History UsefulNotes / Italy

18th Jul '16 8:12:30 AM lakingsif
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28th Jun '16 1:24:26 PM Lyendith
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Another national quirk is complaining: Italians definitely have a love-hate relationship with their own country, and will quickly [[CulturalCringe point out all its flaws and passionately complain about all the things that don't work]] (politics, infrastructures, the long list goes on), often joking that these things could only happen in Italy because we can't manage anything[[note:*]]A trait largely shared by [[UsefulNotes/{{France}} their Western neighbours]], incidentally[[/note]]. While there's definitely some TruthInTelevision - as [[UsefulNotes/{{Culture of Italy}} this page]] explains -, to many people it's just a normal conversational topic, kinda like Brits talking about the weather. It's a land of snark indeed (which might be why the Brits and Italians have historically gotten on rather well--particularly as regards Italians moving to Britain).

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Another national quirk is complaining: Italians definitely have a love-hate relationship with their own country, and will quickly [[CulturalCringe point out all its flaws and passionately complain about all the things that don't work]] (politics, infrastructures, the long list goes on), often joking that these things could only happen in Italy because we can't manage anything[[note:*]]A anything[[note]]A trait largely shared by [[UsefulNotes/{{France}} their Western neighbours]], incidentally[[/note]]. While there's definitely some TruthInTelevision - as [[UsefulNotes/{{Culture of Italy}} this page]] explains -, to many people it's just a normal conversational topic, kinda like Brits talking about the weather. It's a land of snark indeed (which might be why the Brits and Italians have historically gotten on rather well--particularly as regards Italians moving to Britain).
28th Jun '16 1:24:04 PM Lyendith
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Another national quirk is complaining: Italians definitely have a love-hate relationship with their own country, and will quickly [[CulturalCringe point out all its flaws and passionately complain about all the things that don't work]] (politics, infrastructures, the long list goes on), often joking that these things could only happen in Italy because we can't manage anything[[note:A trait largely shared by [[UsefulNotes/{{France}} their Western neighbours]], incidentally]]. While there's definitely some TruthInTelevision - as [[UsefulNotes/{{Culture of Italy}} this page]] explains -, to many people it's just a normal conversational topic, kinda like Brits talking about the weather. It's a land of snark indeed (which might be why the Brits and Italians have historically gotten on rather well--particularly as regards Italians moving to Britain).

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Another national quirk is complaining: Italians definitely have a love-hate relationship with their own country, and will quickly [[CulturalCringe point out all its flaws and passionately complain about all the things that don't work]] (politics, infrastructures, the long list goes on), often joking that these things could only happen in Italy because we can't manage anything[[note:A anything[[note:*]]A trait largely shared by [[UsefulNotes/{{France}} their Western neighbours]], incidentally]].incidentally[[/note]]. While there's definitely some TruthInTelevision - as [[UsefulNotes/{{Culture of Italy}} this page]] explains -, to many people it's just a normal conversational topic, kinda like Brits talking about the weather. It's a land of snark indeed (which might be why the Brits and Italians have historically gotten on rather well--particularly as regards Italians moving to Britain).
28th Jun '16 1:23:36 PM Lyendith
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Another national quirk is complaining: Italians definitely have a love-hate relationship with their own country, and will quickly [[CulturalCringe point out all its flaws and passionately complain about all the things that don't work]] (politics, infrastructures, the long list goes on), often joking that these things could only happen in Italy because we can't manage anything. While there's definitely some TruthInTelevision - as [[UsefulNotes/{{Culture of Italy}} this page]] explains -, to many people it's just a normal conversational topic, kinda like Brits talking about the weather. It's a land of snark indeed (which might be why the Brits and Italians have historically gotten on rather well--particularly as regards Italians moving to Britain).

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Another national quirk is complaining: Italians definitely have a love-hate relationship with their own country, and will quickly [[CulturalCringe point out all its flaws and passionately complain about all the things that don't work]] (politics, infrastructures, the long list goes on), often joking that these things could only happen in Italy because we can't manage anything.anything[[note:A trait largely shared by [[UsefulNotes/{{France}} their Western neighbours]], incidentally]]. While there's definitely some TruthInTelevision - as [[UsefulNotes/{{Culture of Italy}} this page]] explains -, to many people it's just a normal conversational topic, kinda like Brits talking about the weather. It's a land of snark indeed (which might be why the Brits and Italians have historically gotten on rather well--particularly as regards Italians moving to Britain).
20th Apr '16 2:37:52 PM Berrenta
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All these languages reflect the different local cultures: in fact, every Italian region has its own unique traditions and foods, and it's not rare to notice a bit of rivalry between regions, each one of them claiming to have the best people, or the best dishes. [[OliveGarden Hollywood Italy]] erroneously tends to portray all Italians as dark haired, olive-skinned folks [[note]] which by the way falls under PhenotypeStereotype: dark hair is simply proportionally more common and olive skin is actually quite rare. To give you an idea, it's like portraying all Germans as light blondes [[/note]] either living in Rome, Naples, Tuscany or Sicily, but real Italy is actually a diverse country with radically different people everywhere you go. This has often led to stereotypes even ''[[SlobsVersusSnobs between Italians themselves]]'', especially during the 1950s and 1960s, when many southern Italians emigrated to northern Italy; northern Italians weren't pleased and (very) often [[LowerClassLout looked down on them, labeling them as lazy and poor]]; in turn, southern Italians considered their northern fellows [[UpperClassTwit stuck-up and boring]]. Luckily, [[ItGetsBetter it got better]] with time and nowadays these stereotypes are usually [[PlayedForLaughs played for laughs]], as no one really takes them seriously anymore (mostly).

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All these languages reflect the different local cultures: in fact, every Italian region has its own unique traditions and foods, and it's not rare to notice a bit of rivalry between regions, each one of them claiming to have the best people, or the best dishes. [[OliveGarden Hollywood Italy]] erroneously tends to portray all Italians as dark haired, olive-skinned folks [[note]] which by the way falls under PhenotypeStereotype: dark hair is simply proportionally more common and olive skin is actually quite rare. To give you an idea, it's like portraying all Germans as light blondes [[/note]] either living in Rome, Naples, Tuscany or Sicily, but real Italy is actually a diverse country with radically different people everywhere you go. This has often led to stereotypes even ''[[SlobsVersusSnobs between Italians themselves]]'', especially during the 1950s and 1960s, when many southern Italians emigrated to northern Italy; northern Italians weren't pleased and (very) often [[LowerClassLout looked down on them, labeling them as lazy and poor]]; in turn, southern Italians considered their northern fellows [[UpperClassTwit stuck-up and boring]]. Luckily, [[ItGetsBetter it got better]] better with time and nowadays these stereotypes are usually [[PlayedForLaughs played for laughs]], as no one really takes them seriously anymore (mostly).
28th Mar '16 8:05:15 PM Theriocephalus
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Much like Germany, Italy for most of its history was pretty much just a geographical expression like "the Balkans" or "Scandinavia". There were many reasons for this, but the largest have to do with geography (it is hard to unite a peninsula divided by so many mountains), the individual wealth and power of many regions making it hard to unify the country by force (UsefulNotes/{{Venice}} or Genoa by themselves were major global players, for instance, and Milan to this day is richer than many countries), and the fact that every region spoke a different dialect that was hard to understand by Italians living in the peninsula. Actually, some of the so-called "dialects" are not variations of standard Italian, but real languages with their own grammar and pronunciation: the differences between them can be so huge that, ironically, an Italian living in Calabria would have an easier time understanding, let's say, a Spaniard than another Italian living in Piedmont if both Italians spoke their respective dialect. However, all Italians learn Standard Italian (based on the Florence variety of the Tuscan dialect, as the Tuscans will proudly tell you) in school.

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Much like Germany, Italy for most of its history was pretty much just a geographical expression like "the Balkans" or "Scandinavia". There were many reasons for this, but the largest have to do with geography (it is hard to unite a peninsula divided by so many mountains), the individual wealth and power of many regions making it hard to unify the country by force (UsefulNotes/{{Venice}} or Genoa by themselves were major global players, for instance, and Milan to this day is richer than many countries), and the fact that every region spoke a different dialect that was hard to understand by other Italians living elsewhere in the peninsula. Actually, some of the so-called "dialects" are not variations of standard Italian, but real languages with their own grammar and pronunciation: the differences between them can be so huge that, ironically, an Italian living in Calabria would have an easier time understanding, let's say, a Spaniard than another Italian living in Piedmont if both Italians spoke their respective dialect. However, all Italians learn Standard Italian (based on the Florence variety of the Tuscan dialect, as the Tuscans will proudly tell you) in school.
14th Feb '16 9:53:43 AM JulianLapostat
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10th Feb '16 10:09:08 PM DeepRed
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Another national quirk is complaining: Italians definitely have a love-hate relationship with their own country, and will quickly point out all its flaws and passionately complain about all the things that don't work (politics, infrastructures, the long list goes on), often joking that these things could only happen in Italy because we can't manage anything. While there's definitely some TruthInTelevision - as [[UsefulNotes/{{Culture of Italy}} this page]] explains -, to many people it's just a normal conversational topic, kinda like Brits talking about the weather. It's a land of snark indeed (which might be why the Brits and Italians have historically gotten on rather well--particularly as regards Italians moving to Britain).

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Another national quirk is complaining: Italians definitely have a love-hate relationship with their own country, and will quickly [[CulturalCringe point out all its flaws and passionately complain about all the things that don't work work]] (politics, infrastructures, the long list goes on), often joking that these things could only happen in Italy because we can't manage anything. While there's definitely some TruthInTelevision - as [[UsefulNotes/{{Culture of Italy}} this page]] explains -, to many people it's just a normal conversational topic, kinda like Brits talking about the weather. It's a land of snark indeed (which might be why the Brits and Italians have historically gotten on rather well--particularly as regards Italians moving to Britain).
10th Feb '16 10:07:30 PM DeepRed
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All these languages reflect the different local cultures: in fact, every Italian region has its own unique traditions and foods, and it's not rare to notice a bit of rivalry between regions, each one of them claiming to have the best people, or the best dishes. [[OliveGarden Hollywood Italy]] erroneously tends to portray all Italians as dark haired, olive-skinned folks [[note]] which by the way falls under PhenotypeStereotype: dark hair is simply proportionally more common and olive skin is actually quite rare. To give you an idea, it's like portraying all Germans as light blondes [[/note]] either living in Rome, Naples, Tuscany or Sicily, but real Italy is actually a diverse country with radically different people everywhere you go. This has often led to stereotypes even ''between Italians themselves'', especially during the 1950s and 1960s, when many southern Italians emigrated to northern Italy; northern Italians weren't pleased and (very) often looked down on them, labeling them as lazy and poor; in turn, southern Italians considered their northern fellows stuck-up and boring. Luckily, [[ItGetsBetter it got better]] with time and nowadays these stereotypes are usually [[PlayedForLaughs played for laughs]], as no one really takes them seriously anymore (mostly).
An unfortunate side effect of all this is that regionalism is still quite strong in Italy, and as a result Italians tend to have a weaker, more fragmented national identity compared to people in other countries. In other words, regional identity often comes first, and there's a quite evident distinction between Northern, Central, Southern Italy and the islands.

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All these languages reflect the different local cultures: in fact, every Italian region has its own unique traditions and foods, and it's not rare to notice a bit of rivalry between regions, each one of them claiming to have the best people, or the best dishes. [[OliveGarden Hollywood Italy]] erroneously tends to portray all Italians as dark haired, olive-skinned folks [[note]] which by the way falls under PhenotypeStereotype: dark hair is simply proportionally more common and olive skin is actually quite rare. To give you an idea, it's like portraying all Germans as light blondes [[/note]] either living in Rome, Naples, Tuscany or Sicily, but real Italy is actually a diverse country with radically different people everywhere you go. This has often led to stereotypes even ''between ''[[SlobsVersusSnobs between Italians themselves'', themselves]]'', especially during the 1950s and 1960s, when many southern Italians emigrated to northern Italy; northern Italians weren't pleased and (very) often [[LowerClassLout looked down on them, labeling them as lazy and poor; poor]]; in turn, southern Italians considered their northern fellows [[UpperClassTwit stuck-up and boring.boring]]. Luckily, [[ItGetsBetter it got better]] with time and nowadays these stereotypes are usually [[PlayedForLaughs played for laughs]], as no one really takes them seriously anymore (mostly).
An unfortunate side effect of all this is that regionalism is [[CreatorProvincialism still quite strong strong]] in Italy, and as a result Italians tend to have a weaker, more fragmented national identity compared to people in other countries. In other words, regional identity often comes first, and there's a quite evident distinction between Northern, Central, Southern Italy and the islands.
20th Nov '15 4:49:04 AM DeisTheAlcano
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-> - '''Carlo Riva''', creator of the ''Riva Aquarama'' (a very Italian CoolBoat)

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\n-> - -->-- '''Carlo Riva''', creator of the ''Riva Aquarama'' (a very Italian CoolBoat)
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