History UsefulNotes / Gnosticism

14th Apr '16 8:57:17 PM ProfessorDetective
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* ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' mixes Gnosticism with both the Kabbalah (a Jewish Gnostic variant that proposes we are all [[PiecesOfGod pieces of Adam Kadmon]]) and a mystic reinterpretation of the Jewish story of Genesis where Adam's original first wife wasn't Eve, but Lilith, who fell into error (Sophia-equivalent) thus paving the plot for Eve's creation, humanity's acquisition of the Fruit of Knowledge and the resulting Fall of Man from Eden into biological bodies. Some versions say Lilith or Sophia was the Tree of Knowledge or at least gave the Fruit of Knowledge to Eve in the first place (the RetCon of the Serpent as BigBad Lucifer was due to WordOfDante and Christian "ignorance is bliss" ideology), if you would consider the theory that Sophia gave a part of herself to humans as souls resulting in the evolution of human intelligence. \\
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[[spoiler:Rei Ayanami]], the soul of Lilith, the original mother of all humanity, is Sophia, and as ThePhilosopher lives up to that symbolism. Her flawed fragmented daemonic children, the Lilin [[spoiler:(humans)]] are the Demiurge, technological creators capable of [[HumansAreBastards cruelty against each other]], after all [[Theatre/NoExit Hell is Other People]]. The referral to [[spoiler:humans]] with such a daemonic name is likely from a Gnostic influence. The fall of Sophia [[spoiler:(Lilith/Rei, who literally fell to Earth)]] is responsible for the birth of the Demiurge (the evolution of biological life, and the suffering that it has brought), but Sophia's fragments still exist in this world in the form of our souls (humanity as the bearer of the Fruit of Knowledge), and thus it is possible to redeem ourselves from our daemonic existence (human individual bodies and prone to disease, despair and death) and reconcile with her. The central dogma of an AncientConspiracy called [[TheOmniscientCouncilOfVagueness SEELE]] is the reunification of Lilith with her lost male counterpart, Adam (analogous to reuniting Sophia with her lost male counterpart), that shall lead to their [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence Messianic Ascension and Universal Salvation]] from their Original Sin of existence under the Demiurge[=/=]Lilin[=/=]Human Bodies. In ''the End of Evangelion'', it does happen: [[spoiler:Rei absorbs Adam, takes control of Lilith, reawakens, turns into a Giant Naked Rei[=/=]Adam Kadmon[=/=]Sophia, destroys all human bodies, and [[AssimilationPlot merges all souls into a gestalt God-superconsciousness]].]] \\
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Although it is also implied that [[FauxSymbolism all the Gnostic and Jewish mystic symbolism were maybe just put there to sound exotic]], and SEELE is just a neo-Gnostic CargoCult associating a bunch of alien {{precursors}} with {{God}}.

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* ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' mixes Gnosticism with both the Kabbalah (a Jewish Gnostic variant that proposes we are all [[PiecesOfGod pieces of Adam Kadmon]]) and a mystic reinterpretation of the Jewish story of Genesis where Adam's original first wife wasn't Eve, but Lilith, who fell into error (Sophia-equivalent) thus paving the plot for Eve's creation, humanity's acquisition of the Fruit of Knowledge and the resulting Fall of Man from Eden into biological bodies. Some versions say Lilith or Sophia was the Tree of Knowledge or at least gave the Fruit of Knowledge to Eve in the first place (the RetCon of the Serpent as BigBad Lucifer was due to WordOfDante and Christian "ignorance is bliss" ideology), if you would consider the theory that Sophia gave a part of herself to humans as souls resulting in the evolution of human intelligence. \\
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[[spoiler:Rei Ayanami]], the soul of Lilith, the original mother of all humanity, is Sophia, and as ThePhilosopher lives up to that symbolism. Her flawed fragmented daemonic children, the Lilin [[spoiler:(humans)]] are the Demiurge, technological creators capable of [[HumansAreBastards cruelty against each other]], after all [[Theatre/NoExit Hell is Other People]]. The referral to [[spoiler:humans]] with such a daemonic name is likely from a Gnostic influence. The fall of Sophia [[spoiler:(Lilith/Rei, who literally fell to Earth)]] is responsible for the birth of the Demiurge (the evolution of biological life, and the suffering that it has brought), but Sophia's fragments still exist in this world in the form of our souls (humanity as the bearer of the Fruit of Knowledge), and thus it is possible to redeem ourselves from our daemonic existence (human individual bodies and prone to disease, despair and death) and reconcile with her. The central dogma of an AncientConspiracy called [[TheOmniscientCouncilOfVagueness SEELE]] is the reunification of Lilith with her lost male counterpart, Adam (analogous to reuniting Sophia with her lost male counterpart), that shall lead to their [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence Messianic Ascension and Universal Salvation]] from their Original Sin of existence under the Demiurge[=/=]Lilin[=/=]Human Bodies. In ''the End of Evangelion'', it does happen: [[spoiler:Rei absorbs Adam, takes control of Lilith, reawakens, turns into a Giant Naked Rei[=/=]Adam Kadmon[=/=]Sophia, destroys all human bodies, and [[AssimilationPlot merges all souls into a gestalt God-superconsciousness]].]] \\
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Although it is also implied that [[FauxSymbolism all the Gnostic and Jewish mystic symbolism were maybe just put there to sound exotic]], and SEELE is just a neo-Gnostic CargoCult associating a bunch of alien {{precursors}} with {{God}}.
11th Apr '16 11:48:03 AM Morgenthaler
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[[spoiler:Rei Ayanami]], the soul of Lilith, the original mother of all humanity, is Sophia, and as ThePhilosopher lives up to that symbolism. Her flawed fragmented daemonic children, the Lilin [[spoiler:(humans)]] are the Demiurge, technological creators capable of [[HumansAreBastards cruelty against each other]], after all [[NoExit Hell is Other People]]. The referral to [[spoiler:humans]] with such a daemonic name is likely from a Gnostic influence. The fall of Sophia [[spoiler:(Lilith/Rei, who literally fell to Earth)]] is responsible for the birth of the Demiurge (the evolution of biological life, and the suffering that it has brought), but Sophia's fragments still exist in this world in the form of our souls (humanity as the bearer of the Fruit of Knowledge), and thus it is possible to redeem ourselves from our daemonic existence (human individual bodies and prone to disease, despair and death) and reconcile with her. The central dogma of an AncientConspiracy called [[TheOmniscientCouncilOfVagueness SEELE]] is the reunification of Lilith with her lost male counterpart, Adam (analogous to reuniting Sophia with her lost male counterpart), that shall lead to their [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence Messianic Ascension and Universal Salvation]] from their Original Sin of existence under the Demiurge[=/=]Lilin[=/=]Human Bodies. In ''the End of Evangelion'', it does happen: [[spoiler:Rei absorbs Adam, takes control of Lilith, reawakens, turns into a Giant Naked Rei[=/=]Adam Kadmon[=/=]Sophia, destroys all human bodies, and [[AssimilationPlot merges all souls into a gestalt God-superconsciousness]].]] \\

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[[spoiler:Rei Ayanami]], the soul of Lilith, the original mother of all humanity, is Sophia, and as ThePhilosopher lives up to that symbolism. Her flawed fragmented daemonic children, the Lilin [[spoiler:(humans)]] are the Demiurge, technological creators capable of [[HumansAreBastards cruelty against each other]], after all [[NoExit [[Theatre/NoExit Hell is Other People]]. The referral to [[spoiler:humans]] with such a daemonic name is likely from a Gnostic influence. The fall of Sophia [[spoiler:(Lilith/Rei, who literally fell to Earth)]] is responsible for the birth of the Demiurge (the evolution of biological life, and the suffering that it has brought), but Sophia's fragments still exist in this world in the form of our souls (humanity as the bearer of the Fruit of Knowledge), and thus it is possible to redeem ourselves from our daemonic existence (human individual bodies and prone to disease, despair and death) and reconcile with her. The central dogma of an AncientConspiracy called [[TheOmniscientCouncilOfVagueness SEELE]] is the reunification of Lilith with her lost male counterpart, Adam (analogous to reuniting Sophia with her lost male counterpart), that shall lead to their [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence Messianic Ascension and Universal Salvation]] from their Original Sin of existence under the Demiurge[=/=]Lilin[=/=]Human Bodies. In ''the End of Evangelion'', it does happen: [[spoiler:Rei absorbs Adam, takes control of Lilith, reawakens, turns into a Giant Naked Rei[=/=]Adam Kadmon[=/=]Sophia, destroys all human bodies, and [[AssimilationPlot merges all souls into a gestalt God-superconsciousness]].]] \\
21st Mar '16 12:14:43 PM FF32
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* Pretty much anything by CormacMcCarthy, especially BloodMeridian.

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* Pretty much anything by CormacMcCarthy, especially BloodMeridian.Literature/BloodMeridian.
17th Mar '16 7:20:25 AM Zaltys
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* EvilIsSterile: Some Gnostics believed that the material universe had gone through countless cycles of destruction and re-creation, as the demiurge is trying to create a perfect universe, but is failing at it. Over and over. Because an imperfect god cannot ever create a perfect world.

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* EvilIsSterile: Some Gnostics believed that the material universe had gone through countless cycles of destruction and re-creation, as the demiurge is trying repeatedly failing to create achieve his vision of a perfect universe, but is failing at it. Over and over. universe. Because an imperfect god cannot ever create a perfect world.perfection.
17th Mar '16 7:18:55 AM Zaltys
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* EvilIsSterile: Some Gnostics believed that the material universe had gone through countless cycles of destruction and re-creation, as the demiurge is trying to create a perfect universe, but is failing at it. Over and over. Because an imperfect god cannot ever create a perfect world.
17th Mar '16 7:00:34 AM Zaltys
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* In the beginning was nothing but a single consciousness. This primordial awareness had no content, as there was nothing in existence of which to be aware. It existed in a timeless, thoughtless state analogous to the Buddhist experience of Nirvana.

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* In the beginning was nothing but a single consciousness. This primordial awareness had no content, as there was nothing in existence of which to be aware. It existed in a timeless, thoughtless state analogous to Fto the Buddhist experience of Nirvana.



* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Gnostic scriptures such as "On the Origin of the World" contain a radically different exegesis of Abrahamic traditions. The Creator is ignorant and malevolent, the Serpent in Eden was Sophia (or Jesus,) Noah was a faithless jerk, and the Creator's angels are agents of violence and repression.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Gnostic scriptures such as "On the Origin of the World" contain a radically different exegesis of Abrahamic traditions. The Creator is ignorant and malevolent, the Serpent in Eden was Sophia (or Jesus,) Jesus), Noah was a faithless jerk, and the Creator's angels are agents of violence and repression.


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** In some versions, the Serpent of Eden was Lucifer. Who, after realizing how flawed and malevolent The Creator was, rebelled against him and gifted mankind with the knowledge to free themselves.
1st Feb '16 9:15:21 PM Willbyr
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* There are some highly suspicious parallels in ''{{Blame}}'' to Gnostic ideology, particularly in the later parts of the series.

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* There are some highly suspicious parallels in ''{{Blame}}'' ''Manga/{{Blame}}'' to Gnostic ideology, particularly in the later parts of the series.
21st Jan '16 4:25:30 AM Yahya
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** Read Tolkien's essay ''On Fairy-Stories'', particularly the chapter ''Recovery, Escape, Consolation''. When talking about escaping the harsh reality with the help of imagination (among other things), he uses such language:
--> ''Why should a man be scorned if, finding himself in prison, he tries to get out and go home? ... The world outside has not become less real because the prisoner cannot see it.''
** On purpose or not, the metaphor Tolkien chooses is blatantly Gnostic. Also, notice that he used to consider the possibility of Elves reincarnating.
1st Jan '16 3:26:30 AM Morgenthaler
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* {{Current 93}} makes continual reference to Gnostic texts.

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* {{Current Music/{{Current 93}} makes continual reference to Gnostic texts.
1st Jan '16 3:00:24 AM Cinereous
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* ''VideoGame/{{Xenosaga}}''

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* ''VideoGame/{{Xenosaga}}''''VideoGame/{{Xenosaga}}'' takes the Gnostic influence of ''Xenogears'' and unbelievably, cranks it UpToEleven. Seriously.
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