History UsefulNotes / Patronymic

28th Dec '16 6:41:25 PM zunger
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A ''patronymic'' is a surname formed from the name of the owner's father or a paternal ancestor, used by a culture in place of a family name that is handed down from generation to generation. As an interesting note, while some cultures exist that do use matronymics (names derived from one's mother), more often in a culture that uses patronymics, taking such a name is a sign of illegitimacy.

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A ''patronymic'' is a surname formed from the name of the owner's father or a paternal ancestor, used by a culture in place of or in addition to a family name that is handed down from generation to generation. As an interesting note, while some cultures exist that do use matronymics (names derived from one's mother), more often in a culture that uses patronymics, taking such a name is a sign of illegitimacy.



There are only a few modern cultures that still retain the use of a patronymic (Eastern Europe, Russia, Mongolia, Iceland, Malaysia, Tamil Nadu in India, and Arabic countries); it just gets awkward as the populations get high, so most of these cultures (with the notable exception of Iceland, which ''does not'' have surnames bar a select few families that have had them since before taking up family names was ''forbidden by law'') cheat by adopting proper surnames or other monikers as well. Not so for alien species in ScienceFiction. Most alien races have OnlyOneName, and among those who don't, it's usually a patronymic. Especially [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy proud warrior races]].

Less often, but still more common than a proper surname, a character will use a locative name (Such as Xev of [=B3K=] from ''Series/{{Lexx}}''). Various Jaffa in ''Series/StargateSG1'' have used either (and the cultural bias is demonstrated by Master Bra'tac, who always referred to General Hammond as "Hammond of Texas"). The [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy proudest of the warrior races]] have ''both''.

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There are only a Very few modern cultures that still retain the use of a patronymic (Eastern Europe, Russia, Mongolia, Iceland, Malaysia, Tamil Nadu in India, and Arabic countries); patronymics exclusively, because it just gets awkward as the populations get high, so most grow; Iceland is one of these cultures the few remaining cases, where (with the notable exception of Iceland, which ''does not'' have surnames bar a select few families that have which had them family names since before taking them up was forbidden by law) people are known by first name and patronymic. However, many cultures use them as part of a broader name. Slavic names include both a patronymic and a family name, and the polite form of address (analogous to "Mr. Lastname" in English or "Lastname-sama" in Japanese) is the first name and patronymic. (So for example, a letter to Putin might begin "Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich!") Formal Spanish names was ''forbidden by law'') cheat by adopting proper include a given name, the father's first surname, the mother's first surname, and may also include toponyms, married names, and so on. (The Other Wiki has gory details [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_naming_customs]]) Arabic frequently uses either patronymics or the opposite ("father-of") in addition to surnames, but these often replace surnames or other monikers in common speech. (So Mahmoud Abbas is more commonly known as well. Not so for alien species in ScienceFiction. abu-Mazen, "the father of Mazen")

Most alien races have OnlyOneName, and among those who don't, it's usually a patronymic. Especially [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy proud warrior races]].

races]]. Less often, but still more common than a proper surname, a character will use a locative name (Such as Xev of [=B3K=] from ''Series/{{Lexx}}''). Various Jaffa in ''Series/StargateSG1'' have used either (and the cultural bias is demonstrated by Master Bra'tac, who always referred to General Hammond as "Hammond of Texas"). The [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy proudest of the warrior races]] have ''both''.
10th Dec '16 7:08:58 AM Khathi
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* Mongols don't use proper family names, and to distinguish between the people with the same given name they use patronymics usually, father's name in a genitive case, giving it a ubiquitous "iin" ending appended ''before'' the given name, though it isn't held in much significance and is often limited to just an initial. In an official context, like in passport, the patronymic (rarely, a matronymic) is, however, written in a nominative case. Clan names, while being allowed again nowadays, have no legal significance and aren't recorded in official documents.
27th Nov '16 2:33:49 AM Khathi
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** The fall of patronymic use in modern Danish and its continuation in modern Russian has led to a lot of confusion in the case of the famous Russo-Danish explorer Vitus Bering he had a similarly named uncle, a poet, whose only difference was a patronymic (the former was named Ionassen, while the latter Pederssen), and thus until the explorer's remains were rediscovered on the remote island in the Pacific, the portrait of his uncle [[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Vitus_Bering-2.jpg a jolly, plump and roundfaced gentleman]], quite unlike his [[http://goulp.ru/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/bering1.jpg lean and stern-looking mariner relative]], was believed to belong to the explorer.
21st Nov '16 8:13:55 AM Owlorange1995
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* In Film/IronMan2, the real name of the Whiplash/Crimson Dynamo CompositeCharacter is Ivan ''Antonovich'' Vanko (his father's name was Anton Vanko).
31st Aug '16 7:14:42 AM LondonKdS
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* In Creator/DCComics, Thanagarians have males take their given name from their father's surname (Katar Hol's father was Paran Katar), while females take their surname from their father's given name (Shayera Thal's father was Thal Porvis). There have been variations, usually by writer's who don't know the rules.

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* In Creator/DCComics, Thanagarians have males take their given first name from their father's surname second name (Katar Hol's father was Paran Katar), while females take their surname second name from their father's given first name (Shayera Thal's father was Thal Porvis). There have been variations, usually by writer's who don't know the rules.
18th Aug '16 9:36:13 PM PaulA
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* [[VorkosiganSaga Barrayar]] has this for the Vor lords. First sons of Counts are given their paternal grandfather's first name as their first name, while their maternal grandfather's first name becomes their second name (For example: Count Piotr Pierre Vorkosigan). [[TheHero Miles]] would have originally been Piotr Miles Vorkosigan, but after he was born deformed, his mother gave him her father's full name: Miles Naismith Vorkosigan. Second sons are given the second names of their grandfather (Like Mark Pierre Vorkosigan).

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* [[VorkosiganSaga Barrayar]] ''Literature/VorkosiganSaga'': Barrayar has this for the Vor lords. First sons of Counts are given their paternal grandfather's first name as their first name, while their maternal grandfather's first name becomes their second name (For example: Count Piotr Pierre Vorkosigan). [[TheHero Miles]] would have originally been Piotr Miles Vorkosigan, but after he was born deformed, deformed and his paternal grandfather disowned him, his mother gave him her father's full name: Miles Naismith Vorkosigan. Second sons are given the second names of their grandfather (Like (like Mark Pierre Vorkosigan).
13th Aug '16 5:47:22 PM nombretomado
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** Parodied in Literature/{{Discworld}}, where Dwarves often get uncreative. An example can be Snorriscousin or Glodsnephew. Also their patronymic surnames can stack, leading to Glodsonsonsonsonsonsonsons...

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** Parodied in Literature/{{Discworld}}, ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'', where Dwarves often get uncreative. An example can be Snorriscousin or Glodsnephew. Also their patronymic surnames can stack, leading to Glodsonsonsonsonsonsonsons...



** This explains why so many Welsh family names begin with "P": when Anglicised, the ''ap'' prefix attached to the rest of the name and lost the initial "a", so that modern surnames are an echo of the original Welsh. Thus ''ap Rhys'' becomes '''Price''' or '''Preece'''; and so on, generating '''Pritchard''' or even '''[[{{Discworld}} Pratchett]]''', '''Povey, Powell, Prenderghast, Probert''', et c.

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** This explains why so many Welsh family names begin with "P": when Anglicised, the ''ap'' prefix attached to the rest of the name and lost the initial "a", so that modern surnames are an echo of the original Welsh. Thus ''ap Rhys'' becomes '''Price''' or '''Preece'''; and so on, generating '''Pritchard''' or even '''[[{{Discworld}} '''[[Literature/{{Discworld}} Pratchett]]''', '''Povey, Powell, Prenderghast, Probert''', et c.
1st Aug '16 6:40:48 PM PaulA
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* On MarionZimmerBradley's Literature/{{Darkover}}, a woman who joins the Renunciates (aka the "Free Amazons") takes an oath in which, among other things, she agrees ''not'' to use the name of her father or her husband. She is thereafter known by her matronymic, e.g., "Margali ''n'ha'' [daughter of] Ysabet."

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* On MarionZimmerBradley's Creator/MarionZimmerBradley's Literature/{{Darkover}}, a woman who joins the Renunciates (aka the "Free Amazons") takes an oath in which, among other things, she agrees ''not'' to use the name of her father or her husband. She is thereafter known by her matronymic, e.g., "Margali ''n'ha'' [daughter of] Ysabet."
31st Jul '16 1:26:30 PM nombretomado
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* In DCComics, Thanagarians have males take their given name from their father's surname (Katar Hol's father was Paran Katar), while females take their surname from their father's given name (Shayera Thal's father was Thal Porvis). There have been variations, usually by writer's who don't know the rules.

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* In DCComics, Creator/DCComics, Thanagarians have males take their given name from their father's surname (Katar Hol's father was Paran Katar), while females take their surname from their father's given name (Shayera Thal's father was Thal Porvis). There have been variations, usually by writer's who don't know the rules.
30th Jul '16 9:08:10 PM wuggles
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* On ''Series/TheLastKingdom'', which takes place in 9th century England, Uhtred is known as either Uhtred Uhtredsson (representing his Saxon heritage) or Uhtred Ragnarsson (Ragnar being the Danish warlord who took him in), depending on how Saxon or Danish he's feeling, or who he's talking to.
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