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17th Sep '17 11:49:54 AM nombretomado
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%% Note that in a culture where patronymics are commonly used--like Russia or Iceland--this is PeopleSitOnChairs. You don't need to list a Russian novel set in Russia where the Russians use patronymics, unless it actually figures in the plot. Instead, list the culture in "Real Life".

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%% Note that in a culture where patronymics are commonly used--like Russia or Iceland--this is PeopleSitOnChairs.Administrivia/PeopleSitOnChairs. You don't need to list a Russian novel set in Russia where the Russians use patronymics, unless it actually figures in the plot. Instead, list the culture in "Real Life".
13th Sep '17 7:16:36 PM nombretomado
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* The science fiction novel ''[[WarchildSeries Cagebird]]'' has a protagonist from an apparently rather traditional Russian family. He uses a patronymic as his middle name until he's recruited by SpacePirates, although it's only mentioned once or twice.

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* The science fiction novel ''[[WarchildSeries ''[[Literature/WarchildSeries Cagebird]]'' has a protagonist from an apparently rather traditional Russian family. He uses a patronymic as his middle name until he's recruited by SpacePirates, although it's only mentioned once or twice.
7th Sep '17 10:36:08 AM nebodija
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However, many cultures use them as part of a broader name. Slavic names include both a patronymic and a family name, and the polite form of address (analogous to "Mr. Lastname" in English or "Lastname-sama" in Japanese) is the first name and patronymic. For example, a letter to Putin might begin with "Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich!"Formal Spanish names include a given name, the father's first surname, the mother's first surname, and may also include toponyms, married names, and so on ([[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_naming_customs the Other Wiki has some gory details ]]). Arabic frequently uses either patronymics or the opposite ("father-of") in addition to surnames, but these often replace surnames in common speech. So Mahmoud Abbas will be more commonly known as abu-Mazen, "the father of Mazen".

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However, many cultures use them as part of a broader name. Slavic Russian names include both a patronymic and a family name, and the polite form of address (analogous to "Mr. Lastname" in English or "Lastname-sama" in Japanese) is the first name and patronymic. For example, a letter to Putin might begin with "Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich!"Formal Vladimirovich!" Formal Spanish names include a given name, the father's first surname, the mother's first surname, and may also include toponyms, married names, and so on ([[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_naming_customs the Other Wiki has some gory details ]]). Arabic frequently uses either patronymics or the opposite ("father-of") in addition to surnames, but these often replace surnames in common speech. So Mahmoud Abbas will be more commonly known as abu-Mazen, "the father of Mazen".
5th Sep '17 7:59:24 PM florianschild
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* Used by a smattering of characters in ''Literature/DragonsWinter'', including Azil Aumson who uses the matronymic derived from the name of his mother, Aum Niallsdatter (presumably a patronymic, although we never meet Niall).
1st Sep '17 10:34:53 AM Omeganian
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* Seems to be the case in Creator/EdmondHamilton's ''Star Kings'', where the Emperor is named Arn Abbas, while his sons are Jhal Arn and Zarth Arn.
31st Jul '17 6:36:47 PM TheMasterPanda
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* Everyone in Theatre/NatashaPierreAndTheGreatCometOf1812 has at least one, as fitting for a musical where "everyone's got 9 different names."
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30th May '17 9:55:02 PM nombretomado
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* ''WildCards''' Dr. Tachyon has a Takisian name that lists his ''entire geneology for a thousand generations''.
* Robert Jordan's ''WheelOfTime'' series has the Ogier, whose males introduce themselves with a double patronymic (Loial son of Arent son of Halan), and whose females introduce themselves with a double matronymic (Erith daughter of Ila daughter of Alar).

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* ''WildCards''' ''Literature/WildCards''' Dr. Tachyon has a Takisian name that lists his ''entire geneology for a thousand generations''.
* Robert Jordan's ''WheelOfTime'' ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'' series has the Ogier, whose males introduce themselves with a double patronymic (Loial son of Arent son of Halan), and whose females introduce themselves with a double matronymic (Erith daughter of Ila daughter of Alar).
11th May '17 7:58:08 AM LegitimateIdiot
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One of the cultures that used matronymics in the old days without it being an obvious sign of illegitimacy was the English culture. It was traditional for posthumous children in medieval times to take their mother's name as a surname, and kids faced with a sucky patronym and a cool matronym were free to choose the latter. Custer, Beaton, Izzard, Madison, and Parnell are only a few of the many matronyms used in English as surnames.

Very few modern cultures use patronymics exclusively, because it just gets awkward as populations grow; Iceland is one of the few remaining cases, where (with the exception of a few families which had family names since before taking them up was forbidden by law) people are known by first name and patronymic. Mongolia is an another example, but because Mongol naming system allows for a much broader variation in the given names, it has somewhat less importance and is often initialed in practice. Another interesting aside is that Mongols follow the common Asian pattern of "surname first", so their patronymics go ''before'' given names, unlike the most other examples.

However, many cultures use them as part of a broader name. Slavic names include both a patronymic and a family name, and the polite form of address (analogous to "Mr. Lastname" in English or "Lastname-sama" in Japanese) is the first name and patronymic. (So for example, a letter to Putin might begin "Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich!") Formal Spanish names include a given name, the father's first surname, the mother's first surname, and may also include toponyms, married names, and so on. (The Other Wiki has gory details [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_naming_customs]]) Arabic frequently uses either patronymics or the opposite ("father-of") in addition to surnames, but these often replace surnames in common speech. (So Mahmoud Abbas is more commonly known as abu-Mazen, "the father of Mazen")

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One of the cultures that used matronymics in the old days without it being an obvious sign of illegitimacy was the English culture.English. It was traditional for posthumous children in medieval times to take their mother's name as a surname, and kids faced with a sucky patronym and a cool matronym were free to choose the latter. Custer, Beaton, Izzard, Madison, and Parnell are only a few of the many matronyms used in English as surnames.

Very few modern cultures use patronymics exclusively, exclusively because it just gets awkward as populations grow; Iceland is one of the few remaining cases, where (with the exception of a few families which had these family names since before taking them up was forbidden by law) people are known by their first name and patronymic. Mongolia is an another example, but because the Mongol naming system allows for a much broader variation in the given names, it has somewhat less importance and is often initialed in practice. Another interesting aside is that Mongols follow the common Asian pattern of "surname first", so their patronymics go ''before'' given names, unlike the most other examples.

However, many cultures use them as part of a broader name. Slavic names include both a patronymic and a family name, and the polite form of address (analogous to "Mr. Lastname" in English or "Lastname-sama" in Japanese) is the first name and patronymic. (So for For example, a letter to Putin might begin with "Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich!") Formal Vladimirovich!"Formal Spanish names include a given name, the father's first surname, the mother's first surname, and may also include toponyms, married names, and so on. (The Other Wiki has gory details [[https://en.on ([[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_naming_customs]]) org/wiki/Spanish_naming_customs the Other Wiki has some gory details ]]). Arabic frequently uses either patronymics or the opposite ("father-of") in addition to surnames, but these often replace surnames in common speech. (So So Mahmoud Abbas is will be more commonly known as abu-Mazen, "the father of Mazen")
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* In ''WesternAnimation/{{Ninjago}}'', WordOfGod confirms that Lloyd Garmadon takes on his father's first name as his surname. Garmadon himself, as well as his brother Wu, don't have a surname due to being the sons of the First Spinjitzu Master.
28th Apr '17 1:26:15 AM morane
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* This has historically been the case in Western Finland, where proper surnames became commonplace only in the 18th century: people were referred either with patronyme or by the name of their farm or trade. The use of proper surnames has historically been common in Eastern Finland, and many families can trace their roots to Middle Ages. The common suffix on Eastern Finland surnames, ''-nen'', is also the diminutive suffix in Finnish language, implying "offspring of", ''Pekkanen'', "offspring of Pekka (Peter)". Western Finnish surnames often end in ''-la'', implying in Finnish language as a "place of": ''Jaakkola'' might imply "farm of Jaakko" (James or Jacob), the original founder of the farm.
15th Apr '17 1:12:05 PM nombretomado
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* A popular naming convention in SMStirling's {{Emberverse}}, with characters known as "Jake sunna Jake" (say it aloud and it makes perfect sense), Dik Tomskid, Bjarni Erickson, and Asgerd Karlsdottir.

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* A popular naming convention in SMStirling's {{Emberverse}}, Creator/SMStirling's Literature/{{Emberverse}}, with characters known as "Jake sunna Jake" (say it aloud and it makes perfect sense), Dik Tomskid, Bjarni Erickson, and Asgerd Karlsdottir.
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