History UsefulNotes / Gnosticism

3rd Aug '16 3:39:12 PM dfun2hit
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However, it is important to remember that Gnosticism at no point constituted a monolith. Different groups would hold doctrine that mixed-and-matched or varied from the above list in their own ways. Gnosticism was also highly syncretic, tending to merge with any other religion it came into contact with, creating a new Gnostic sect of that religion or forming a new religion altogether. It was also highly secretive, being practiced mostly by elites who had the leisure time necessary to contemplate its mysteries. Although it is largely extinct today, remnants of it still leave influences. Much of what we know about the Gnostics is fairly fragmentary-few of their original works survive to this day. Furthermore, much of what we have learned about the Gnostics comes from early Christian writings which were often critical of these perceived "heretics."

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However, it is important to remember that Gnosticism at no point constituted a monolith. It is difficult even to tell where it came from. By that time there was already influence of Asian religion flowing over into the western world and having its merry way with platonism and stoicism. It may have also came from esoteric Judaic mystic teachings privy to only scholars, its difficult to trace considering there is so little information on it. Different groups would hold doctrine that mixed-and-matched or varied from the above list in their own ways.ways, not to mention interpretations on scripture have varied. Gnosticism was also highly syncretic, tending to merge with any other religion it came into contact with, creating a new Gnostic sect of that religion or forming a new religion altogether. It was also highly secretive, being practiced mostly by elites who had the leisure time necessary to contemplate its mysteries. Although it is largely extinct today, remnants of it still leave influences. Much of what we know about the Gnostics is fairly fragmentary-few of their original works survive to this day. Furthermore, much of what we have learned about the Gnostics comes from early Christian writings which were often critical of these perceived "heretics."
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Additionally it is both distinct yet incredibly close to some other religions, often causing it to pair within media possibly with the intention of playing with viewer expectations. Other belief systems can have enough traits to be within the family of gnosticism, which is pretty much what this page is for, but if you're having a conversation about gnosticism specifically rather than gnostic religions or parallel religions this is probably not your page. It is distinct enough that it is debatable whether it should be thrown into serious conversation with Lurianic Jewish tradition, Jewish mysticism and Kabbalah, Mandaeism, Manichaeism, Christian Cabbala, Orphic or other greco-roman mysteries, new age beliefs, ascetic beliefs, and certain Southeast Asian philosophies and mythologies.
30th Jul '16 11:51:33 AM nombretomado
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* God have mercy on our souls, but DanBrown has done as much to raise Gnosticism into the public consciousness as the Wachowskis.
** It might be useful to point out that while the Wachowskis have ushered Gnosticism into the public consciousness through the underlying philosophical discussions in their films [[note]] with said discussion reaching into the fundamental ideology of Gnosticism and debating the arguments for and against the probable nature of reality, the delineation of the borders of reality, and playing with the idea of the demiurge and assessing sentient beings as contributors to the formation of an imperfect consensus reality[[/note]], DanBrown has raised awareness of Gnosticism by flinging the term around so liberally in such a vague and arbitrary manner in his books that it drove most of his readers to look it up on TheOtherWiki... where most of them found two things: 1) Gnosticism is incredibly detailed, ancient, and so deep and involving that you can spend days on a WikiWalk just scratching the surface, and 2) Creator/DanBrown has a very bad habit of CompletelyMissingThePoint when it comes to secular and philosophical ideology.

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* God have mercy on our souls, but DanBrown Creator/DanBrown has done as much to raise Gnosticism into the public consciousness as the Wachowskis.
** It might be useful to point out that while the Wachowskis have ushered Gnosticism into the public consciousness through the underlying philosophical discussions in their films [[note]] with said discussion reaching into the fundamental ideology of Gnosticism and debating the arguments for and against the probable nature of reality, the delineation of the borders of reality, and playing with the idea of the demiurge and assessing sentient beings as contributors to the formation of an imperfect consensus reality[[/note]], DanBrown Dan Brown has raised awareness of Gnosticism by flinging the term around so liberally in such a vague and arbitrary manner in his books that it drove most of his readers to look it up on TheOtherWiki... where most of them found two things: 1) Gnosticism is incredibly detailed, ancient, and so deep and involving that you can spend days on a WikiWalk just scratching the surface, and 2) Creator/DanBrown has a very bad habit of CompletelyMissingThePoint when it comes to secular and philosophical ideology.
23rd Jun '16 9:26:48 PM SinNanna
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* In the beginning was nothing but a single consciousness. This primordial awareness had no content, as there was nothing in existence of which to be aware. It existed in a timeless, thoughtless state analogous Fto the Buddhist experience of Nirvana.

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* In the beginning was nothing but a single consciousness. This primordial awareness had no content, as there was nothing in existence of which to be aware. It existed in a timeless, thoughtless state analogous Fto to the Buddhist experience of Nirvana.
8th Jun '16 10:33:53 AM Morgenthaler
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* Literature/CreationManAndTheMessiah by poet {{Henrik Wergeland}} is by far the most gnostic piece of literature written during the 19th century, telling how higher spirits intervened to ensoul humanity. The spirits are called Eons (or aions) here as well.

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* Literature/CreationManAndTheMessiah by poet {{Henrik Creator/{{Henrik Wergeland}} is by far the most gnostic piece of literature written during the 19th century, telling how higher spirits intervened to ensoul humanity. The spirits are called Eons (or aions) here as well.
31st May '16 1:02:18 PM Nopperabo
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* The cosmology of ''TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse'' borrows from Gnosticism. The [[EldritchAbomination Triatic Wyrm]] is a demiurge masquerading as the true Wyrm of balance, and much of the suffering in the WTA world can be laid at its feet. The Urge Wyrms and Maeljin Incarna can be likened to archons. The true Wyrm of balance, trapped in the fabric of reality and unable to fulfill its original purpose, is not unlike Sophia.
31st May '16 12:35:33 AM Zaltys
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[[AC: {{Music}}]]
* Music/{{Current 93}} makes continual reference to Gnostic texts.
* Music/ToriAmos references Gnosticism in her album ''The Beekeeper''.
* Arguably some of Music/{{Tool}}'s songs touch on Gnostic themes, "Parabola" being an example, though Maynard's lyrics are open to a great deal of interpretation.
* Coph Nia actually has a song called "Gnostic Mass", whose lyrics draw heavily on Gnostic beliefs (no surprises there.)



* Music/{{Current 93}} makes continual reference to Gnostic texts.




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* Music/ToriAmos references Gnosticism in her album ''The Beekeeper''.
* Music/VirginSteele: Touched on most albums, but most notably on Invictus (1998) and Visions of Eden (2006).
* Arguably some of Music/{{Tool}}'s songs touch on Gnostic themes, "Parabola" being an example, though Maynard's lyrics are open to a great deal of interpretation.
* Coph Nia actually has a song called "Gnostic Mass", whose lyrics draw heavily on Gnostic beliefs (no surprises there.)
14th Apr '16 8:57:17 PM ProfessorDetective
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* ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' mixes Gnosticism with both the Kabbalah (a Jewish Gnostic variant that proposes we are all [[PiecesOfGod pieces of Adam Kadmon]]) and a mystic reinterpretation of the Jewish story of Genesis where Adam's original first wife wasn't Eve, but Lilith, who fell into error (Sophia-equivalent) thus paving the plot for Eve's creation, humanity's acquisition of the Fruit of Knowledge and the resulting Fall of Man from Eden into biological bodies. Some versions say Lilith or Sophia was the Tree of Knowledge or at least gave the Fruit of Knowledge to Eve in the first place (the RetCon of the Serpent as BigBad Lucifer was due to WordOfDante and Christian "ignorance is bliss" ideology), if you would consider the theory that Sophia gave a part of herself to humans as souls resulting in the evolution of human intelligence. \\
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[[spoiler:Rei Ayanami]], the soul of Lilith, the original mother of all humanity, is Sophia, and as ThePhilosopher lives up to that symbolism. Her flawed fragmented daemonic children, the Lilin [[spoiler:(humans)]] are the Demiurge, technological creators capable of [[HumansAreBastards cruelty against each other]], after all [[Theatre/NoExit Hell is Other People]]. The referral to [[spoiler:humans]] with such a daemonic name is likely from a Gnostic influence. The fall of Sophia [[spoiler:(Lilith/Rei, who literally fell to Earth)]] is responsible for the birth of the Demiurge (the evolution of biological life, and the suffering that it has brought), but Sophia's fragments still exist in this world in the form of our souls (humanity as the bearer of the Fruit of Knowledge), and thus it is possible to redeem ourselves from our daemonic existence (human individual bodies and prone to disease, despair and death) and reconcile with her. The central dogma of an AncientConspiracy called [[TheOmniscientCouncilOfVagueness SEELE]] is the reunification of Lilith with her lost male counterpart, Adam (analogous to reuniting Sophia with her lost male counterpart), that shall lead to their [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence Messianic Ascension and Universal Salvation]] from their Original Sin of existence under the Demiurge[=/=]Lilin[=/=]Human Bodies. In ''the End of Evangelion'', it does happen: [[spoiler:Rei absorbs Adam, takes control of Lilith, reawakens, turns into a Giant Naked Rei[=/=]Adam Kadmon[=/=]Sophia, destroys all human bodies, and [[AssimilationPlot merges all souls into a gestalt God-superconsciousness]].]] \\
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Although it is also implied that [[FauxSymbolism all the Gnostic and Jewish mystic symbolism were maybe just put there to sound exotic]], and SEELE is just a neo-Gnostic CargoCult associating a bunch of alien {{precursors}} with {{God}}.

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* ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' mixes Gnosticism with both the Kabbalah (a Jewish Gnostic variant that proposes we are all [[PiecesOfGod pieces of Adam Kadmon]]) and a mystic reinterpretation of the Jewish story of Genesis where Adam's original first wife wasn't Eve, but Lilith, who fell into error (Sophia-equivalent) thus paving the plot for Eve's creation, humanity's acquisition of the Fruit of Knowledge and the resulting Fall of Man from Eden into biological bodies. Some versions say Lilith or Sophia was the Tree of Knowledge or at least gave the Fruit of Knowledge to Eve in the first place (the RetCon of the Serpent as BigBad Lucifer was due to WordOfDante and Christian "ignorance is bliss" ideology), if you would consider the theory that Sophia gave a part of herself to humans as souls resulting in the evolution of human intelligence. \\
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[[spoiler:Rei Ayanami]], the soul of Lilith, the original mother of all humanity, is Sophia, and as ThePhilosopher lives up to that symbolism. Her flawed fragmented daemonic children, the Lilin [[spoiler:(humans)]] are the Demiurge, technological creators capable of [[HumansAreBastards cruelty against each other]], after all [[Theatre/NoExit Hell is Other People]]. The referral to [[spoiler:humans]] with such a daemonic name is likely from a Gnostic influence. The fall of Sophia [[spoiler:(Lilith/Rei, who literally fell to Earth)]] is responsible for the birth of the Demiurge (the evolution of biological life, and the suffering that it has brought), but Sophia's fragments still exist in this world in the form of our souls (humanity as the bearer of the Fruit of Knowledge), and thus it is possible to redeem ourselves from our daemonic existence (human individual bodies and prone to disease, despair and death) and reconcile with her. The central dogma of an AncientConspiracy called [[TheOmniscientCouncilOfVagueness SEELE]] is the reunification of Lilith with her lost male counterpart, Adam (analogous to reuniting Sophia with her lost male counterpart), that shall lead to their [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence Messianic Ascension and Universal Salvation]] from their Original Sin of existence under the Demiurge[=/=]Lilin[=/=]Human Bodies. In ''the End of Evangelion'', it does happen: [[spoiler:Rei absorbs Adam, takes control of Lilith, reawakens, turns into a Giant Naked Rei[=/=]Adam Kadmon[=/=]Sophia, destroys all human bodies, and [[AssimilationPlot merges all souls into a gestalt God-superconsciousness]].]] \\
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Although it is also implied that [[FauxSymbolism all the Gnostic and Jewish mystic symbolism were maybe just put there to sound exotic]], and SEELE is just a neo-Gnostic CargoCult associating a bunch of alien {{precursors}} with {{God}}.
11th Apr '16 11:48:03 AM Morgenthaler
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[[spoiler:Rei Ayanami]], the soul of Lilith, the original mother of all humanity, is Sophia, and as ThePhilosopher lives up to that symbolism. Her flawed fragmented daemonic children, the Lilin [[spoiler:(humans)]] are the Demiurge, technological creators capable of [[HumansAreBastards cruelty against each other]], after all [[NoExit Hell is Other People]]. The referral to [[spoiler:humans]] with such a daemonic name is likely from a Gnostic influence. The fall of Sophia [[spoiler:(Lilith/Rei, who literally fell to Earth)]] is responsible for the birth of the Demiurge (the evolution of biological life, and the suffering that it has brought), but Sophia's fragments still exist in this world in the form of our souls (humanity as the bearer of the Fruit of Knowledge), and thus it is possible to redeem ourselves from our daemonic existence (human individual bodies and prone to disease, despair and death) and reconcile with her. The central dogma of an AncientConspiracy called [[TheOmniscientCouncilOfVagueness SEELE]] is the reunification of Lilith with her lost male counterpart, Adam (analogous to reuniting Sophia with her lost male counterpart), that shall lead to their [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence Messianic Ascension and Universal Salvation]] from their Original Sin of existence under the Demiurge[=/=]Lilin[=/=]Human Bodies. In ''the End of Evangelion'', it does happen: [[spoiler:Rei absorbs Adam, takes control of Lilith, reawakens, turns into a Giant Naked Rei[=/=]Adam Kadmon[=/=]Sophia, destroys all human bodies, and [[AssimilationPlot merges all souls into a gestalt God-superconsciousness]].]] \\

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[[spoiler:Rei Ayanami]], the soul of Lilith, the original mother of all humanity, is Sophia, and as ThePhilosopher lives up to that symbolism. Her flawed fragmented daemonic children, the Lilin [[spoiler:(humans)]] are the Demiurge, technological creators capable of [[HumansAreBastards cruelty against each other]], after all [[NoExit [[Theatre/NoExit Hell is Other People]]. The referral to [[spoiler:humans]] with such a daemonic name is likely from a Gnostic influence. The fall of Sophia [[spoiler:(Lilith/Rei, who literally fell to Earth)]] is responsible for the birth of the Demiurge (the evolution of biological life, and the suffering that it has brought), but Sophia's fragments still exist in this world in the form of our souls (humanity as the bearer of the Fruit of Knowledge), and thus it is possible to redeem ourselves from our daemonic existence (human individual bodies and prone to disease, despair and death) and reconcile with her. The central dogma of an AncientConspiracy called [[TheOmniscientCouncilOfVagueness SEELE]] is the reunification of Lilith with her lost male counterpart, Adam (analogous to reuniting Sophia with her lost male counterpart), that shall lead to their [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence Messianic Ascension and Universal Salvation]] from their Original Sin of existence under the Demiurge[=/=]Lilin[=/=]Human Bodies. In ''the End of Evangelion'', it does happen: [[spoiler:Rei absorbs Adam, takes control of Lilith, reawakens, turns into a Giant Naked Rei[=/=]Adam Kadmon[=/=]Sophia, destroys all human bodies, and [[AssimilationPlot merges all souls into a gestalt God-superconsciousness]].]] \\
21st Mar '16 12:14:43 PM FF32
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* Pretty much anything by CormacMcCarthy, especially BloodMeridian.

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* Pretty much anything by CormacMcCarthy, especially BloodMeridian.Literature/BloodMeridian.
17th Mar '16 7:20:25 AM Zaltys
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* EvilIsSterile: Some Gnostics believed that the material universe had gone through countless cycles of destruction and re-creation, as the demiurge is trying to create a perfect universe, but is failing at it. Over and over. Because an imperfect god cannot ever create a perfect world.

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* EvilIsSterile: Some Gnostics believed that the material universe had gone through countless cycles of destruction and re-creation, as the demiurge is trying repeatedly failing to create achieve his vision of a perfect universe, but is failing at it. Over and over. universe. Because an imperfect god cannot ever create a perfect world.perfection.
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