History UsefulNotes / PompeyTheGreat

15th Sep '17 7:53:28 AM Byzantine
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* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: On account of him ultimately defending the Republic at Pharsalia against Caesar, he's often seen as a heroic or more principled Republican than Caesar, even if his entire career proves that he was an ambitious SocialClimber ruthless even by the standards of his time and utterly amoral and unprincipled about throwing people under the bus to get ahead.

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* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: On account of him ultimately defending the Republic at Pharsalia Pharsalus against Caesar, he's Pompey is often seen as a heroic or more principled Republican than Caesar, even Caesar. Even if his entire career proves that he was an ambitious SocialClimber SocialClimber, ruthless even by the standards of his time and time, utterly amoral and unprincipled about throwing people under the bus to get ahead.



* OvershadowedByAwesome: [[invoked]] Later authors see this as the main reason for his jealousy of Caesar. Had it not been for the latter, he would be the great military prodigy and genius of his day, but he lived to see his achievements exceeded and dwarfed by the latter, and become an addendum to his career.

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* OvershadowedByAwesome: [[invoked]] Later authors see this as the main reason for his jealousy of Caesar. Had it not been for the latter, he would be the great military prodigy and genius of his day, but he lived to see his achievements exceeded and dwarfed by the latter, Caesar, and become becoming an addendum to his career.
15th Sep '17 7:48:05 AM Byzantine
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Pompey had declared that he had only to stamp his feet, and the whole of Italy would rally to him. However, word soon reached Rome that Caesar had crossed the Rubicon and entered Italy under arms, and was advancing rapidly to the capital. Without sufficient time to raise enough troops capable of beating Caesar's veterans, Pompey retreated east, and begain raising a huge army. Caesar pursued Pompey into Greece. Their armies first clashed at Dyrrhachium, Greece in 48 BC, where Pompey actually inflicted a serious defeat on Caesar, whose troops retreated in disorder. Assuming this to be a trap, Pompey did not order his men to pursue. Caesar would remark that "today the enemy would have won, had they been led by a winner". In their second battle, at Pharsalus a few weeks later, the younger man proved the better general and Pompey and the other Republicans were routed. Pompey fled to Egypt expecting sanctuary; instead, he was betrayed and murdered by a palace cabal, who sent his head as a gift to Caesar[[note]]The gift was not appreciated; [[RewardedAsATraitorDeserves Caesar had the assassins executed]].[[/note]]. Nonetheless, Caesar would finally be assassinated in the Senate, with his body falling before a statue erected in honour of Pompey Magnus.

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Pompey had declared that he had only to stamp his feet, and the whole of Italy would rally to him. However, word soon reached Rome that Caesar had crossed the Rubicon and Rubicon, entered Italy under arms, and was advancing rapidly to the capital. Without sufficient time to raise enough troops capable of beating Caesar's veterans, Pompey retreated east, and begain began raising a huge army. Caesar pursued Pompey into Greece. Their armies first clashed at Dyrrhachium, Dyrrachium, Greece in 48 BC, where Pompey actually inflicted a serious defeat on Caesar, whose troops retreated in disorder. Assuming this to be a trap, Pompey did not order his men to pursue. Caesar would remark that "today the enemy would have won, had they been led by a winner". In their second battle, at Pharsalus a few weeks later, the younger man proved the better general and Pompey and the other Republicans were routed. Pompey fled to Egypt expecting sanctuary; instead, he was betrayed and murdered by a palace cabal, who sent his head as a gift to Caesar[[note]]The gift was not appreciated; [[RewardedAsATraitorDeserves Caesar had the assassins executed]].[[/note]]. Nonetheless, Caesar would finally be assassinated in the Senate, with his body falling before a statue erected in honour of Pompey Magnus.
15th Sep '17 7:44:31 AM Byzantine
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Such megalomania at such a young age, ultimately set the stage for what we would now recognize as a mid-life crisis. In the decade of the fifties, he became part of the First Triumvirate, a coalition between him, his rival Marcus Licinus Crassus and the junior partner, Julius Caesar. The latter was the nephew of Marius and a supporter of the populare faction, while Crassus and Pompey had enriched and profited of Sulla's actions and his conservative cause. The coalition was bound by a desire on the part of the two Sullans to secure their privilege and clout, and extend their influence with the help of Caesar, who for his part had his own agenda, being a [[ImpoverishedPatrician relatively poor]] but brilliant young aristocrat who had been steered away from the normal course of his career thanks to Sulla but who now wanted to make up for lost time. Between them, the three became unofficial rulers of Rome, dividing the best provinces between them. Caesar and Crassus both wanted and got wars so they could gain plunder and glory, while Pompey, HappilyMarried to Caesar's teenage daughter Julia, settled down in Rome for an extended honeymoon. Soon, cracks began to appear in the triumvirate. Crassus was spectacularly defeated and killed fighting the Parthians, an invasion he launched to get the honors that Pompey had taken from him. Caesar unexpectedly proved a superb general, conquering the Gauls and winning vast new territories for Rome. Despite being a successful SocialClimber and achieving much honors as a general, Pompey lived to see his career overshadowed by the upstart Caesar who despite being a poor lawyer was proving to be a better general than he ever was. He would probably have split from Caesar anyway but his genuine happy marriage with Julia, that was rare enough that it was much commented on and joked about even in that time, held their alliance. That ended with the death of poor Julia in childbirth. The optimate senators, led by Cato the Younger, had loathed Pompey seeing his elevation as an unwarranted concession made by Sulla despite serving their cause. But they hated and feared Caesar more and the capital was breaking down in street fights led by gangs of populares and optimates. They need a sword to stop them, so the optimates turned to the man who trampled and marched on Rome in his youth to come and defend the Republic. Pompey was nominated a consul, illegally, since that was an elected office, but the optimates made an exception to contain the crisis.

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Such megalomania at such a young age, ultimately set the stage for what we would now recognize as a mid-life crisis. In the decade of the fifties, 50s BC, he became part of the First Triumvirate, a coalition between him, his rival Marcus Licinus Crassus Crassus, and the junior partner, Julius Caesar. The latter was the nephew of Marius and a supporter of the populare faction, while Crassus and Pompey had enriched and profited of from Sulla's actions and his conservative cause. The coalition was bound by a desire on the part of the two Sullans to secure their privilege and clout, and extend their influence with the help of Caesar, who Caesar. Caesar for his part had his own agenda, being a [[ImpoverishedPatrician relatively poor]] but brilliant young aristocrat who had been steered away from the normal course of his career thanks to Sulla Sulla, but who now wanted to make up for lost time. Between them, the three became unofficial rulers of Rome, dividing the best provinces between them. Caesar and Crassus both wanted and got wars so they could gain plunder and glory, while Pompey, HappilyMarried to Caesar's teenage daughter Julia, settled down in Rome for an extended honeymoon. Soon, cracks began to appear in the triumvirate. Crassus was spectacularly defeated and killed fighting the Parthians, an invasion he launched to get the honors that Pompey had taken from him. Caesar unexpectedly proved a superb general, conquering the Gauls and winning vast new territories for Rome. Despite being a successful SocialClimber and achieving much many honors as a general, Pompey lived to see his career overshadowed by the upstart Caesar Caesar, who despite being a poor lawyer was proving to be a better general than he Pompey ever was. He would probably have split from Caesar anyway but his genuine happy marriage with Julia, that was rare enough that it was much commented on and joked about even in that time, held their alliance. That ended with the death of poor Julia in childbirth. The optimate senators, led by Cato the Younger, had loathed Pompey seeing Pompey. They saw his elevation as an unwarranted concession made by Sulla Sulla, despite serving the fact that Pompey had served their cause. But they hated and feared Caesar more and the capital was breaking down in street fights led by gangs of populares and optimates. They need needed a sword to stop them, so the optimates turned to the man who trampled and marched on Rome in his youth to come and defend the Republic. Pompey was nominated a consul, illegally, since that was an elected office, but the optimates made an exception to contain the crisis.
15th Sep '17 7:35:52 AM Byzantine
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Regardless of his methods, and how much credit he did or did not steal, Pompey was incredibly popular in Rome and certainly quite a gifted general, at least against weaker armies and smaller threats. He earned, or gave himself, the title Magnus after a highly successful campaign against the pirates that plagued the Mediterranean and a war in the Near East that (amongst other things) firmly brought Judea under Roman domination. Of course there was much propaganda in this. The way Pompey dealt with the pirates was suppress some of them, and generously offer pardons to the rest, and resettle them and make them give up a life of crime, which most of them unsurprisingly accepted (as confirmed in an episode of Creator/{{Virgil}}'s ''Georgics''). In this matter at least, Pompey was more merciful than Caesar. The title alluded to his stated intentions of being seen as Alexander the Great's Roman SpiritualSuccessor owing to his great success in his early youth, as well as conquering "the East". He took his fetish for Alexander to the extend of imitating him, such as claiming to wear a cape that Alexander supposedly wore, [[{{Egopolis}} building towns in the East called]] Pompeiopolis and Magnopolis, with supporters calling him a God and indeed even having a MysteryCult worshipping him as a God in Delos. As a wealthy general, Pompey also saw invested in architecture, roads, theatre and sculpture. In many statues, Pompey was presented as holding a globe in his hands. Indeed, the historian Mary Beard has called Pompey "[[TropeCodifier the first Roman Emperor]]" in that he more or less codified the imperial CultOfPersonality, that Caesar and other Emperors after him followed. In the East, Pompey also had coins minted with his likeness, something that nobody before had done in the Republican era, and which Caesar imitated when he, as dictator, minted coins in Rome with his own likeness. After all if Pompey could, why not Caesar.

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Regardless of his methods, and how much credit he did or did not steal, Pompey was incredibly popular in Rome and certainly quite a gifted general, at least against weaker armies and smaller threats. He earned, or gave himself, the title Magnus after a highly successful campaign against the pirates that plagued the Mediterranean and a war in the Near East that (amongst other things) firmly brought Judea under Roman domination. Of course there was much propaganda in this. The way Pompey dealt with the pirates was to suppress some of them, and to generously offer pardons to the rest, and resettle resettling them and make making them give up a life of crime, which most of them unsurprisingly accepted (as confirmed in an episode of Creator/{{Virgil}}'s ''Georgics''). In this matter at least, Pompey was more merciful than Caesar. The title alluded to his stated intentions of being seen as Alexander the Great's Roman SpiritualSuccessor owing to his great success in his early youth, as well as conquering "the East". He took his fetish for Alexander to the extend of imitating him, such as claiming to wear a cape that Alexander supposedly wore, [[{{Egopolis}} building towns in the East called]] Pompeiopolis and Magnopolis, with supporters calling him a God and indeed even having a MysteryCult worshipping him as a God in Delos. As a wealthy general, Pompey also saw invested in architecture, roads, theatre and sculpture. In many statues, Pompey was presented as holding a globe in his hands. Indeed, the historian Mary Beard has called Pompey "[[TropeCodifier the first Roman Emperor]]" in that he more or less codified the imperial CultOfPersonality, that Caesar and other Emperors after him followed. In the East, Pompey also had coins minted with his likeness, something that nobody before had done in the Republican era, and which Caesar imitated when he, as dictator, minted coins in Rome with his own likeness. After all if Pompey could, why not Caesar.
15th Sep '17 7:29:37 AM Byzantine
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While he was a skilled commander in his own right, Pompey acquired a not entirely undeserved reputation for 'finishing' wars that had already been won by other, less famous Roman generals. More importantly, when confronted with a general who was highly talented and innovative such as Quintus Sertorius, Pompey was actually beaten in battle and forced into retreat, at Saguntum and others. Sertorius had fled to Hispania and organized local tribes and groups and more or less was converted a Roman province [[StartMyOwn into his own Republic]]. His innovative guerrilla warfare left Pompey confused and rely on other Sullan generals to take Hispania, town by town, but even then his victory was only achieved by treachery when one of Sertorius' generals and friends assassinated him at a banquet (in a manner quite like how Caesar died). The guy who killed Sertorius, Perpenna Vento, then surrendered to Pompey by offering a list of his old boss' contacts and client lists. Pompey accepted the surrender, read the lists, burnt it (but we can assume that he memorized a few or all of the names) [[RewardedAsATraitorDeserves and then killed Vento]] and claimed victory over Sertorius. On his way back to Rome, he ran into the surviving followers of the already dead Spartacus, who had apparently opened a channel of communication with Sertorius. Pompey's veteran soldiers easily defeated these remnants, and Pompey promptly claimed glory for having defeated the entire slave revolt, much to the anger of Marcus Crassus who ''actually'' did defeat Spartacus.

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While he was a skilled commander in his own right, Pompey acquired a not entirely undeserved reputation for 'finishing' wars that had already been won by other, less famous Roman generals. More importantly, when confronted with a general who was highly talented and innovative such as Quintus Sertorius, Pompey was actually beaten in battle and forced into retreat, at Saguntum and others. Sertorius had fled to Hispania and organized local tribes and groups and more or less was had converted a Roman province [[StartMyOwn into his own Republic]]. His innovative guerrilla warfare left Pompey confused confused, and he had to rely on other Sullan generals to take Hispania, town by town, but even town. Even then his Pompey's victory was only achieved by treachery treachery, when one of Sertorius' generals and friends assassinated him at a banquet (in a manner quite like how Caesar died). The guy who killed Sertorius, Perpenna Vento, then surrendered to Pompey by offering a list of his old boss' contacts and client lists. Pompey accepted the surrender, read the lists, burnt it (but we can assume that he memorized a few or all of the names) names), [[RewardedAsATraitorDeserves and then killed Vento]] Vento]], and claimed victory over Sertorius. On his way back to Rome, he ran into the surviving followers of the already dead Spartacus, who had apparently opened a channel of communication with Sertorius. Pompey's veteran soldiers easily defeated these remnants, and Pompey promptly claimed glory for having defeated the entire slave revolt, much to the anger of Marcus Crassus who ''actually'' did defeat Spartacus.
15th Sep '17 7:22:09 AM Byzantine
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Pompey was born in 106 BC to a very rich but not very distinguished family--his father had managed to become consul, but otherwise the members of gens Pompeia were rural nobodies, and Pompey was very much an outsider in the Roman political world. His father allied with the dictator Sulla against the Marians, and he died during a Siege in a conflict against the Marians, either directly or by disease. The Marians issued an order of arrest and seizure of assets, citing his father's corruption (either actual or alleged). The young Pompey managed to clear his name during the first civil war, but when the Marians took over the capital, triggering Sulla's second war. At the age of twenty-three, he illegally raised a private army made up of his father's old clients. When Sulla won, young Pompey, alongside other Sullans, such as [[UsefulNotes/MarcusLiciniusCrassus Marcus Licinus Crassus]] helped the dictator with ThePurge of the capital. Pompey earned the nickname ''adulescens carnifex'' ([[TeensAreMonsters teenage]] [[TheButcher butcher]]) during this time.

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Pompey was born in 106 BC to a very rich but not very distinguished family--his father had managed to become consul, but otherwise the members of gens Pompeia were rural nobodies, and Pompey was very much an outsider in the Roman political world. His father allied with the dictator Sulla against the Marians, and he died during a Siege in a conflict against the Marians, either directly or by disease. The Marians issued an order of arrest and seizure of assets, citing his father's corruption (either actual or alleged). The young Pompey managed to clear his name during the first civil war, but when then the Marians took over the capital, triggering Sulla's second war. At the age of twenty-three, he illegally raised a private army made up of his father's old clients. When Sulla won, young Pompey, alongside other Sullans, such as [[UsefulNotes/MarcusLiciniusCrassus Marcus Licinus Crassus]] helped the dictator with ThePurge of the capital. Pompey earned the nickname ''adulescens carnifex'' ([[TeensAreMonsters teenage]] [[TheButcher butcher]]) during this time.
15th Sep '17 7:20:44 AM Byzantine
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Pompey was born in 106 BC to a very rich but not very distinguished family--his father had managed to become consul, but otherwise the Pompeia were rural nobodies, and Pompey was very much an outsider in the Roman political world. His father allied with the dictator Sulla against the Marians, and he died during a Siege in a conflict against the Marians, either directly or by disease. The Marians issued an order of arrest and seizure of assets, citing his father's corruption (either actual or alleged). The young Pompey managed to clear his name during the first civil war, but when the Marians took over the capital, triggering Sulla's second war. At the age of twenty-three, he illegally raised a private army made up of his father's old clients. When Sulla won, young Pompey, alongside other Sullans, such as [[UsefulNotes/MarcusLiciniusCrassus Marcus Licinus Crassus]] helped the dictator with ThePurge of the capital. Pompey earned the nickname ''adulescens carnifex'' ([[TeensAreMonsters teenage]] [[TheButcher butcher]]) during this time.

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Pompey was born in 106 BC to a very rich but not very distinguished family--his father had managed to become consul, but otherwise the members of gens Pompeia were rural nobodies, and Pompey was very much an outsider in the Roman political world. His father allied with the dictator Sulla against the Marians, and he died during a Siege in a conflict against the Marians, either directly or by disease. The Marians issued an order of arrest and seizure of assets, citing his father's corruption (either actual or alleged). The young Pompey managed to clear his name during the first civil war, but when the Marians took over the capital, triggering Sulla's second war. At the age of twenty-three, he illegally raised a private army made up of his father's old clients. When Sulla won, young Pompey, alongside other Sullans, such as [[UsefulNotes/MarcusLiciniusCrassus Marcus Licinus Crassus]] helped the dictator with ThePurge of the capital. Pompey earned the nickname ''adulescens carnifex'' ([[TeensAreMonsters teenage]] [[TheButcher butcher]]) during this time.
31st Aug '17 11:04:25 AM Aurelian
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In their first battle, at Dyrrhachium, Greece in 48 BC, Pompey actually inflicted a serious defeat on Caesar, whose troops retreated in disorder. Assuming this to be a trap, Pompey did not order his men to pursue. Caesar would remark that "today the enemy would have won, had they been led by a winner". In their second battle, at Pharsalus a few weeks later, the younger man proved the better general and Pompey and the other Republicans were routed. Pompey fled to Egypt expecting sanctuary; instead, he was betrayed and murdered by a palace cabal, who sent his head as a gift to Caesar[[note]]The gift was not appreciated; [[RewardedAsATraitorDeserves Caesar had the assassins executed]].[[/note]]. Nonetheless, Caesar would finally be assassinated in the Senate, with his body falling before a statue erected in honour of Pompey Magnus.

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In their Pompey had declared that he had only to stamp his feet, and the whole of Italy would rally to him. However, word soon reached Rome that Caesar had crossed the Rubicon and entered Italy under arms, and was advancing rapidly to the capital. Without sufficient time to raise enough troops capable of beating Caesar's veterans, Pompey retreated east, and begain raising a huge army. Caesar pursued Pompey into Greece. Their armies first battle, clashed at Dyrrhachium, Greece in 48 BC, where Pompey actually inflicted a serious defeat on Caesar, whose troops retreated in disorder. Assuming this to be a trap, Pompey did not order his men to pursue. Caesar would remark that "today the enemy would have won, had they been led by a winner". In their second battle, at Pharsalus a few weeks later, the younger man proved the better general and Pompey and the other Republicans were routed. Pompey fled to Egypt expecting sanctuary; instead, he was betrayed and murdered by a palace cabal, who sent his head as a gift to Caesar[[note]]The gift was not appreciated; [[RewardedAsATraitorDeserves Caesar had the assassins executed]].[[/note]]. Nonetheless, Caesar would finally be assassinated in the Senate, with his body falling before a statue erected in honour of Pompey Magnus.
31st Aug '17 8:33:05 AM Aurelian
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In their first battle, at Dyrrhachium, Pompey actually inflicted a serious defeat on Caesar, whose troops retreated in disorder. Assuming this to be a trap, Pompey did not order his men to pursue. Caesar would remark that "today the enemy would have won, had they been led by a winner". When it finally came down to a Caesar versus Pompey battle at Pharsalus, Greece in 48 BC, the younger man proved the better general. Pompey fled to Egypt expecting sanctuary; instead, he was betrayed and murdered by a palace cabal, who sent his head as a gift to Caesar[[note]]The gift was not appreciated; [[RewardedAsATraitorDeserves Caesar had the assassins executed]].[[/note]]. Nonetheless, Caesar would finally be assassinated in the Senate, with his body falling before a statue erected in honour of Pompey Magnus.

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In their first battle, at Dyrrhachium, Greece in 48 BC, Pompey actually inflicted a serious defeat on Caesar, whose troops retreated in disorder. Assuming this to be a trap, Pompey did not order his men to pursue. Caesar would remark that "today the enemy would have won, had they been led by a winner". When it finally came down to a Caesar versus Pompey battle In their second battle, at Pharsalus, Greece in 48 BC, Pharsalus a few weeks later, the younger man proved the better general.general and Pompey and the other Republicans were routed. Pompey fled to Egypt expecting sanctuary; instead, he was betrayed and murdered by a palace cabal, who sent his head as a gift to Caesar[[note]]The gift was not appreciated; [[RewardedAsATraitorDeserves Caesar had the assassins executed]].[[/note]]. Nonetheless, Caesar would finally be assassinated in the Senate, with his body falling before a statue erected in honour of Pompey Magnus.
31st Aug '17 5:58:18 AM Aurelian
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When it finally came down to a Caesar versus Pompey battle at Pharsalus, Greece in 48 BC, the younger man proved the better general. Pompey fled to Egypt expecting sanctuary; instead, he was betrayed and murdered by a palace cabal, who sent his head as a gift to Caesar[[note]]The gift was not appreciated; [[RewardedAsATraitorDeserves Caesar had the assassins executed]].[[/note]]. Nonetheless, Caesar would finally be assassinated in the Senate, with his body falling before a statue erected in honour of Pompey Magnus.

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In their first battle, at Dyrrhachium, Pompey actually inflicted a serious defeat on Caesar, whose troops retreated in disorder. Assuming this to be a trap, Pompey did not order his men to pursue. Caesar would remark that "today the enemy would have won, had they been led by a winner". When it finally came down to a Caesar versus Pompey battle at Pharsalus, Greece in 48 BC, the younger man proved the better general. Pompey fled to Egypt expecting sanctuary; instead, he was betrayed and murdered by a palace cabal, who sent his head as a gift to Caesar[[note]]The gift was not appreciated; [[RewardedAsATraitorDeserves Caesar had the assassins executed]].[[/note]]. Nonetheless, Caesar would finally be assassinated in the Senate, with his body falling before a statue erected in honour of Pompey Magnus.
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