History UsefulNotes / LackOfEmpathy

21st Jun '16 6:06:02 PM Gregzilla
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You know how we said people with ASPD and sociopathy were the same thing? [[ILied That's kinda only true]] FromACertainPointOfView. Publicly, sociopaths, psychopaths, and people with ASPD are thought of as the same thing. Officially, there is a distinction, albeit a very blurry and not entirely consistent one.\\

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You know how we said people with ASPD and sociopathy were the same thing? [[ILied [[LiesToChildren That's kinda only true]] FromACertainPointOfView.only]] MetaphoricallyTrue. Publicly, sociopaths, psychopaths, and people with ASPD are thought of as the same thing. Officially, there is a distinction, albeit a very blurry and not entirely consistent one.\\
12th Jun '16 1:53:20 PM MasterofGalaxies4628
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Several real-world mental disorders are associated with a LackOfEmpathy. The real-world situation informs fiction but neither really mirrors the other.

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Several real-world mental disorders are associated with a LackOfEmpathy. The real-world situation informs fiction fiction, but neither really mirrors the other.



Bipolar disorder is a mood disorder in which people have [[MoodSwinger mood swings]], but unlike with what is popularly assumed, they go from "normal" to mania to depression with each mood lasting for extended periods of time, commonly weeks or months.\\

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Bipolar disorder is a mood disorder in which people have [[MoodSwinger mood swings]], {{mood swing|er}}s, but unlike with what is popularly assumed, they go from "normal" to mania to depression with each mood lasting for extended periods of time, commonly weeks or months.\\



The LackOfEmpathy trope refers to this type of empathy.

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The LackOfEmpathy trope refers to the lack of this type of empathy.



While sociopaths have a degree of overlap with narcissists and the like, the difference is that the Sociopath won't take it personally if you humiliate him and kick him out. The only reason he'll stay in somebody's life is because that person is gullible (or he classes that person as gullible) and there's no need to reinvent the wheel. For example, while narcissists usually see themselves above other people, when in doubt they [[NotSoAboveItAll want those very "lowly others" to take care of their needs and wants]]. Sociopaths will simply ''take'' what they need or want. Narcissists are still bound by emotional, moral, and conscientious weaknesses, such as love or guilt, and when cornered, are far more easy to [[BreakTheHaughty be punished]]. Sociopaths [[TheUnfettered can easily disregard such weaknesses on the go]], and simple punishment usually does not work on them.

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While sociopaths have a degree of overlap with narcissists and the like, the difference is that the Sociopath won't take it personally if you humiliate him and kick him out. The only reason he'll stay in somebody's life is because that person is gullible (or he classes that person as gullible) and there's no need to reinvent the wheel. For example, while narcissists usually see themselves above other people, when in doubt push comes to shove, they [[NotSoAboveItAll want those very "lowly others" to take care of their needs and wants]]. Sociopaths Sociopaths, by contrast, will simply ''take'' what they need or want. Narcissists are still bound by emotional, moral, and conscientious weaknesses, such as love or guilt, and when cornered, are far more easy to [[BreakTheHaughty be punished]].punish]]. Sociopaths [[TheUnfettered can easily disregard such weaknesses on the go]], and simple punishment usually does not work on them.



You know how we said people ASPD and sociopathy were the same thing? [[ILied That's kinda only true]] FromACertainPointOfView. Publicly, sociopaths, psychopaths, and people with ASPD are thought of as the same thing. Officially, there is a distinction, albeit a very blurry and not entirely consistent one.\\

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You know how we said people with ASPD and sociopathy were the same thing? [[ILied That's kinda only true]] FromACertainPointOfView. Publicly, sociopaths, psychopaths, and people with ASPD are thought of as the same thing. Officially, there is a distinction, albeit a very blurry and not entirely consistent one.\\



ASPD is the DSM's answer to psychopathy and was established out of concern that the diagnostic criteria of the psychopathic personality was too subjective. Because personality characteristics cannot be assessed objectively, ASPD diagnostic criteria disregards most of them and instead is based predominantly on the presence of a consistent, long-lasting pattern of antisocial behavior. As chronic antisocial behavior is not exclusive to a single disposition, this means that the diagnosis of ASPD covers a significantly larger population than that of a psychopathic personality -- most psychopaths fit the criteria for ASPD, but most people with ASPD would not be considered psychopaths according to the PLC-R.\\

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ASPD is the DSM's answer to psychopathy and was established out of concern that the diagnostic criteria of the psychopathic personality was too subjective.[[YMMV/HomePage subjective]]. Because personality characteristics cannot be assessed objectively, ASPD diagnostic criteria disregards most of them and instead is based predominantly on the presence of a consistent, long-lasting pattern of antisocial behavior. As chronic antisocial behavior is not exclusive to a single disposition, this means that the diagnosis of ASPD covers a significantly larger population than that of a psychopathic personality -- most psychopaths fit the criteria for ASPD, but most people with ASPD would not be considered psychopaths according to the PLC-R.\\
8th Jul '15 12:58:09 PM Zoorteg
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Schizophrenia is a severe mental disorder where people have difficulty distinguishing between what's real and what's not. Obviously, everyone associates this disorder with the always popular symptoms of {{Hallucinations}}, HearingVoices, delusions, [[TheSchizophreniaConspiracy paranoia]], and disorganized thinking and speech. Less known, though, are other emotional symptoms such as flat expression, lack of emotions, motivation, interest in relationships, and empathy. Like schizoids, these characteristics make them incapable to relate but unlike SPD, it's made even harder by the fact that they also lack cognitive empathy, having severe impairments in social cognitive tasks.\\

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Schizophrenia is a severe mental disorder where people have difficulty distinguishing between what's real and what's not. Obviously, everyone associates this disorder with the always popular symptoms of {{Hallucinations}}, HearingVoices, delusions, [[TheSchizophreniaConspiracy paranoia]], and disorganized thinking and speech. Less known, though, are other emotional symptoms such as flat expression, expression and lack of emotions, motivation, interest in relationships, and empathy. Like schizoids, these characteristics make them incapable to relate but unlike SPD, it's made even harder by the fact that they also lack cognitive empathy, having severe impairments in social cognitive tasks.\\
8th Jul '15 9:56:13 AM Zoorteg
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Schizoids are perfectly capable of reading other people (if bothered) and even able to understand their perspective in a rational way, but is hard for them to feel for others when they don't have much feelings to begin with, which makes them extremely detached from others, including family. Adding to this, they also have an aversion and/or inability to express the feelings they do have, so even when they do care, [[TheStoic they will still appear cold and indifferent]].\\

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Schizoids are perfectly capable of reading other people (if bothered) and even able to understand their perspective in a rational way, but is hard for them to feel for others when they don't have much feelings to begin with, which makes them extremely detached from others, including family. Adding to this, they also have an aversion and/or inability to express the feelings they do have, so even when they do care, [[TheStoic they will still appear cold and indifferent]].indifferent]], since even in the cases when a Schizoid patient may be perfectly able to '''feel''' emotions, they are often unable to pin down '''which''' emotion(s) they're feeling at a particular time, and be unable to put it into words (a symptom known clinically as ''alexithymia'' [[note]]The initial A is a prefix, and the 'lexi' part is from the same root as that of the word "lexicon"[[/note]]) and not know how to '''express''' what they are feeling, be it verbally or nonverbally.\\



It's important to note that while schizoids don't have much emotions and don't care about others, they're not dangerous and can have a strong moral code. Unfortunately, quiet, aloof [[LonersAreFreaks loners and asocial people]] in general are often seen with suspicion and accused of being psychopaths or time bombs ready to explode when in reality schizoids (who are the most extreme version of loners) are very cool-headed and also lack motivation, so going out of their way to harm others would be seen as unnecessary work that wouldn't reward them in any way. In fact, [[ExtremeDoormat they care so little about everything, including themselves]], that they're more prone to be a victim than a predator. In short, even in the cases when a Schizoid patient may be perfectly able to '''feel''' emotions, they are often unable to pin down '''which''' emotion(s) they're feeling at a particular time, and be unable to put it into words (a symptom known clinically as ''alexithymia''. The initial A is a prefix, and the 'lexi' part is from the same root as that of the word "lexicon") and not know how to '''express''' what they are feeling, be it verbally or nonverbally. Also important [[IThoughtItMeant is not to confuse schizoid with schizophrenia, even if they sound similar]], and while SPD is considered to be in the schizophrenia spectrum because they share some of the characteristics mentioned above, schizoids don't suffer from hallucinations, delusions, and the like (see below).

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It's important to note that while schizoids don't have much emotions and don't care about others, they're not dangerous and can have a strong moral code. Unfortunately, quiet, aloof [[LonersAreFreaks loners and asocial people]] in general are often seen with suspicion and accused of being psychopaths or time bombs ready to explode when in reality schizoids (who are the most extreme version of loners) are very cool-headed and also lack motivation, so going out of their way to harm others would be seen as unnecessary work that wouldn't reward them in any way. In fact, [[ExtremeDoormat they care so little about everything, including themselves]], that they're more prone to be a victim than a predator. In short, even in the cases when a Schizoid patient may be perfectly able to '''feel''' emotions, they are often unable to pin down '''which''' emotion(s) they're feeling at a particular time, and be unable to put it into words (a symptom known clinically as ''alexithymia''. The initial A is a prefix, and the 'lexi' part is from the same root as that of the word "lexicon") and not know how to '''express''' what they are feeling, be it verbally or nonverbally. Also important [[IThoughtItMeant is not to confuse schizoid with schizophrenia, even if they sound similar]], and while SPD is considered to be in the schizophrenia spectrum because they share some of the characteristics mentioned above, schizoids don't suffer from hallucinations, delusions, and the like (see below).
3rd Jul '15 1:17:14 AM Niria
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Those with UsefulNotes/AspergersSyndrome and other autism spectrum disorders have difficulty consciously recognizing nonverbal language, but usually have compassionate empathy. Meaning that they share in others' emotions as easily, if not moreso, than average, in particular, feeling pain.\\

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Those with UsefulNotes/AspergersSyndrome and other autism spectrum disorders have difficulty consciously recognizing nonverbal language, but usually have compassionate empathy. Meaning that normal-- sometimes above normal-- empathy for those whose emotions they can discern. In other words, generally when they figure out what others are feeling, they share in others' emotions as easily, if not moreso, more easily, than average, in particular, average: particularly, feeling others' pain.\\



Another problem is that even when they share in others' emotions, they are still unsure on how they are supposed to react and have problems coming up with an adequate response. They commonly have more-intense emotions than normal people as well, though not to the same degree as Borderline personalities.

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Another problem those with Asperger's have is that even when they share in others' emotions, they are still unsure on how they are supposed to react and have problems coming up with an adequate response. They commonly have more-intense emotions than normal other people as well, though not to the same degree as Borderline personalities.
2nd Jul '15 10:11:20 PM SpectralTime
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Those with UsefulNotes/AspergersSyndrome and other autism spectrum disorders have difficulty consciously recognizing nonverbal language, but usually have compassionate empathy. Meaning that they share in others' emotions as easily, if not moreso, than average. In particular, feeling pain.\\

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Those with UsefulNotes/AspergersSyndrome and other autism spectrum disorders have difficulty consciously recognizing nonverbal language, but usually have compassionate empathy. Meaning that they share in others' emotions as easily, if not moreso, than average. In average, in particular, feeling pain.\\



Another problem is that even when they share in others' emotions, they are still unsure on how they are supposed to react and have problems coming up with an adequate response.

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Another problem is that even when they share in others' emotions, they are still unsure on how they are supposed to react and have problems coming up with an adequate response.
response. They commonly have more-intense emotions than normal people as well, though not to the same degree as Borderline personalities.
24th May '15 2:18:31 PM StevieC
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It's important to note that while schizoids don't have much emotions and don't care about others, they're not dangerous and can have a strong moral code. Unfortunately, quiet, aloof [[LonersAreFreaks loners and asocial people]] in general are often seen with suspicion and accused of being psychopaths or time bombs ready to explode when in reality schizoids (who are the most extreme version of loners) are very cool-headed and also lack motivation, so going out of their way to harm others would be seen as unnecessary work that wouldn't reward them in any way. In fact, [[ExtremeDoormat they care so little about everything, including themselves]], that they're more prone to be a victim than a predator. In short, even in the cases when a Schizoid patient may be perfectly able to '''feel''' emotions, they are often unable to pin down '''which''' emotion(s) they're feeling at a particular time, and be unable to put it into words (a symptom known clinically as ''alexithymia'') and not know how to '''express''' what they are feeling, be it verbally or nonverbally. The initial A is a prefix, and the 'lexi' part is from the same root as that of the word "lexicon") Also important [[IThoughtItMeant is not to confuse schizoid with schizophrenia, even if they sound similar]], and while SPD is considered to be in the schizophrenia spectrum because they share some of the characteristics mentioned above, schizoids don't suffer from hallucinations, delusions, and the like (see below).

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It's important to note that while schizoids don't have much emotions and don't care about others, they're not dangerous and can have a strong moral code. Unfortunately, quiet, aloof [[LonersAreFreaks loners and asocial people]] in general are often seen with suspicion and accused of being psychopaths or time bombs ready to explode when in reality schizoids (who are the most extreme version of loners) are very cool-headed and also lack motivation, so going out of their way to harm others would be seen as unnecessary work that wouldn't reward them in any way. In fact, [[ExtremeDoormat they care so little about everything, including themselves]], that they're more prone to be a victim than a predator. In short, even in the cases when a Schizoid patient may be perfectly able to '''feel''' emotions, they are often unable to pin down '''which''' emotion(s) they're feeling at a particular time, and be unable to put it into words (a symptom known clinically as ''alexithymia'') and not know how to '''express''' what they are feeling, be it verbally or nonverbally. ''alexithymia''. The initial A is a prefix, and the 'lexi' part is from the same root as that of the word "lexicon") and not know how to '''express''' what they are feeling, be it verbally or nonverbally. Also important [[IThoughtItMeant is not to confuse schizoid with schizophrenia, even if they sound similar]], and while SPD is considered to be in the schizophrenia spectrum because they share some of the characteristics mentioned above, schizoids don't suffer from hallucinations, delusions, and the like (see below).
24th May '15 2:17:41 PM StevieC
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It's important to note that while schizoids don't have much emotions and don't care about others, they're not dangerous and can have a strong moral code. Unfortunately, quiet, aloof [[LonersAreFreaks loners and asocial people]] in general are often seen with suspicion and accused of being psychopaths or time bombs ready to explode when in reality schizoids (who are the most extreme version of loners) are very cool-headed and also lack motivation, so going out of their way to harm others would be seen as unnecessary work that wouldn't reward them in any way. In fact, [[ExtremeDoormat they care so little about everything, including themselves]], that they're more prone to be a victim than a predator. Also important [[IThoughtItMeant is not to confuse schizoid with schizophrenia, even if they sound similar]], and while SPD is considered to be in the schizophrenia spectrum because they share some of the characteristics mentioned above, schizoids don't suffer from hallucinations, delusions, and the like (see below).

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It's important to note that while schizoids don't have much emotions and don't care about others, they're not dangerous and can have a strong moral code. Unfortunately, quiet, aloof [[LonersAreFreaks loners and asocial people]] in general are often seen with suspicion and accused of being psychopaths or time bombs ready to explode when in reality schizoids (who are the most extreme version of loners) are very cool-headed and also lack motivation, so going out of their way to harm others would be seen as unnecessary work that wouldn't reward them in any way. In fact, [[ExtremeDoormat they care so little about everything, including themselves]], that they're more prone to be a victim than a predator. In short, even in the cases when a Schizoid patient may be perfectly able to '''feel''' emotions, they are often unable to pin down '''which''' emotion(s) they're feeling at a particular time, and be unable to put it into words (a symptom known clinically as ''alexithymia'') and not know how to '''express''' what they are feeling, be it verbally or nonverbally. The initial A is a prefix, and the 'lexi' part is from the same root as that of the word "lexicon") Also important [[IThoughtItMeant is not to confuse schizoid with schizophrenia, even if they sound similar]], and while SPD is considered to be in the schizophrenia spectrum because they share some of the characteristics mentioned above, schizoids don't suffer from hallucinations, delusions, and the like (see below).
4th Apr '15 6:37:52 AM FlameLightFleeNight
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''Please note that there seems to be very little consensus on what the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath actually IS. Don't be suprised if you run into a definition that contradicts what has been said here. (And then something else that contradicts THAT definition. ect. ect.)''

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''Please note that there seems to be very little consensus on what the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath actually IS. Don't be suprised if you run into a definition that contradicts what has been said here. (And then something else that contradicts THAT definition. ect. ect.definition, etc.)''
6th Jan '15 3:15:44 AM arrgh
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Despite the criminal justice system's treatment of premeditated murder in favor of crimes of passion, it is important to note that all people without emotions are ''not'' serial killers (they might in fact be more likely to be schizoid (see below), which in fact are for the most part harmless, and are more in danger of being alone their whole lives than going on a murdering spree). The average person avoids the unshaven type, [[http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/tick/1b.html but a serial murderer is actually more likely to be handsome, charming, and seemingly normal]].

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Despite the criminal justice system's treatment of premeditated murder in favor of crimes of passion, it is important to note that all people without emotions are ''not'' serial killers (they might in fact be more likely to be schizoid (see below), which in fact are for the most part harmless, and are more in danger of being alone their whole lives than going on a murdering spree). The average person avoids the unshaven type, [[http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/tick/1b.html but a serial murderer is actually more likely to be handsome, charming, and seemingly normal]].
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