History UsefulNotes / MisplacedNationalism

5th Feb '16 10:04:43 PM nombretomado
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* While they don't get much InternetBackdraft compared to the Americans, debate on Football Codes tend to be pretty serious here as well. In Australia, the major sporting divide is between two codes of football: [[AustralianRulesFootball Australian Rules]] (played mostly in Victoria, Tasmania, South Australia and West Australia) and [[RugbyLeague Rugby]] (played mostly in New South Wales and Queensland). The argument between fans long predates the internet and fans of those sports from outside the country has joined into the mix. The flamewars have gotten worse in recent years, as the national leagues for each code are attempting to move in on the other code's territory. Making things even more worse recently, soccer has a recently gained a foothold in Australia and has recently joined in the debate, which has not went well with fans of the other two codes and has started a bit of a back draft with Australians not embracing it in the international scene.
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* While they don't get much InternetBackdraft compared to the Americans, debate on Football Codes tend to be pretty serious here as well. In Australia, the major sporting divide is between two codes of football: [[AustralianRulesFootball [[UsefulNotes/AustralianRulesFootball Australian Rules]] (played mostly in Victoria, Tasmania, South Australia and West Australia) and [[RugbyLeague Rugby]] (played mostly in New South Wales and Queensland). The argument between fans long predates the internet and fans of those sports from outside the country has joined into the mix. The flamewars have gotten worse in recent years, as the national leagues for each code are attempting to move in on the other code's territory. Making things even more worse recently, soccer has a recently gained a foothold in Australia and has recently joined in the debate, which has not went well with fans of the other two codes and has started a bit of a back draft with Australians not embracing it in the international scene.
26th Jan '16 12:49:22 PM hydrix
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** Monarchy in general can be a BerserkButton in less-informed areas. It usually starts with one guy bringing up that the king of Belgium sucks and that Belgium needs to cease being a monarchy followed by another guy bringing up how proud Belgium should be of its "amazing" king. This also tends to give some small debates in political circles, but most politicians barely bother. It is true that the king does get a lot of money (1 million dollars a year) and that he does not do much to earn it (such as declaring the opening of a building, signing declarations etc.), but he has a big royal palace that needs extravagant sums of money to be maintained and has plenty of activities that are expensive, which shows that his existence allows for a more thriving economy. He also has barely any political power. All he can do is select out of a few hundred politicians who is going to form the government. Meaning that he has no hand in parliament or justice affairs. The fact that the Belgian royal family in general is extremely polarizing even to foreigners (look at the atrocities committed by King Leopold II because of how he treated Congolese on the bad end and King Albert I's progressive and neutral policy (especially during World War 1) on the good end) and that some kings did show abuse their power (such as King Baudouin of Belgium refusing to sign the abortion law because he did not have any children) does however seem to do its best to keep that debate a big one.
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** Monarchy in general can be a BerserkButton in less-informed areas. It usually starts with one guy bringing up that the king of Belgium sucks and that Belgium needs to cease being a monarchy followed by another guy bringing up how proud Belgium should be of its "amazing" king. This also tends to give some small debates in political circles, but most politicians barely bother. It is true that the king does get a lot of money (1 million dollars a year) and that he does not do much to earn it (such as declaring the opening of a building, signing declarations etc.), but he has a big royal palace that needs extravagant sums of money to be maintained and has plenty of activities that are expensive, which shows that his existence allows for a more thriving economy. He also has barely any political power. All he can do is select out of a few hundred politicians who is going to form the government. Meaning that he has no hand in parliament or justice affairs. The fact that the Belgian royal family in general is extremely polarizing even to foreigners (look at the atrocities committed by King Leopold II because of how he treated Congolese on the bad end and King Albert I's progressive and neutral policy (especially during World War 1) on the good end) and that some kings did show abuse their power (such as King Baudouin of Belgium refusing to sign the abortion law because he did not his wife was unable to have any children) does however seem to do its best to keep that debate a big one.
23rd Jan '16 10:48:38 AM hydrix
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* Within UsefulNotes/{{Belgium}} there is the impression that [[SmallReferencePools there is a three-way going on between nationalist Flemish, nationalist Walloons and federalist Belgians]]. It is however way more complex than that. Belgium is actually composed of 3 lingual communities, which are Flanders, Wallonia and the German speaking region. Mentioning that Belgium has only 2 languages can already easily lead to InternetBackdraft from the German speaking region.
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* Within UsefulNotes/{{Belgium}} there is the impression that [[SmallReferencePools there is a three-way going on between nationalist Flemish, nationalist Walloons and federalist Belgians]]. It is however way more complex than that. Belgium is actually composed of 3 lingual communities, which are Flanders, Wallonia and the German speaking region.region Eupen-Malmédy. Mentioning that Belgium has only 2 languages can already easily lead to InternetBackdraft from the German speaking region.
21st Jan '16 3:28:41 PM Morgenthaler
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Added namespaces.
* Whenever NorthKorea is being discussed on the Internet, expect to see two separate groups turn up: (a) the jingoists who think the U.S. should "nuke those gook bastards" and seem only vaguely aware that North Korea is not China, and (b) the die-hard Marxists who insist North Korea is a workers' paradise and dismiss all evidence to the contrary as "American propaganda". Of course, this all takes place without the involvement of anyone who's actually from North Korea because... well, you know... * {{Hong Kong}}ers ''really'' don't like being lumped in with China (in the sense of the mainland); {{Taiwan}}ese as well. Both countries, while freely admitting that they are ''culturally'' Chinese (it's hard to deny when most Taiwanese speak Mandarin and most Hong Kongers speak Cantonese), they emphasize their preservation of the old, "true" Chinese culture in that respect. As respects other issues, they generally regard the mainlanders as arrogant but uncouth upstarts who would understand neither culture nor modernity if they hit them in the face. Also, don't even start on the reunification vs independence issue in Taiwan...
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* Whenever NorthKorea UsefulNotes/NorthKorea is being discussed on the Internet, expect to see two separate groups turn up: (a) the jingoists who think the U.S. should "nuke those gook bastards" and seem only vaguely aware that North Korea is not China, and (b) the die-hard Marxists who insist North Korea is a workers' paradise and dismiss all evidence to the contrary as "American propaganda". Of course, this all takes place without the involvement of anyone who's actually from North Korea because... well, you know... * {{Hong UsefulNotes/{{Hong Kong}}ers ''really'' don't like being lumped in with China (in the sense of the mainland); {{Taiwan}}ese UsefulNotes/{{Taiwan}}ese as well. Both countries, while freely admitting that they are ''culturally'' Chinese (it's hard to deny when most Taiwanese speak Mandarin and most Hong Kongers speak Cantonese), they emphasize their preservation of the old, "true" Chinese culture in that respect. As respects other issues, they generally regard the mainlanders as arrogant but uncouth upstarts who would understand neither culture nor modernity if they hit them in the face. Also, don't even start on the reunification vs independence issue in Taiwan...
16th Jan '16 3:28:41 AM hydrix
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* Chinese animation vs anime vs western animation. Usually start with "trope X is used! This work is copying others!" or "this style is copying!" and end (or not end) with World War II, Second Sino-Japanese War, Cold War, racism discussion thrown across the table. If only there was a Chinese/Japanese version of ThisVeryWiki...
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* Chinese animation vs anime vs western animation. Usually start with "trope X is used! This work is copying others!" or "this style is copying!" and end (or not end) with World War II, Second Sino-Japanese War, Cold War, racism discussion thrown across the table. If only there was a Chinese/Japanese version of ThisVeryWiki... You still got to wonder what will happen if you mention ''The King Of Pigs'' (a highly regarded South Korean animated film) to these people.
16th Jan '16 3:07:51 AM hydrix
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*** That said, in most countries in Europe (most meaning 'except some in the former Warsaw pact and former Soviet Union') 'socialist' is an emotionally neutral description of political views, rather than an insult meaning 'not sufficiently American' or short hand for '[[Franchise/StarTrek The United Federation of Planets]], but on Earth'. Europe as a whole is undeniably more socialist than the United States, but not to the extent some internet discussions would have you believe.
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*** That said, in most countries in Europe (most meaning 'except some in the former Warsaw pact and former Soviet Union') 'socialist' is an emotionally neutral description of political views, rather than an insult meaning 'not sufficiently American' or short hand for '[[Franchise/StarTrek The United Federation of Planets]], but on Earth'. Europe as a whole is undeniably more socialist than the United States, but not to the extent some internet discussions would have you believe. In fact, Latin America is a whole is much more socialist than Europe if you used the European definition, as it filled to the brim with workers organizations that directly intervene with the belongings of rich people for the sake of the common man. (A good instance of this would be the Brazilian MST that frequently takes unused land and demands that it is owned by farmers who have yet not had any land even if that land is owned by other people. That is practically unheard of in all European countries.)
12th Jan '16 4:14:32 PM DavidDelony
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* To many people outside the U.S., America is a country where [[FrivolousLawsuit everybody sues each other over the most trivial things]]. They don't seem to realize that these "frivolous lawsuits" most often don't make it very far in the courts.
12th Jan '16 10:46:12 AM StFan
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*** DO NOT say that Ukraine stole all of its culture, language and traditions from Russia, because the person you are talking to will tell you to crack open a history book, and proceed to tell you over and over that it's not true. (It was 'Ruthenia' back then — Russia started as an outlying principality while the very word "Ukraine" is 17th century at best. The debate is largely about who is the true heir to that [[KievanRus Early Medieval nation]].)
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*** DO NOT say that Ukraine stole all of its culture, language and traditions from Russia, because the person you are talking to will tell you to crack open a history book, and proceed to tell you over and over that it's not true. (It was 'Ruthenia' back then — Russia started as an outlying principality while the very word "Ukraine" is 17th century at best. The debate is largely about who is the true heir to that [[KievanRus [[UsefulNotes/KievanRus Early Medieval nation]].)
10th Jan '16 5:39:34 PM phoenix
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* Any discussion on an international forum regarding either the [[TheBeautifulGame Association]] or [[UsefulNotes/AmericanFootball American]] types of "football", even among people who don't follow sports. Arguments over the names of the sports, arguments over kit, all argument fodder. See the InternetBackdraft/{{Sports}} section on InternetBackdraft and the ''Fans of "That other Football"'' section on AcceptableHobbyTargets for more.
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* Any discussion on an international forum regarding either the [[TheBeautifulGame [[UsefulNotes/AssociationFootball Association]] or [[UsefulNotes/AmericanFootball American]] types of "football", even among people who don't follow sports. Arguments over the names of the sports, arguments over kit, all argument fodder. See the InternetBackdraft/{{Sports}} section on InternetBackdraft and the ''Fans of "That other Football"'' section on AcceptableHobbyTargets for more.

* Algerians and Moroccans have an odd one going. Algerians understandably have a beef with Morocco, given the 1964 attempt by Morocco to take land along their border just as Algeria won its independence; Morocco, in turn, wanted that land for the entirely legitimate reason that the land had been taken from Morocco and given to Algeria by the French--and Algeria, conveniently enough, was part of France at the time. This whole conflict has in turn created a decades-long animosity that Algerians tend to take a good bit more seriously than Moroccans, but which nevertheless runs strong, particularly when it comes to [[TheBeautifulGame football]]. Why they don't both gang up and hate on the French (a lot of Algerians, surprisingly, ''don't'', despite 130 years of frequently-brutal French colonial rule and a war of independence that cost about a million Algerian lives), who started the whole mess, is beyond most people's comprehension.
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* Algerians and Moroccans have an odd one going. Algerians understandably have a beef with Morocco, given the 1964 attempt by Morocco to take land along their border just as Algeria won its independence; Morocco, in turn, wanted that land for the entirely legitimate reason that the land had been taken from Morocco and given to Algeria by the French--and Algeria, conveniently enough, was part of France at the time. This whole conflict has in turn created a decades-long animosity that Algerians tend to take a good bit more seriously than Moroccans, but which nevertheless runs strong, particularly when it comes to [[TheBeautifulGame [[UsefulNotes/AssociationFootball football]]. Why they don't both gang up and hate on the French (a lot of Algerians, surprisingly, ''don't'', despite 130 years of frequently-brutal French colonial rule and a war of independence that cost about a million Algerian lives), who started the whole mess, is beyond most people's comprehension.
10th Jan '16 12:29:18 AM Jeropa
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* UsefulNotes/{{Chile}}ans vs. [[UsefulNotes/{{Argentina}} Argentinians]][=/=]UsefulNotes/{{Bolivia}}ns[=/=]UsefulNotes/{{Peru}}vians debates get really nasty. It doesn't help that Bolivia and Peru have held a grudge against Chile for a long, ''long'' time (130 years since the war that caused the animosity and the wounds still haven't healed), while Argentina's relations with Chile are merely on-again/off-again. The fact that Chile has the best economy and living standards in all South America (with the possible exception of Brazil) does not help things, nor does the fact that the poorest of the three lost its access to the ocean to the other to (in a war it started, but still), making productive trade incredibly difficult.
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* UsefulNotes/{{Chile}}ans vs. [[UsefulNotes/{{Argentina}} Argentinians]][=/=]UsefulNotes/{{Bolivia}}ns[=/=]UsefulNotes/{{Peru}}vians debates get really nasty. It doesn't help that Bolivia and Peru have held a grudge against Chile for a long, ''long'' time (130 years since the war that caused the animosity and the wounds still haven't healed), while Argentina's relations with Chile are merely on-again/off-again. The fact that Chile has one of the best economy and living standards in all South America (with (being the possible exception of Brazil) country with the highest GDP per capita and scoring second place in HDI after argentina) does not help things, nor does the fact that the poorest of the three lost its access to the ocean to the other to (in a war it started, but still), making productive trade incredibly difficult.
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