History UsefulNotes / NoMoreEmperors

24th Jan '16 10:05:37 AM thatother1dude
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'''Mao:''' But that is how Stalin's cable read.\\
-->-- ''[[http://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/112080 July 31, 1958, FIRST CONVERSATION BETWEEN N.S. KHRUSHCHEV AND MAO ZEDONG, HALL OF HUAIZHENTAN (BEIJING)]]''

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'''Mao:''' But that is how Stalin's cable read.\\
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''[[http://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/112080 July 31, 1958, FIRST CONVERSATION BETWEEN N.S. KHRUSHCHEV AND MAO ZEDONG, HALL OF HUAIZHENTAN (BEIJING)]]''
24th Jan '16 10:05:14 AM thatother1dude
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->'''[[UsefulNotes/MaoZedong Mao]]:''' ''"[[JosephStalin Stalin's]] first major error was one as a result of which the Chinese Communist Party was left with one-tenth of the territory that it had. His second error was that, when China was ripe for revolution, he advised us not to rise in revolution and said that if we started a war with [[ChiangKaiShek Jiang Jieshi]] that might threaten the entire nation with destruction."''\\
'''[[UsefulNotes/NikitaKhrushchev Khruschev]]:''' ''"Wrong. A nation cannot be destroyed. "''\\
'''Mao:''' ''"But that is how Stalin's cable read."''\\

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->'''[[UsefulNotes/MaoZedong Mao]]:''' ''"[[JosephStalin [[JosephStalin Stalin's]] first major error was one as a result of which the Chinese Communist Party was left with one-tenth of the territory that it had. His second error was that, when China was ripe for revolution, he advised us not to rise in revolution and said that if we started a war with [[ChiangKaiShek Jiang Jieshi]] that might threaten the entire nation with destruction."''\\
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'''[[UsefulNotes/NikitaKhrushchev Khruschev]]:''' ''"Wrong.Wrong. A nation cannot be destroyed. "''\\
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'''Mao:''' ''"But But that is how Stalin's cable read."''\\\\
15th Nov '15 6:13:42 PM Hadjorim
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When Yuan died, the central government broke down entirely. Yuan's 'military governors', recognised as such for their power-bases in their locales, went their own way and effectively carved out their own states. Some Warlords, like Zhang Zuolin of Manchuria (a Godawful governor himself, but he had some very able administrators whom he largely left alone and trusted to run things for him as long as they gave him enough money for his armies) were effective rulers, but most... not so much. Warlord rule was characterized by extremely high and largely arbitrary taxes (some collected years in advance), arbitrary conscription into their personal armies and a lack of economic development in those areas governed by the worst warlords. Many Warlords would even force their peasants to produce opium (and heroin) to support them and their drug monopolies. It's important to note, though, that warlords' attitudes and temperaments varied wildly. Feng Yuxiang (warlord of Anhui province and the lower Yangzi) acquired the moniker 'The Backstabbing General' from his own troops and was a devout Christian who took to baptising his soldiers before battles (reputedly ''with a firehose''). Zhang Zongchang (warlord of Shandong province) was dubbed by ''Time'' magazine 'China's basest warlord' and was known throughout China as 'The Three Don't Knows' because he reputedly had ''no idea'' how much money[[note]]He had several prominent merchants ''shot'' for 'refusing' (read: they were ordered, and proved unable, to control) the inflation he was causing by printing money to pay his troops[[/note]], how many concubines[[note]]He gave them numbers, because he couldn't remember their names or even speak their languages (which included Japanese, French, and Russian)[[/note]], or how many soldiers[[note]]'Somewhere in the vicinity of 40-50 000'[[/note]] he had.

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When Yuan died, the central government broke down entirely. Yuan's 'military governors', recognised as such for their power-bases in their locales, went their own way and effectively carved out their own states. Some Warlords, like Zhang Zuolin of Manchuria (a Godawful governor himself, but he had some very able administrators whom he largely left alone and trusted to run things for him as long as they gave him enough money for his armies) were effective rulers, but most... not so much. Warlord rule was characterized by extremely high and largely arbitrary taxes (some collected years in advance), arbitrary conscription into their personal armies and a lack of economic development in those areas governed by the worst warlords. Many Warlords would even force their peasants to produce opium (and heroin) to support them and their drug monopolies. It's important to note, though, that warlords' attitudes and temperaments varied wildly. Feng Yuxiang (warlord of Anhui province and the lower Yangzi) acquired the moniker 'The Backstabbing General' from his own troops and was a devout Christian who took to baptising his soldiers before battles (reputedly ''with a firehose''). Zhang Zongchang (warlord of Shandong province) was dubbed by ''Time'' magazine 'China's basest warlord' and was known throughout China as 'The Three Don't Knows' because he reputedly had ''no idea'' how much money[[note]]He had several prominent merchants ''shot'' for 'refusing' (read: they were ordered, and proved unable, "refusing" to control) control the inflation he was causing by printing money to pay his troops[[/note]], how many concubines[[note]]He gave them numbers, because he couldn't remember their names or even speak their languages (which included Japanese, French, and Russian)[[/note]], or how many soldiers[[note]]'Somewhere in the vicinity of 40-50 000'[[/note]] he had.
19th Aug '15 7:39:40 PM HeraldAlberich
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* WellIntentionedExtremist: Arguably, this is what the Communists were like before taking over. [[CulturalRevolution Afterwards]]...

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* WellIntentionedExtremist: Arguably, this is what the Communists were like before taking over. [[CulturalRevolution [[UsefulNotes/CulturalRevolution Afterwards]]...
21st Jun '15 10:52:24 AM Morgenthaler
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* {{Tintin}}'s adventure ''The Blue Lotus'' depicts the Japanese encroachment on China in the 1930s and the opium trade.
* ''A Pinwheel Without Wind'' (starring ZhouXun) is set in the short lull between the end of the Second Sino-Japanese War and the resumption of the civil war in the late 1940s.

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* {{Tintin}}'s ComicBook/{{Tintin}}'s adventure ''The Blue Lotus'' depicts the Japanese encroachment on China in the 1930s and the opium trade.
* ''A Pinwheel Without Wind'' (starring ZhouXun) Creator/ZhouXun) is set in the short lull between the end of the Second Sino-Japanese War and the resumption of the civil war in the late 1940s.



* ''1911'', starring JackieChan as Huang Xing, Sun Yat-sen's NumberTwo.

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* ''1911'', starring JackieChan Creator/JackieChan as Huang Xing, Sun Yat-sen's NumberTwo.
11th May '15 9:00:31 AM SeptimusHeap
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* ''SuperpowerEmpireChina1912'' is an AlternateHistory work that looks at what might have happened if Yuan Shikai had died in 1912 instead of 1916.

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* ''SuperpowerEmpireChina1912'' ''Literature/SuperpowerEmpireChina1912'' is an AlternateHistory work that looks at what might have happened if Yuan Shikai had died in 1912 instead of 1916.
11th May '15 12:44:32 AM SeptimusHeap
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* The latter parts of ''TowardsTheRepublic'' deal, as the title of the series implies, with the troubled establishment of the Republic of China.

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* The latter parts of ''TowardsTheRepublic'' ''Series/TowardsTheRepublic'' deal, as the title of the series implies, with the troubled establishment of the Republic of China.
26th Apr '15 2:24:23 PM LongTallShorty64
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* ''The Bitter Tea of General Yen'' by Frank Capra is about the love story between a warlord and a missionary.

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* ''The Bitter Tea of General Yen'' ''Film/TheBitterTeaOfGeneralYen'' by Frank Capra is about the love story between a warlord and a missionary.
26th Feb '15 11:18:03 PM h27kim
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Curiously, however, KMT continued to maintain close relations with the Soviet Union--notwithstanding its looming conflict with the Chinese communists (see below). Among others, Chiang Kai-Shek's eldest son (and his eventual successor) studied in Russia and married a Russian woman. After the Germans reduced cooperation with KMT as Sino-Japanese relations deteriorated in the latter half of 1930s, Soviet equipment and advisers replaced the German in NRA (to be supplanted by the American, in turn, by early 1940s).

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Curiously, however, KMT continued to maintain close relations with the Soviet Union--notwithstanding its looming conflict with the Chinese communists (see below). Among others, Chiang Kai-Shek's eldest son (and his eventual successor) studied in Russia and married a Russian woman. After the Germans reduced cooperation with KMT as Sino-Japanese relations deteriorated in the latter half of 1930s, Soviet equipment and advisers replaced the German in NRA (to be supplanted by the American, in turn, by early 1940s). \n Russian general Vasily Chuikov served as the chief Russian advisor to Chiang Kai-Shek until 1942, when he was assigned to defend some place called Stalingrad.
29th Dec '14 6:05:37 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''[[TheMummyTrilogy The Mummy: Tomb Of The Dragon Emperor]]'' is set in China in 1946, after the end of the UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar and before the [[RedChina Communist takeover]].

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* ''[[TheMummyTrilogy The Mummy: Tomb Of The Dragon Emperor]]'' ''Film/TheMummyTombOfTheDragonEmperor'' is set in China in 1946, after the end of the UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar and before the [[RedChina Communist takeover]].
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