History UsefulNotes / MisplacedNationalism

23rd May '16 1:53:05 PM ironballs16
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* Palestinians (or Arabs)/Pro-Palestinian Westerners and Israelis/Pro-Israel Westerners are, contrary to popular belief, not akin to water and oil. They are the ''matter and antimatter'' of animosity.

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* Palestinians (or Arabs)/Pro-Palestinian Westerners and Israelis/Pro-Israel Westerners are, contrary to popular belief, not akin to water and oil. They are the ''matter ''[[NoExceptYes matter and antimatter'' antimatter]]'' of animosity.
19th May '16 3:26:16 PM hydrix
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** Antwerp versus West/East Flanders. Or as they say, [[http://www.prosaurusrex.com/wp-content/stad-antwerpen-parking.png "Only Antwerp counts, the rest is parking lot"]]. This one has many many subdebates:

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** Antwerp versus West/East Flanders. Or as they say, [[http://www.prosaurusrex.com/wp-content/stad-antwerpen-parking.png [[https://tipsvandelocals.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/antwerpen.jpg "Only Antwerp counts, the rest is parking lot"]]. This one has many many subdebates:
19th May '16 3:22:46 PM hydrix
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** Antwerp versus West/East Flanders. Or as they say, [["Only Antwerp counts, the rest is parking lot"]]. This one has many many subdebates:

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** Antwerp versus West/East Flanders. Or as they say, [["Only [[http://www.prosaurusrex.com/wp-content/stad-antwerpen-parking.png "Only Antwerp counts, the rest is parking lot"]]. This one has many many subdebates:


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*** You may think of the Flanders/Wallonia debate as being there for the entire Belgian population and while that is true to a certain extent opinions range there from "Let Belgium still be united. French are not all that bad." (The West of West-Flanders) to "Flanders needs to separate from Wallonia to get reunited with The Netherlands immediately" (Antwerp). Yes, even in Flanders itself people are unsure of the future of Flanders.
19th May '16 3:12:00 PM hydrix
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** Antwerp versus West/East Flanders. Or as they say, [["Only Antwerp counts, the rest is parking lot"]]. This one has many many subdebates:
*** Antwerp has easily the biggest port of all Flemish cities, but whenever you would go to West- and East-Flanders the answer is often "Antwerp has the biggest port, but the one in Zeebrugge/Ghent is pretty big too.". Needless to say it does not amuse the people of Antwerp to see their port lowered to such a level.
*** Antwerp (which as of now proudly proclaims itself as the Belgian equivalent of Texas) is proudly talking about how their city is one of the best cities in the world, only to get bitten back by West and East Flanders how there is next to no historical heritage present in the province in contrast to West and East Flanders, which have monuments dating back from Roman times and that Antwerp in general is fully commercial and just plain ugly.
16th May '16 10:06:03 AM PDL
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* Donald Drumpf's 2016 presidential bid in the United States was notorious for bashing Mexicans as a way of attracting votes and sympathies in the USA.

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* Donald Drumpf's Trump's 2016 presidential bid in the United States was notorious for bashing Mexicans as a way of attracting votes and sympathies in the USA.
16th May '16 9:58:28 AM dinohunterpat
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* Donald Trump's 2016 presidential bid in the United States was notorious for bashing Mexicans as a way of attracting votes and sympathies in the USA.

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* Donald Trump's Drumpf's 2016 presidential bid in the United States was notorious for bashing Mexicans as a way of attracting votes and sympathies in the USA.



*** That said, in most countries in Europe (most meaning 'except some in the former Warsaw pact and former Soviet Union') 'socialist' is an emotionally neutral description of political views, rather than an insult meaning 'not sufficiently American' or short hand for '[[Franchise/StarTrek The United Federation of Planets]], but on Earth'. Europe as a whole is undeniably more socialist than the United States, but not to the extent some internet discussions would have you believe. In fact, Latin America is a whole is much more socialist than Europe if you used the European definition, as it filled to the brim with workers organizations that directly intervene with the belongings of rich people for the sake of the common man. (A good instance of this would be the Brazilian MST that frequently takes unused land and demands that it is owned by farmers who have yet not had any land even if that land is owned by other people. That is practically unheard of in all European countries.)

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*** That said, in most countries in Europe (most meaning 'except some in the former Warsaw pact and former Soviet Union') 'socialist' is an emotionally neutral description of political views, rather than an insult meaning 'not sufficiently American' or short hand for '[[Franchise/StarTrek The United Federation of Planets]], but on Earth'. Europe as a whole is undeniably more socialist than the United States, but not to the extent some internet discussions would have you believe. In fact, Latin America is a whole is much more socialist than Europe if you used the European definition, as it filled to the brim with workers organizations that directly intervene with the belongings of rich people for the sake of the common man. man (A good instance of this would be the Brazilian MST that frequently takes unused land and demands that it is owned by farmers who have yet not had any land even if that land is owned by other people. That is practically unheard of in all European countries.)countries). In fact, many right-wing Americans were surprised to learn that some European countries like Sweden and Germany have supported some non-socialist policies like providing vouchers for religious private schools (an idea supported by the Republican Party)



** More common way to achieve the same is by claiming that Continuation War was purely unprovoked aggression from their part, and that Finns were Nazis for fighting alongside the Wehrmacht (Any Finn will immediately tell you that Finland was fighting a war entirely separate from Operation Barbarossa, only allying with the Nazis because they had no other choice), that Finland'sfears of renewed Soviet assault were unreasonable, or anything that isn't "Direct and immediate continuation to Winter War that ''might'' have gone a little overboard in grabbing land."

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** More common way to achieve the same is by claiming that Continuation War was purely unprovoked aggression from their part, and that Finns were Nazis for fighting alongside the Wehrmacht (Any Finn will immediately tell you that Finland was fighting a war entirely separate from Operation Barbarossa, only allying with the Nazis because they had no other choice), that Finland'sfears Finland's fears of renewed Soviet assault were unreasonable, or anything that isn't "Direct and immediate continuation to Winter War that ''might'' have gone a little overboard in grabbing land."
7th May '16 6:42:16 AM Bryan3on
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** If you're Malaysian and you speak English to any Malay, you will accused of being anti-patriotic, which mostly happen to Chinese and Indians. Moreover, majority of the Malays hates English language if you don't know that.

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** If you're Malaysian and you speak English to any Malay, you will be accused of being anti-patriotic, which mostly happen to Chinese and Indians. Moreover, majority of the Malays hates English language if you don't know that.
7th May '16 6:32:59 AM Bryan3on
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** If you're Malaysian and you speak English to any Malay, you will accused of being anti-patriotic, which mostly happen to Chinese and Indians. Moreover, majority of the Malays hates English language if you don't know that.
27th Apr '16 5:50:04 PM DavidDelony
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* To many people outside the U.S., America is a country where [[FrivolousLawsuit everybody sues each other over the most trivial things]]. They don't seem to realize that these "frivolous lawsuits" most often don't make it very far in the courts.[[note]]Many Americans don't realize this either, thanks to news media that happily make headlines from idiotic lawsuits being filed, but will rarely follow up on them to reveal said lawsuits' nigh-inevitable dismissal.[[/note]]

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* To many people outside the U.S., America is a country where [[FrivolousLawsuit everybody sues each other over the most trivial things]]. They don't seem to realize that these "frivolous lawsuits" most often don't make it very far in the courts.[[note]]Many Many Americans don't realize this either, thanks to news media that happily make headlines from idiotic lawsuits being filed, but will rarely follow up on them to reveal said lawsuits' nigh-inevitable dismissal.[[/note]]
dismissal.
27th Apr '16 7:35:01 AM DDRMASTERM
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* Oregon in general is a testy one. From the Oregonian perspective, DON'T say you're from California or you'll be expected to be a spoiled and rude asshole who doesn't know how to drive and doesn't respect the history and culture of the state (in the Portland area this has morphed into a dislike of people from the East Coast over the past few years, thanks to the recent Hipster Invasion, even amongst people who came from the East Coast to Portland but did so years earlier). Also, DO NOT pronounce the last syllable of Oregon like "gone" or they'll never find your body. It's pronounced "gin," with a hard "g." Oregonians are also somewhat annoyed that it seems like the only things non-Oregonians know their state for is VideoGame/TheOregonTrail and {{Portlandia}}, instead of its many other accomplishments.

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* Oregon in general is a testy one. From the Oregonian perspective, DON'T say you're from California or you'll be expected to be a spoiled and rude asshole who doesn't know how to drive and doesn't respect the history and culture of the state (in the Portland area this has morphed into a dislike of people from the East Coast over the past few years, thanks to the recent Hipster Invasion, even amongst people who came from the East Coast to Portland but did so years earlier). Also, DO NOT pronounce the last syllable of Oregon like "gone" or they'll never find your body. It's pronounced "gin," with a hard "g." Oregonians are also somewhat annoyed that it seems like the only things non-Oregonians know their state for is VideoGame/TheOregonTrail and {{Portlandia}}, instead of its many other accomplishments.



** A near-identical dynamic exists in Illinois between UsefulNotes/{{Chicago}}land and the rest of the state, and in Georgia between UsefulNotes/{{Atlanta}} and the rest of the state. And a similar rift has recently opened up in Colorado, [[http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20130607/WINDSORBEACON01/306070016/Rural-Colorado-counties-pursue-split-from-state over the issues of gun control and environmental regulation]]. This also applies to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/51st_state#From_other_states about 13]] other states.

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** A near-identical dynamic exists in Illinois between UsefulNotes/{{Chicago}}land and the rest of the state, and in Georgia between UsefulNotes/{{Atlanta}} and the rest of the state. And a similar rift has recently opened up in Colorado, [[http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20130607/WINDSORBEACON01/306070016/Rural-Colorado-counties-pursue-split-from-state over the issues of gun control and environmental regulation]]. This also applies to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/51st_state#From_other_states about 13]] other states.



* The Midwest (states West of the Mississippi river but not on the West Coast) vs. the rest of the country; due to the fact that most of the states in the Midwest are sparsely populated and consists mostly of farmland, the Midwest is often times considered politically irrelevant to the rest of the US (derisively nicknamed "fly-over country" by some, implying that the only important parts of the country are those along the coast). This of course makes Midwesterners feel angry and marginalized by other Americans, especially in the Federal government. Of course, the recent trend of some politicians to appeal to Midwesterners by referring to them as "Real Americans/Real America" ([[MeaninglessMeaningfulWords whatever that means]]) also upsets those on the coast, who feel like these politicians are implying that they're somehow less American than corn.

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* The Midwest (states West of the Mississippi river but not on the West Coast) vs. the rest of the country; due to the fact that most of the states in the Midwest are sparsely populated and consists mostly of farmland, the Midwest is often times considered politically irrelevant to the rest of the US (derisively nicknamed "fly-over country" by some, implying that the only important parts of the country are those along the coast). This of course makes Midwesterners feel angry and marginalized by other Americans, especially in the Federal government. Of course, the recent trend of some politicians to appeal to Midwesterners by referring to them as "Real Americans/Real America" ([[MeaninglessMeaningfulWords whatever that means]]) also upsets those on the coast, who feel like these politicians are implying that they're somehow less American than corn.



* Donald Trump's recent presidential bid in the United States was notorious for bashing Mexicans as a way of attracting votes and sympathies in the USA.

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* Donald Trump's recent 2016 presidential bid in the United States was notorious for bashing Mexicans as a way of attracting votes and sympathies in the USA.



** Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland would point out that the reason they ''need'' their own Parliaments is because they are vastly outnumbered by the English. Whichever party wins the UK election does so because it has the majority of English votes; there are more people in that one country than the other three put together. Once Parliament is in session, England retains this advantage: Scotland has 59 representatives ([=MP=]s), Wales 40 and Northern Ireland 18 -- a total of 117. England has ''533'' -- over quadruple the representatives of the other three countries. This means that, theoretically, all the [=MP=]s of Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland could vote against a proposal, but if just 326 of the 533 English representatives vote in favour of it, it will go through. Devolution grants a limited measure of protection for the smaller countries, but their powers are still limited by Westminster...which holds the power to abolish any of the three devolved Parliaments at any time (a recent proposal to make the Scottish Parliament permanent was voted down...in a vote dominated by the English [=MP=]s). Oh, and if you thought that the esteemed Members of Parliament were above misplaced nationalism and taking cheap digs at their neighbours? Think again.

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** Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland would point out that the reason they ''need'' their own Parliaments is because they are vastly outnumbered by the English. Whichever party wins the UK election does so because it has the majority of English votes; there are more people in that one country than the other three put together. Once Parliament is in session, England retains this advantage: Scotland has 59 representatives ([=MP=]s), Wales 40 and Northern Ireland 18 -- a total of 117. England has ''533'' -- over quadruple the representatives of the other three countries. This means that, theoretically, all the [=MP=]s of Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland could vote against a proposal, but if just 326 of the 533 English representatives vote in favour of it, it will go through. Devolution grants a limited measure of protection for the smaller countries, but their powers are still limited by Westminster...which holds the power to abolish any of the three devolved Parliaments at any time (a recent proposal to make the Scottish Parliament permanent was voted down...in a vote dominated by the English [=MP=]s). Oh, and if you thought that the esteemed Members of Parliament were above misplaced nationalism and taking cheap digs at their neighbours? Think again.



** Special mention goes to the Scotland/England feud, which goes back a ''long'' time (people still talk about The Wars of Independence, which started in ''1286'') but has been given recent fervor by the ongoing independence debate. A lot of Scottish nationalists' rhetoric comes across as less 'pro-independence' and more 'anti-English', whereas the English arguments against independence all too often become rather patronising arguments for why Scotland is rubbish/wouldn't survive on its own. Tempers on all sides are easily inflamed, made even worse by the political divide (the current Prime Minister is Tory, a party with very little support in Scotland, so the mutual animosity there doesn't help).

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** Special mention goes to the Scotland/England feud, which goes back a ''long'' time (people still talk about The Wars of Independence, which started in ''1286'') but has been given recent fervor by the ongoing independence debate. A lot of Scottish nationalists' rhetoric comes across as less 'pro-independence' and more 'anti-English', whereas the English arguments against independence all too often become rather patronising arguments for why Scotland is rubbish/wouldn't survive on its own. Tempers on all sides are easily inflamed, made even worse by the political divide (the current Prime Minister is Tory, a party with very little support in Scotland, so the mutual animosity there doesn't help).



* While they don't get much InternetBackdraft compared to the Americans, debate on Football Codes tend to be pretty serious here as well. In Australia, the major sporting divide is between two codes of football: [[UsefulNotes/AustralianRulesFootball Australian Rules]] (played mostly in Victoria, Tasmania, South Australia and West Australia) and [[RugbyLeague Rugby]] (played mostly in New South Wales and Queensland). The argument between fans long predates the internet and fans of those sports from outside the country has joined into the mix. The flamewars have gotten worse in recent years, as the national leagues for each code are attempting to move in on the other code's territory. Making things even more worse recently, soccer has a recently gained a foothold in Australia and has recently joined in the debate, which has not went well with fans of the other two codes and has started a bit of a back draft with Australians not embracing it in the international scene.

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* While they don't get much InternetBackdraft compared to the Americans, debate on Football Codes tend to be pretty serious here as well. In Australia, the major sporting divide is between two codes of football: [[UsefulNotes/AustralianRulesFootball Australian Rules]] (played mostly in Victoria, Tasmania, South Australia and West Australia) and [[RugbyLeague Rugby]] (played mostly in New South Wales and Queensland). The argument between fans long predates the internet and fans of those sports from outside the country has joined into the mix. The flamewars have gotten worse in recent years, worse, as the national leagues for each code are attempting to move in on the other code's territory. Making things even more worse recently, , soccer has a recently gained a foothold in Australia and has recently joined in the debate, which has not went well with fans of the other two codes and has started a bit of a back draft with Australians not embracing it in the international scene.



*** A special and recent example: Series/{{Sherlock}}! [[Franchise/SherlockHolmes Holmes]]! [[PunctuatedForEmphasis IS! NOT!]] [[{{Series/Elementary}} AMERICAN!]]

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*** A special and recent example: Series/{{Sherlock}}! [[Franchise/SherlockHolmes Holmes]]! [[PunctuatedForEmphasis IS! NOT!]] [[{{Series/Elementary}} AMERICAN!]]
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