History UsefulNotes / Romani

30th Nov '16 1:02:49 AM Smeagol17
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** As of the most recent issue of ''Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}} Generation Lost'', Ice suddenly has been retconned to be a member of a Scandinavian Romani offshoot that are all conmen and thieves except for her immediate family, who fled the lifestyle to prevent her grandfather from using her ice powers for robbery. This flatly contradicts everything we know about Ice's past, including previous appearances of said immediate family. [[SarcasmMode Thank you,]] Creator/JuddWinick.

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** As of the most recent In an issue of ''Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}} Generation Lost'', Ice suddenly has been retconned to be a member of a Scandinavian Romani offshoot that are all conmen and thieves except for her immediate family, who fled the lifestyle to prevent her grandfather from using her ice powers for robbery. This flatly contradicts everything we know about Ice's past, including previous appearances of said immediate family. [[SarcasmMode Thank you,]] Creator/JuddWinick.
24th Nov '16 6:17:48 PM ErikModi
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* Duncan was with the Roma for a while on ''Series/{{Highlander}}''. The girl he was interested in got angry and falsely accused him of rape, which got everyone else upset. It was fortold he'd "bury many women but marry none". Endgame, of course, puts a kink in that, but continuity isn't this fandom's strong point.

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* Duncan was with the Roma for a while on ''Series/{{Highlander}}''. The girl he was interested in got angry and falsely accused him of rape, which got everyone else upset. It was fortold he'd "bury "love many women but marry none".none" when she ''accidentally'' read his palm while they were making out. Endgame, of course, puts a kink in that, but continuity isn't this fandom's strong point.
21st Nov '16 9:40:40 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''{{Talislanta}}'' has the Sarista, although they're [[LovableRogue portrayed in a fairly sympathetic light]].

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* ''{{Talislanta}}'' ''TabletopGame/{{Talislanta}}'' has the Sarista, although they're [[LovableRogue portrayed in a fairly sympathetic light]].
20th Nov '16 9:06:51 AM MarkLungo
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* The fic ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6020438/1/A-Different-Future A Different Future]]'' has Franchise/HarryPotter adopted by a family of wizarding Gypsies when the Dursleys try to abandon him on the steps of a church. They give him an potion to make him look more like one of the family and the name Alex, pretending that he is the twin brother of their daughter Beth. The author has clearly done some research on the Romani and shows them in a good light, and it's mentioned that Harry's adoptive grandparents survived the Holocaust.
* As in canon, Dick Grayson/Nightwing is of Roma descent in Fanfic/AngelOfTheBat. He considers himself a Christian, but mentions traveling with the circus never permitted him much time to study his faith. His first scene also shows him to be a trickster, playing off the stereotypes of Roma being superstitious to grill an enemy... Which ironically is a DoubleSubversion, considering Roma are also stereotypically connected to deceit.

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* The fic ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6020438/1/A-Different-Future A Different Future]]'' has Franchise/HarryPotter adopted by a family of wizarding Gypsies when the Dursleys try to abandon him on the steps of a church. They give him an potion to make him look more like one of the family and the name Alex, pretending that he is the twin brother of their daughter Beth. The author has clearly done some research on the Romani and shows them in a good light, and it's mentioned that Harry's adoptive grandparents survived the Holocaust.
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* As in canon, Dick Grayson/Nightwing is of Roma descent in Fanfic/AngelOfTheBat.''Fanfic/AngelOfTheBat''. He considers himself a Christian, but mentions traveling with the circus never permitted him much time to study his faith. His first scene also shows him to be a trickster, playing off the stereotypes of Roma being superstitious to grill an enemy... Which ironically is a DoubleSubversion, considering Roma are also stereotypically connected to deceit.
20th Nov '16 5:27:42 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Film/TheWolfMan1941'' (1941), where a Gypsy fortuneteller explains Lawrence Talbot's curse to him (who also appears in ''Film/FrankensteinMeetsTheWolfMan''). Its portrayal is FairForItsDay: When prejudice against Romani comes up, it's portrayed as narrow-minded and ignorant, and Maleva (the gypsy fortuneteller) is an outright heroic figure who tries to help Lawrence Talbot and protect the people around him.
* ''Film/HouseOfFrankenstein'' (1944), where a beautiful Gypsy girl is the love interest of the hunchback Daniel, but is herself more interested in Talbot, the Wolf Man.
* ''Film/{{Borat}}'': Along with his many other cartoonishly bigoted statements, the title character calls himself a "Gypsy catcher" and claims to have run them over in a Hummer. In spite of Sascha Baron Cohen's arguments that a major point of the film was testing whether people would accept or endorse such hate speech, the European Center for Antiziganism Research [[DudeNotFunny still objected]] and filed a complaint against him.
* In Creator/MelBrooks's ''Film/DraculaDeadAndLovingIt'', a stereotypical old Rom woman warns Renfield that Dracula is evil and gives him a crucifix to protect him. When he tries to go, she asks him to pay for it. The early ''{{Dracula}}'' films were among the {{Trope Maker}}s for stereotypes applied to both Romani and Eastern European people in general.

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* ''Film/TheWolfMan1941'' (1941), where a Gypsy fortuneteller explains Lawrence Talbot's curse to him (who also appears in ''Film/FrankensteinMeetsTheWolfMan''). Its portrayal is FairForItsDay: When prejudice against Romani comes up, it's portrayed as narrow-minded and ignorant, and Maleva (the gypsy fortuneteller) is an outright heroic figure who tries to help Lawrence Talbot and protect the people around him.
* ''Film/HouseOfFrankenstein'' (1944), where a beautiful Gypsy girl is the love interest of the hunchback Daniel, but is herself more interested in Talbot, the Wolf Man.
* ''Film/{{Borat}}'': Along with his many other cartoonishly bigoted statements, the title character calls himself a "Gypsy catcher" and claims to have run them over in a Hummer. In spite of Sascha Baron Cohen's arguments that a major point of the film was testing whether people would accept or endorse such hate speech, the European Center for Antiziganism Research [[DudeNotFunny still objected]] and filed a complaint against him.
* In Creator/MelBrooks's ''Film/DraculaDeadAndLovingIt'', a stereotypical old Rom woman warns Renfield that Dracula is evil and gives him a crucifix to protect him. When he tries to go, she asks him to pay for it. The early ''{{Dracula}}'' films were among the {{Trope Maker}}s for stereotypes applied to both Romani and Eastern European people in general.
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* ''Film/TheWolfMan1941'' (1941), where a Gypsy fortuneteller explains Lawrence Talbot's curse to him (who also appears in ''Film/FrankensteinMeetsTheWolfMan''). Its portrayal is FairForItsDay: When prejudice against Romani comes up, it's portrayed as narrow-minded and ignorant, and Maleva (the gypsy fortuneteller) is an outright heroic figure who tries to help Lawrence Talbot and protect the people around him.
* ''Film/HouseOfFrankenstein'' (1944), where a beautiful Gypsy girl is the love interest of the hunchback Daniel, but is herself more interested in Talbot, the Wolf Man.
* ''Film/{{Borat}}'': Along with his many other cartoonishly bigoted statements, the title character calls himself a "Gypsy catcher" and claims to have run them over in a Hummer. In spite of Sascha Baron Cohen's arguments that a major point of the film was testing whether people would accept or endorse such hate speech, the European Center for Antiziganism Research [[DudeNotFunny still objected]] and filed a complaint against him.
* In Creator/MelBrooks's ''Film/DraculaDeadAndLovingIt'', a stereotypical old Rom woman warns Renfield that Dracula is evil and gives him a crucifix to protect him. When he tries to go, she asks him to pay for it. The early ''{{Dracula}}'' films were among the {{Trope Maker}}s for stereotypes applied to both Romani and Eastern European people in general.
20th Nov '16 4:46:04 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''[[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0293668/ Gypsy]]'' / ''[[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0264314/ Return of Budulai]]'' TV miniseries (USSR). Both did as well as they were almost destined to do: this theme gives the perfect pretext for including as much of [[CoolHorse horses]], [[WhipItGood whip-cracking]] BadAss [[HorsebackHeroism riders]] and mildly exotic song and dance as needed, which makes surefire audiovisuals. The series used these possibilities well and maintained high enough general quality to not waste them.

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* ''[[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0293668/ Gypsy]]'' / ''[[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0264314/ Return of Budulai]]'' TV miniseries (USSR). Both did as well as they were almost destined to do: this theme gives the perfect pretext for including as much of [[CoolHorse horses]], [[WhipItGood whip-cracking]] BadAss badass [[HorsebackHeroism riders]] and mildly exotic song and dance as needed, which makes surefire audiovisuals. The series used these possibilities well and maintained high enough general quality to not waste them.
2nd Nov '16 4:44:18 PM nombretomado
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* The Gyptians are Roma/Gypies with Alternate Etymology in ''HisDarkMaterials''. They are still portrayed in an archaic and "mysterious" way, but they are at least pretty damn heroic and invaluable allies of Lyra.

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* The Gyptians are Roma/Gypies with Alternate Etymology in ''HisDarkMaterials''.''Literature/HisDarkMaterials''. They are still portrayed in an archaic and "mysterious" way, but they are at least pretty damn heroic and invaluable allies of Lyra.
11th Oct '16 1:18:41 PM elfey
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First, gypsies are usually shown as dishonest: thieves, pickpockets, [[ConArtist con artists]], trespassers, and {{tricksters}} who wouldn't think twice about taking everything you own that isn't nailed down, and a few things that are. The danger of children being kidnapped by gypsies was a common old wives' tale. The stereotype for dishonesty may or may not be where the term "gypped" probably comes from.[[note]]The origin of "gypped" is not really known. One reason to doubt this explanation is that the term seems to have originated in the United States, which has few to no Gypsies.[[/note]]

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First, gypsies are usually shown as dishonest: thieves, pickpockets, [[ConArtist con artists]], trespassers, and {{tricksters}} who wouldn't think twice about taking everything you own that isn't nailed down, and a few things that are. The danger of children being kidnapped by gypsies was a common old wives' tale. The stereotype for dishonesty may or may not be where the term "gypped" probably comes from.[[note]]The origin of "gypped" is not really known. One reason to doubt this explanation is that the term seems to have originated in the United States, which has few to no Gypsies.Gypsies (although it does have one of the largest Romani populations if not the largest, in the world).[[/note]]
8th Oct '16 9:33:42 AM nombretomado
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* ''{{Buffyverse}}'':

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10th Sep '16 9:09:24 AM Psychopompos007
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* The protagonists of ''Mother Russia Bleeds'' are members of a Gypsy encampment in Soviet Russia who make their living performing bumfights. The game starts with them getting kidnapped by the [[TheMafiya Bratva]] and used as experiments for the street drug [[PsychoSerum Nekro]].

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* The protagonists of ''Mother Russia Bleeds'' ''VideoGame/MotherRussiaBleeds'' are members of a Gypsy encampment in Soviet Russia who make their living performing bumfights. The game starts with them getting kidnapped by the [[TheMafiya Bratva]] and used as experiments for the street drug [[PsychoSerum Nekro]].
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