History UsefulNotes / NewYorkState

28th Oct '16 11:05:17 PM MarkLungo
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Just as [[{{Joisey}} New Jersey]] is often stereotyped by New York-based TV and movie writers, so are the parts of New York that aren't the BigApplesauce. To them, Long Island (or "[[UsefulNotes/AmericanAccents Lawn Guyland]]") is a place inhabited predominantly by the vapid East Coast cousins of the ValleyGirl, while upstate New York (meaning "everything north of the Tappan Zee Bridge") doesn't exist. And if it does, it may as well be a colder version of [[DeepSouth Alabama]] [[note]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama,_New_York Like so]] [[/note]] mixed with every [[DyingTown depressed Rust Belt town]] in existence -- unless it's a ski resort or campground. That, or it's an extension of LovecraftCountry to the east, filled with [[HeadlessHorseman headless horsemen]] in Sleepy Hollow, {{time travel}} experiments in Montauk, and people in Buffalo and Rochester who talk to spirits. And then they wonder why upstaters want to secede so badly.

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Just as UsefulNotes/NewJersey is often [[{{Joisey}} New Jersey]] is often stereotyped stereotyped]] by New York-based TV and movie writers, so are the parts of New York that aren't the BigApplesauce. To them, Long Island (or "[[UsefulNotes/AmericanAccents Lawn Guyland]]") is a place inhabited predominantly by the vapid East Coast cousins of the ValleyGirl, while upstate New York (meaning "everything north of the Tappan Zee Bridge") doesn't exist. And if it does, it may as well be a colder version of [[DeepSouth Alabama]] [[note]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama,_New_York Like so]] [[/note]] mixed with every [[DyingTown depressed Rust Belt town]] in existence -- unless it's a ski resort or campground. That, or it's an extension of LovecraftCountry to the east, filled with [[HeadlessHorseman headless horsemen]] in Sleepy Hollow, {{time travel}} experiments in Montauk, and people in Buffalo and Rochester who talk to spirits. And then they wonder why upstaters want to secede so badly.
28th Oct '16 11:01:54 PM MarkLungo
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->''"From the Empire State Building in UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity, to the Statue of Liberty in New York City, to Times Square in New York City, the state of New York is filled with exciting attractions no matter where you look. Tourists arrive by the thousands every day, whether to enjoy a Broadway play in New York's historic New York City, visit the {{Big Apple|sauce}}, or just explore some of the state's quieter wooded areas in Central Park. New York is also home to the nation's financial capital (New York City), news capital (New York City), and fashion capital (New York City). Indeed, New York State is truly [[ComicallyMissingThePoint the greatest city in the world]]."''

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->''"From the Empire State Building in UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity, to the Statue of Liberty UsefulNotes/StatueOfLiberty in New York City, to Times Square in New York City, the state of New York is filled with exciting attractions no matter where you look. Tourists arrive by the thousands every day, whether to enjoy a Broadway play in New York's historic New York City, visit the {{Big Apple|sauce}}, or just explore some of the state's quieter wooded areas in Central Park. New York is also home to the nation's financial capital (New York City), news capital (New York City), and fashion capital (New York City). Indeed, New York State is truly [[ComicallyMissingThePoint the greatest city in the world]]."''
24th Oct '16 10:31:20 AM Morgenthaler
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24th Oct '16 9:37:36 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''[[TheOnion Our Dumb World]]''[='=]s entry on New York makes fun of upstate's lack of recognition, providing the page quote in the process.

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* ''[[TheOnion Our Dumb World]]''[='=]s ''Literature/OurDumbWorld''[='=]s entry on New York makes fun of upstate's lack of recognition, providing the page quote in the process.



* ''Series/TheTwilightZone'' creator Rod Serling hailed from Binghamton, and references to Upstate cities and towns were not uncommon. "Mirror Image" is explicitly set in Ithaca, and the park in "Walking Distance" is based on Binghamton's Recreation Park.

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* ''Series/TheTwilightZone'' ''Series/TheTwilightZone1959'' creator Rod Serling hailed from Binghamton, and references to Upstate cities and towns were not uncommon. "Mirror Image" is explicitly set in Ithaca, and the park in "Walking Distance" is based on Binghamton's Recreation Park.



* The musical version of ''TheFullMonty'' moves the story to Buffalo.

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* The musical version of ''TheFullMonty'' ''Theatre/TheFullMonty'' moves the story to Buffalo.
5th Oct '16 6:32:44 PM karstovich2
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* '''North Country:''' North of the Adirondacks lies this vast rural area, lying between the Adirondack foothills, the St. Lawrence River, the 45th parallel border with Quebec and the northwestern shores of Lake Champlain, where Plattsburgh, the region's only city, is located.

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* '''North Country:''' North of the Adirondacks lies this vast rural area, lying between the Adirondack foothills, the St. Lawrence River, the 45th parallel border with Quebec and the northwestern shores of Lake Champlain, where Plattsburgh, the region's only city, is located. The area is very sparsely populated, with Plattsburgh being a very small city indeed, and the region is in the orbit of Montreal as much as anything else (the most notable industry in the area is a factory that makes railcars and other railroad equipment for the Montreal-based transportation firm Bombardier).
14th Sep '16 3:47:12 PM MarkLungo
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-->--'''''[[Website/TheOnion Our Dumb World]]'''''

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9th Aug '16 4:04:33 PM nombretomado
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* In the AlternateHistory ''DecadesOfDarkness'' (published on the above site), New York gets split into three states within the greater Republic of New England -- Long Island, comprising UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity, Westchester and Rockland Counties and, [[CaptainObvious well, Long Island]]; Hudson, made up of the eastern half of upstate New York; and Niagara, which makes up the western half of upstate.

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* In the AlternateHistory ''DecadesOfDarkness'' ''Literature/DecadesOfDarkness'' (published on the above site), New York gets split into three states within the greater Republic of New England -- Long Island, comprising UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity, Westchester and Rockland Counties and, [[CaptainObvious well, Long Island]]; Hudson, made up of the eastern half of upstate New York; and Niagara, which makes up the western half of upstate.
19th Jun '16 5:11:38 PM DesertDragon
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Buffalo is notorious for getting blizzards that are gigantic even by the tough standards of upstate New York (though still not as large as the ones in Syracuse). The city made headlines in 2015 when a pile of plowed and shoveled snow from a massive blizzard the previous November was still there in ''July'' -- and the only reason it didn't last into August was because [[https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2015/07/31/humorless-buffalo-destroys-its-famous-snow-pile/ the city had it bulldozed]]. UsefulNotes/{{Rochester}}, meanwhile, was once a major hub of both the abolitionist and women's rights movements. In the early 19th century, the area, together with Central New York, was called the "burned-over district" due to all the religious revivals in the area -- it was so heavily evangelized that there was no "fuel" (people) left to "burn" (convert). Among the religious movements that emerged here were [[UsefulNotes/{{Mormonism}} the Mormons]], the Millerites, the Shakers, the Oneida Community,[[note]]Who were originally a free-love Christian commune -- basically Jesus Freaks ''avant le lettre'' -- who eventually turned to making silverware as a means to support the community. The community fizzled by 1880, but the silverware company remains -- it's now known as Oneida Limited, it's one of the largest cutlery and tableware companies in the world, and it's still based in upstate New York. If you live in North America, you probably have Oneida flatware and tableware in your house.[[/note]] and the spiritualist movement, making it something of a 19th century version of UsefulNotes/{{California}} in terms of being a hub for new religious groups.

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Buffalo is notorious for getting blizzards that are gigantic even by the tough standards of upstate New York (though still not as large as the ones in Syracuse). The city made headlines in 2015 when a pile of plowed and shoveled snow from a massive blizzard the previous November was still there in ''July'' -- ''July''. Dirt and debris had gathered on top, which not only insulated it from the summer heat, but even allowed ''grass'' to grow on it. The only reason it didn't last into August was because [[https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2015/07/31/humorless-buffalo-destroys-its-famous-snow-pile/ the city had it bulldozed]]. UsefulNotes/{{Rochester}}, meanwhile, was once a major hub of both the abolitionist and women's rights movements. In the early 19th century, the area, together with Central New York, was called the "burned-over district" due to all the religious revivals in the area -- it was so heavily evangelized that there was no "fuel" (people) left to "burn" (convert). Among the religious movements that emerged here were [[UsefulNotes/{{Mormonism}} the Mormons]], the Millerites, the Shakers, the Oneida Community,[[note]]Who were originally a free-love Christian commune -- basically Jesus Freaks ''avant le lettre'' -- who eventually turned to making silverware as a means to support the community. The community fizzled by 1880, but the silverware company remains -- it's now known as Oneida Limited, it's one of the largest cutlery and tableware companies in the world, and it's still based in upstate New York. If you live in North America, you probably have Oneida flatware and tableware in your house.[[/note]] and the spiritualist movement, making it something of a 19th century version of UsefulNotes/{{California}} in terms of being a hub for new religious groups.
30th May '16 4:31:52 AM Doug86
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* A RunningGag on AlternateHistoryDotCom is that non-Americans have never heard of this New York ''state'' and refuse to believe there is such a place as upstate New York -- or else think it's a frozen-in-time place still inhabited chiefly by the Iroquois Confederation.

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* A RunningGag on AlternateHistoryDotCom Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom is that non-Americans have never heard of this New York ''state'' and refuse to believe there is such a place as upstate New York -- or else think it's a frozen-in-time place still inhabited chiefly by the Iroquois Confederation.
16th Mar '16 12:09:38 PM Prfnoff
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** '''Ossining:''' Actually a fairly nice place by most accounts, but you'd never guess that going by what it's most famous for -- [[TheAlcatraz the maximum-security Sing Sing Correctional Facility]]. The aforementioned Metro-North Railroad splits the prison in two, so yes, the nice suburban commuter station at Ossining is literally in between two halves of a major penitentiary.

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** '''Ossining:''' Actually a fairly nice place by most accounts, but you'd never guess that going by what it's most famous for -- [[TheAlcatraz the maximum-security Sing Sing Correctional Facility]]. This is the prison that "sent up the river" originally referred to. The aforementioned Metro-North Railroad splits the prison in two, so yes, the nice suburban commuter station at Ossining is literally in between two halves of a major penitentiary.
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