOilSheikh massive oil reserves]] and sparse desert, being something of a {{Qurac}} in fiction. Because of its historical significance as the homeland of the Arabs, including several nomadic tribes (such as the famous [[BedouinRescueService Bedouin people]]), Saudis are sometimes seen as {{Proud Warrior Race Guy}}s. The Saudi state backs the Palestinians in the ArabIsraeliConflict; for this reason, it does not recognize Israel.[[note]]In the wake of the Iranian nuclear program, Saudi Arabia had [[EnemyMine found themselves allying with Israel as means of stopping]] UsefulNotes/{{Iran}}. Israel sees the Iranian government as a existential threat to its very existence and an unwanted rival for its previously unchallenged position as the region's only nuclear state. The Saudis and a lot of Sunni Arab states- especially the GCC- regard expansion by the Revolutionary Shiite Iranian government as a threat to the conservative Sunni hegemony in the Gulf and broadly the Muslim world. Both view its Shiite radicalism as an alien threat to their respective religions and its support of organizations like Hezbollah, Houthis, sectarian Shi'a militia, and al-Maliki in Iraq as disruptive to the region.[[/note]] Reports of [[AcceptableEthnicTargets anti-Semitic propaganda]] being widely distributed by official channels and taught in schools have led to complaints on several occasions. These reports are often fallacious, and simply include valid criticisms of Israel and the Zionist movement in general.

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Popularly, Saudis are seen as extremely conservative and devoutly religious, sometimes [[TheFundamentalist to the point of fanaticism]]. The country is well known for its [[ArabOilSheikh massive oil reserves]] and sparse desert, being something of a {{Qurac}} in fiction. Because of its historical significance as the homeland of the Arabs, including several nomadic tribes (such as the famous [[BedouinRescueService Bedouin people]]), Saudis are sometimes seen as {{Proud Warrior Race Guy}}s. The Saudi state backs the Palestinians in the ArabIsraeliConflict; for this reason, it does not recognize Israel.[[note]]In the wake of the Iranian nuclear program, Saudi Arabia had [[EnemyMine found themselves allying with Israel as means of stopping]] UsefulNotes/{{Iran}}. Israel sees the Iranian government as a existential threat to its very existence and an unwanted rival for its previously unchallenged position as the region's only nuclear state. The Saudis and a lot of Sunni Arab states- especially the GCC- regard expansion by the Revolutionary Shiite Iranian government as a threat to the conservative Sunni hegemony in the Gulf and broadly the Muslim world. Both view its Shiite radicalism as an alien threat to their respective religions and its support of organizations like Hezbollah, Houthis, sectarian Shi'a militia, and al-Maliki in Iraq as disruptive to the region.[[/note]] Reports of [[AcceptableEthnicTargets anti-Semitic propaganda]] being widely distributed by official channels and taught in schools have led to complaints on several occasions. These reports are often fallacious, and simply include valid criticisms of Israel and the Zionist movement in general.\n
4th Sep '15 12:23:48 PM ElBuenCuate
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The country is an absolute monarchy, founded by UsefulNotes/AbdulAzizIbnSaud at the end of WorldWarI, who wanted to unite all the vast land around the ancestral home of his family, which had been something of the historical pastime of his dynasty like the English Kings [[UsefulNotes/TheHundredYearsWar tried to conquer France and Scoland.]] But like them, it wouldn't have been a pastime if they got it over and done with. What most people don't know is that the Saudi Arabia that exists today is actually the *third* dynastic Saud state to hold sway, and the middle of the road in terms of size. But every time the Sauds would start to get powerful, the surrounding forces would combine to smack them down.

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The country is an absolute monarchy, founded by UsefulNotes/AbdulAzizIbnSaud at the end of WorldWarI, who wanted to unite all the vast land around the ancestral home of his family, which had been something of the historical pastime of his dynasty like the English Kings [[UsefulNotes/TheHundredYearsWar tried to conquer France and Scoland.Scotland.]] But like them, it wouldn't have been a pastime if they got it over and done with. What most people don't know is that the Saudi Arabia that exists today is actually the *third* dynastic Saud state to hold sway, and the middle of the road in terms of size. But every time the Sauds would start to get powerful, the surrounding forces would combine to smack them down.
13th Aug '15 4:54:20 PM proudeagle
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* The character Pullum Purna from ''VideoGame/StreetFighterEX'' is an example of a Saudi character. Although, she's a walking cliché and sports an outfit that has absolutely nothing to do with modern Arab culture. In fact, any woman wandering around Riyadh in Pullum's revealing, harem-style outfit would be arrested on the spot.

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* The character Pullum Purna from ''VideoGame/StreetFighterEX'' is an example of a Saudi character. Although, she's a walking cliché and sports an outfit that has absolutely nothing to do with modern Arab culture. In fact, any woman wandering around Riyadh in Pullum's revealing, harem-style outfit would be arrested on the spot.
13th Aug '15 4:51:29 PM proudeagle
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Popularly, Saudis are seen as extremely conservative and devoutly religious, sometimes [[TheFundamentalist to the point of fanaticism]]. The country is well known for its [[ArabOilSheikh massive oil reserves]] and sparse desert, being something of a {{Qurac}} in fiction. Because of its historical significance as the homeland of the Arabs, including several nomadic tribes (such as the famous [[BedouinRescueService Bedouin people]]), Saudis are sometimes seen as {{Proud Warrior Race Guy}}s. The Saudi state backs the Palestinians in the ArabIsraeliConflict; for this reason, it does not recognize Israel.[[note]]In the wake of the Iranian nuclear program, Saudi Arabia had [[EnemyMine found themselves allying with Israel as means of stopping]] UsefulNotes/{{Iran}}. Israel sees the Iranian government as a existential threat to its very existence and an unwanted rival for its previously unchallenged position as the region's only nuclear state. The Saudis and a lot of Sunni Arab states- especially the GCC- regard expansion by the Revolutionary Shiite Iranian government as a threat to the conservative Sunni hegemony in the Gulf and broadly the Muslim world. Both view its Shiite radicalism as an alien threat to their respective religions and its support of organizations like Hezbollah, Houthis, sectarian Shi'a militia, and al-Maliki in Iraq as disruptive to the region.[[/note]] Reports of [[AcceptableEthnicTargets anti-Semitic propaganda]] being widely distributed by official channels and taught in schools have led to complaints on several occasions, and bring us to the next subject.

As mentioned above, the Saudi Arabian state owes its origins to a sort of pact between the Saudi dynasty and the followers of Wahhab's philosophy, the Wahhabis, some of the first "modern" radical Islamists. This pact has waxed and waned over the years and Abdul Aziz outright purged the Wahhabist Ikhwan when he consolidated his power, but both sides have an integral part in each others' society. At present there exists a sort of compromise: the Saud rule, obtain homage from everyone else, and dictate overall policy and external relations in a relatively pragmatic and secular way. In turn, they leave domestic policy -including schooling and day to day life- to the far more radical Wahhabists as long as they don't upset royal control; hence the anti-Semetic curriculum. This arrangement has been fraught with problems before, to the point where many Islamists (including Bin Laden) hate/d the Saud as decadent hedonists and [[TheQuisling sellouts to the West]], but the common ground both share and Saudi power has been able to keep most problems down.

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Popularly, Saudis are seen as extremely conservative and devoutly religious, sometimes [[TheFundamentalist to the point of fanaticism]]. The country is well known for its [[ArabOilSheikh massive oil reserves]] and sparse desert, being something of a {{Qurac}} in fiction. Because of its historical significance as the homeland of the Arabs, including several nomadic tribes (such as the famous [[BedouinRescueService Bedouin people]]), Saudis are sometimes seen as {{Proud Warrior Race Guy}}s. The Saudi state backs the Palestinians in the ArabIsraeliConflict; for this reason, it does not recognize Israel.[[note]]In the wake of the Iranian nuclear program, Saudi Arabia had [[EnemyMine found themselves allying with Israel as means of stopping]] UsefulNotes/{{Iran}}. Israel sees the Iranian government as a existential threat to its very existence and an unwanted rival for its previously unchallenged position as the region's only nuclear state. The Saudis and a lot of Sunni Arab states- especially the GCC- regard expansion by the Revolutionary Shiite Iranian government as a threat to the conservative Sunni hegemony in the Gulf and broadly the Muslim world. Both view its Shiite radicalism as an alien threat to their respective religions and its support of organizations like Hezbollah, Houthis, sectarian Shi'a militia, and al-Maliki in Iraq as disruptive to the region.[[/note]] Reports of [[AcceptableEthnicTargets anti-Semitic propaganda]] being widely distributed by official channels and taught in schools have led to complaints on several occasions, occasions. These reports are often fallacious, and bring us to the next subject.

As mentioned above, the Saudi Arabian state owes its origins to a sort
simply include valid criticisms of pact between the Saudi dynasty Israel and the followers of Wahhab's philosophy, the Wahhabis, some of the first "modern" radical Islamists. This pact has waxed and waned over the years and Abdul Aziz outright purged the Wahhabist Ikhwan when he consolidated his power, but both sides have an integral part Zionist movement in each others' society. At present there exists a sort of compromise: the Saud rule, obtain homage from everyone else, and dictate overall policy and external relations in a relatively pragmatic and secular way. In turn, they leave domestic policy -including schooling and day to day life- to the far more radical Wahhabists as long as they don't upset royal control; hence the anti-Semetic curriculum. This arrangement has been fraught with problems before, to the point where many Islamists (including Bin Laden) hate/d the Saud as decadent hedonists and [[TheQuisling sellouts to the West]], but the common ground both share and Saudi power has been able to keep most problems down.
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22nd May '15 11:14:42 AM ShinyTsukkomi
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The country is an absolute monarchy, founded by UsefulNotes/AbdulAzizIbnSaud at the end of WorldWarI, who wanted to unite all the vast land around the ancestral home of his family, which had been something of the historical pastime of his dynasty like the English Kings [[HundredYearsWar tried to conquer France and Scoland.]] But like them, it wouldn't have been a pastime if they got it over and done with. What most people don't know is that the Saudi Arabia that exists today is actually the *third* dynastic Saud state to hold sway, and the middle of the road in terms of size. But every time the Sauds would start to get powerful, the surrounding forces would combine to smack them down.

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The country is an absolute monarchy, founded by UsefulNotes/AbdulAzizIbnSaud at the end of WorldWarI, who wanted to unite all the vast land around the ancestral home of his family, which had been something of the historical pastime of his dynasty like the English Kings [[HundredYearsWar [[UsefulNotes/TheHundredYearsWar tried to conquer France and Scoland.]] But like them, it wouldn't have been a pastime if they got it over and done with. What most people don't know is that the Saudi Arabia that exists today is actually the *third* dynastic Saud state to hold sway, and the middle of the road in terms of size. But every time the Sauds would start to get powerful, the surrounding forces would combine to smack them down.
3rd May '15 1:12:27 AM KYCubbie
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And because succession defacto goes from older brother to younger brother and *then* father to son, [[LongRunner the throne is still being passed to his various sons today.]] With the passage of time, however, there has been a lot of bickering among members the royal family. Most of that has cooled down with time, too, but given the old age of Ibn Saud's surviving children and grandchildren there is a SuccessionCrisis everybody can see coming in the near future. Expect more squabbles in the next decade or two.

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And because succession defacto goes has de facto gone from older brother to younger brother and *then* father to son, [[LongRunner the throne is still being passed to his various sons today.]] With the passage of time, however, there has been a lot of bickering among members of the royal family. Most of that has cooled down with time, too, but given the old age of Ibn Saud's surviving children and grandchildren there is a SuccessionCrisis everybody can see coming in the near future. Expect more squabbles in the next decade or two.
two. The latest change to the succession came in April 2015, when Ibn Saud's youngest surviving son, Muqrin, was removed as Crown Prince in favor of one of the grandsons, Muhammad bin Nayef.
23rd Jan '15 5:58:48 AM Smeagol17
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The Saudi family's rise to royal might in the 18th when the leader of a relatively small clan with big dreams made a savvy alliance with religious philosopher, [[TheFundamentalist Wahhab.]] The patriarch of the Saudi dynasty gave Wahhab political protection and armed muscle, and in term Wahhab offered him legitimacy and the the [[ChurchMilitant Ikhwan, or "Brotherhood]]", a group of Wahhab's militant followers driven by his fiery preaching and radical philosophy.

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The Saudi family's rise rose to royal might in the 18th when the leader of a relatively small clan with big dreams made a savvy alliance with religious philosopher, [[TheFundamentalist Wahhab.]] The patriarch of the Saudi dynasty gave Wahhab political protection and armed muscle, and in term Wahhab offered him legitimacy and the the [[ChurchMilitant Ikhwan, or "Brotherhood]]", a group of Wahhab's militant followers driven by his fiery preaching and radical philosophy.
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