History UsefulNotes / Patronymic

24th Feb '16 7:51:22 AM SutairuMasuta
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* Balalaika from ''Manga/BlackLagoon'' is a weird example, as she has a surname (Irininskaya) as her patronymic and a patronymic (Pavelovena) as her surname.



* In Russia, the patronymic (отчество ''otchestvo'') is sort of like the middle name; it comes in between the first name (имя ''imya'') and last name (фамилия ''familiya''). The patronymic for a son ends in "-ович" ("-ovitch") and the patronymic for a daughter ends in "-овна" ("-ovna"). Socially, a Russian is generally known by his first name and patronymic; a man who is called "Boris Denisov" in court would be called "Boris Grigorovitch" (or whatever) in ordinary life. It can also be a sign that an English writer didn't do the research if they have a Russian character with a patronymic for his last name (or if he has ''two'' patronymics).

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* In Russia, the patronymic (отчество ''otchestvo'') is sort of like the middle name; it comes in between the first name (имя ''imya'') and last name (фамилия ''familiya''). The patronymic for a son ends in "-ович" ("-ovitch") and the patronymic for a daughter ends in "-овна" ("-ovna"). Socially, a Russian is generally known by his first name and patronymic; a man who is called "Boris Denisov" in court would be called "Boris Grigorovitch" (or whatever) Grigoryevitch" in ordinary life. It can also be a sign that an English writer didn't do the research if they have a Russian character with a patronymic for his last name (or if he has ''two'' patronymics).
20th Feb '16 4:09:20 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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There are only a few cultures on modern Earth that still retain the use of a patronymic (Eastern Europe, Russia, Mongolia, Iceland, Malaysia, and Arabic countries); it just gets awkward as the populations get high, so most of these cultures (with the notable exception of Iceland, which ''does not'' have surnames bar a select few families that have had them since before taking up family names was ''forbidden by law'') cheat by adopting proper surnames or other monikers as well. Not so for alien species in ScienceFiction. Most alien races have OnlyOneName, and among those who don't, it's usually a patronymic. Especially [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy proud warrior races]].

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There are only a few modern cultures on modern Earth that still retain the use of a patronymic (Eastern Europe, Russia, Mongolia, Iceland, Malaysia, Tamil Nadu in India, and Arabic countries); it just gets awkward as the populations get high, so most of these cultures (with the notable exception of Iceland, which ''does not'' have surnames bar a select few families that have had them since before taking up family names was ''forbidden by law'') cheat by adopting proper surnames or other monikers as well. Not so for alien species in ScienceFiction. Most alien races have OnlyOneName, and among those who don't, it's usually a patronymic. Especially [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy proud warrior races]].
20th Dec '15 8:05:44 PM DeisTheAlcano
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* In ''{{Film/Thor}}'' and ''Film/TheAvengers'', Thor addresses [[PhilCoulson Agent Coulson]] as "Son of Coul".
** Thor calls himself either Odinson or Son of Odin.

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* In ''{{Film/Thor}}'' and ''Film/TheAvengers'', ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', Thor addresses [[PhilCoulson Agent Coulson]] Coulson as "Son of Coul".
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Coul" assuming that his surname is used the same in his culture. Thor calls himself either Odinson or Son of Odin.
Odin.
12th Nov '15 6:56:45 PM nombretomado
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* The protagonist of RobinHobb's ''[[Literature/RealmOfTheElderlings The Farseer Trilogy]]'' is named [=FitzChivalry=] Farseer, and thus his ''given'' name is actually a patronymic.

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* The protagonist of RobinHobb's Creator/RobinHobb's ''[[Literature/RealmOfTheElderlings The Farseer Trilogy]]'' is named [=FitzChivalry=] Farseer, and thus his ''given'' name is actually a patronymic.
25th Jul '15 7:07:27 PM Willbyr
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* [[{{Tsundere}} Anna]] [[PlayingWithFire Yurievna Cocolova]] from MahouSenseiNegima (She's usually called by her diminutive: Anya)

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* [[{{Tsundere}} Anna]] [[PlayingWithFire Yurievna Cocolova]] from MahouSenseiNegima ''Manga/MahouSenseiNegima'' (She's usually called by her diminutive: Anya)



* Chihaya Ayase from ''{{Chihayafuru}}'' and her sister Chitose take a kanji from her mother's name, Chieko.

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* Chihaya Ayase from ''{{Chihayafuru}}'' ''Manga/{{Chihayafuru}}'' and her sister Chitose take a kanji from her mother's name, Chieko.
6th Jul '15 9:14:05 AM Morgenthaler
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* Weird subversion: Thanks to a miscommunication, the Arab protagonist of ''TheThirteenthWarrior'' became known as "Eben" -- a mispronunciation of the Arabic word "ibn", which means "son of".

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* Weird subversion: Thanks to a miscommunication, the Arab protagonist of ''TheThirteenthWarrior'' ''Film/TheThirteenthWarrior'' became known as "Eben" -- a mispronunciation of the Arabic word "ibn", which means "son of".
5th Jul '15 9:17:24 PM nombretomado
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Less often, but still more common than a proper surname, a character will use a locative name (Such as Xev of [=B3K=] from ''{{Lexx}}''). Various Jaffa in ''Series/StargateSG1'' have used either (and the cultural bias is demonstrated by Master Bra'tac, who always referred to General Hammond as "Hammond of Texas"). The [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy proudest of the warrior races]] have ''both''.

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Less often, but still more common than a proper surname, a character will use a locative name (Such as Xev of [=B3K=] from ''{{Lexx}}'').''Series/{{Lexx}}''). Various Jaffa in ''Series/StargateSG1'' have used either (and the cultural bias is demonstrated by Master Bra'tac, who always referred to General Hammond as "Hammond of Texas"). The [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy proudest of the warrior races]] have ''both''.
28th Jun '15 4:24:14 PM nombretomado
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* On the original ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Classic}}'', characters would occasionally use these as well.

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* On the original ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Classic}}'', Galactica|1978}}'', characters would occasionally use these as well.
19th May '15 9:51:10 AM nombretomado
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* Some Gauls in ''{{Asterix}}'', although mostly for humour value. Semiautomatix -> Fulliautomatix, Astronomix -> Asterix, Obeliscoidix -> Obelix. There's also the historical example of Caesar -> Caesarion.

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* Some Gauls in ''{{Asterix}}'', ''ComicBook/{{Asterix}}'', although mostly for humour value. Semiautomatix -> Fulliautomatix, Astronomix -> Asterix, Obeliscoidix -> Obelix. There's also the historical example of Caesar -> Caesarion.
3rd May '15 5:29:29 PM Narsil
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* The ancient Romans often didn't bother naming daughters, so instead of names they'd get first, second, third (as in "third daughter"). The end result of this was most women could only really be named with a patronymic name, or it'd be impossible to tell them apart. They were only slightly less lazy when naming sons, and tended to number them, too.
** It wasn't so bad as all that; daughters would have variations on their father's clan name. The confusing part is that aristocratic fathers would often name their eldest sons after themselves with no numbers, leading to generation after generation of guys named Publius Claudius Pulcher. Only slightly better than PlanetOfSteves.
** Girls mostly got the feminine version of their father's family name - Marc Antony's daughter was named Antonia and Augustus' daughter was Julia, for example. They did sometimes get nicknames - sometimes as simple as Maior and Minor and sometimes more creative - to tell them apart. A lot of the time, though, you just had to learn to keep all your Cornelias straight.
*** Roman nicknames, known as "cognomen", were actually a formally recognized parts of a person's full name -- mostly because Romans really were rather unimaginative with given names (called "praenomen" in Latin, the Romans had about three dozen different praenomens in total, out of which only a dozen are regularly used), and even one clan could have a lot of the similarly named guys. What's interesting is that in the late Republic cognomens also became hereditary and turned into an ersatz-family name, to distinguish the branches in TheClan. This, in turn caused an another round of nicknaming, this time called "agnomen" -- for example Caligula's full name was Gaius[[note]]''praenomen'' or given name[[/note]] Julius[[note]]''nomen gentile'', family name proper[[/note]] Caesar[[note]]originally Caesar's ''cognomen'', but it was adopted by all subsequent Roman Emperors as a title[[/note]] Germanicus[[note]]''cognomen'', or nickname, meaning "the conqueror of Germany". Caligula actually inherited it from his father, who was called exactly the same except for the "Caligula" bit and is generally known simply as Germanicus[[/note]] Caligula[[note]]''agnomen'', or second nickname, meaning "a Little Boot", after heavy military sandals worn by legionnaires. Caligula, being a MilitaryBrat, wore a smaller version of them in his childhood, and was nicknamed thusly.[[/note]].
** More in line with proper patronymics, the full name listed on official records would often include a filiation, which basically inserted the ''praenomina'' of his father and grandfather between the ''nomen'' and the ''cognomen''. The Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar that everyone knows and loves would have been listed as "Gaius Iulius Gaii filius[[note]]"son of Gaius"[[/note]] Gaii nepos[[note]]"grandson of Gaius"[[/note]] Caesar" (remember how we mentioned that the Romans got a bit uncreative with their names?), or "C. Iulius C. f. C. n. Caesar" for short.

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* The ancient Romans often AncientRome didn't bother naming daughters, so instead of names they'd get first, second, third (as in "third daughter"). The end result of this was most women could only really be named with a patronymic name, or it'd be impossible to tell them apart. They were only slightly less lazy when naming sons, and tended to number them, too.
** It wasn't so bad as all that; daughters would have variations on their father's clan name. The confusing part is that aristocratic fathers would often name their eldest sons after themselves with no numbers, leading to generation after generation of guys named Publius Claudius Pulcher. Only slightly better than PlanetOfSteves.
** Girls mostly got the feminine version of their father's
generally use patronymics, since they used modern-style family name - Marc Antony's daughter was named Antonia and Augustus' daughter was Julia, for example. They did sometimes get nicknames - sometimes as simple as Maior and Minor and sometimes more creative - to tell them apart. A lot of the time, though, you just had to learn to keep all your Cornelias straight.
*** Roman nicknames, known as "cognomen", were actually a formally recognized parts of
names (the ''nomen''). But in some formal settings, like official records, a person's full name -- mostly because Romans really were rather unimaginative with given names (called "praenomen" in Latin, the Romans had about three dozen different praenomens in total, out of which only a dozen are regularly used), and even one clan could have a lot of the similarly named guys. What's interesting is that in the late Republic cognomens also became hereditary and turned into an ersatz-family name, to distinguish the branches in TheClan. This, in turn caused an another round of nicknaming, this time called "agnomen" -- for example Caligula's full name was Gaius[[note]]''praenomen'' or given name[[/note]] Julius[[note]]''nomen gentile'', family name proper[[/note]] Caesar[[note]]originally Caesar's ''cognomen'', but it was adopted by all subsequent Roman Emperors as a title[[/note]] Germanicus[[note]]''cognomen'', or nickname, meaning "the conqueror of Germany". Caligula actually inherited it from his father, who was called exactly the same except for the "Caligula" bit and is generally known simply as Germanicus[[/note]] Caligula[[note]]''agnomen'', or second nickname, meaning "a Little Boot", after heavy military sandals worn by legionnaires. Caligula, being a MilitaryBrat, wore a smaller version of them in his childhood, and was nicknamed thusly.[[/note]].
** More in line with proper patronymics, the full name listed on official records
would often include a filiation, which basically inserted the ''praenomina'' of his father and grandfather between the ''nomen'' and the ''cognomen''. The Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar that everyone knows and loves would have been listed as "Gaius Iulius Gaii filius[[note]]"son of Gaius"[[/note]] Gaii nepos[[note]]"grandson of Gaius"[[/note]] Caesar" (remember how we mentioned that the Romans got a bit uncreative with their names?), Caesar", or "C. Iulius C. f. C. n. Caesar" for short.short.
** When [[UsefulNotes/{{Augustus}} Gaius Octavius]] found he'd been posthumously adopted by Julius Caesar, he had his new father officially proclaimed a demigod--and his own name, for formal purposes, became "Gaius Julius Caesar Divi filius", "...the son of the god".
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