History UsefulNotes / Israel

13th Jun '17 3:25:55 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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The undisputed world champion in geopolitical buzz per square kilometer of dirt (now that the Cold War is over at least).

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The undisputed world champion in geopolitical buzz per square kilometer of dirt (now that the Cold War UsefulNotes/ColdWar is over at least).
13th Jun '17 3:25:02 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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World War II and the Holocaust resulted in the murder of two-thirds of the Jews in Europe, and the utter extermination of nearly every Jewish community which had sheltered Ashkenazi Jews for centuries. Now Zionism, once seen as a pointless pipe dream by many European Jews, seemed to be an utmost necessity to survive.

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World War II and the Holocaust UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust resulted in the murder of two-thirds of the Jews in Europe, and the utter extermination of nearly every Jewish community which had sheltered Ashkenazi Jews for centuries. Now Zionism, once seen as a pointless pipe dream by many European Jews, seemed to be an utmost necessity to survive.
13th May '17 1:14:24 PM LtFedora
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During the War, Britain had persisted in trying to keep tensions to a minimum by minimizing the influx of Jews to Palestine, especially now that this had become a major ideological issue for many soon-to-be Muslim states-states which, being only recently made colonies of Allied powers, could easily be persuaded to make common cause with the Axis should they be provoked. However, this then caused active Jewish resistance to British rule, either by way of illegally bringing more Jews into Palestine, or actively attacking British soldiers and officials ([[InsaneTrollLogic with some like the Lehi having started attacking British soldiers and bases during UsefulNotes/WW2, even attempting to ally with Hitler to drive the British out.]][[labelnote:*]]This is not as insane as it initially seems. First, Jewish and Zionist organizations ran the political gamut. Some of the more violent organizations were openly fascistic, including the Lehi. Second, Nazi antisemitic policy changed a lot before the FinalSolution became the official plan in 1942. Initially, Hitler wanted to ''deport'' all of the Jews in Germany and later Europe, a position to which the Zionists were actually somewhat amenable, since the displaced Jews could then settle in Palestine. This led to something of a detente, with Hitler essentially "selling" Jews to the Zionists (financed by the unbelievably wealthy Rothschilds), the Zionists resettling them in Palestine, and the Rothschilds providing economic support to the settlers. It worked fairly well for a while, with some 60,000 Jews escaping to Palestine in this manner. In this context, certain right-wing Jewish militant organizations attempting to align with Hitler against the British seems considerably less absurd.[[/labelnote]]) This developed into a rather brutal guerrilla war, with the expected atrocities committed by both Jewish insurgents and British troops in retaliation, further dividing the Jewish immigrants and Britain.

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During the War, Britain had persisted in trying to keep tensions to a minimum by minimizing the influx of Jews to Palestine, especially now that this had become a major ideological issue for many soon-to-be Muslim states-states which, being only recently made colonies of Allied powers, could easily be persuaded to make common cause with the Axis should they be provoked. However, this then caused active Jewish resistance to British rule, either by way of illegally bringing more Jews into Palestine, or actively attacking British soldiers and officials ([[InsaneTrollLogic with some like the Lehi having started attacking British soldiers and bases during UsefulNotes/WW2, World War II, even attempting to ally with Hitler to drive the British out.]][[labelnote:*]]This is not as insane as it initially seems. First, Jewish and Zionist organizations ran the political gamut. Some of the more violent organizations were openly fascistic, including the Lehi. Second, Nazi antisemitic policy changed a lot before the FinalSolution became the official plan in 1942. Initially, Hitler wanted to ''deport'' all of the Jews in Germany and later Europe, a position to which the Zionists were actually somewhat amenable, since the displaced Jews could then settle in Palestine. This led to something of a detente, with Hitler essentially "selling" Jews to the Zionists (financed by the unbelievably wealthy Rothschilds), the Zionists resettling them in Palestine, and the Rothschilds providing economic support to the settlers. It worked fairly well for a while, with some 60,000 Jews escaping to Palestine in this manner. In this context, certain right-wing Jewish militant organizations attempting to align with Hitler against the British seems considerably less absurd.[[/labelnote]]) This developed into a rather brutal guerrilla war, with the expected atrocities committed by both Jewish insurgents and British troops in retaliation, further dividing the Jewish immigrants and Britain.
30th Mar '17 2:25:08 AM The_Glorious_SOB
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In terms of the modern Jewish history in the area, there has always been a small Jewish presence in the area that is modern-day Israel (centered around the Four Holy Cities: Jerusalem, Hebron, Safed, and Tiberias) since the various Biblical upheavals that destroyed several Jewish kingdoms (Babylonians, Assyrians, Romans, etc.) and scattered its population across Europe, Asia, and Africa. However in the mid 19th century, after centuries of antisemetic persecution and pogroms throughout Europe (but particularly the Russian Empire), a Jewish movement called Zionism steadily evolved with the aim of ensuring the Jewish people would have a homeland where they could be protected from the anti-semtic violence and discrimination.

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In terms of the modern Jewish history in the area, there has always been a small Jewish presence in the area that is modern-day Israel (centered around the Four Holy Cities: Jerusalem, Hebron, Safed, and Tiberias) since the various Biblical upheavals that destroyed several Jewish kingdoms (Babylonians, Assyrians, Romans, etc.) and scattered its population across Europe, Asia, and Africa. However in the mid 19th century, after centuries of antisemetic persecution and pogroms throughout Europe (but particularly the Russian Empire), a Jewish movement called Zionism steadily evolved with the aim of ensuring the Jewish people would have a homeland where they could be protected from the anti-semtic anti-Semitic violence and discrimination.
30th Mar '17 2:24:12 AM The_Glorious_SOB
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The undisputed world champion in geopolitical buzz per square kilometer of dirt (now that the Cold war is over at least).

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The undisputed world champion in geopolitical buzz per square kilometer of dirt (now that the Cold war War is over at least).
5th Mar '17 11:02:31 AM Morgenthaler
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* ElephantInTheRoom: The ArabIsraeliConflict.
* HeroWithBadPublicity / VillainWithGoodPublicity: A lot of the buzz surrounding the ArabIsraeliConflict pertains to exactly which of these Israel is, if any or both. News coverage would have you believe that the Israeli government doesn't give two figs what the rest of the world thinks about its behavior, but within the Israeli public and media a popular sport is obsessing over exactly this.

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* ElephantInTheRoom: The ArabIsraeliConflict.
UsefulNotes/ArabIsraeliConflict.
* HeroWithBadPublicity / VillainWithGoodPublicity: A lot of the buzz surrounding the ArabIsraeliConflict UsefulNotes/ArabIsraeliConflict pertains to exactly which of these Israel is, if any or both. News coverage would have you believe that the Israeli government doesn't give two figs what the rest of the world thinks about its behavior, but within the Israeli public and media a popular sport is obsessing over exactly this.



* WarRefugees: All over the place: Zionist organizations in Europe tried to help Jews fleeing during World War II get to Palestine, which was hampered by the British. After the War a significant amount of Holocaust survivors either did not want to go back to their former homes or could not go back (thanks to their non-Jewish neighbors using the Holocaust as an opportunity to take their property, then killing those who tried to get it back), and so they also moved to Palestine (against the wishes of the British and the local Arab population). After the first stage of the ArabIsraeliConflict Israel received a huge influx of Jews from Middle Eastern countries who were either expelled or fleeing from retaliation. Then of course you have Palestinian refugees, who still exist all over.

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* WarRefugees: All over the place: Zionist organizations in Europe tried to help Jews fleeing during World War II get to Palestine, which was hampered by the British. After the War a significant amount of Holocaust survivors either did not want to go back to their former homes or could not go back (thanks to their non-Jewish neighbors using the Holocaust as an opportunity to take their property, then killing those who tried to get it back), and so they also moved to Palestine (against the wishes of the British and the local Arab population). After the first stage of the ArabIsraeliConflict UsefulNotes/ArabIsraeliConflict Israel received a huge influx of Jews from Middle Eastern countries who were either expelled or fleeing from retaliation. Then of course you have Palestinian refugees, who still exist all over.



* WhatCouldHaveBeen: In 1919, Prince Faisal (leader of the Arab Revolt) and Chaim Weizmann (leader of the British Zionist Organization) made an agreement that would likely have led to the Jews receiving a state with the blessing of the Arabs. Had the agreement not fallen through, it could have aborted the entire ArabIsraeliConflict.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: In 1919, Prince Faisal (leader of the Arab Revolt) and Chaim Weizmann (leader of the British Zionist Organization) made an agreement that would likely have led to the Jews receiving a state with the blessing of the Arabs. Had the agreement not fallen through, it could have aborted the entire ArabIsraeliConflict.UsefulNotes/ArabIsraeliConflict.



'''Israel and Israelis in Fiction (Outside the context of the ArabIsraeliConflict)'''

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'''Israel and Israelis in Fiction (Outside the context of the ArabIsraeliConflict)'''UsefulNotes/ArabIsraeliConflict)'''
5th Mar '17 10:56:14 AM Morgenthaler
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It should also be noted that Israel has plenty of conflicts and issues that have nothing to do with the ArabIsraeliConflict, or (like disputes between the government of Israel and Bedouin tribes in the Negev, or accusations by Israeli Arabs that they are treated like second-class citizens) are only tangentially related to it. In particular, there are increasing disagreements between secular and Ultra-Orthodox Jews, over the latter being excused from serving in the army and who often are supported by government allowances to allow them to study the Torah and the Talmud (the previous ruling coalition in the Israeli Knesset revolved around ending these exemptions, leading to many Ultra-Orthodox Jews both inside Israel and in the Diaspora to protest), and between religious but non-Orthodox Jews and the Israeli Rabbinate which only includes ''extremely'' Orthodox Jews, and who gets to decide who counts as a Jew for religious matters (although not for the Right of Return), and who sets the rules for the Kotel (aka the Western Wall, the holiest site in Judaism). There are also racial and ethnic tensions between Ashkenazi (aka "European," although many of them wouldn't identify like that), Sephardic and Mizrachi (aka "Middle Eastern," although it's more complicated than that), and Beta Israel (Ethiopian) Jews. Israel has a significant population of Filipinos and Chinese people who moved there for work; unfortunately, if they're fired their right to stay in the country is terminated and their children (even those born in Israel) are often not considered eligible for Israeli citizenship. Finally, Israel, as the most stable and tolerant nation in the region (not that that's saying much), has attracted a significant population of people who have fled mostly from Sudan and Eritrea, who the international community generally considers refugees but whom the Israeli government considers "economic infiltrators" (aka illegal immigrants), who are currently in limbo (Israel has allowed them to stay but not to work legally, and there have been increasing pushes to lock them up at a facility in the middle of the Negev desert).

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It should also be noted that Israel has plenty of conflicts and issues that have nothing to do with the ArabIsraeliConflict, UsefulNotes/ArabIsraeliConflict, or (like disputes between the government of Israel and Bedouin tribes in the Negev, or accusations by Israeli Arabs that they are treated like second-class citizens) are only tangentially related to it. In particular, there are increasing disagreements between secular and Ultra-Orthodox Jews, over the latter being excused from serving in the army and who often are supported by government allowances to allow them to study the Torah and the Talmud (the previous ruling coalition in the Israeli Knesset revolved around ending these exemptions, leading to many Ultra-Orthodox Jews both inside Israel and in the Diaspora to protest), and between religious but non-Orthodox Jews and the Israeli Rabbinate which only includes ''extremely'' Orthodox Jews, and who gets to decide who counts as a Jew for religious matters (although not for the Right of Return), and who sets the rules for the Kotel (aka the Western Wall, the holiest site in Judaism). There are also racial and ethnic tensions between Ashkenazi (aka "European," although many of them wouldn't identify like that), Sephardic and Mizrachi (aka "Middle Eastern," although it's more complicated than that), and Beta Israel (Ethiopian) Jews. Israel has a significant population of Filipinos and Chinese people who moved there for work; unfortunately, if they're fired their right to stay in the country is terminated and their children (even those born in Israel) are often not considered eligible for Israeli citizenship. Finally, Israel, as the most stable and tolerant nation in the region (not that that's saying much), has attracted a significant population of people who have fled mostly from Sudan and Eritrea, who the international community generally considers refugees but whom the Israeli government considers "economic infiltrators" (aka illegal immigrants), who are currently in limbo (Israel has allowed them to stay but not to work legally, and there have been increasing pushes to lock them up at a facility in the middle of the Negev desert).
4th Mar '17 9:07:04 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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[[UsefulNotes/WorldWar2 You can probably]] [[FinalSolution guess what happened next.]]

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[[UsefulNotes/WorldWar2 [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII You can probably]] [[FinalSolution guess what happened next.]]
26th Feb '17 4:48:38 PM nombretomado
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World War I changed all of this. By 1918, the Ottoman Turkish empire had lost control of its territory in Palestine to the French (who had a mandate over what is now Syria and Lebanon) and Palestine to the British who took control as mandated by the League of Nations. It should be mentioned here that even while WWI still was being fought the British and French reached the secret [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement Sykes–Picot Agreement]] where they would divide the Middle East as loot between themselves, abandoning [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussein%E2%80%93McMahon_Correspondence earlier support]] promising Arabs in the region recognition of Arab independence. Note the secret part meant the British in particular were essentially lying through their their teeth to the same [[LawrenceOfArabia Arabs they had encouraged to revolt against the Ottoman Empire]].

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World War I changed all of this. By 1918, the Ottoman Turkish empire had lost control of its territory in Palestine to the French (who had a mandate over what is now Syria and Lebanon) and Palestine to the British who took control as mandated by the League of Nations. It should be mentioned here that even while WWI still was being fought the British and French reached the secret [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement Sykes–Picot Agreement]] where they would divide the Middle East as loot between themselves, abandoning [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussein%E2%80%93McMahon_Correspondence earlier support]] promising Arabs in the region recognition of Arab independence. Note the secret part meant the British in particular were essentially lying through their their teeth to the same [[LawrenceOfArabia [[Film/LawrenceOfArabia Arabs they had encouraged to revolt against the Ottoman Empire]].
12th Feb '17 9:13:45 PM Fireblood
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* WarRefugees: All over the place: Zionist organizations in Europe tried to help Jews fleeing during World War II get to Palestine, which was hampered by the British. After the War a significant amount of Holocaust survivors either did not want to go back to their former homes or could not go back (thanks to their non-Jewish neighbors using the Holocaust as an opportunity to take their property, then killing those who tried to get it back), and so they also moved to Palestine (against the wishes of the British and the local Arab population). After the first stage of the ArabIsraeliConflict Israel received a huge influx of Jews from Middle Eastern countries who were either expelled or fleeing from retaliation.

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* WarRefugees: All over the place: Zionist organizations in Europe tried to help Jews fleeing during World War II get to Palestine, which was hampered by the British. After the War a significant amount of Holocaust survivors either did not want to go back to their former homes or could not go back (thanks to their non-Jewish neighbors using the Holocaust as an opportunity to take their property, then killing those who tried to get it back), and so they also moved to Palestine (against the wishes of the British and the local Arab population). After the first stage of the ArabIsraeliConflict Israel received a huge influx of Jews from Middle Eastern countries who were either expelled or fleeing from retaliation. Then of course you have Palestinian refugees, who still exist all over.
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