History UsefulNotes / NoMoreEmperors

5th Nov '16 7:41:22 AM TheWildWestPyro
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** The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanyang_88 Hanyang 88]] rifle was first used during the 1911 Revolution to fight the Qing Army, and was given to second-line troops by the Nationalists during the Second Sino-Japanese War. Similarly, the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Kai-shek_rifle Type Zhongzheng]] rifle, a copy of the Mauser M1924 (itself the prototype for the Karabiner 98k) became the standard service rifle of the Nationalist Army in World War 2, and was later used by both sides in the Chinese Civil War.
** This gets an amusing inversion in case of Chinese films set during the Civil War. The heroes tend to be either Communists or at least neutral parties with good combat skills, occasionally becoming a BadassArmy in propaganda films. The bad guys tend to be Nationalists, using surplus German uniforms, gear and weapons, playing the local equivalent of ThoseWackyNazis and behaving like aggressive thugs, as well as being depicted as a RedshirtArmy despite their superior equipment.

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** The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanyang_88 Hanyang 88]] rifle was first used during the 1911 Revolution to fight overthrow the Qing Army, Dynasty, and was given to second-line provincial troops by the Nationalists during the Second Sino-Japanese War. Similarly, the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Kai-shek_rifle Type Zhongzheng]] 24]] rifle, a copy of the Mauser M1924 (itself the prototype for the Karabiner 98k) became the standard service rifle of the Nationalist Army in World War 2, and was later used by both sides in the Chinese Civil War.
** This gets an amusing inversion in case of Chinese films set during the Civil War. The heroes tend to be either Communists or at least neutral parties with good combat skills, occasionally becoming a BadassArmy in propaganda films. The bad guys tend to be Nationalists, using surplus German uniforms, gear and weapons, playing the local equivalent of ThoseWackyNazis and behaving like aggressive thugs, as well as being depicted as a RedshirtArmy of 'reactionaries' despite their superior equipment.
2nd Nov '16 8:00:12 AM TheWildWestPyro
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* GoodGunsBadGuns: The Mauser C96 was used a lot in the war. It used to be a "bad gun", but stopped after the Chinese started using it in the civil war and in World War II.
** The Hanyang Mauser Gw. 1888.
** This gets an amusing inversion in case of Chinese films set during the Civil War. The heroes tend to be either Communist or at least neutral. The bad guys tend to be Nationalist, using surplus German uniforms, gear and weapons, playing local equivalent of ThoseWackyNazis.

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* GoodGunsBadGuns: The Mauser C96 was used a lot in the war. different wars during this era. It used to be a "bad gun", guy gun" due to frequent use by warlords, but stopped after the Chinese started using it in wide quantities, most notably during the civil war Second Sino-Japanese War and in World War II.
II as the main sidearm of many soldiers.
** The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanyang_88 Hanyang 88]] rifle was first used during the 1911 Revolution to fight the Qing Army, and was given to second-line troops by the Nationalists during the Second Sino-Japanese War. Similarly, the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Kai-shek_rifle Type Zhongzheng]] rifle, a copy of the Mauser Gw. 1888.
M1924 (itself the prototype for the Karabiner 98k) became the standard service rifle of the Nationalist Army in World War 2, and was later used by both sides in the Chinese Civil War.
** This gets an amusing inversion in case of Chinese films set during the Civil War. The heroes tend to be either Communist Communists or at least neutral. neutral parties with good combat skills, occasionally becoming a BadassArmy in propaganda films. The bad guys tend to be Nationalist, Nationalists, using surplus German uniforms, gear and weapons, playing the local equivalent of ThoseWackyNazis.ThoseWackyNazis and behaving like aggressive thugs, as well as being depicted as a RedshirtArmy despite their superior equipment.



* ThePurge: Jiang Jieshi did it to the Communists (within the GMD) when he figured they were becoming dangerous. He was right, actually; they were always planning to betray him, he just betrayed them first. Also, the Nationalists and Communists to themselves. Mao was not top dog by a long shot when he was borne by Sedan chair on the Long March, for instance.
* TheQuisling: Wang Jingwei, once one of the most prominent people in GMD, started a collaboration government with Japanese soon after the war brake out. To this day, his name is synonymous with traitor in Chinese.

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* ThePurge: Jiang Jieshi did it to the Communists (within the GMD) when he figured they were becoming dangerous. In 1927, he cooperated with local gangsters to massacre as much Communists as possible in Shanghai, leading to many fleeing into the countryside where they were tracked down and shot. He was right, actually; they were always planning to betray him, he just betrayed them first. Also, the Nationalists and Communists to themselves. Mao was not top dog by a long shot when he was borne carried by Sedan sedan chair on the Long March, for instance.
* TheQuisling: Wang Jingwei, once one of the most prominent people in the GMD, started a collaboration government with Japanese soon after the war brake broke out. To this day, his name is synonymous with traitor in Chinese.
2nd Nov '16 7:49:32 AM TheWildWestPyro
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[[caption-width-right:350:Yuan Shi Kai [[Franchise/StarWars became president, manipulated a rubberstamp assembly into giving him full powers, and then declared himself emperor]]. It didn't work out.]]

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[[caption-width-right:350:Yuan Shi Kai Shikai [[Franchise/StarWars became president, manipulated a rubberstamp assembly into giving him full powers, and then declared himself emperor]]. It didn't work out.]]



'''The Presidency of Yuan Shi Kai - 1912 to 1916'''

Yuan Shi Kai, called out of retirement to lead the Beiyang Army against the forces of the Revolutionaries in 1911, turned on the Emperor and used his clout as a military leader to declare an end to the Manchu Empire of the Qing. He went on to use his influence to secure his appointment to the Presidency of the Republic of China. Yuan was, though more popular than the Manchu, still not a particularly popular leader as he conceded most of the '21 Demands' made by ImperialJapan upon threat of war (which asked for economic concessions in North China/Manchuria) and later ''tried to declare himself Emperor''. Both moves were to be expected - in Chinese history, those who overthrew the previous dynasty often started their own. However, most of the country's middle classes wanted a Republic, and a democratic one at that. Yuan was forced to resign as Emperor in 1916, and died soon after. His rule undid many of the successes of the 1911 Revolution, most notably all hope of a central and stable government, let alone a democratic one. Under his rule the different regions of China slowly drifted apart, and upon his death the country fragmented.

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'''The Presidency of Yuan Shi Kai Shikai - 1912 to 1916'''

Yuan Shi Kai, Shikai, called out of retirement to lead the Beiyang Army against the forces of the Revolutionaries in 1911, turned on the Emperor and used his clout as a military leader to declare an end to the Manchu Empire of the Qing. He went on to use his influence to secure his appointment to the Presidency of the Republic of China. Yuan was, though more popular than the Manchu, still not a particularly popular leader as he conceded most of the '21 Demands' made by ImperialJapan upon threat of war (which asked for economic concessions in North China/Manchuria) and later ''tried to declare himself Emperor''. Both moves were to be expected - in Chinese history, those who overthrew the previous dynasty often started their own. However, most of the country's middle classes wanted a Republic, and a democratic one at that. Yuan was forced to resign as Emperor in 1916, and died soon after. His rule undid many of the successes of the 1911 Revolution, most notably all hope of a central and stable government, let alone a democratic one. Under his rule the different regions of China slowly drifted apart, and upon his death the country fragmented.
22nd Oct '16 5:42:55 AM Morgenthaler
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In 1921, a few dozen left-wing radicals and socialists formally founded a Chinese Communist Party (CCP) in Shanghai. Also attendant at the meeting was a nobody, a librarian from the Beijing University Library - [[MaoZedong 'Mao' something]]. At Soviet Russia's (covert) insistence they joined the GMD and constituted a full third of the Guomindang force that set off on the Northern Expedition of 1927 to unify the country.

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In 1921, a few dozen left-wing radicals and socialists formally founded a Chinese Communist Party (CCP) in Shanghai. Also attendant at the meeting was a nobody, a librarian from the Beijing University Library - [[MaoZedong [[UsefulNotes/MaoZedong 'Mao' something]]. At Soviet Russia's (covert) insistence they joined the GMD and constituted a full third of the Guomindang force that set off on the Northern Expedition of 1927 to unify the country.
16th Oct '16 8:00:54 PM Pysiewicz
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* FromNobodyToNightmare: Both the communist party and Mao went this way

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* FromNobodyToNightmare: Both the communist Communist party and Mao went this way



** This gets an amusing inversion in case of Chinese films set during the Civil War. The heroes tend to be either Communist or at least neutral. The bad guys tend to be Nationalist, using surplus German uniforms, gear and weapons, playing local equivalent of ThoseWackyNazis.
* HitAndRunTactics: Preferred tactics of Communists ever since the Long March. And one of the main reasons why they've won in the end. Mao was apparently a keen reader of Literature/TheArtOfWar, following certain tactics from it to the T.



* LetsYouAndHimFight: The most efficient strategy used by Mao during initial stages of Second Sino-Japanese War was watching from afar how Japanese and Nationalists bleed each other out.



* TheQuisling: Wang Jingwei, once one of the most prominent people in GMD, started a collaboration government with Japanese soon after the war brake out. To this day, his name is synonymous with traitor in Chinese.




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* WeAREStrugglingTogether: The "alliance" of Guomindang, Communists and all remaining warlords is probably one of the most famous cases in real life. China itself during the Warlord Period can count too, since nominally it was still single, integral country.
16th Oct '16 7:18:56 PM Pysiewicz
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* FromNobodyToNightmare: Both the communist party and Mao went this way
** The party initially had less than few dozens of members and that situation kept going for few initial years. With zero public support, badly organised, fully dependend on Soviet advisors and monetary support, and worst of them all, completely detatched ideologically from Chinese reality, the party was barely functional. Cue few years later being the main and almost obsessive target of Jiang Jieshi's expeditions and then anything after the Long March is pretty much a legend. Currently the Party is still rulling continental China and it will stay around for at least a while longer.
** Due to mentioned above early situation of the party, Mao was quite openly considering leaving it for good, as he didn't even show on the annual meeting. Then he was constantly side-tracked by each new leadership. By the time of the Long March, he was third-ranking member with barely any power. By the end of the March, he was the de facto leader of the party and nothing was going to change that. Few years later he became leader of entire China and not counting few [[TenMinuteRetirement periods of consolidation]], he stayed in this position until death, while his cult as the father of the nation still lives.
* GeneralFailure: ZigZagged with Jiang Jieshi. By all accounts, he wasn't good or even decent commander, but in the same time he was far from bad or incompetent. And his Northern Expeditions proved quite successful after all. On the other hand, his increasing paranoia, all the infighting within armed forces ''and'' the party, the constantly shifting alliances and most importantly - his staunch desire to personally control ''everything'' eventually led to his undoing, as there was just too much for a single mastermind to handle, which Chiang Kai-Shek was far from.
8th Aug '16 2:22:52 AM Morgenthaler
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* TheOtherChineseArmy: Amusing enough, more than one faction called themselves the National Revolutionary Army.
8th Aug '16 2:22:17 AM Morgenthaler
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->'''[[UsefulNotes/MaoZedong Mao]]:''' [[JosephStalin Stalin's]] first major error was one as a result of which the Chinese Communist Party was left with one-tenth of the territory that it had. His second error was that, when China was ripe for revolution, he advised us not to rise in revolution and said that if we started a war with [[ChiangKaiShek Jiang Jieshi]] that might threaten the entire nation with destruction.\\

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->'''[[UsefulNotes/MaoZedong Mao]]:''' [[JosephStalin [[UsefulNotes/JosephStalin Stalin's]] first major error was one as a result of which the Chinese Communist Party was left with one-tenth of the territory that it had. His second error was that, when China was ripe for revolution, he advised us not to rise in revolution and said that if we started a war with [[ChiangKaiShek [[UsefulNotes/ChiangKaiShek Jiang Jieshi]] that might threaten the entire nation with destruction.\\
1st Aug '16 12:20:59 AM Az_Tech341
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[[caption-width-right:350:Yuan Shikai [[Franchise/StarWars became president, manipulated a rubberstamp assembly into giving him full powers, and then declared himself emperor]]. It didn't work out.]]

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[[caption-width-right:350:Yuan Shikai Shi Kai [[Franchise/StarWars became president, manipulated a rubberstamp assembly into giving him full powers, and then declared himself emperor]]. It didn't work out.]]
24th Jan '16 10:05:37 AM thatother1dude
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'''Mao:''' But that is how Stalin's cable read.\\
-->-- ''[[http://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/112080 July 31, 1958, FIRST CONVERSATION BETWEEN N.S. KHRUSHCHEV AND MAO ZEDONG, HALL OF HUAIZHENTAN (BEIJING)]]''

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'''Mao:''' But that is how Stalin's cable read.\\
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read.
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''[[http://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/112080 July 31, 1958, FIRST CONVERSATION BETWEEN N.S. KHRUSHCHEV AND MAO ZEDONG, HALL OF HUAIZHENTAN (BEIJING)]]''
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