History UsefulNotes / NewYorkState

16th Mar '16 12:09:38 PM Prfnoff
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** '''Ossining:''' Actually a fairly nice place by most accounts, but you'd never guess that going by what it's most famous for -- [[TheAlcatraz the maximum-security Sing Sing Correctional Facility]]. The aforementioned Metro-North Railroad splits the prison in two, so yes, the nice suburban commuter station at Ossining is literally in between two halves of a major penitentiary.

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** '''Ossining:''' Actually a fairly nice place by most accounts, but you'd never guess that going by what it's most famous for -- [[TheAlcatraz the maximum-security Sing Sing Correctional Facility]]. This is the prison that "sent up the river" originally referred to. The aforementioned Metro-North Railroad splits the prison in two, so yes, the nice suburban commuter station at Ossining is literally in between two halves of a major penitentiary.
14th Feb '16 11:57:45 AM TheRedRedKroovy
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* '''Hudson Valley:''' The area immediately north of the city. Popular definition holds that "upstate New York" begins somewhere in this area -- exactly where depends on where in the Valley you live. [[note]]It's often said that people in the city think upstate starts at Yonkers, people in Yonkers think it starts at White Plains, people in White Plains think it starts at Stony Point, people in Stony Point think it starts at Newburgh, people in Newburgh think it starts at Poughkeepsie, people in Poughkeepsie think it starts at Kingston, and people in Kingston think it starts at Albany. Basically, unless you're sitting just south of Canada, wherever you live is ''not'' upstate, and everything north of you is.[[/note]] When most people talk about the Hudson Valley, they're usually speaking of Westchester and Rockland Counties, the two counties closest to the city, and the most suburbanized, home to happy, friendly, middle-class white families who commute to The City by the UsefulNotes/MetroNorthRailroad.[[note]]For reference, the other happy, friendly, middle class families in the area are in New Jersey, and commute to The City by UsefulNotes/NewJerseyTransit. [[/note]]\\

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* '''Hudson Valley:''' The area immediately north of the city. Popular definition holds that "upstate New York" begins somewhere in this area -- exactly where depends on where in the Valley you live. [[note]]It's often said that people in the city think upstate starts at Yonkers, people in Yonkers think it starts at White Plains, people in White Plains think it starts at Stony Point, people in Stony Point think it starts at Newburgh, people in Newburgh think it starts at Poughkeepsie, people in Poughkeepsie think it starts at Kingston, and people in Kingston think it starts at Albany. Basically, unless you're sitting just south of Canada, wherever you live is ''not'' upstate, and everything north of you is.[[/note]] When most people talk about the Hudson Valley, they're usually speaking of Westchester and Rockland Counties, the two counties closest to the city, and the most suburbanized, home to happy, friendly, middle-class white families who commute to The City by the UsefulNotes/MetroNorthRailroad.Metro-North Railroad.[[note]]For reference, the other happy, friendly, middle class families in the area are in New Jersey, and commute to The City by UsefulNotes/NewJerseyTransit. [[/note]]\\
14th Feb '16 11:56:05 AM TheRedRedKroovy
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The main road going through here is the Long Island Expressway, or [[FunWithAcronyms the L.I.E.]] -- and yes, the jokes have already been made.[[note]]There's also a road called the Seaford-Oyster Bay Expressway aka the S.O.B. Well-known speed trap.[[/note]] The first planned suburb in the United States, Levittown,[[note]]Alongside the town in UsefulNotes/{{Pennsylvania}} with the same name, just northeast of Philadelphia[[/note]] is in southeast Nassau County. Generally, the further east you go, the more rural and spread out the towns get, with the North Fork home to many orchards and wineries. Located on the South Fork facing the Atlantic are the Hamptons, a collection of super-rich resort towns that you may have seen in TV shows and movies. The far eastern tip (which is closer in geography in a straight line to UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} than Manhattan) is occupied by Montauk, a small town that wouldn't look out of place in [[HollywoodNewEngland New England]] -- and judging by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project tales]] that [[GovernmentConspiracy the government once conducted freaky experiments there]], wouldn't be out of place in LovecraftCountry either.
* '''Hudson Valley:''' The area immediately north of the city. Popular definition holds that "upstate New York" begins somewhere in this area -- exactly where depends on where in the Valley you live. [[note]]It's often said that people in the city think upstate starts at Yonkers, people in Yonkers think it starts at White Plains, people in White Plains think it starts at Stony Point, people in Stony Point think it starts at Newburgh, people in Newburgh think it starts at Poughkeepsie, and people in Poughkeepsie will say that north of them is the Capital District. Basically, wherever you live is NOT upstate, and everything north of you is. Unless "everything north of you" is Canada.[[/note]] When most people talk about the Hudson Valley, they're usually speaking of Westchester and Rockland Counties, the two counties closest to the city, and the most suburbanized, home to happy, friendly, middle-class white families who commute to The City by the Metro-North Railroad.[[note]]For reference, the other happy, friendly, middle class families in the area are in New Jersey, and commute to The City by UsefulNotes/NewJerseyTransit. [[/note]]\\

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The main road going through here is the Long Island Expressway, or [[FunWithAcronyms the L.I.E.]] -- and yes, the jokes have already been made.[[note]]There's also a road called the Seaford-Oyster Bay Expressway Expressway, aka the S.O.B. Well-known speed trap.[[/note]] The first planned suburb in the United States, Levittown,[[note]]Alongside the town in UsefulNotes/{{Pennsylvania}} with the same name, just northeast of Philadelphia[[/note]] is in southeast Nassau County. Generally, the further east you go, the more rural and spread out the towns get, with the North Fork home to many orchards and wineries. The western, more urbanized part of the North Shore has historically been known as the "Gold Coast" due to the massive amount of both [[BlueBlood old money]] and [[TheGildedAge Gilded Age]] wealth that existed (and still exists) in the area, with names like Vanderbilt, Roosevelt, Pratt, Whitney, Astor, Morgan, and Hearst owning massive estates in the region; ''Literature/TheGreatGatsby'' was set here for a reason. Located on the South Fork facing the Atlantic are the Hamptons, a collection of super-rich resort towns that you may have seen in TV shows and movies. The far eastern tip (which is closer in geography in a straight line to UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} than Manhattan) is occupied by Montauk, a small town that wouldn't look out of place in [[HollywoodNewEngland New England]] -- and judging by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project tales]] that [[GovernmentConspiracy the government once conducted freaky experiments there]], wouldn't be out of place in LovecraftCountry either.
* '''Hudson Valley:''' The area immediately north of the city. Popular definition holds that "upstate New York" begins somewhere in this area -- exactly where depends on where in the Valley you live. [[note]]It's often said that people in the city think upstate starts at Yonkers, people in Yonkers think it starts at White Plains, people in White Plains think it starts at Stony Point, people in Stony Point think it starts at Newburgh, people in Newburgh think it starts at Poughkeepsie, and people in Poughkeepsie will say that north of them is the Capital District. think it starts at Kingston, and people in Kingston think it starts at Albany. Basically, unless you're sitting just south of Canada, wherever you live is NOT ''not'' upstate, and everything north of you is. Unless "everything north of you" is Canada.is.[[/note]] When most people talk about the Hudson Valley, they're usually speaking of Westchester and Rockland Counties, the two counties closest to the city, and the most suburbanized, home to happy, friendly, middle-class white families who commute to The City by the Metro-North Railroad.UsefulNotes/MetroNorthRailroad.[[note]]For reference, the other happy, friendly, middle class families in the area are in New Jersey, and commute to The City by UsefulNotes/NewJerseyTransit. [[/note]]\\



** '''Hudson Highlands:''' A small chain of mountains that are part of the greater New York-New Jersey Highlands. It pretty much marks the most agreed-upon border between upstate and downstate, or at least between the Upper and Lower Hudson Valleys, in terms of both geography (nothing like a big wall of mountains to do that) and culture (the suburban sprawl of Westchester and Rockland Counties halts almost entirely). Lots of state parks here, such as Harriman, Bear Mountain, and Clarence Fahnestock, as well as the [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks United States Military Academy]] at West Point.

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** '''Hudson Highlands:''' A small chain of mountains that are part of the greater New York-New Jersey Highlands. It pretty much marks one of the most agreed-upon border borders between upstate and downstate, or at least between the Upper and Lower Hudson Valleys, in terms of both geography (nothing like a big wall of mountains to do that) and culture (the suburban sprawl of Westchester and Rockland Counties halts almost entirely). Lots of state parks here, such as Harriman, Bear Mountain, and Clarence Fahnestock, as well as the [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks United States Military Academy]] at West Point.



** '''Poughkeepsie''' ([[ItIsPronouncedTroPAY pronounced "puh-KIP-see"]]): Home to Vassar College, which was the United States' most prestigious women's college (at least outside of Massachusetts) for over a century before it went co-ed in 1969.

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** '''Poughkeepsie''' ([[ItIsPronouncedTroPAY pronounced "puh-KIP-see"]]): Home to Vassar College, which was the United States' most prestigious women's college (at least outside of Massachusetts) for over a century before it went co-ed in 1969. The state Department of Transportation considers it to be the furthest edge of "downstate", along with Orange County west of the Hudson, due to it being the northern terminus of the Metro-North Railroad.
16th Dec '15 4:25:08 PM nombretomado
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* '''Finger Lakes:''' South of UsefulNotes/{{Rochester}} and southwest of Syracuse, the Finger Lakes are a series of long, narrow, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin finger-like lakes]] in the west-central part of the state. All these lakes drain north towards the Erie Canal. The region is New York's wine country, and a major summertime tourist destination. At the southern end of Cayuga Lake, one of the two largest, is Ithaca, site of two major colleges (Ithaca College and [[IvyLeague Cornell University]]) and the North American seat of the Dalai Lama, and one of the few places in upstate New York that still has a healthy economy. The town of Seneca Falls is notable for having been the birthplace of the women's rights movement. The region is also the seat of three of the Six Nations of the Iroquois peoples (Cayuga, Seneca, and Onondaga).

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* '''Finger Lakes:''' South of UsefulNotes/{{Rochester}} and southwest of Syracuse, the Finger Lakes are a series of long, narrow, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin finger-like lakes]] in the west-central part of the state. All these lakes drain north towards the Erie Canal. The region is New York's wine country, and a major summertime tourist destination. At the southern end of Cayuga Lake, one of the two largest, is Ithaca, site of two major colleges (Ithaca College and [[IvyLeague [[UsefulNotes/IvyLeague Cornell University]]) and the North American seat of the Dalai Lama, and one of the few places in upstate New York that still has a healthy economy. The town of Seneca Falls is notable for having been the birthplace of the women's rights movement. The region is also the seat of three of the Six Nations of the Iroquois peoples (Cayuga, Seneca, and Onondaga).
7th Dec '15 9:50:44 AM Prfnoff
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** '''Poughkeepsie:''' Home to Vassar College, which was the United States' most prestigious women's college (at least outside of Massachusetts) for over a century before it went co-ed in 1969.

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** '''Poughkeepsie:''' '''Poughkeepsie''' ([[ItIsPronouncedTroPAY pronounced "puh-KIP-see"]]): Home to Vassar College, which was the United States' most prestigious women's college (at least outside of Massachusetts) for over a century before it went co-ed in 1969.
7th Dec '15 9:49:06 AM Prfnoff
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** '''Poughkeepsie:''' Home to Vassar College, which was the United States' most prestigious women's college (at least outside of Massachusetts) for over a century before it went co-ed in 1969.
7th Dec '15 9:36:42 AM Prfnoff
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* '''Central New York:''' Like many of upstate New York's urban centers, this area lived and died on the Erie Canal. Today, as one might guess, it is an economically depressed area, with cities like Syracuse, Oswego, Utica, and Rome all symbolizing the declining Rust Belt. Syracuse has a college which, due to its good journalism program and (arguably) better basketball program, often gets name-dropped in the news far more often than it probably deserves. The eastern part of the region, formerly known as the Leatherstocking Country, is carved by the Mohawk and Susquehanna Rivers, and used to be the heart of the Iroquois Confederacy. It was of major strategic importance during the French and Indian War, as it was one of the main routes into the North American interior (which is why the Erie Canal is there) -- the British and French could easily attack the hearts of the other side's respective colonial empires through the Mohawk Valley. Syracuse also has the distinction of being the largest city in America to get the most snow, due in part to the lake effect off of Lake Ontario, and in part due to the Nor'easters that come up the coast.

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* '''Central New York:''' Like many of upstate New York's urban centers, this area lived and died on the Erie Canal. Today, as one might guess, it is an economically depressed area, with cities like Syracuse, Oswego, Utica, and Rome all symbolizing the declining Rust Belt. Syracuse has a college which, due to its good journalism program and (arguably) better basketball program, often gets name-dropped in the news far more often than it probably deserves. The eastern part of the region, formerly known as the Leatherstocking Country, is carved by the Mohawk and Susquehanna Rivers, and used to be the heart of the Iroquois Confederacy. It was of major strategic importance during the French and Indian War, as it was one of the main routes into the North American interior (which is why the Erie Canal is there) -- the British and French could easily attack the hearts of the other side's respective colonial empires through the Mohawk Valley. Syracuse also has the distinction of being the largest city in America to get the most snow, due in part to the lake effect off of Lake Ontario, and in part due to the Nor'easters that come up the coast. Cooperstown, best known for the National UsefulNotes/{{Baseball}} Hall of Fame and Museum, is in the hilly country in between the rivers.
25th Oct '15 7:52:57 AM TheRedRedKroovy
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Buffalo is notorious for getting blizzards that are gigantic even by the tough standards of upstate New York (though still not as large as the ones in Syracuse), while UsefulNotes/{{Rochester}} was once a major hub of both the abolitionist and women's rights movements. In the early 19th century, the area, together with Central New York, was called the "burned-over district" due to all the religious revivals in the area -- it was so heavily evangelized that there was no "fuel" (people) left to "burn" (convert). Among the religious movements that emerged here were [[UsefulNotes/{{Mormonism}} the Mormons]], the Millerites, the Shakers, the Oneida Community,[[note]]Who were originally a free-love Christian commune -- basically Jesus Freaks ''avant le lettre'' -- who eventually turned to making silverware as a means to support the community. The community fizzled by 1880, but the silverware company remains -- it's now known as Oneida Limited, it's one of the largest cutlery and tableware companies in the world, and it's still based in upstate New York. If you live in North America, you probably have Oneida flatware and tableware in your house.[[/note]] and the spiritualist movement, making it something of a 19th century version of UsefulNotes/{{California}} in terms of being a hub for new religious groups.

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Buffalo is notorious for getting blizzards that are gigantic even by the tough standards of upstate New York (though still not as large as the ones in Syracuse), while UsefulNotes/{{Rochester}} Syracuse). The city made headlines in 2015 when a pile of plowed and shoveled snow from a massive blizzard the previous November was still there in ''July'' -- and the only reason it didn't last into August was because [[https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2015/07/31/humorless-buffalo-destroys-its-famous-snow-pile/ the city had it bulldozed]]. UsefulNotes/{{Rochester}}, meanwhile, was once a major hub of both the abolitionist and women's rights movements. In the early 19th century, the area, together with Central New York, was called the "burned-over district" due to all the religious revivals in the area -- it was so heavily evangelized that there was no "fuel" (people) left to "burn" (convert). Among the religious movements that emerged here were [[UsefulNotes/{{Mormonism}} the Mormons]], the Millerites, the Shakers, the Oneida Community,[[note]]Who were originally a free-love Christian commune -- basically Jesus Freaks ''avant le lettre'' -- who eventually turned to making silverware as a means to support the community. The community fizzled by 1880, but the silverware company remains -- it's now known as Oneida Limited, it's one of the largest cutlery and tableware companies in the world, and it's still based in upstate New York. If you live in North America, you probably have Oneida flatware and tableware in your house.[[/note]] and the spiritualist movement, making it something of a 19th century version of UsefulNotes/{{California}} in terms of being a hub for new religious groups.
24th Oct '15 8:50:35 PM karstovich2
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** '''Yonkers:''' The fourth-largest city in the state. Known for Music/LadyGaga, pro wrestling's Wrestling/TommyDreamer, and a long and sordid history of racial tensions that lasted well into TheNineties. It followed the trend of many old industrial cities, though it never fell apart like they did. In addition to the usual Irish/Italian mix of the New York City area, it also has large Arab Christian and Eastern European communities.

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** '''Yonkers:''' The fourth-largest city in the state. Known for Music/LadyGaga, pro wrestling's Wrestling/TommyDreamer, and a long and sordid history of racial tensions that lasted well into TheNineties.TheNineties (they even made a racially-tinged fight over affordable housing in Yonkers into a Creator/DavidSimon-helmed Creator/{{HBO}} miniseries, ''Series/ShowMeAHero''). It followed the trend of many old industrial cities, though it never fell apart like they did. In addition to the usual Irish/Italian mix of the New York City area, it also has large Arab Christian and Eastern European communities.
24th Oct '15 8:45:58 PM karstovich2
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The main road going through here is the Long Island Expressway, or [[FunWithAcronyms the L.I.E.]] -- and yes, the jokes have already been made.[[note]]There's also a road called the Seaford-Oyster Bay Expressway aka the S.O.B. Well-known speed trap.[[/note]] The first planned suburb in the United States, Levittown,[[note]]Alongside the town in Pennsylvania with the same name, just northeast of Philadelphia[[/note]] is in southeast Nassau County. Generally, the further east you go, the more rural and spread out the towns get, with the North Fork home to many orchards and wineries. Located on the South Fork facing the Atlantic are the Hamptons, a collection of super-rich resort towns that you may have seen in TV shows and movies. The far eastern tip (which is closer in geography in a straight line to UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} than Manhattan) is occupied by Montauk, a small town that wouldn't look out of place in [[HollywoodNewEngland New England]] -- and judging by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project tales]] that [[GovernmentConspiracy the government once conducted freaky experiments there]], wouldn't be out of place in LovecraftCountry either.

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The main road going through here is the Long Island Expressway, or [[FunWithAcronyms the L.I.E.]] -- and yes, the jokes have already been made.[[note]]There's also a road called the Seaford-Oyster Bay Expressway aka the S.O.B. Well-known speed trap.[[/note]] The first planned suburb in the United States, Levittown,[[note]]Alongside the town in Pennsylvania UsefulNotes/{{Pennsylvania}} with the same name, just northeast of Philadelphia[[/note]] is in southeast Nassau County. Generally, the further east you go, the more rural and spread out the towns get, with the North Fork home to many orchards and wineries. Located on the South Fork facing the Atlantic are the Hamptons, a collection of super-rich resort towns that you may have seen in TV shows and movies. The far eastern tip (which is closer in geography in a straight line to UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} than Manhattan) is occupied by Montauk, a small town that wouldn't look out of place in [[HollywoodNewEngland New England]] -- and judging by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project tales]] that [[GovernmentConspiracy the government once conducted freaky experiments there]], wouldn't be out of place in LovecraftCountry either.
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