History UsefulNotes / MisplacedNationalism

22nd Jul '16 1:16:47 AM Beatlemania
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* Arguments involving UsefulNotes/{{China}}/UsefulNotes/{{Korea}}, UsefulNotes/{{Japan}} and UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo rarely end well.

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* Arguments involving UsefulNotes/{{China}}/UsefulNotes/{{Korea}}, UsefulNotes/{{China}}/[[UsefulNotes/{{SouthKorea}} Korea]], UsefulNotes/{{Japan}} and UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo rarely end well.
22nd Jul '16 1:15:36 AM Beatlemania
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* Arguments involving China/Korea, Japan and UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo rarely end well.
** This is also true for some Australians, Japan being the only nation to ever attempt invasion of Australia (well, except for Britain), seizing several Australian territories (most prominently New Guinea) and bombing Australia repeatedly, as well as their treatment of Australian POW's.

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* Arguments involving China/Korea, Japan UsefulNotes/{{China}}/UsefulNotes/{{Korea}}, UsefulNotes/{{Japan}} and UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo rarely end well.
** This is also true for some Australians, [[UsefulNotes/{{Australia}} Australians]], Japan being the only nation to ever attempt invasion of Australia (well, except for Britain), seizing several Australian territories (most prominently New Guinea) and bombing Australia repeatedly, as well as their treatment of Australian POW's.
12th Jul '16 5:33:39 AM onionmaster
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*** There is something of a



** Special mention goes to the Scotland/England feud, which goes back a ''long'' time (people still talk about The Wars of Independence, which started in ''1286'') but has been given fervor by the ongoing independence debate. A lot of Scottish nationalists' rhetoric comes across as less 'pro-independence' and more 'anti-English', whereas the English arguments against independence all too often become rather patronising arguments for why Scotland is rubbish/wouldn't survive on its own. Tempers on all sides are easily inflamed, made even worse by the political divide (the current Prime Minister is Tory, a party with very little support in Scotland, so the mutual animosity there doesn't help).

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** *** On that note, many older Brits are apologetic for the UK being associated with the lad culture of cheap, Anglo-centic tourist-oriented package holidays in Benidorm and suchlike.. When visiting Spain they will try to stay in smaller towns and discover the native Spanish culture. However, the economy is reliant enough on tourism that most places will be multilingual anyway (especially as there are large numbers of German tourists/expats as well).
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Special mention goes to the Scotland/England feud, which goes back a ''long'' time (people still talk about The Wars of Independence, which started in ''1286'') but has been given fervor by the ongoing independence debate. A lot of Scottish nationalists' rhetoric comes across as less 'pro-independence' and more 'anti-English', whereas the English arguments against independence all too often become rather patronising arguments for why Scotland is rubbish/wouldn't survive on its own. Tempers on all sides are easily inflamed, made even worse by the political divide (the current Prime Minister is Tory, a party with very little support in Scotland, so the mutual animosity there doesn't help).


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** Similarly, after the Brexit vote, the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish blamed the English, whilst the English who did want to remain expressed interest in moving to any of those countries rather than staying in England.
10th Jul '16 5:07:05 PM redqueen
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** Also do not confuse Portugal with Spain. It won't end well.
20th Jun '16 10:26:01 PM ArcaneAzmadi
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*** Prior to the Civil War, the state identity actually often superseded the "US-ian" identity, as evidenced by the phrase ''these'' United States ''are'', instead of the post 1865 ''The'' United States ''is''. The best known example of state first US second is Robert E Lee, who justified rejecting command of the Union (north) army despite being personally opposed to secession with the fact that he was from Virginia and Virginia had seceded and [[MyCountryRightOrWrong he had to what his state demanded]].

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*** Prior to the Civil War, the state identity actually often superseded the "US-ian" identity, as evidenced by the phrase ''these'' United States ''are'', instead of the post 1865 ''The'' United States ''is''. The best known example of state first US second is Robert E Lee, who justified rejecting command of the Union (north) army despite being personally opposed to secession with the fact that he was from Virginia and Virginia had seceded and [[MyCountryRightOrWrong he had to do what his state demanded]].



** This is typically out of concern that the steamroller that is Hollywood will completely Americanize the franchise beyond recognition, making it generic and destroying any cultural connections and/or characters.

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** This is typically out of concern that the steamroller that is Hollywood will completely Americanize the franchise beyond recognition, making it generic and destroying any cultural connections and/or characters. Although just as often, they're simply worried that Hollywood will [[Film/DragonballEvolution just make it utterly suck.]]
7th Jun '16 6:49:10 PM igordebraga
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* Canada, seemingly unified to other people, is actually extremely fragmented internally. Many provinces, not just Quebec, have a long history of isolationism within the country itself. For a long time after Confederation, the attitude was "British Columbians are British Columbians, Albertans are Albertans, etc." Nobody was Canadian. That attitude still carries over today, especially with the clashing cultures of French Canada and English Canada. All of this misplaced provincial and cultural pride fuels flame wars on a truly horrific scale. The most unifying factor appears to be hatred of Toronto .
** Canadian joke: "There are three things that unite Canada: hockey, health care, and hating Toronto."
*** Other Canadian Joke: There is a genie, a Quebecer wishes for there to be a perfect wall around quebec, so that no anglophones could get in. The next wish by another Canadian is to fill the wall up with water.

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* Canada, seemingly unified to other people, is actually extremely fragmented internally. Many provinces, not just Quebec, have a long history of isolationism within the country itself. For a long time after Confederation, the attitude was "British Columbians are British Columbians, Albertans are Albertans, etc." Nobody was Canadian. That attitude still carries over today, especially with the clashing cultures of French Canada and English Canada. All of this misplaced provincial and cultural pride fuels flame wars on a truly horrific scale. The most unifying factor appears to be hatred of Toronto .
Toronto.
** Canadian joke: "There are three things that unite Canada: hockey, [[CanadianEqualsHockeyFan hockey]], health care, and hating Toronto."
*** Other Canadian Joke: There is a genie, a Quebecer wishes for there to be a perfect wall around quebec, Quebec, so that no anglophones could get in. The next wish by another Canadian is to fill the wall up with water.



** Anti-quebec sentiments flare up nigh-constantly over the tendency towards secession in Quebec, and the downright oppressive laws against any language but French.

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** Anti-quebec Anti-Quebec sentiments flare up nigh-constantly over the tendency towards secession in Quebec, and the downright oppressive laws against any language but French.French.
** There's also a rivalry between Western Canada (Vancouver in particular) and Eastern Canada.



* Similar to the above, there's WesternAnimation/SouthPark's [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOzG7bBylRo Blame Canada]] song, which some Canadians decided to take as "Americans bashing Canadians", despite that it's really satirizing MoralGuardians.
** Along the same vein, some Canadians take offense at Weird Al's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_TfBbR6L0M Canadian Idiot]], a parody of Green Day's American Idiot, that makes fun of American stereotypes of Canadians, more making fun of Americans than Canadians themselves.

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* Similar to the above, there's WesternAnimation/SouthPark's [[http://www."[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOzG7bBylRo Blame Canada]] Canada]]" song, which some Canadians decided to take as "Americans bashing Canadians", despite that it's really satirizing MoralGuardians.
** Along the same vein, some Canadians take offense at Weird Al's [[https://www.WeirdAlYankovic's "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_TfBbR6L0M Canadian Idiot]], Idiot]]", a parody of Green Day's American Idiot, that makes fun of American stereotypes of Canadians, more making fun of Americans than Canadians themselves.



4th Jun '16 6:46:49 PM gewunomox
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** This extends into real life, where a lot of (Catholic) Americans, often ex-pats or with Irish ancestors, often took the side of the IRA during the Troubles. Bono of {{U2}}, a born-and-bred Dublin lad, was ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day_Bombing#U2_response very]]'' annoyed at those kind of people, especially after Enniskillen.

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** This extends into real life, where a lot of (Catholic) Americans, often ex-pats or with Irish ancestors, often took the side of the IRA during the Troubles. Bono of {{U2}}, Music/{{U2}}, a born-and-bred Dublin lad, was ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day_Bombing#U2_response very]]'' annoyed at those kind of people, especially after Enniskillen.
31st May '16 7:04:23 AM hydrix
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* A lot of Japanese really have become tired of hearing from Westerners that Japan is a censorship-free paradise for pedophiles. When Censored Gaming brought up that in Japan, full frontal nudity gets heavily censored, plenty of Japanese were glad to hear it because it was a stereotype not in line with common beliefs. ** Considering the US' increasing acceptance of sexuality in media and lifestyle, censorship isn't an issue they have there. In Japan porn has to abide to obscenity laws where it is ruled that genitals can not be displayed.
** {{Lolicon}}, in some places where Japanese culture gets talked about often (such as US anime forums) it is treated as a playful subject in most contexts, being rather seen as weird rather than anything else on both sides of the pacific, but it can turn really ugly once [[{{Hentai}} the more explicitly pornographic content]] comes up. Most Americans that harp on Japan's porn industry are very concerned about the blatant ephebo/hebe/pedophiliac tendencies (all three of which are viewed as equally detestable). Meanwhile the Japanese, which find it equally detestable, do not like it at all to be viewed as pedophiles because of media like these and object those claims. It definitely does not help that Japan has a very active pornographic doujin market, even if Japan made a ban on child pornography (which it does as of 2014) it would not stop the tendency of Japanese fanworks to depict sexual acts on children.

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* A lot of Japanese really have become tired of hearing from Westerners that Japan is a censorship-free paradise for pedophiles. When Censored Gaming brought up that in Japan, full frontal nudity gets heavily censored, plenty of Japanese were glad to hear it because it was a stereotype not in line with common beliefs. ** Considering the US' increasing acceptance of sexuality in media and lifestyle, censorship isn't an issue they have there. In Japan porn has to abide to obscenity laws where it is ruled that genitals can not be displayed.
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{{Lolicon}}, in some places where Japanese culture gets talked about often (such as US anime forums) it is treated as a playful subject in most contexts, being rather seen as weird rather than anything else on both sides of the pacific, but it can turn really ugly once [[{{Hentai}} the more explicitly pornographic content]] comes up. Most Americans that harp on Japan's porn industry are very concerned about the blatant ephebo/hebe/pedophiliac tendencies (all three of which are viewed as equally detestable). Meanwhile the Japanese, which find it equally detestable, do not like it at all to be viewed as pedophiles because of media like these and object have heavy objections to those claims.claims, not in the least due to Japan having an obscenity code that prevents genitals from being displayed. It definitely does not help that Japan has a very active pornographic doujin market, even if Japan made a ban on child pornography (which it does as of 2014) it would not stop the tendency of Japanese fanworks to depict sexual acts on children.
31st May '16 6:56:01 AM hydrix
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** Most Americans that harp on Japan's porn industry are more concerned about the tentacles and the blatant ephebo/hebe/pedophiliac tendencies (all three of which are viewed as equally detestable). The latter isn't limited to porn either and the former is now more used as [[AllAnimeIsNaughtTentacles a joking device]] rather than as a serious critique or, if nothing else, is what you would believe if you see Western pornographic imagery.

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** {{Lolicon}}, in some places where Japanese culture gets talked about often (such as US anime forums) it is treated as a playful subject in most contexts, being rather seen as weird rather than anything else on both sides of the pacific, but it can turn really ugly once [[{{Hentai}} the more explicitly pornographic content]] comes up. Most Americans that harp on Japan's porn industry are more very concerned about the tentacles and the blatant ephebo/hebe/pedophiliac tendencies (all three of which are viewed as equally detestable). The latter isn't limited Meanwhile the Japanese, which find it equally detestable, do not like it at all to porn either be viewed as pedophiles because of media like these and the former is now more used as [[AllAnimeIsNaughtTentacles object those claims. It definitely does not help that Japan has a joking device]] rather than as a serious critique or, if nothing else, is what you would believe if you see Western very active pornographic imagery.doujin market, even if Japan made a ban on child pornography (which it does as of 2014) it would not stop the tendency of Japanese fanworks to depict sexual acts on children.
31st May '16 5:59:32 AM hydrix
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* A lot of Japanese really have become tired of hearing from Westerners that Japan is a censorship-free paradise for pedophiles. When Censored Gaming brought up that in Japan, full frontal nudity gets heavily censored, plenty of Japanese were glad to hear it because it was a stereotype not in line with common beliefs. ** Considering the US' increasing acceptance of sexuality in media and lifestyle, censorship isn't an issue they have there. In Japan where porn has to abide to obscenity laws where it is ruled that genitals can not be displayed. Most Americans that harp on Japan's porn industry are more concerned about the tentacles and the blatant ephebo/hebe/pedophiliac tendencies (all three of which are viewed as equally detestable). The latter isn't limited to porn either.

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* A lot of Japanese really have become tired of hearing from Westerners that Japan is a censorship-free paradise for pedophiles. When Censored Gaming brought up that in Japan, full frontal nudity gets heavily censored, plenty of Japanese were glad to hear it because it was a stereotype not in line with common beliefs. ** Considering the US' increasing acceptance of sexuality in media and lifestyle, censorship isn't an issue they have there. In Japan where porn has to abide to obscenity laws where it is ruled that genitals can not be displayed. displayed.
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Most Americans that harp on Japan's porn industry are more concerned about the tentacles and the blatant ephebo/hebe/pedophiliac tendencies (all three of which are viewed as equally detestable). The latter isn't limited to porn either.either and the former is now more used as [[AllAnimeIsNaughtTentacles a joking device]] rather than as a serious critique or, if nothing else, is what you would believe if you see Western pornographic imagery.
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