History UsefulNotes / MisplacedNationalism

3rd May '18 5:08:01 AM Paradoxic
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* UsefulNotes/{{Hong Kong}}ers, UsefulNotes/{{Taiwan}}ese and (to a lesser extent) Macauans ''really'' hate being lumped in with Mainland Chinese. While freely admitting that they are ''culturally'' Chinese (it's hard to deny when most Taiwanese speak Mandarin and most Hong Kongers speak Cantonese), they emphasise their cultural differences - preservation of the old, "true" Chinese culture untainted by the Cultural Revolution. With respect to other issues, they generally regard the Mainlanders as arrogant, uncouth and uncultured upstarts who would understand neither culture nor modernity if it hit them in the face. Also, don't even start on the reunification vs independence issue in Taiwan...

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* UsefulNotes/{{Hong Kong}}ers, UsefulNotes/{{Taiwan}}ese and (to a lesser extent) Macauans Macanese ''really'' hate being lumped in with Mainland Chinese. While freely admitting that they are ''culturally'' Chinese (it's hard to deny when most Taiwanese speak Mandarin and most Hong Kongers speak Cantonese), they emphasise their cultural differences - preservation of the old, "true" Chinese culture untainted by the Cultural Revolution. With respect to other issues, they generally regard the Mainlanders as arrogant, uncouth and uncultured upstarts who would understand neither culture nor modernity if it hit them in the face. Also, don't even start on the reunification vs independence issue in Taiwan...
30th Apr '18 3:01:39 PM Malady
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* Finns are very sensitive about things that come from UsefulNotes/{{Finland}}. Calling Nokia Japanese may actually make a Finn materialize from thin air to correct you. And for your own sake, never mistake anything Finnish (like TheMoomins) for Swedish.

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* Finns are very sensitive about things that come from UsefulNotes/{{Finland}}. Calling Nokia Japanese may actually make a Finn materialize from thin air to correct you. And for your own sake, never mistake anything Finnish (like TheMoomins) ''Literature/TheMoomins'') for Swedish.



*** Actually, Finnish-speaking Finns sound remarkably like Estonians. Linguists do consider Finland to be part of a separate language group that has been named as ''Finno-Ugric'', which in the present day consists of Estonian, Finnish and Hungarian. However, Finland belonged to UsefulNotes/{{Sweden}} until 1809 and about one-tenth of Finland's population consists of people who speak Swedish. Tove Jansson, the writer and artist of the TheMoomins happened to come from this minority and originally wrote the stories in Swedish.

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*** Actually, Finnish-speaking Finns sound remarkably like Estonians. Linguists do consider Finland to be part of a separate language group that has been named as ''Finno-Ugric'', which in the present day consists of Estonian, Finnish and Hungarian. However, Finland belonged to UsefulNotes/{{Sweden}} until 1809 and about one-tenth of Finland's population consists of people who speak Swedish. Tove Jansson, the writer and artist of the TheMoomins ''Literature/TheMoomins'' happened to come from this minority and originally wrote the stories in Swedish.
22nd Mar '18 9:58:02 PM nombretomado
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** TheOffice - UK version or US?

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** TheOffice ''The Office'' - UK [[Series/TheOfficeUK UK]] version or US?[[Series/TheOfficeUS US]]?
16th Mar '18 4:45:56 PM nombretomado
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* Chinese animation vs anime vs western animation. Usually start with "trope X is used! This work is copying others!" or "this style is copying!" and end (or not end) with World War II, Second Sino-Japanese War, Cold War, racism discussion thrown across the table. If only there was a Chinese/Japanese version of ThisVeryWiki... You still got to wonder what will happen if you mention ''The King Of Pigs'' (a highly regarded South Korean animated film) to these people.

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* Chinese animation vs anime vs western animation. Usually start with "trope X is used! This work is copying others!" or "this style is copying!" and end (or not end) with World War II, Second Sino-Japanese War, Cold War, racism discussion thrown across the table. If only there was a Chinese/Japanese version of ThisVeryWiki...Wiki/ThisVeryWiki... You still got to wonder what will happen if you mention ''The King Of Pigs'' (a highly regarded South Korean animated film) to these people.
12th Mar '18 3:23:04 PM DavidDelony
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* Similar to Europe, right-wing Americans look at Canada as a "socialist nightmare" for its famous national healthcare program and progressive social policies. This naturally irritates most Canadians, who are just of proud of their multiculturalism and single-payer healthcare systems as Brits are of the NHS, while left-leaning Americans admire Canada for the same reasons right-wingers loathe it, with many of them threatening to move there whenever a Republican is elected president. Canadians will also point to Stephen Harper's nearly decade-long tenure as prime minister as proof that Canada isn't nearly as left-wing as its American admirers and detractors imagine it to be.

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* Similar to Europe, right-wing Americans look at Canada as a "socialist nightmare" for its famous national healthcare program and progressive social policies. This naturally irritates most Canadians, who are just of as proud of their multiculturalism and single-payer healthcare systems as Brits are of the NHS, while left-leaning Americans admire Canada for the same reasons right-wingers loathe it, with many of them threatening to move there whenever a Republican is elected president. Canadians will also point to Stephen Harper's nearly decade-long tenure as prime minister as proof that Canada isn't nearly as left-wing as its American admirers and detractors imagine it to be.
25th Feb '18 3:44:52 AM JoshCarter85
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** In colloquial Spanish "Gringo" is a common term for "estadounidenses", though whether that term is (meant to be) offensive is a whole other can of worms akin to the usage of "Yankee".
24th Feb '18 7:56:20 PM nombretomado
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* While UsefulNotes/{{Brazil}}ians can have some conflicts with neighbors (particularly FriendlyRival Argentina), they usually indulge in in-fighting, since like the US it's a country of continental proportions. It's usually started by people from SaoPaulo, the richest and most populous city (and its namesake state; they have a reputation rather like that of New Yorkers), with usual targets being Rio de Janeiro (who have a reputation rather like that of Southern Californians), and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Region,_Brazil the Northeast region]].

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* While UsefulNotes/{{Brazil}}ians can have some conflicts with neighbors (particularly FriendlyRival Argentina), they usually indulge in in-fighting, since like the US it's a country of continental proportions. It's usually started by people from SaoPaulo, UsefulNotes/SaoPaulo, the richest and most populous city (and its namesake state; they have a reputation rather like that of New Yorkers), with usual targets being Rio de Janeiro (who have a reputation rather like that of Southern Californians), and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Region,_Brazil the Northeast region]].
23rd Feb '18 8:11:26 AM JamesAustin
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* Many threads or responses on Spanish dubbed clips on Youtube inevitably dissolve into bickering between those who prefer Spanish!Spanish or Latin American!Spanish, generally over which audience it was intended for, and thus how it should be dubbed. Given just how regional the Spanish language can be, depending on which continent the speaker comes from (or often even just country or province), it's understandable, but leads to a lot of unnecessary flame wars over nationality and colonialism.

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* Many threads or responses on Spanish dubbed clips on Youtube inevitably dissolve into bickering between those who prefer Spanish!Spanish Spaniard!Spanish or Latin American!Spanish, generally over which audience it was intended for, and thus how it should be dubbed. Given just how regional the Spanish language can be, depending on which continent the speaker comes from (or often even just country or province), it's understandable, but leads to a lot of unnecessary flame wars over nationality and colonialism.colonialism.
** This also extends to using translations of titles of works as proof of which one is better, by virtue of how one of them tends to have a title more faithful to the original one, while the other has some bizarre CompletelyDifferentTitle, being used as examples of the latter language's supposed failings. For example: The Spaniard!Spanish translation of ''Manga/DragonBall'' changed the name of the Kamehameha Wave to the "Vital Wave", leading those who prefer Spaniard!Spanish to answer that the Latin American!Spanish translation of ''Disney/OneHundredAndOneDalmatians'' changed its title to "The Night of the Cold Noses," [[note]]Though the movie later gained its original title back again.[[/note]] and so on.
23rd Feb '18 7:58:58 AM JamesAustin
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* Similar to the usage of "Yankee" above, there can often be issues over the term "American" itself and who exactly can use the term. Citizens of the United States will often maintain that only citizens of the United States can be termed "Americans" because their country is ''called'' the United States of ''America''; which in turn draws the ire of some from Southern and Latin America who view people from the US as haughty by using the phrase. Since, according to them, being simply located in the continent of North or South America qualifies them to identify as American. Americans tend to be rather disgruntled by this, as they see it as Hispanics/Latinos/etc as trying to 'usurp' or 'repudiate' their cultural identity, and will often point out the absurdity and unwieldiness of other monikers: e.g., "What are we supposed to call ourselves? United Statians?" This isn't helped by the fact that in Spanish, "United Statian" actually sounds pretty good (as ''estadounidense''--try saying it, it's fun) and is in common usage; many Latin Americans simply don't get that "United Statian" (like any of the other proffered alternatives) sounds like nails on a chalkboard to an English-speaker, and could just as easily apply to citizens of Estados Mexicanos Unidos (The United Mexican States). However, another term, "Usonian", used by Frank Lloyd Wright as the name of his style of (then revolutionary) single-story house (which weirdly was a [[ItWillNeverCatchOn flop]] at the time), is used sometimes to refer to people from the United States; in fact, the demonym for someone from the United States in [[UsefulNotes/EsperantoTheUniversalLanguage Esperanto]] is "Usonano".
** In colloquial Spanish "Gringo" is a common term for "estadounidenses", though whether that term is (meant to be) offensive is a whole other can of worms.

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* Similar to the usage of "Yankee" above, there can often be issues over the term "American" itself and who exactly can use the term. Citizens of the United States will often maintain that only citizens of the United States can be termed "Americans" because their country is ''called'' the United States of ''America''; which in turn draws the ire of some from Southern and Latin America who view people from the US as haughty by using the phrase. Since, according to them, being simply located in the continent of North or South America qualifies them to identify as American. Americans tend to be rather disgruntled by this, as they see it as Hispanics/Latinos/etc as trying to 'usurp' or 'repudiate' their cultural identity, and will often point out the absurdity and unwieldiness of other monikers: e.g., "What are we supposed to call ourselves? United Statians?" This isn't helped by the fact that in Spanish, "United Statian" actually sounds pretty good (as ''estadounidense''--try saying it, it's fun) and is in common usage; many Latin Americans simply don't get that "United Statian" (like any of the other proffered alternatives) sounds like nails on a chalkboard to an English-speaker, and could just as easily apply to citizens of Mexico, as the country's official name is Estados Unidos Mexicanos Unidos (The ("Mexican United Mexican States).States"). However, another term, "Usonian", used by Frank Lloyd Wright as the name of his style of (then revolutionary) single-story house (which weirdly was a [[ItWillNeverCatchOn flop]] at the time), is used sometimes to refer to people from the United States; in fact, the demonym for someone from the United States in [[UsefulNotes/EsperantoTheUniversalLanguage Esperanto]] is "Usonano".
** In colloquial Spanish "Gringo" is a common term for "estadounidenses", though whether that term is (meant to be) offensive is a whole other can of worms.worms akin to the usage of "Yankee".



* Similar to above, the very mention of culture in something that will draw the rage of many in Latin America due to calling the US a cultureless country in contrast with the Latin ones. This is somewhat justified in the fact that the majority of people of Latin America are descended from both the Native Amerindians and the Spaniards that came afterwards [[note]] this is because Spain actively integrated the Amerindians inside the Viceroyalty system, even giving them legal protection to a degree [[/note]], hence they can claim a continuity of the cultures that existed before in sharp contrast to the US, whose policies towards the Natives are [[TheSavageIndian already]] [[UsefulNotes/ManifestDestiny infamous]]. While there are indeed white Americans who can claim "one sixteenth Cherokee" blood or something of the likes, the majority or a sizeable amount[[note]]more than a million for all mentioned languages[[/note]] of (even non indigenous descendant) nationals being fluent in an indigenous language (as is the case for Paraguay and Guaraní, Mexico and Nahuatl or Peru and Quechua) or the national flag being based of an indigenous origin myth (Mexico with [[CoolvsAwesome the eagle fighting a snake on a cactus]]) would be unthinkable in the US.

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* Similar to above, the very mention of culture in something that will draw the rage of many in Latin America due to calling the US a cultureless country in contrast with the Latin ones. This is somewhat justified in the fact that the majority of people of Latin America are descended from both the Native Amerindians and the Spaniards that came afterwards [[note]] this is because Spain actively integrated the Amerindians inside the Viceroyalty system, even giving them legal protection to a degree [[/note]], hence they can claim a continuity of the cultures that existed before in sharp contrast to the US, whose policies towards the Natives are [[TheSavageIndian already]] [[UsefulNotes/ManifestDestiny infamous]]. While there are indeed white Americans who can claim "one sixteenth Cherokee" blood or something of the likes, the majority or a sizeable amount[[note]]more than a million for all mentioned languages[[/note]] of (even non indigenous descendant) nationals being fluent in an indigenous language (as is the case for Paraguay and Guaraní, Mexico and Nahuatl or Peru and Quechua) or the national flag being based of an indigenous origin myth (Mexico with [[CoolvsAwesome [[CoolVersusAwesome the eagle fighting a snake on a cactus]]) would be unthinkable in the US.



* Some non-Americans for some reason tend to get pretty infuriated when an American company licenses a foreign franchise to America.
** This is typically out of concern that the steamroller that is Hollywood will completely Americanize the franchise beyond recognition, making it generic and destroying any cultural connections and/or characters. Although just as often, they're simply worried that Hollywood will [[Film/DragonballEvolution just make it utterly suck.]]

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* Some non-Americans for some reason tend to get pretty infuriated when an American company licenses a foreign franchise to America.
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America. This is typically out of concern that the steamroller that is Hollywood will completely Americanize the franchise beyond recognition, making it generic and destroying any cultural connections and/or characters. Although just as often, they're simply worried that Hollywood will [[Film/DragonballEvolution just make it utterly suck.]]suck (see ''Film/DragonballEvolution'').



* UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar / War Between the States / War of Northern Aggression / War of Southern Treason breeds an example of this for a nation that no longer even exists. Which of the aforementioned names you choose for the war is enough to speak volumes about your opinion on it, and what part of the country you grew up in. Was the war about ending slavery, or about preserving [[UsefulNotes/AmericanFederalism states' rights]]? Was UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln a slave-liberating hero respected and admired worldwide, or a tyrant who trampled on the God-given right of a third of his country's citizens to own and use other people as they saw fit? Was General Sherman a war hero who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo did what he had to do]] to pacify Georgia/punish the south for its sins, or should he have been tried for war crimes? Did the Southern states have a legitimate right to secede, or did they betray the US? Was the "Reconstruction" era the final insult by the victorious Union, or a valiant (albeit short-lived) attempt to ensure that the freed slaves didn't get their rights stripped from them by vengeful white ex-Confederates?
** "The Late Unpleasantness" has appeared as an aversion of the above, either jokingly or as characterization.

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* UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar / War Between the States / War of Northern Aggression / War of Southern Treason breeds an example of this for a nation that no longer even exists. Which of the aforementioned names you choose for the war is enough to speak volumes about your opinion on it, and what part of the country you grew up in. Was the war about ending slavery, or about preserving [[UsefulNotes/AmericanFederalism states' rights]]? Was UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln a slave-liberating hero respected and admired worldwide, or a tyrant who trampled on the God-given right of a third of his country's citizens to own and use other people as they saw fit? Was General Sherman a war hero who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo did what he had to do]] to pacify Georgia/punish the south for its sins, or should he have been tried for war crimes? Did the Southern states have a legitimate right to secede, or did they betray the US? Was the "Reconstruction" era the final insult by the victorious Union, or a valiant (albeit short-lived) attempt to ensure that the freed slaves didn't get their rights stripped from them by vengeful white ex-Confederates?
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ex-Confederates? "The Late Unpleasantness" has appeared as an aversion of the above, either jokingly or as characterization.
17th Feb '18 2:18:38 AM nombretomado
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* Oregon in general is a testy one. From the Oregonian perspective, DON'T say you're from California or you'll be expected to be a spoiled and rude asshole who doesn't know how to drive and doesn't respect the history and culture of the state (in the Portland area this has morphed into a dislike of people from the East Coast over the past few years, thanks to the Hipster Invasion, even amongst people who came from the East Coast to Portland but did so years earlier). Also, DO NOT pronounce the last syllable of Oregon like "gone" or they'll never find your body. It's pronounced "gin," with a hard "g." Oregonians are also somewhat annoyed that it seems like the only things non-Oregonians know their state for is VideoGame/TheOregonTrail and {{Portlandia}}, instead of its many other accomplishments.
** On the other side, Oregonians (in particular Portlanders, given that Portland is probably the only place in Oregon non-Oregonians have heard of) are thought of as being upjumped hipsters obsessed with their own quirkiness and lazy to a fault, and Portland/Oregon ''self-evidently'' being inferior to [[insert commentator's home town/largest major city/home state here]]. The TV show {{Portlandia}} has not been helpful in this regard, as it is viewed as being more of a documentary than the work of parody and humor it actually is. This is the reason why the show is unpopular in certain segments of Portland/Oregon society.

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* Oregon in general is a testy one. From the Oregonian perspective, DON'T say you're from California or you'll be expected to be a spoiled and rude asshole who doesn't know how to drive and doesn't respect the history and culture of the state (in the Portland area this has morphed into a dislike of people from the East Coast over the past few years, thanks to the Hipster Invasion, even amongst people who came from the East Coast to Portland but did so years earlier). Also, DO NOT pronounce the last syllable of Oregon like "gone" or they'll never find your body. It's pronounced "gin," with a hard "g." Oregonians are also somewhat annoyed that it seems like the only things non-Oregonians know their state for is VideoGame/TheOregonTrail and {{Portlandia}}, Series/{{Portlandia}}, instead of its many other accomplishments.
** On the other side, Oregonians (in particular Portlanders, given that Portland is probably the only place in Oregon non-Oregonians have heard of) are thought of as being upjumped hipsters obsessed with their own quirkiness and lazy to a fault, and Portland/Oregon ''self-evidently'' being inferior to [[insert commentator's home town/largest major city/home state here]]. The TV show {{Portlandia}} Series/{{Portlandia}} has not been helpful in this regard, as it is viewed as being more of a documentary than the work of parody and humor it actually is. This is the reason why the show is unpopular in certain segments of Portland/Oregon society.
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