History UsefulNotes / MisplacedNationalism

27th Jun '17 6:38:39 PM GrammarNavi
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* While they don't get much InternetBackdraft compared to the Americans, debate on Football Codes tend to be pretty serious here as well. In Australia, the major sporting divide is between two codes of football: [[UsefulNotes/AustralianRulesFootball Australian Rules]] (played mostly in Victoria, Tasmania, South Australia and West Australia) and [[RugbyLeague Rugby]] (played mostly in New South Wales and Queensland). The argument between fans long predates the internet and fans of those sports from outside the country has joined into the mix. The flamewars have gotten worse, as the national leagues for each code are attempting to move in on the other code's territory. Making things even more worse , soccer has gained a foothold in Australia and has joined in the debate, which has not went well with fans of the other two codes and has started a bit of a back draft with Australians not embracing it in the international scene.

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* While they don't get much InternetBackdraft compared to the Americans, debate on Football Codes tend to be pretty serious here as well. In Australia, the major sporting divide is between two codes of football: [[UsefulNotes/AustralianRulesFootball Australian Rules]] (played mostly in Victoria, Tasmania, South Australia and West Australia) and [[RugbyLeague [[UsefulNotes/RugbyLeague Rugby]] (played mostly in New South Wales and Queensland). The argument between fans long predates the internet and fans of those sports from outside the country has joined into the mix. The flamewars have gotten worse, as the national leagues for each code are attempting to move in on the other code's territory. Making things even more worse , soccer has gained a foothold in Australia and has joined in the debate, which has not went well with fans of the other two codes and has started a bit of a back draft with Australians not embracing it in the international scene.
25th Jun '17 10:16:07 PM raziel365
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* The Midwest (states West of the Mississippi river but not on the West Coast) vs. the rest of the country; due to the fact that most of the states in the Midwest are sparsely populated and consists mostly of farmland, the Midwest is often times considered politically irrelevant to the rest of the US (derisively nicknamed "fly-over country" by some, implying that the only important parts of the country are those along the coast). This of course makes Midwesterners feel angry and marginalized by other Americans, especially in the Federal government. Of course, the trend of some politicians to appeal to Midwesterners by referring to them as "Real Americans/Real America" ([[MeaninglessMeaningfulWords whatever that means]]) also upsets those on the coast, who feel like these politicians are implying that they're somehow less American than corn.

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* The Midwest (states West of the Mississippi river but not on the West Coast) vs. the rest of the country; due to the fact that most of the states in the Midwest are sparsely populated and consists mostly of farmland, the Midwest is often times considered politically irrelevant to the rest of the US (derisively nicknamed "fly-over country" by some, implying that the only important parts of the country are those along the coast). This of course makes Midwesterners feel angry and marginalized by other Americans, especially in the Federal government. Of course, the trend of some politicians to appeal to Midwesterners by referring to them as "Real Americans/Real America" ([[MeaninglessMeaningfulWords whatever that means]]) also upsets those on the coast, who feel like these politicians are implying that they're somehow less American than corn.[[note]]Mind you, the idea of the rural part of a country being more "pure" or "real" (world-wide, not just in the US) does have some merit in the sense that those are the areas were traditions are kept mostly intact in contrast with the cosmopolitan nature of the modern cities.[[/note]]



This leads some to assume that Americans call themselves American out of ignorance of other countries in the Americas--or out of deliberate arrogance--even though the word's usage had been cemented in the English language well over a century before the United States was founded. In fact, the first known examples of the word "American" being used in English to mean "citizen of the British colonies" are found in ''The English-American: A New Survey of the West Indies'', a book by Thomas Gage written in the 1640s. On the other hand, usage of the term "American" to define someone as "born in the continent of America" in Spanish and Portuguese predates the English definition since the first two arrived to the continent over a century before the English.

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This leads some to assume that Americans call themselves American out of ignorance of other countries in the Americas--or out of deliberate arrogance--even though the word's usage had been cemented in the English language well over a century before the United States was founded. In fact, the first known examples of the word "American" being used in English to mean "citizen of the British colonies" are found in ''The English-American: A New Survey of the West Indies'', a book by Thomas Gage written in the 1640s. On the other hand, usage of the term "American" to define someone as "born in the continent of America" in Spanish and Portuguese predates the English definition since the first two arrived to the continent over a century before the English. English and the Royal Academy of the Spanish Language actually encourages the use of the word "Americano" to refer to everyone in the continent while speaking Spanish.
12th Jun '17 8:53:13 AM Jhonny
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* Similar to above, the very mention of culture in something that will draw the rage of many in Latin America due to calling the US a cultureless country in contrast with the Latin ones. This is somewhat justified in the fact that the majority of people of Latin America are descended from both the Native Amerindians and the Spaniards that came afterwards [[note]] this is because Spain actively integrated the Amerindians inside the Viceroyalty system, even giving them legal protection to a degree [[/note]], hence they can claim a continuity of the cultures that existed before in sharp contrast to the US, whose policies towards the Natives are [[TheSavageIndian already]] [[UsefulNotes/ManifestDestiny infamous]]. While there are indeed white Americans who can claim "one sixteenth Cherokee" blood or something of the likes, the majority or a sizeable amount of (even non indigenous descendant) nationals being fluent in an indigenous language (as is the case for Paraguay and Guaraní, Mexico and Nahualt or Peru and Quechua) or the national flag being based of an indigenous origin myth (Mexico with [[CoolvsAwesome the eagle fighting a snake on a cactus]]) would be unthinkable in the US.

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* Similar to above, the very mention of culture in something that will draw the rage of many in Latin America due to calling the US a cultureless country in contrast with the Latin ones. This is somewhat justified in the fact that the majority of people of Latin America are descended from both the Native Amerindians and the Spaniards that came afterwards [[note]] this is because Spain actively integrated the Amerindians inside the Viceroyalty system, even giving them legal protection to a degree [[/note]], hence they can claim a continuity of the cultures that existed before in sharp contrast to the US, whose policies towards the Natives are [[TheSavageIndian already]] [[UsefulNotes/ManifestDestiny infamous]]. While there are indeed white Americans who can claim "one sixteenth Cherokee" blood or something of the likes, the majority or a sizeable amount amount[[note]]more than a million for all mentioned languages[[/note]] of (even non indigenous descendant) nationals being fluent in an indigenous language (as is the case for Paraguay and Guaraní, Mexico and Nahualt Nahuatl or Peru and Quechua) or the national flag being based of an indigenous origin myth (Mexico with [[CoolvsAwesome the eagle fighting a snake on a cactus]]) would be unthinkable in the US.
11th Jun '17 1:20:58 PM nombretomado
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** Note that it comes out not only when the teams are playing each other, but when they aren't: when Algeria and Egypt had a flap over qualification for the 2010 [[TheWorldCup World Cup]], a lot of Moroccans rallied to the Egyptian side, and joined Egypt in celebrating when Algeria (after qualifying) was humiliated in the group stage, losing two of their three games (with the non-loss game being a scoreless draw), as well as failing to score a single goal.

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** Note that it comes out not only when the teams are playing each other, but when they aren't: when Algeria and Egypt had a flap over qualification for the 2010 [[TheWorldCup [[UsefulNotes/TheWorldCup World Cup]], a lot of Moroccans rallied to the Egyptian side, and joined Egypt in celebrating when Algeria (after qualifying) was humiliated in the group stage, losing two of their three games (with the non-loss game being a scoreless draw), as well as failing to score a single goal.
9th Jun '17 6:29:35 PM igordebraga
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* When they became independent from the USSR, Moldova's nationalists have gone to great lengths to insist they are not Romanians and do NOT speak Romanian despite the fact that Moldovan is largely considered to be Romanian with a different accent.



** When they became independent from the USSR, Moldova's nationalists have gone to great lengths to insist they are not Romanians and do NOT speak Romanian despite the fact that Moldovan is largely considered to be Romanian with a different accent.
9th Jun '17 6:11:54 PM igordebraga
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** Clashing mentalities there include the fact that the West Bank is, according to Literature/TheBible, part of the Jewish homeland, and the accompanying belief that Jews thus have a right to settle there; the Muslim belief that losing territory claimed by Islam something that must be corrected; the Jewish fear that without a stronghold and stubborn nature, people are going to wipe them out ''again''; the knowledge of the surrounding countries that, with such a strong army, acting like a terrified oppressed people ''makes no sense''; the question of whether the West Bank was Palestinian or Transjordanian (same with Gaza and Egypt); the belief of the Israelis that the fact that they've lived there for generations now gives them a claim on the land; the belief of the Palestinians that the fact that ''they've'' lived there for even ''more'' generations gives them a stronger claim on the land; the belief of the Middle Eastern Jews that nobody on either side seems to care that they never left... Each side has such a different way of viewing the conflict that it becomes nearly impossible to fully comprehend the other, much less have a reasonable discussion. It's essentially the Hatfields and McCoys on a geopolitical scale.

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** Clashing mentalities there include the fact that the West Bank is, according to Literature/TheBible, part of the Jewish homeland, and the accompanying belief that Jews thus have a right to settle there; the Muslim belief that losing territory claimed by Islam something that must be corrected; the Jewish fear that without a stronghold and stubborn nature, people are going to wipe them out ''again''; the knowledge of the surrounding countries that, with such a strong army, acting like a terrified oppressed people ''makes no sense''; the question of whether the West Bank was Palestinian or Transjordanian (same with Gaza and Egypt); the belief of the Israelis that the fact that they've lived there for generations now gives them a claim on the land; the belief of the Palestinians that the fact that ''they've'' lived there for even ''more'' generations gives them a stronger claim on the land; the belief of the Middle Eastern Jews that nobody on either side seems to care that they never left... Each side has such a different way of viewing the conflict that it becomes nearly impossible to fully comprehend the other, much less have a reasonable discussion. It's essentially the Hatfields and McCoys [=McCoy=]s on a geopolitical scale.


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* Israel and another neighbor they're frequently at odds with, Lebanon, can get pretty heated as well. Says something a Lebanese group managed to get ''Film/WonderWoman2017'' banned from the country because the film's star is an Israeli.
6th Jun '17 2:56:26 PM DavidDelony
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* Similar to Europe, right-wing Americans look at Canada as a "socialist nightmare" for its famous national healthcare program and progressive social policies. This naturally irritates most Canadians, who are just of proud of their single-payer healthcare systems as Brits are of the NHS, while left-leaning Americans admire Canada for the same reasons right-wingers loathe it. Canadians will also point to Stephen Harper's nearly decade-long tenure as prime minister as proof that Canada isn't nearly as left-wing as its American admirers and detractors imagine it to be.

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* Similar to Europe, right-wing Americans look at Canada as a "socialist nightmare" for its famous national healthcare program and progressive social policies. This naturally irritates most Canadians, who are just of proud of their single-payer healthcare systems as Brits are of the NHS, while left-leaning Americans admire Canada for the same reasons right-wingers loathe it.it, with many of them threatening to move there whenever a Republican is elected president. Canadians will also point to Stephen Harper's nearly decade-long tenure as prime minister as proof that Canada isn't nearly as left-wing as its American admirers and detractors imagine it to be.
4th Jun '17 9:12:22 PM raziel365
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* Similar to above, the very mention of culture in something that will draw the rage of many in Latin America due to calling the US a cultureless country in contrast with the Latin ones. This is somewhat justified in the fact that the majority of people of Latin America are descended from both the Native Amerindians and the Spaniards that came afterwards [[note]] this is because Spain actively integrated the Amerindians inside the Viceroyalty system, even giving them legal protection to a degree [[/note]], hence they can claim a continuity of the cultures that existed before in sharp contrast to the US, whose policies towards the Natives are [[TheSavageIndian already]] [[UsefulNotes/ManifestDestiny infamous]]. While there are indeed white Americans who can claim "one sixteenth Cherokee" blood or something of the likes, the majority or a sizeable amount of (even non indigenous descendant) nationals being fluent in an indigenous language (as is the case for Paraguay and Guaraní, Mexico and Nahualt or Quechua and Peru) or the national flag being based of an indigenous origin myth (Mexico with [[CoolvsAwesome the eagle fighting a snake on a cactus]]) would be unthinkable in the US.

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* Similar to above, the very mention of culture in something that will draw the rage of many in Latin America due to calling the US a cultureless country in contrast with the Latin ones. This is somewhat justified in the fact that the majority of people of Latin America are descended from both the Native Amerindians and the Spaniards that came afterwards [[note]] this is because Spain actively integrated the Amerindians inside the Viceroyalty system, even giving them legal protection to a degree [[/note]], hence they can claim a continuity of the cultures that existed before in sharp contrast to the US, whose policies towards the Natives are [[TheSavageIndian already]] [[UsefulNotes/ManifestDestiny infamous]]. While there are indeed white Americans who can claim "one sixteenth Cherokee" blood or something of the likes, the majority or a sizeable amount of (even non indigenous descendant) nationals being fluent in an indigenous language (as is the case for Paraguay and Guaraní, Mexico and Nahualt or Quechua Peru and Peru) Quechua) or the national flag being based of an indigenous origin myth (Mexico with [[CoolvsAwesome the eagle fighting a snake on a cactus]]) would be unthinkable in the US.
4th Jun '17 9:11:30 PM raziel365
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* Similar to above, the very mention of culture in something that will draw the rage of many in Latin America due to calling the US a cultureless country in contrast with the Latin ones. This is somewhat justified in the fact that the majority of people of Latin America are descended from both the Native Amerindians and the Spaniards that came afterwards [[note]] this is because Spain actively integrated the Amerindians inside the Viceroyalty system, even giving them legal protection to a degree [[/note]], hence they can claim a continuity of the cultures that existed before in sharp contrast to the US, whose policies towards the Natives are [[TheSavageIndian already]] [[UsefulNotes/ManifestDestiny infamous]]. While there are indeed white Americans who can claim "one sixteenth Cherokee" blood or something of the likes, the majority of (even non indigenous descendant) nationals being fluent in an indigenous language (as is the case for Peru and Guaraní) or the national flag being based of an indigenous origin myth (Mexico with [[CoolvsAwesome the eagle fighting a snake on a cactus]]) would be unthinkable in the US.

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* Similar to above, the very mention of culture in something that will draw the rage of many in Latin America due to calling the US a cultureless country in contrast with the Latin ones. This is somewhat justified in the fact that the majority of people of Latin America are descended from both the Native Amerindians and the Spaniards that came afterwards [[note]] this is because Spain actively integrated the Amerindians inside the Viceroyalty system, even giving them legal protection to a degree [[/note]], hence they can claim a continuity of the cultures that existed before in sharp contrast to the US, whose policies towards the Natives are [[TheSavageIndian already]] [[UsefulNotes/ManifestDestiny infamous]]. While there are indeed white Americans who can claim "one sixteenth Cherokee" blood or something of the likes, the majority or a sizeable amount of (even non indigenous descendant) nationals being fluent in an indigenous language (as is the case for Peru Paraguay and Guaraní) Guaraní, Mexico and Nahualt or Quechua and Peru) or the national flag being based of an indigenous origin myth (Mexico with [[CoolvsAwesome the eagle fighting a snake on a cactus]]) would be unthinkable in the US.
3rd Jun '17 11:42:44 AM nombretomado
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** WhoseLineIsItAnyway - UK version or US?

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** WhoseLineIsItAnyway ''Series/WhoseLineIsItAnyway'' - UK version or US?
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