History UsefulNotes / Brazil

17th Mar '17 11:57:57 AM DarthWalrus
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* Most Brazilians don't know anything about the Wright brothers. To them, the inventor of the aeroplane is Alberto Santos Dumont, mostly because the French Fédération Aéronautique Internationale did not consider the Wright brothers' flier to "fly", but actually to "float", allegedly due to it's use of a catapult.

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* Most Brazilians don't know anything about the Wright brothers. To them, the inventor of the aeroplane is Alberto Santos Dumont, mostly because the French Fédération Aéronautique Internationale did not consider the Wright brothers' flier to "fly", but actually to "float", allegedly due to it's use of a catapult. In reality, [[MisplacedNationalism their only real goal was having the first "Official" flight in France]], where UpperClassTwit Dumont, performed his experiments. The FAI later retracted this blatant [[MovingTheGoalposts obfuscation]] and granted the Wright Brothers the respect they deserve, but not Brazil, which even had the audacity to claim Dumont invented the aeroplane in the Rio Olympics.
4th Mar '17 3:19:32 AM AndyLA
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* Brazilians also has some famous UsefulNotes/FormulaOne drivers. This includes three time champion and one of the greatest Formula One drivers of all time by the name of Ayrton Senna (RIP)[[note]]Senna was the last [=F1=] driver to be killed by a crash while racing; while Jules Bianchi's death was as a result of his accident in the 2014 Japanese GP (20 years after Senna's death, at that), he spent nine months in a coma before dying[[/note]]; Nelson Piquet Sr., who is also a three time champion himself; Emerson Fittipaldi, a two time champion and the first Brazilian to do so, and infamously switching from [=McLaren=] to his family team (Fittipaldi Automotive) which indirectly being the main catalyst of [[Film/Rush2013 the 1976 season championship battle]][[note]]Had Fittipaldi not left [=McLaren=], his replacement James Hunt would probably not getting a drive that year due to the folding of Hesketh[[/note]]; Rubens Barrichello, the driver with most starts in Formula One[[note]]322 starts in 19 seasons, 16 more than Michael Schumacher in 18 and a half seasons (Schumi missed half of the 1999 season due to a broken leg)[[/note]] and the first Formula One driver to beat [[Series/TopGear The Stig]] round the Top Gear test track[[note]]although his reputation as a "number two" pilot - including, but not limited to, the 2002 Austrian GP incident - and the large number of [=DNFs=] racked up during his tenures in Jordan and Honda make him something of a laughingstock amongst the very Brazilian auto racing observers[[/note]] and Felipe Massa, the driver who was beaten by Lewis Hamilton for the championship [[DownToTheLastPlay in the very last corner]] of the 2008 season[[note]]and they weren't even in direct competition within the race; Hamilton needed to finish [=6th=] or higher to get the title should Massa win the race, which he did; and, as luck would have it, Toyota driver Timo Glock was holding Hamilton to 7th right up until the final turn, where he let up and let Hamilton pass him to finish right at the minimal position he needed to be crowned champion.[[/note]]

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* Brazilians also has some famous UsefulNotes/FormulaOne drivers. This includes three time champion and one of the greatest Formula One drivers of all time by the name of Ayrton Senna (RIP)[[note]]Senna was the last [=F1=] driver to be killed by a crash while racing; while Jules Bianchi's death was as a result of his accident in the 2014 Japanese GP (20 years after Senna's death, at that), he spent nine months in a coma before dying[[/note]]; Nelson Piquet Sr., who is also a three time champion himself; Emerson Fittipaldi, a two time champion and the first Brazilian to do so, and infamously switching from [=McLaren=] to his family team (Fittipaldi Automotive) which indirectly being the main catalyst of [[Film/Rush2013 the 1976 season championship battle]][[note]]Had Fittipaldi not left [=McLaren=], his replacement James Hunt would probably not getting a drive that year due to the folding of Hesketh[[/note]]; Rubens Barrichello, the driver with most starts in Formula One[[note]]322 starts in 19 seasons, 16 more than Michael Schumacher in 18 and a half seasons (Schumi missed half of the 1999 season due to a broken leg)[[/note]] and the first Formula One driver to beat [[Series/TopGear The Stig]] round the Top Gear test track[[note]]although his reputation as a "number two" pilot - including, but not limited to, the 2002 Austrian GP incident - and the large number of [=DNFs=] racked up during his tenures in Jordan and Honda make him something of a laughingstock amongst the very Brazilian auto racing observers[[/note]] and Felipe Massa, the driver who was beaten by Lewis Hamilton for the championship [[DownToTheLastPlay in the very last corner]] of the 2008 season[[note]]and they weren't even in direct competition within the race; Hamilton needed to finish [=6th=] [=5th=] or higher to get the title should Massa win the race, which he did; and, as luck would have it, Toyota driver Timo Glock was holding Hamilton to 7th 6th right up until the final turn, where he let up and let Hamilton pass him to finish right at the minimal position he needed to be crowned champion.[[/note]]
4th Mar '17 3:18:21 AM AndyLA
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* Brazilians also has some famous UsefulNotes/FormulaOne drivers. This includes three time champion and one of the greatest Formula One drivers of all time by the name of Ayrton Senna (RIP)[[note]]Senna was the last formula-one driver to be killed by a crash while racing[[/note]]; Nelson Piquet Sr., who is also a three time champion himself; Emerson Fittipaldi, a two time champion and the first Brazilian to do so, and infamously switching from [=McLaren=] to his family team (Fittipaldi Automotive) which indirectly being the main catalyst of [[Film/Rush2013 the 1976 season championship battle]][[note]]Had Fittipaldi not left [=McLaren=], his replacement James Hunt would probably not getting a drive that year due to the folding of Hesketh[[/note]]; Rubens Barrichello, the driver with most starts in Formula One[[note]]322 starts in 19 seasons, 16 more than Michael Schumacher in 18 and a half seasons (Schumi missed half of the 1999 season due to a broken leg)[[/note]] and the first Formula One driver to beat [[Series/TopGear The Stig]] round the Top Gear test track; and Felipe Massa, the driver who were beaten by Lewis Hamilton for the championship [[DownToTheLastPlay in the very last corner]] of the 2008 season.

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* Brazilians also has some famous UsefulNotes/FormulaOne drivers. This includes three time champion and one of the greatest Formula One drivers of all time by the name of Ayrton Senna (RIP)[[note]]Senna was the last formula-one [=F1=] driver to be killed by a crash while racing[[/note]]; racing; while Jules Bianchi's death was as a result of his accident in the 2014 Japanese GP (20 years after Senna's death, at that), he spent nine months in a coma before dying[[/note]]; Nelson Piquet Sr., who is also a three time champion himself; Emerson Fittipaldi, a two time champion and the first Brazilian to do so, and infamously switching from [=McLaren=] to his family team (Fittipaldi Automotive) which indirectly being the main catalyst of [[Film/Rush2013 the 1976 season championship battle]][[note]]Had Fittipaldi not left [=McLaren=], his replacement James Hunt would probably not getting a drive that year due to the folding of Hesketh[[/note]]; Rubens Barrichello, the driver with most starts in Formula One[[note]]322 starts in 19 seasons, 16 more than Michael Schumacher in 18 and a half seasons (Schumi missed half of the 1999 season due to a broken leg)[[/note]] and the first Formula One driver to beat [[Series/TopGear The Stig]] round the Top Gear test track; track[[note]]although his reputation as a "number two" pilot - including, but not limited to, the 2002 Austrian GP incident - and the large number of [=DNFs=] racked up during his tenures in Jordan and Honda make him something of a laughingstock amongst the very Brazilian auto racing observers[[/note]] and Felipe Massa, the driver who were was beaten by Lewis Hamilton for the championship [[DownToTheLastPlay in the very last corner]] of the 2008 season.
season[[note]]and they weren't even in direct competition within the race; Hamilton needed to finish [=6th=] or higher to get the title should Massa win the race, which he did; and, as luck would have it, Toyota driver Timo Glock was holding Hamilton to 7th right up until the final turn, where he let up and let Hamilton pass him to finish right at the minimal position he needed to be crowned champion.[[/note]]
15th Feb '17 11:49:18 PM gayhazelmouse
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* Most Brazilians don't know anything about the Wright brothers. To them, the inventor of the aeroplane is Alberto Santos Dumont. Mostly because the French Fédération Aéronautique Internationale did not consider the Wright brothers' flier to "fly", but actually to "float", allegedly due to it's use of a catapult.

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* Most Brazilians don't know anything about the Wright brothers. To them, the inventor of the aeroplane is Alberto Santos Dumont. Mostly Dumont, mostly because the French Fédération Aéronautique Internationale did not consider the Wright brothers' flier to "fly", but actually to "float", allegedly due to it's use of a catapult.
15th Feb '17 11:46:22 PM gayhazelmouse
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* Most Brazilians don't know anything about the Wright brothers. To them, the inventor of the aeroplane is Alberto Santos Dumont. Mostly because the French Fédération Aéronautique Internationale did not consider the Wright brothers' flier to "fly", but actually to "float", allegedly due to it's use of a catapult. In reality, [[MisplacedNationalism their only real goal was having the first "Official" flight in France]], where UpperClassTwit Dumont, performed his experiments. The FAI later retracted this blatant [[MovingTheGoalposts obfuscation]] and granted the Wright Brothers the respect they deserve, but not Brazil, which even had the audacity to claim Dumont invented the aeroplane in the Rio Olympics.

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* Most Brazilians don't know anything about the Wright brothers. To them, the inventor of the aeroplane is Alberto Santos Dumont. Mostly because the French Fédération Aéronautique Internationale did not consider the Wright brothers' flier to "fly", but actually to "float", allegedly due to it's use of a catapult. In reality, [[MisplacedNationalism their only real goal was having the first "Official" flight in France]], where UpperClassTwit Dumont, performed his experiments. The FAI later retracted this blatant [[MovingTheGoalposts obfuscation]] and granted the Wright Brothers the respect they deserve, but not Brazil, which even had the audacity to claim Dumont invented the aeroplane in the Rio Olympics.
7th Nov '16 12:45:56 PM DarthWalrus
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* Most Brazilians don't know anything about the Wright brothers. To them, the inventor of the aeroplane is Alberto Santos Dumont. Mostly because the French Fédération Aéronautique Internationale did not consider the Wright brothers' flier to "fly", but actually to "float" (which more makes sense, considering it depended on a catapult to function).

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* Most Brazilians don't know anything about the Wright brothers. To them, the inventor of the aeroplane is Alberto Santos Dumont. Mostly because the French Fédération Aéronautique Internationale did not consider the Wright brothers' flier to "fly", but actually to "float" (which more makes sense, considering it depended on a catapult "float", allegedly due to function).it's use of a catapult. In reality, [[MisplacedNationalism their only real goal was having the first "Official" flight in France]], where UpperClassTwit Dumont, performed his experiments. The FAI later retracted this blatant [[MovingTheGoalposts obfuscation]] and granted the Wright Brothers the respect they deserve, but not Brazil, which even had the audacity to claim Dumont invented the aeroplane in the Rio Olympics.
3rd Nov '16 9:13:50 PM pvilla
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* Brazilians don't know anything about the Wright brothers. To them, the inventor of the airplane is Alberto Santos Dumont. Specifically, note that the Wright brothers' flier utilized a catapult, while Dumont's had wheels, a technicality the French Fédération Aéronautique Internationale used as an excuse to note the French-Brazillian Dumont over the American Wrights, despite Dumont's flight being in ''1906'', the FAI being founded in ''1905'', and the Wrights flying in ''1903''. 3 years is obviously less important than being French-Brazilian. While the FAI wised up and acknowledged the Wrights, to this day, Brazilians still see Dumont as the true father of flight, never that someone else did it three years ago.

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* Most Brazilians don't know anything about the Wright brothers. To them, the inventor of the airplane aeroplane is Alberto Santos Dumont. Specifically, note that the Wright brothers' flier utilized a catapult, while Dumont's had wheels, a technicality Mostly because the French Fédération Aéronautique Internationale used as an excuse to note did not consider the French-Brazillian Dumont over the American Wrights, despite Dumont's flight being in ''1906'', the FAI being founded in ''1905'', and the Wrights flying in ''1903''. 3 years is obviously less important than being French-Brazilian. While the FAI wised up and acknowledged the Wrights, Wright brothers' flier to this day, Brazilians still see Dumont as the true father of flight, never that someone else did "fly", but actually to "float" (which more makes sense, considering it three years ago.depended on a catapult to function).
30th Sep '16 1:09:08 PM Larkmarn
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** Even so, Alberto Santos-Dumont also is agreed, worldwide, to have designed and built the first airship to be fully controllable by its pilot, so that still puts Brazil on the map as one of the leading pioneers of aviation.
*** To this very day, Brazil is widely respected in aviation and aerospace. A good portion of modern regional airliners are built in Brazil, many by the firm Embraer, which recently surpassed Canadair as market leader for regional-jets. A good portion of the International Space Station's life-support hardware was contributed by Brazil.
17th Sep '16 3:57:52 AM Dedars1
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But one tip though: despite most Brazilians acknowledging all this, they [[BerserkButton tend to be a little defensive towards outside criticism]], in part due to the perception that such criticism may be masking "imperialistic intentions".[[note]]This perception does have some historical basis as the military coup in Brazil in 1964 and the horrid dictatorship that followed did receive tacit support from the US government, although the level of direct intervention never reached that in Central America countries.[[/note]] And, to be fair, not all politicians are bad and, after decades of severe problems, Brazil was finally enjoying a good period up to 2016, thanks mainly to the successive PSDB and PT governments since 1994 not screwing up ''too'' badly. Recently, the president suffered an Impeachment, which some people consider groundless and refer to it as a Coup, while others consider it fair based on fiscal responsibility crimes the former president supposedly commited. This debate is very long and very polarizing for the Brazilian populace, so let's leave it at that.

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But one tip though: despite most Brazilians acknowledging all this, they [[BerserkButton tend to be a little defensive towards outside criticism]], in part due to the perception that such criticism may be masking "imperialistic intentions".[[note]]This perception does have some historical basis as the military coup in Brazil in 1964 and the horrid dictatorship that followed did receive tacit support from the US government, although the level of direct intervention never reached that in Central America countries.[[/note]] And, to be fair, not all politicians are bad and, after decades of severe problems, Brazil was finally enjoying a good period up to 2016, thanks mainly to the successive PSDB and PT governments since 1994 not screwing up ''too'' badly. Recently, the president suffered an Impeachment, which some several people consider groundless and refer to it as a Coup, while others some consider it fair based on fiscal responsibility crimes the former president supposedly commited. This debate is very long and very polarizing for the Brazilian populace, so let's leave it at that.
16th Sep '16 9:03:52 PM StevieC
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** Even so, Alberto Santos-Dumont also is agreed, worldwide, to have designed and built the first airship to be fully controllable by its pilot, so that still puts Brazil on the map as one of the leading pioneers of aviation.
*** To this very day, Brazil is widely respected in aviation and aerospace. A good portion of modern regional airliners are built in Brazil, many by the firm Embraer, which recently surpassed Canadair as market leader for regional-jets. A good portion of the International Space Station's life-support hardware was contributed by Brazil.
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