History UsefulNotes / Romani

10th Sep '16 9:09:24 AM Psychopompos007
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* The protagonists of ''Mother Russia Bleeds'' are members of a Gypsy encampment in Soviet Russia who make their living performing bumfights. The game starts with them getting kidnapped by the [[TheMafiya Bratva]] and used as experiments for the street drug [[PsychoSerum Nekro]].

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* The protagonists of ''Mother Russia Bleeds'' ''VideoGame/MotherRussiaBleeds'' are members of a Gypsy encampment in Soviet Russia who make their living performing bumfights. The game starts with them getting kidnapped by the [[TheMafiya Bratva]] and used as experiments for the street drug [[PsychoSerum Nekro]].
9th Sep '16 10:37:42 AM Hanz
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* In ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRevelations'', Romani musicians can be hired to play music and dance, creating a disraction for the protagonist, Ezio Auditore.

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* In ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRevelations'', Romani musicians can be hired to play music and dance, creating a disraction distraction for the protagonist, Ezio Auditore.


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* The protagonists of ''Mother Russia Bleeds'' are members of a Gypsy encampment in Soviet Russia who make their living performing bumfights. The game starts with them getting kidnapped by the [[TheMafiya Bratva]] and used as experiments for the street drug [[PsychoSerum Nekro]].
21st Aug '16 12:35:16 PM nombretomado
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* ''EclipsePhase'' has the Scumborn, who can be described (in the loosest of terms) as gypsies {{IN SPACE}}, or at least as cultural analogues. Subverted slightly in that the Scum are very difficult to define in general terms since the only things you need to claim the name are a nomadic lifestyle on the edges of the solar system, and a "fuck propriety" attitude. Also, Scum actually ''is'' what they call themselves-- they adopted the name everyone else was already using to describe them as a way of flipping everyone else the metaphorical bird.

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* ''EclipsePhase'' ''TabletopGame/EclipsePhase'' has the Scumborn, who can be described (in the loosest of terms) as gypsies {{IN SPACE}}, or at least as cultural analogues. Subverted slightly in that the Scum are very difficult to define in general terms since the only things you need to claim the name are a nomadic lifestyle on the edges of the solar system, and a "fuck propriety" attitude. Also, Scum actually ''is'' what they call themselves-- they adopted the name everyone else was already using to describe them as a way of flipping everyone else the metaphorical bird.
9th Aug '16 2:00:12 AM PaulA
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* There's a gypsy caravan in ''Conrad's Fate'' by Creator/DianaWynneJones, who travel between different worlds.

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* There's a gypsy caravan in ''Conrad's Fate'' ''Literature/ConradsFate'' by Creator/DianaWynneJones, who travel between different worlds.
9th Aug '16 1:59:19 AM PaulA
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* Creator/MeganLindholm and [[Literature/{{Dragaera}} Steven Brust]]'s ''Literature/TheGypsy'' is about a gypsy wizard who fights a supernatural menace known as "The Fair Lady".

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* Creator/MeganLindholm and [[Literature/{{Dragaera}} Steven Brust]]'s Creator/StevenBrust's ''Literature/TheGypsy'' is about a gypsy wizard who fights a supernatural menace known as "The Fair Lady".
11th Jul '16 12:57:24 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* ''Film/{{Borat}}'' calls himself a "Gypsy catcher" and claims to have run them over in a Hummer. Apparently, it was supposed to be [[RefugeInAudacity too blatantly, over-the-top racist to be taken seriously]], but the European Center for Antiziganism Research [[DudeNotFunny didn't agree]], and filed a complaint against Sacha Baron Cohen. The fact that people did things similar to this ''for real'' in some countries shortly after the film's release (and in some places it was even ''endorsed by the government'') probably [[FunnyAneurysmMoment didn't help the joke much either.]]
* In Creator/MelBrooks's ''Film/DraculaDeadAndLovingIt'', a stereotypical old Rom woman warns Renfield that Dracula is evil and gives him a crucifix to protect him. When he tries to go, she asks him to pay for it. The early ''{{Dracula}}'' films were among the {{Trope Maker}}s for stereotypes applied to both Romani and Eastern European people in general (see Literature below).

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* ''Film/{{Borat}}'' ''Film/{{Borat}}'': Along with his many other cartoonishly bigoted statements, the title character calls himself a "Gypsy catcher" and claims to have run them over in a Hummer. Apparently, it In spite of Sascha Baron Cohen's arguments that a major point of the film was supposed to be [[RefugeInAudacity too blatantly, over-the-top racist to be taken seriously]], but testing whether people would accept or endorse such hate speech, the European Center for Antiziganism Research [[DudeNotFunny didn't agree]], still objected]] and filed a complaint against Sacha Baron Cohen. The fact that people did things similar to this ''for real'' in some countries shortly after the film's release (and in some places it was even ''endorsed by the government'') probably [[FunnyAneurysmMoment didn't help the joke much either.]]
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* In Creator/MelBrooks's ''Film/DraculaDeadAndLovingIt'', a stereotypical old Rom woman warns Renfield that Dracula is evil and gives him a crucifix to protect him. When he tries to go, she asks him to pay for it. The early ''{{Dracula}}'' films were among the {{Trope Maker}}s for stereotypes applied to both Romani and Eastern European people in general (see Literature below).general.



* ''Golden Earrings'' is kind of Dances With Tambourines. Sneaking into Nazi Germany on a secret mission to steal the formula for phlebotinum, Ray Milland runs into a band of movie gypsies, including Marlene Dietrich, and Murvyn Vye as the leader, Zoltan. They disguise him as one of them, teach him their ways and save his life. After the war, of course, he returns to them.

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* ''Golden Earrings'' is kind of Dances With Tambourines. Earrings'': Sneaking into Nazi Germany on a secret mission to steal the formula for phlebotinum, Ray Milland runs into a band of movie gypsies, including Marlene Dietrich, and Murvyn Vye as the leader, Zoltan. They disguise him as one of them, teach him their ways and save his life. After the war, of course, he returns to them.



* ''Film/TheManWhoCried'' has the central character fall in love with a Gypsy man, played by JohnnyDepp, who later chooses to remain with his family through the Nazi invasion of France. In this case, the Gypsy characters are depicted as outsiders, but the difference in this case is that the main character, Suzie, finds solidarity with them as she is also seen as "Other".

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* ''Film/TheManWhoCried'' has the central character fall in love with a Gypsy man, played by JohnnyDepp, Creator/JohnnyDepp, who later chooses to remain with his family through the Nazi invasion of France. In this case, the Gypsy characters are depicted as outsiders, but the difference in this case is that the main character, Suzie, finds solidarity with them as she is also seen as "Other".



* Gypsies are briefly mentioned in the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' novel ''Discworld/EqualRites''. A town-based witch is worried they might kidnap Esk. Granny Weatherwax, who knows a bit about gypsies, finds this unlikely. (Don't ask what the Discworld origin of the word "gypsy" is by the way, since their Egypt is called Djelibeybi.) The same book also has Zoons, who are barge-travelling merchants who find the concept of lying strange (the ones who are good at dealing with outsiders call themselves Liars, because that's what they have to do). Zoons are, of course, distrusted, because there's nothing more suspiscious than someone who's being honest.
** Considering that the word "photographer" on the Disc derives from a Latatian term for "one who prances around ordering people about", the etymology probably has more to do with gag references than geographic origin.
** The Tiffany Aching books feature widely distrusted nomads who wander from town to town in horse-drawn wagons. The twist? They're teachers, going from poor village to poor village trying to find people who really WANT to learn and to give them the opportunity to take a class or two, generally in exchange for food or other objects of barter. There's even a Discworld witchfinder--that is, a witch who tries to locate other witches so that they can be properly trained--who works as a nomadic teacher.
*** ''Making Money'' reveals that traveling bands of ''accountants'' make their living in the same way.

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* Gypsies are briefly ''Literature/{{Discworld}}''
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mentioned in the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' novel ''Discworld/EqualRites''. A town-based witch is worried they might kidnap Esk. Granny Weatherwax, who knows a bit about gypsies, finds this unlikely. (Don't ask what the Discworld origin of the word "gypsy" is by the way, since their Egypt is called Djelibeybi.) The same book also has Zoons, who are barge-travelling merchants who find the concept of lying strange (the ones who are good at dealing with outsiders call themselves Liars, because that's what they have to do). Zoons are, of course, distrusted, because there's nothing more suspiscious suspicious than someone who's being honest.
** Considering that the word "photographer" on the Disc derives from a Latatian term for "one who prances around ordering people about", the etymology probably has more to do with gag references than geographic origin.
** The Tiffany Aching books feature widely distrusted nomads who wander from town to town in horse-drawn wagons. The twist? They're teachers, going from poor village to poor village trying to find people who really WANT to learn and to give them the opportunity to take a class or two, generally in exchange for food or other objects of barter. There's even a Discworld witchfinder--that is, a witch who tries to locate other witches so that they can be properly trained--who works as a nomadic teacher.
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teacher. ''Making Money'' reveals that traveling bands of ''accountants'' make their living in the same way.



* The family of the hero Kvothe from ''Literature/TheNameOfTheWind'' is a band of [[FantasyCounterpartCulture Edema Ruh]], traveling entertainers with a somewhat unsavory (and mostly unearned) reputation.

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* The family of the hero Kvothe from ''Literature/TheNameOfTheWind'' is a band of [[FantasyCounterpartCulture Edema Ruh]], traveling entertainers with a somewhat unsavory (and mostly unearned) reputation. They have very cordial relations with wandering tinkers, further establishing them as fantasy Roma.



* Similarly, 'gipsies' are suspected of complicity in the sudden death of a young woman in Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's ''The Adventure of the Speckled Band', but SherlockHolmes proves they had nothing to do with it; [[spoiler:it was her stepfather]]. (The RedHerring is the assumption that [[spoiler: the Speckled Band of the title is a gypsy neckerchief]].)

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* Similarly, 'gipsies' Literature/SherlockHolmes:
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are suspected of complicity in the sudden death of a young woman in Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's ''The Adventure of the Speckled Band', but SherlockHolmes Sherlock Holmes proves they had nothing to do with it; [[spoiler:it was her stepfather]]. (The RedHerring is the assumption that [[spoiler: the Speckled Band of the title is a gypsy neckerchief]].))



* The Ryn of Star Wars's EU are basically this trope in - [[InSpace oh, guess]]. They have all the trappings - live in roaming caravans (of spaceships, no less), run fortune-telling games (though [[TheForce they might be on to something]]), and are generally used as [[AcceptableTargets punching]] [[ButtMonkey bags]] by the rest of everybody. This is the same 'Verse that spawned [[LovableRogue Han Solo]], though, so they get a sympathetic portrayal, with family loyalty and ingenuity high on their list of traits. Also have a top-notch spy network, run on ''gossip''. [[spoiler: And their [[RagTagBandofMisfits patchwork]] [[TheCavalry fleet]] [[BigDamnHeroes comes through]] [[CrowningMomentofAwesome awesomely]] in one of the later NJO novels.]]
* Sophia from the CalLeandros series is a particularly virulent example.
** Abelia-Roo and the Sarzo Clan aren't much better.
** It is noteworthy that Niko and Cal Leandros, the protagonists of the series, are full Rom and half-Rom, respectively. However, neither brother is accepted by their mother's clan, the Vayash, because Sophia accepted money not only to have the child of an abomination, but to have a child who would—inevitably—be half-''gadje'' (half-non-Roma). Cal is an insult to Roma tradition by his very existence. Both brothers are subversions of Rom stereotypes: they have an apartment in New York, they drive cars rather than caravans, Niko works as a teacher's assistant at a college and as a dojo instructor while Cal is a bartender (and both of them work as bodyguards and investigators), and all in all, they're pretty thoroughly immersed in typical tech-savvy life in their version of alternate modern-day America.

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* The Ryn of Star Wars's EU are basically this trope in - [[InSpace oh, guess]]. They have all the trappings - live in roaming caravans (of spaceships, no less), run fortune-telling games (though [[TheForce they might be on to something]]), and are generally used as [[AcceptableTargets punching]] [[ButtMonkey bags]] by the rest of everybody. This is the same 'Verse that spawned [[LovableRogue Han Solo]], though, so they get a sympathetic portrayal, with family loyalty and ingenuity high on their list of traits. Also have a top-notch spy network, run on ''gossip''. [[spoiler: And their [[RagTagBandofMisfits patchwork]] [[TheCavalry fleet]] [[BigDamnHeroes patchwork fleet comes through]] [[CrowningMomentofAwesome awesomely]] through awesomely in one of the later NJO novels.]]
* Sophia from the CalLeandros series is a particularly virulent example.
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''Literature/CalLeandros'': Sophia, Abelia-Roo and the Sarzo Clan aren't much better.
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Clan. It is noteworthy that Niko and Cal Leandros, the protagonists of the series, are full Rom and half-Rom, respectively. However, neither brother is accepted by their mother's clan, the Vayash, because Sophia accepted money not only to have the child of an abomination, but to have a child who would—inevitably—be half-''gadje'' (half-non-Roma). Cal is an insult to Roma tradition by his very existence. Both brothers are subversions of Rom stereotypes: they have an apartment in New York, they drive cars rather than caravans, Niko works as a teacher's assistant at a college and as a dojo instructor while Cal is a bartender (and both of them work as bodyguards and investigators), and all in all, they're pretty thoroughly immersed in typical tech-savvy life in their version of alternate modern-day America.



* In Brian Jacques' ''Literature/{{Redwall}}'' series, foxes are stereotyped as sly, deceitful, vaguely magical tricksters and all-around ManipulativeBastard types - many are fortunetellers with fashion choices seeming to prefer brightly colored skirts and headscarves, and bangles. Seeing as certain animal species are AlwaysChaoticEvil, this leads to a number of UnfortunateImplications. However, unlike other stereotypical gypsies, foxes usually appear as advisors to the various evil warlords that try to conquer Redwall or Salamandastron, rather than wandering thieving bands. Not that that depiction is any better, mind you.
** On the lighter side of things, the Guosim are a roving community of shrews in Mossflower, actually referred to as gypsies once or twice. They wear brightly colored clothing and move around a lot, but they are regarded as trustworthy and invaluable allies to the woodlanders.

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* In Brian Jacques' ''Literature/{{Redwall}}'' series, foxes are stereotyped as sly, deceitful, vaguely magical tricksters and all-around ManipulativeBastard types - many are fortunetellers with fashion choices seeming to prefer brightly colored skirts and headscarves, and bangles. Seeing as certain animal species are AlwaysChaoticEvil, this leads to a number of UnfortunateImplications. However, unlike other stereotypical gypsies, foxes usually appear as advisors to the various evil warlords that try to conquer Redwall or Salamandastron, rather than wandering thieving bands. Not that that depiction is any better, mind you.
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you. On the lighter side of things, the Guosim are a roving community of shrews in Mossflower, actually referred to as gypsies once or twice. They wear brightly colored clothing and move around a lot, but they are regarded as trustworthy and invaluable allies to the woodlanders.



** From the same author, in collaboration with [[Literature/{{Dragaera}} Steven Brust]], comes the novel ''Literature/TheGypsy'' about a gypsy wizard who fights a supernatural menace known as "The Fair Lady".

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** From the same author, in collaboration with * Creator/MeganLindholm and [[Literature/{{Dragaera}} Steven Brust]], comes the novel Brust]]'s ''Literature/TheGypsy'' is about a gypsy wizard who fights a supernatural menace known as "The Fair Lady".



* ''BarneyMiller'' had an episode in which an elderly Rom was caught vandalizing and otherwise harassing a joke and novelty shop owner. He spraypainted the word "murderer" in Romany on the side of the building. Turned out the shop owner was a former officer of the guard at Birkenau, and the old man was one of the few survivors. Det. Harris gave a summary of [[http://isurvived.org/RomaniLiquidation-Birkenau.html the Romani Liquidation]].

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* ''BarneyMiller'' ''Series/BarneyMiller'' had an episode in which an elderly Rom was caught vandalizing and otherwise harassing a joke and novelty shop owner. He spraypainted the word "murderer" in Romany on the side of the building. Turned out the shop owner was a former officer of the guard at Birkenau, and the old man was one of the few survivors. Det. Harris gave a summary of [[http://isurvived.org/RomaniLiquidation-Birkenau.html the Romani Liquidation]].



* ''Series/PeakyBlinders'' plays straight, plays with and deconstructs many tropes about the Romani. A major plot point is that the Shelby family, who run the titular gang, are part Romani; their paternal grandfather was supposedly a king among the Romani in Birmingham; their mother is referred to as didicoy (half-blooded Romani); and some of the family (particularly Tommy and Aunt Polly) speak Romani, although only when they have to. The Shelbys alternately exploit and shun their connection to the Romani, in contrast with the Lee family, who live in caravans (except for Esme, who married John Shelby and [[CaptainObvious lives in his house]]) and can all speak Romani and do so among themselves. On the other hand, all the other characters consistently refer to the Shelbys as "Gypsies," even though they are at least as Irish as they are Romani, and sometimes even by slurs more often associated with IrishTravellers. And of course, both the Shelbys and the Lees are crime families.

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* ''Series/PeakyBlinders'' plays straight, plays with and deconstructs many tropes about the Romani. A major plot point is that the Shelby family, who run the titular gang, are part Romani; their paternal grandfather was supposedly a king among the Romani in Birmingham; their mother is referred to as didicoy (half-blooded Romani); and some of the family (particularly Tommy and Aunt Polly) speak Romani, although only when they have to. The Shelbys alternately exploit and shun their connection to the Romani, in contrast with the Lee family, who live in caravans (except for Esme, who married John Shelby and [[CaptainObvious lives in his house]]) and can all speak Romani and do so among themselves. On the other hand, all the other characters consistently refer to the Shelbys as "Gypsies," even though they are at least as Irish as they are Romani, and sometimes even by slurs more often associated with IrishTravellers. And of course, both the Shelbys and the Lees are crime families.



** There was a book written for the line that had Gypsies who embodied the 19th century stereotypes -- mysterious, sneaky -- living in the 21st century. Oh, and it had a statistic that represented "[[UnfortunateImplications Blood Purity]]." Players, and indeed, [[FanonDisContinuity writers tried to forget about that one]]. It even got a DiscontinuityNod in a later edition, which omitted the Gypsy book and mentioned that inaccurate information about Gypsies can be found in {{RPG}}s.
*** Worse, they also had early rules for creating Hunter characters who focused on particular kinds of supernatural beings. Since the Gypsy book classed them as a supernatural type, you could create a character who [[UnfortunateImplications hunted and killed Gypsies. Er.]]

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** There was a book written for the line that had Gypsies who embodied the 19th century stereotypes -- mysterious, sneaky -- living in the 21st century. Oh, and it had a statistic that represented "[[UnfortunateImplications Blood Purity]]." Players, and indeed, [[FanonDisContinuity writers tried to forget about that one]]. It even got a DiscontinuityNod in a later edition, which omitted the Gypsy book and mentioned that inaccurate information about Gypsies can be found in {{RPG}}s.
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{{RPG}}s. Worse, they also had early rules for creating Hunter characters who focused on particular kinds of supernatural beings. Since the Gypsy book classed them as a supernatural type, you could create a character who [[UnfortunateImplications hunted and killed Gypsies. Er.]]
3rd Jul '16 8:31:22 PM 221BTARDIS
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* At one time, being "stolen by gypsies" was not a joke, but something that could actually happen. Attractive little girls who either had rich parents to ransom them, or could look like a Heartwarming Orphan to get sympathy when begging, were often the targets. The massive nationwide hunt for Elsie Paroubek in the spring of 1911 centered on Rom camps not just because of anti-Gypsy hatred, but because other children really had been kidnapped by them and later recovered.
25th Jun '16 3:59:53 PM nombretomado
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* TheTenthKingdom had Roma, they were friendly and hospitable although wolf warned the others two rules: 1) Don't eat anything you haven't seen them eating, 2) Never refuse anything, this rule basically meant Tony had to do some really embarrassing singing. They also fit the Gypsy Curse trope but they hardly unprovoked and magic isn't uncommon in TheTenthKingdom

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* TheTenthKingdom ''Series/TheTenthKingdom'' had Roma, they were friendly and hospitable although wolf warned the others two rules: 1) Don't eat anything you haven't seen them eating, 2) Never refuse anything, this rule basically meant Tony had to do some really embarrassing singing. They also fit the Gypsy Curse trope but they hardly unprovoked and magic isn't uncommon in TheTenthKingdom''The 10th Kingdom''.
17th Jun '16 1:46:06 AM PaulA
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* In OscarWilde's ''Literature/TheCantervilleGhost'', a Gypsy caravan is suspected when a teenaged girl goes missing. They're completely innocent of any wrongdoing, however, and join in the search for her.

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* In OscarWilde's Creator/OscarWilde's ''Literature/TheCantervilleGhost'', a Gypsy caravan is suspected when a teenaged girl goes missing. They're completely innocent of any wrongdoing, however, and join in the search for her.
31st May '16 2:13:04 PM DoctorCooper
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