History UsefulNotes / Romani

15th Jul '17 9:06:07 PM Skagit
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* Legendary actor Creator/CharlieChaplin was of Romani descent on his mother's side.
* Eighties musical icon Adam Ant (also known as the leader of Adam & the Ants) is at least partially of Romany extraction.

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* In England they are known as Romanichals
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Legendary actor Creator/CharlieChaplin was of Romani Romanichal descent on his mother's side.
* ** Continuing in the tradition of guitar virtuosos is Creator/RobertPlant, who like Chaplin is Romanichal on his mother's side.
** Some scholars believe Puritan preacher and Literature/PilgrimsProgress author John Bunyan was Roma, if so would make him an early Romanichal.
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Eighties musical icon Adam Ant (also known as the leader of Adam & the Ants) is at least partially of Romany Romanichal extraction.
8th Jul '17 10:28:16 PM Skagit
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In addition to perpetuating stereotypes about the Romani, the media are largely blasé about slurs against them, using insulting terms like "gyppo" without much concern; and to some Romani, the word "gypsy" itself is an offensive slur, though (see paragraph above) there is evidence that British Romani actually encouraged the term, as a supposed Egyptian origin gave their fortune telling schtick more credibility - the same goes for the German word for gypsy, "Zigeuner". It is considered in today's days unacceptable and "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinti Sinti]] und Roma" (technically, the Sinti are a subgroup of the Roma - which is just another word for Romani - but the Sinti do not use the term for themselves and speak a different dialect of the Romani language) is used instead. Apparently the Romani are still AcceptableEthnicTargets -- another holdover from [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiziganism previous]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porajmos centuries]] when the Romani were one of the Western world's {{Butt Monkey}}s. Between half a million and 1.5 million Romani were [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust killed by SS Einsatzgruppen and in SS concentration, death-through-work, and extermination camps]] during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. [[note]] It's hard to get definite numbers, because Romani were often shot on sight by the death squads, instead of bothering to capture and ship them to camps. [[/note]] Creator/JRRTolkein noted that Nazi persecution of Romani was rather ironic considering they are direct descendants of the historical Aryans (i.e. the Indo-European settlers of ancient India).

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In addition to perpetuating stereotypes about the Romani, the media are largely blasé about slurs against them, using insulting terms like "gyppo" without much concern; and to some Romani, the word "gypsy" itself is an offensive slur, though (see paragraph above) there is evidence that British Romani actually encouraged the term, as a supposed Egyptian origin gave their fortune telling schtick more credibility - the same goes for the German word for gypsy, "Zigeuner". It is considered in today's days unacceptable and "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinti Sinti]] und Roma" (technically, the Sinti are a subgroup of the Roma - which is just another word for Romani - but the Sinti do not use the term for themselves and speak a different dialect of the Romani language) is used instead. Apparently the Romani are still AcceptableEthnicTargets -- another holdover from [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiziganism previous]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porajmos centuries]] when the Romani were one of the Western world's {{Butt Monkey}}s. Between half a million and 1.5 million Romani were [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust killed by SS Einsatzgruppen and in SS concentration, death-through-work, and extermination camps]] during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. [[note]] It's hard to get definite numbers, because Romani were often shot on sight by the death squads, instead of bothering to capture and ship them to camps. [[/note]] Creator/JRRTolkein Creator/JRRTolkien noted that Nazi persecution of Romani was rather ironic considering they are direct descendants of the historical Aryans (i.e. the Indo-European settlers of ancient India).
8th Jul '17 10:22:30 PM Skagit
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First, gypsies are usually shown as dishonest: thieves, pickpockets, [[ConArtist con artists]], trespassers, and {{tricksters}} who wouldn't think twice about taking everything you own that isn't nailed down, and a few things that are. The danger of children being kidnapped by gypsies was a common old wives' tale. The stereotype for dishonesty may or may not be where the term "gypped" probably comes from.[[note]]The origin of "gypped" is not really known. One reason to doubt this explanation is that the term seems to have originated in the United States, which has few to no Gypsies (although it does have one of the largest Romani populations if not the largest, in the world).[[/note]]

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First, gypsies are usually shown as dishonest: thieves, pickpockets, [[ConArtist con artists]], trespassers, and {{tricksters}} who wouldn't think twice about taking everything you own that isn't nailed down, and a few things that are. The danger of children being kidnapped by gypsies was a common old wives' tale. The stereotype for dishonesty may or may not be where the term "gypped" probably comes from.[[note]]The origin of "gypped" is not really known. One reason to doubt this explanation is that the term seems to have originated in the United States, which has few to no Gypsies (although it does have one of the largest Romani populations if not the largest, in the world).[[/note]]
[[/note]] In Europe there are a number of Romani criminal organizations, both street gangs and mafias, but they are no more representative of all Romani than [[TheMafia Cosa Nostra]] is of all Italians.



In addition to perpetuating stereotypes about the Romani, the media are largely blasé about slurs against them, using insulting terms like "gyppo" without much concern; and to some Romani, the word "gypsy" itself is an offensive slur, though (see paragraph above) there is evidence that British Romani actually encouraged the term, as a supposed Egyptian origin gave their fortune telling schtick more credibility - the same goes for the German word for gypsy, "Zigeuner". It is considered in today's days unacceptable and "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinti Sinti]] und Roma" (technically, the Sinti are a subgroup of the Roma - which is just another word for Romani - but the Sinti do not use the term for themselves and speak a different dialect of the Romani language) is used instead. Apparently the Romani are still AcceptableEthnicTargets -- another holdover from [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiziganism previous]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porajmos centuries]] when the Romani were one of the Western world's {{Butt Monkey}}s. Between half a million and 1.5 million Romani were [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust killed by SS Einsatzgruppen and in SS concentration, death-through-work, and extermination camps]] during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. [[note]] It's hard to get definite numbers, because Romani were often shot on sight by the death squads, instead of bothering to capture and ship them to camps. [[/note]]

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In addition to perpetuating stereotypes about the Romani, the media are largely blasé about slurs against them, using insulting terms like "gyppo" without much concern; and to some Romani, the word "gypsy" itself is an offensive slur, though (see paragraph above) there is evidence that British Romani actually encouraged the term, as a supposed Egyptian origin gave their fortune telling schtick more credibility - the same goes for the German word for gypsy, "Zigeuner". It is considered in today's days unacceptable and "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinti Sinti]] und Roma" (technically, the Sinti are a subgroup of the Roma - which is just another word for Romani - but the Sinti do not use the term for themselves and speak a different dialect of the Romani language) is used instead. Apparently the Romani are still AcceptableEthnicTargets -- another holdover from [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiziganism previous]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porajmos centuries]] when the Romani were one of the Western world's {{Butt Monkey}}s. Between half a million and 1.5 million Romani were [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust killed by SS Einsatzgruppen and in SS concentration, death-through-work, and extermination camps]] during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. [[note]] It's hard to get definite numbers, because Romani were often shot on sight by the death squads, instead of bothering to capture and ship them to camps. [[/note]]
[[/note]] Creator/JRRTolkein noted that Nazi persecution of Romani was rather ironic considering they are direct descendants of the historical Aryans (i.e. the Indo-European settlers of ancient India).



There is no significant relation (ethnic or etymological) to the Romans or the Romanians. Sometimes the two are confused, which is probably because the "â" used in the native name for Romania gets lost in the English translation.[[note]]And just to confuse things further, Romania has a large Romani minority.[[/note]] There is also no connection between the Romani and UsefulNotes/IrishTravellers beyond a historical reputation for a nomadic lifestyle.

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Despite generally avoiding assimilation in most ways, Romani do generally follow whatever faith is dominant where they live. Originally they were Hindu, few practice it today but some trace elements survive syncretically. In Western Europe they are mostly Catholic, in Eastern Europe they are usually Orthodox, in the Middle East primarily Muslim, and in the Balkans they are divided between Islam and Orthodoxy. A growing Pentecostal movement is also found in Roma communities in the United States and Spain. The Patron Saint of Christian Romani is St. Sarah, also known as Sara-la-Kali. She hasn't been formally canonized by any church and many anthropoligists believe she is a [[HijackedByJesus Christianized]] version of the Hindu goddess Kali.

There is no significant relation (ethnic or etymological) to the Romans or the Romanians. Sometimes the two are confused, which is probably because the "â" used in the native name for Romania gets lost in the English translation.[[note]]And just to confuse things further, Romania has a large Romani minority.[[/note]] There is also no connection between the Romani and UsefulNotes/IrishTravellers beyond a historical reputation for a nomadic lifestyle.
lifestyle and skill at boxing.
9th Jun '17 3:04:44 PM nombretomado
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* Gypsy of the WhateleyUniverse. That's the codename she chose. But she's Romni who owns ancestral Tarot deck. However, she is shy (at first), honest, and has mutant powers. She cures the shyness with a literal DealWithTheDevil.

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* Gypsy of the WhateleyUniverse.Literature/WhateleyUniverse. That's the codename she chose. But she's Romni who owns ancestral Tarot deck. However, she is shy (at first), honest, and has mutant powers. She cures the shyness with a literal DealWithTheDevil.
31st May '17 10:06:36 AM VioletVisions
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In addition to perpetuating stereotypes about the Romani, the media are largely blasé about slurs against them, using insulting terms like "gyppo" without much concern; and to some Romani, the word "gypsy" itself is an offensive slur, though (see paragraph above) there is evidence that British Romani actually encouraged the term, as a supposed Egyptian origin gave their fortune telling schtick more credibility - the same goes for the German word for gypsy, "Zigeuner". It is considered in today's days unacceptable and "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinti Sinti]] und Roma" (technically, the Sinti are a subgroup of the Roma - which is just another word for Romani - but the Sinti do not use the term for themselves and speak a different dialect of the Romani language) is used instead. Apparently the Romani are still AcceptableEthnicTargets -- another holdover from [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiziganism previous]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porajmos centuries]] when the Romani were one of the Western world's {{Butt Monkey}}s. Some half a million Romani were [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust killed by SS Einsatzgruppen and in SS concentration, death-through-work, and extermination camps]] during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.

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In addition to perpetuating stereotypes about the Romani, the media are largely blasé about slurs against them, using insulting terms like "gyppo" without much concern; and to some Romani, the word "gypsy" itself is an offensive slur, though (see paragraph above) there is evidence that British Romani actually encouraged the term, as a supposed Egyptian origin gave their fortune telling schtick more credibility - the same goes for the German word for gypsy, "Zigeuner". It is considered in today's days unacceptable and "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinti Sinti]] und Roma" (technically, the Sinti are a subgroup of the Roma - which is just another word for Romani - but the Sinti do not use the term for themselves and speak a different dialect of the Romani language) is used instead. Apparently the Romani are still AcceptableEthnicTargets -- another holdover from [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiziganism previous]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porajmos centuries]] when the Romani were one of the Western world's {{Butt Monkey}}s. Some Between half a million and 1.5 million Romani were [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust killed by SS Einsatzgruppen and in SS concentration, death-through-work, and extermination camps]] during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.
UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. [[note]] It's hard to get definite numbers, because Romani were often shot on sight by the death squads, instead of bothering to capture and ship them to camps. [[/note]]
31st May '17 10:03:08 AM VioletVisions
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In addition to perpetuating stereotypes about the Romani, the media are largely blasé about slurs against them, using insulting terms like "gyppo" without much concern; and to some Romani, the word "gypsy" itself is an offensive slur, though (see paragraph above) there is evidence that British Romani actually encouraged the term, as a supposed Egyptian origin gave their fortune telling schtick more credibility - the same goes for the German word for gypsy, "Zigeuner". It is considered in today's days unacceptable and "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinti Sinti]] und Roma" (which is sort of redundant, since the former are a subgroup of the latter) is used instead. Apparently the Romani are still AcceptableEthnicTargets -- another holdover from [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiziganism previous]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porajmos centuries]] when the Romani were one of the Western world's {{Butt Monkey}}s. Some half a million Romani were [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust killed by SS Einsatzgruppen and in SS concentration, death-through-work, and extermination camps]] during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.

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In addition to perpetuating stereotypes about the Romani, the media are largely blasé about slurs against them, using insulting terms like "gyppo" without much concern; and to some Romani, the word "gypsy" itself is an offensive slur, though (see paragraph above) there is evidence that British Romani actually encouraged the term, as a supposed Egyptian origin gave their fortune telling schtick more credibility - the same goes for the German word for gypsy, "Zigeuner". It is considered in today's days unacceptable and "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinti Sinti]] und Roma" (which is sort of redundant, since (technically, the former Sinti are a subgroup of the latter) Roma - which is just another word for Romani - but the Sinti do not use the term for themselves and speak a different dialect of the Romani language) is used instead. Apparently the Romani are still AcceptableEthnicTargets -- another holdover from [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiziganism previous]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porajmos centuries]] when the Romani were one of the Western world's {{Butt Monkey}}s. Some half a million Romani were [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust killed by SS Einsatzgruppen and in SS concentration, death-through-work, and extermination camps]] during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.
27th May '17 5:25:01 PM nombretomado
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* ''{{Viz}}'' attracted a number of complaints over a comic strip titled "The Thieving Gypsy Bastards", about a family of gypsies (who look like stereotypical Romani but have an Irish name, suggesting they were intended to be UsefulNotes/IrishTravellers) who move into a middle-class area and steal and vandalise everything in sight. The next issue contained a cut-out apology to all Romani and travellers, subtitled "what every gypsy's been waiting for!"

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* ''{{Viz}}'' ''ComicBook/{{Viz}}'' attracted a number of complaints over a comic strip titled "The Thieving Gypsy Bastards", about a family of gypsies (who look like stereotypical Romani but have an Irish name, suggesting they were intended to be UsefulNotes/IrishTravellers) who move into a middle-class area and steal and vandalise everything in sight. The next issue contained a cut-out apology to all Romani and travellers, subtitled "what every gypsy's been waiting for!"
20th May '17 1:04:47 PM darkemyst
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** ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} was revealed to be Romani during the Devin Grayson run. ''ComicBook/Grayson'' confirms it's still canon as of the New 52.

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** ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} was revealed to be Romani during the Devin Grayson run. ''ComicBook/Grayson'' ''Comicbook/{{Grayson}}'' confirms it's still canon as of the New 52.
23rd Apr '17 12:28:14 AM PaulA
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* The CanonForeigner Camilla in the anime version of ''Literature/TheSecretGarden'' is implied to be Roma, but the word itself isn't said. She ''does'' have the archetypal looks/wardrobe and the OP shows her looking into a crystal ball, but she's more a mix of CoolBigSis and BrokenBird. [[spoiler: And 100% {{Woobie}}]]

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* The CanonForeigner Camilla in the anime version of ''Literature/TheSecretGarden'' ''Anime/TheSecretGarden'' is implied to be Roma, but the word itself isn't said. She ''does'' have the archetypal looks/wardrobe and the OP shows her looking into a crystal ball, but she's more a mix of CoolBigSis and BrokenBird. [[spoiler: And 100% {{Woobie}}]]
17th Mar '17 12:12:33 PM erforce
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* Koudelka Iasant of the ''VideoGame/ShadowHearts'' franchise, primarily her self-titled prequel game, but she figures into the latter games, too [[spoiler:by being the source of Yuri's mysterious voice which guides him around, as well as being Halley's mother.]]

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* Koudelka Iasant of the ''VideoGame/ShadowHearts'' franchise, primarily her [[VideoGame/{{Koudelka}} self-titled prequel game, game]], but she figures into the latter games, too [[spoiler:by being the source of Yuri's mysterious voice which guides him around, as well as being Halley's mother.]]
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