History UsefulNotes / ArabIsraeliConflict

24th Sep '16 2:03:49 PM nombretomado
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* The controversial 2008 Channel4 mini-series ''The Promise'', directed by the equally controversial British director Peter Kosminsky (who himself is of Polish Jewish descent). It focuses on British paratroopers fighting the Irgun (real-life Zionist [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters freedom fighters/terrorists]]) post-1945, as well as contemporary Israel fighting off Palestinian extremism in Gaza in very much the same way. Arguably has a pro-Palestinian slant [[note]]It delves a lot into the radical Jewish militants' atrocities, but ignores that of the Palestinians.[[/note]], but blames the British mandate more than anyone else.[[note]]The series ''does'' however take a lot of time to explore and explain the Jewish fighters' motivations[[/note]].

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* The controversial 2008 Channel4 Creator/Channel4 mini-series ''The Promise'', directed by the equally controversial British director Peter Kosminsky (who himself is of Polish Jewish descent). It focuses on British paratroopers fighting the Irgun (real-life Zionist [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters freedom fighters/terrorists]]) post-1945, as well as contemporary Israel fighting off Palestinian extremism in Gaza in very much the same way. Arguably has a pro-Palestinian slant [[note]]It delves a lot into the radical Jewish militants' atrocities, but ignores that of the Palestinians.[[/note]], but blames the British mandate more than anyone else.[[note]]The series ''does'' however take a lot of time to explore and explain the Jewish fighters' motivations[[/note]].
23rd Sep '16 6:24:46 PM DoktorSoviet
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* In 1982 the PLO practically invades downtown Beirut in violation of the ceasefire they and the Israelis signed the July before, causing an acceleration in a messy ethnic and religious balkanization. In response Israel heavily bombs Beirut ''also'' in violation of said ceasefire; and unsurprisingly the ceasefire collapses and over 300 people are killed and a thousand wounded. A group known as the Abu Nidal Organization, headed by a man who had parted ways with the PLO a decade earlier and had since launched attacks on both Israeli and PLO officials, attempts to assassinate the Israeli ambassador to London; in response, Israel heavily bombs both the ANO and PLO in Lebanon. Rocket attacks are launched by the PLO as it steps up attempts to depose of the relatively Israeli-friendly Lebanese government and Israel invades Lebanon again, this time as part of a byzantine alliance with various Lebanese militias fighting against the PLO and other Lebanese militias aligned with it. Israeli troops and their allies besiege the PLO-held areas of Beirut for a month, inflicting heavy casualties on the PLO but leading to immense carnage among both both Palestinian refugees and Lebanese civilians caught in the crossfire. During the conflict, the Lebanese Christian Phalangist militia massacred up to three thousand Palestinian refugees in Sabra and Shatila. The independent Israeli Kahan Commission finds that the IDF was indirectly responsible for the business because of their failure to figure out what the Phalangists were about to do and to stop them, and that then-Defense Minister ArielSharon had "personal responsibility" for the events as he was the CO who was caught with his pants down; Sharon was forced to resign. In the end the Israelis withdraw and the PLO leadership in Lebanon is exiled for nearly 20 years, but is quickly replaced by various Lebanese Shi'a militias. Hezbollah makes a name for itself in this period with shockingly effective attacks on Israeli and southern Lebanese Army bases and effectively drives Israel out of Lebanon using the skills Iran taught it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBWEQpsFTFs

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* In 1982 the PLO practically invades downtown Beirut in violation of the ceasefire they and the Israelis signed the July before, causing an acceleration in a messy ethnic and religious balkanization. In response Israel heavily bombs Beirut ''also'' in violation of said ceasefire; and unsurprisingly the ceasefire collapses and over 300 people are killed and a thousand wounded. A group known as the Abu Nidal Organization, headed by a man who had parted ways with the PLO a decade earlier and had since launched attacks on both Israeli and PLO officials, attempts to assassinate the Israeli ambassador to London; in response, Israel heavily bombs both the ANO and PLO in Lebanon. Rocket attacks are launched by the PLO as it steps up attempts to depose of the relatively Israeli-friendly Lebanese government and Israel invades Lebanon again, this time as part of a byzantine alliance with various Lebanese militias fighting against the PLO and other Lebanese militias aligned with it. Israeli troops and their allies besiege the PLO-held areas of Beirut for a month, inflicting heavy casualties on the PLO but leading to immense carnage among both both Palestinian refugees and Lebanese civilians caught in the crossfire. During the conflict, the Lebanese Christian Phalangist militia massacred up to three thousand Palestinian refugees in Sabra and Shatila. The independent Israeli Kahan Commission finds that the IDF was indirectly responsible for the business because of their failure to figure out what the Phalangists were about to do and to stop them, and that then-Defense Minister ArielSharon had "personal responsibility" for the events as he was the CO who was caught with his pants down; Sharon was forced to resign. In the end the Israelis withdraw and the PLO leadership in Lebanon is exiled for nearly 20 years, but is quickly replaced by various Lebanese Shi'a militias. Hezbollah makes a name for itself in this period with shockingly effective attacks on Israeli and southern Lebanese Army bases and effectively drives Israel out of Lebanon using the skills Iran taught it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBWEQpsFTFscom/watch?v=NBWEQpsFTFs A Multinational Coalition occupies downtown Beirut to help clean up in the aftermath of the Lebanese civil war by evacuating PLO and helping the Lebanese military maintain order in the city. The marine barracks is bombed in October by Hezbollah suicide bombers, killing 241 American servicemen and 58 French servicemen. This effectively caused the civil war to resume as the Multinational force began to strike Hezbollah and its allies, Syria and the Shiite militias, in the city. It looked like there might be a full military intervention by the United States, but President RonaldReagan was pressured by Congress to order the withdrawal of the marines in Beirut.
21st Aug '16 3:53:57 AM Morgenthaler
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* UsefulNotes/WorldWarI: Actually ''not'' an example, since the TurksWithTroops hated almost everybody equally and Arab Nationalists fought alongside Zionists in the Western Allied militaries to throw them out of what is now Israel/Palestine, which they eventually did to much rejoicing. What makes this important enough to list is that it sets the groundwork of the conflict when the time came to divvy up the spoils. This was because the British, in order to bring both the Jews and the Arabs as into the war, [[PlayingBothSides simultaneously promised]] Palestine to both the Zionists (in the Balfour Declaration) ''and'' the Arabs under Hussein bin Ali, Sharif of Mecca (in the [=McMahon=]–Hussein Correspondence).[[note]]Although Britain may have actually been planning to double-cross both sides and share the Ottoman territory with the French through the Sykes-Picot Agreement instead.[[/note]] And for the purposes of this article, ''that'' is [[StartOfDarkness where the big problems start]].

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* UsefulNotes/WorldWarI: Actually ''not'' an example, since the TurksWithTroops UsefulNotes/TurksWithTroops hated almost everybody equally and Arab Nationalists fought alongside Zionists in the Western Allied militaries to throw them out of what is now Israel/Palestine, which they eventually did to much rejoicing. What makes this important enough to list is that it sets the groundwork of the conflict when the time came to divvy up the spoils. This was because the British, in order to bring both the Jews and the Arabs as into the war, [[PlayingBothSides simultaneously promised]] Palestine to both the Zionists (in the Balfour Declaration) ''and'' the Arabs under Hussein bin Ali, Sharif of Mecca (in the [=McMahon=]–Hussein Correspondence).[[note]]Although Britain may have actually been planning to double-cross both sides and share the Ottoman territory with the French through the Sykes-Picot Agreement instead.[[/note]] And for the purposes of this article, ''that'' is [[StartOfDarkness where the big problems start]].
11th Aug '16 5:28:28 AM Morgenthaler
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* UsefulNotes/WorldWarII: From a base in nominally Vichy Syria-Lebanon, Haj Amin al-Husseini casts his lot with the Axis and takes part in a coup in Baghdad in 1941 that unseated the British-installed Iraqi Monarch, declared itself for the Axis, and began a bloody purge (the Farhud) in Baghdad.... For all of a few weeks before [[CurbStompBattle the British shifted enough troops over and smashed the revolt with the help of loyalists.]] From there, the British track down the source of Axis air support for the coup and where a lot of the fighters fled to the largely nationalist-run Syria-Lebanon colony and promptly invade that too, along with Iran for good measure. Al-Husseini spends the remainder of the war making propaganda broadcasts in Germany and recruiting Muslims into the Waffen-SS. Al-Husseini [[UnfortunateImplications even befriended]] UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler and was rumored to help UsefulNotes/NaziGermany in the Holocaust, up to and including plans for a death camp at Nablus and recruitment and propagandizing for Arab and Muslim recruits to the Axis militaries. At the same time, Mussolini tries to cash in by claiming FascistItaly as a protector of the Muslims of the world, and various other pro-Axis conspirators move around in dark alleys and try to support Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. Ironically this is the same time a group of Zionist militants, Lehi, who were out there even by the low standards of paramilitarism in British Palestine try to [[TooDumbToLive make an alliance with Hitler]], possibly up to a death camp of their own for use on the resident Arabs in Israel. To their credit, most don't really notice. But a lot of the conspirators either leave a lasting mark on the discourse the issue will be fought with (Haj Amin in particular is often credited as the founder of Palestinian nationalism) or would later become important, like Nasser, Sadat, and Lehi leader Yitzhak Shamir (a future Israeli Prime Minister).

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* UsefulNotes/WorldWarII: From a base in nominally Vichy Syria-Lebanon, Haj Amin al-Husseini casts his lot with the Axis and takes part in a coup in Baghdad in 1941 that unseated the British-installed Iraqi Monarch, declared itself for the Axis, and began a bloody purge (the Farhud) in Baghdad.... For all of a few weeks before [[CurbStompBattle the British shifted enough troops over and smashed the revolt with the help of loyalists.]] From there, the British track down the source of Axis air support for the coup and where a lot of the fighters fled to the largely nationalist-run Syria-Lebanon colony and promptly invade that too, along with Iran for good measure. Al-Husseini spends the remainder of the war making propaganda broadcasts in Germany and recruiting Muslims into the Waffen-SS. Al-Husseini [[UnfortunateImplications even befriended]] UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler and was rumored to help UsefulNotes/NaziGermany in the Holocaust, up to and including plans for a death camp at Nablus and recruitment and propagandizing for Arab and Muslim recruits to the Axis militaries. At the same time, Mussolini tries to cash in by claiming FascistItaly UsefulNotes/FascistItaly as a protector of the Muslims of the world, and various other pro-Axis conspirators move around in dark alleys and try to support Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. Ironically this is the same time a group of Zionist militants, Lehi, who were out there even by the low standards of paramilitarism in British Palestine try to [[TooDumbToLive make an alliance with Hitler]], possibly up to a death camp of their own for use on the resident Arabs in Israel. To their credit, most don't really notice. But a lot of the conspirators either leave a lasting mark on the discourse the issue will be fought with (Haj Amin in particular is often credited as the founder of Palestinian nationalism) or would later become important, like Nasser, Sadat, and Lehi leader Yitzhak Shamir (a future Israeli Prime Minister).
15th Jul '16 11:51:24 PM karstovich2
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* Manages to appear in the ''Literature/HyperionCantos'', in which [[ColonizedSolarSystem Mars]] has become home to the Palestinians after this conflict turns into a big ShaggyDogStory: the Palestinians manage to win their independence, only for an unrelated Middle Eastern nuclear war to render Palestine uninhabitable within ''weeks'' of the establishment of the new state. The remaining Palestinians decamp to the Red Planet as a result; among their descendants are [[ColonelBadass Col. Fedmahn Kassad]]. (The Israelis/Jews, for their part, appear to have responded to the same disaster by settling a planet in another system that they named Hebron, which consists of the metropolis New Jerusalem and a surrounding desert containing a number of kibbutzim--one of which is eventually home to Sol Weintraub and his family, which includes [[spoiler:Rachael Weintraub, a/k/a Moneta, a/k/a Col. Kassad's lover.]].)

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* Manages to appear in the ''Literature/HyperionCantos'', in which [[ColonizedSolarSystem Mars]] has become home to the Palestinians after this conflict turns into a big ShaggyDogStory: ShootTheShaggyDog story: the Palestinians manage to win their independence, only for an unrelated Middle Eastern nuclear war to render Palestine uninhabitable within ''weeks'' of the establishment of the new state. The remaining Palestinians decamp to the Red Planet as a result; among their descendants are [[ColonelBadass Col. Fedmahn Kassad]]. (The Israelis/Jews, for their part, appear to have responded to the same disaster by settling a planet in another system that they named Hebron, which consists of the metropolis New Jerusalem and a surrounding desert containing a number of kibbutzim--one of which is eventually home to Sol Weintraub and his family, which includes [[spoiler:Rachael Weintraub, a/k/a Moneta, a/k/a Col. Kassad's lover.]].)
15th Jul '16 11:49:15 PM karstovich2
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* Manages to appear in the ''Literature/HyperionCantos'', in which [[ColonizedSolarSystem Mars]] has become home to the Palestinians after this conflict turns into a big ShaggyDogStory: the Palestinians manage to win their independence, only for an unrelated Middle Eastern nuclear war to render Palestine uninhabitable within ''weeks'' of the establishment of the new state. The remaining Palestinians decamp to the Red Planet as a result; among their descendants are [[ColonelBadass Col. Fedmahn Kassad]]. (The Israelis/Jews, for their part, appear to have responded to the same disaster by settling a planet in another system that they named Hebron, which consists of the metropolis New Jerusalem and a surrounding desert containing a number of kibbutzim--one of which is eventually home to Sol Weintraub and his family, which includes [[spoiler:Rachael Weintraub, a/k/a Moneta, a/k/a Col. Kassad's lover.]].)
9th Jul '16 10:10:55 AM Macecurb
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See also: UsefulNotes/IsraelisWithInfraredMissiles, UsefulNotes/EgyptiansWithEagleFighters, and UsefulNotes/WarriorsOfTheDesertWind.

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See also: UsefulNotes/IsraelisWithInfraredMissiles, UsefulNotes/EgyptiansWithEagleFighters, and UsefulNotes/WarriorsOfTheDesertWind.
Main/WarriorsOfTheDesertWind.
9th Jul '16 10:07:16 AM Macecurb
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The conflict can fall into the lines in the WithUsOrAgainstUs category as well. Countries and groups taking sides of this conflict will often find themselves with ''really'' negative attitudes and diplomatic relations with the other party. This is one of the main reasons why the United States's support of Israel makes it extremely difficult to maintain good diplomatic relations with many Arab majority countries. At the same time, Russia's military and economic support with many Arab regimes like Syria's Assad's regime [[note]]along with Russia's bad history of anti-Semitism[[/note]] made it difficult [[note]]but improving when compared to the Soviet Union times[[/note]] to maintain good relations with Israel. On the other hand, many countries managed to TakeAThirdOption and decided ''not'' to take sides in the conflict; many of said countries have managed to maintain stable and reasonable relations with both parties. [[note]]China fits into this group; see TheOtherWiki's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Arab_relations articles]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Israel_relations on this]].[[/note]]

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The conflict can fall into the lines in the WithUsOrAgainstUs category as well. Countries and groups taking sides of this conflict will often find themselves with ''really'' negative attitudes and diplomatic relations with the other party. This is one of the main reasons why the United States's support of Israel makes it extremely difficult to maintain good diplomatic relations with many Arab majority countries. At the same time, Russia's military and economic support with many Arab regimes like Syria's Assad's regime [[note]]along with Russia's bad history of anti-Semitism[[/note]] made it difficult [[note]]but improving when compared to the Soviet Union times[[/note]] to maintain good relations with Israel. On the other hand, many countries managed to TakeAThirdOption and decided ''not'' to take sides in the conflict; many of said countries have managed to maintain stable and reasonable relations with both parties. [[note]]China fits into this group; see TheOtherWiki's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Arab_relations articles]] [[http://en.[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Israel_relations org/wiki/China-Israel_relations on this]].[[/note]]
31st May '16 6:36:24 AM Doug86
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* UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne: Actually ''not'' an example, since the TurksWithTroops hated almost everybody equally and Arab Nationalists fought alongside Zionists in the Western Allied militaries to throw them out of what is now Israel/Palestine, which they eventually did to much rejoicing. What makes this important enough to list is that it sets the groundwork of the conflict when the time came to divvy up the spoils. This was because the British, in order to bring both the Jews and the Arabs as into the war, [[PlayingBothSides simultaneously promised]] Palestine to both the Zionists (in the Balfour Declaration) ''and'' the Arabs under Hussein bin Ali, Sharif of Mecca (in the [=McMahon=]–Hussein Correspondence).[[note]]Although Britain may have actually been planning to double-cross both sides and share the Ottoman territory with the French through the Sykes-Picot Agreement instead.[[/note]] And for the purposes of this article, ''that'' is [[StartOfDarkness where the big problems start]].

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* UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne: UsefulNotes/WorldWarI: Actually ''not'' an example, since the TurksWithTroops hated almost everybody equally and Arab Nationalists fought alongside Zionists in the Western Allied militaries to throw them out of what is now Israel/Palestine, which they eventually did to much rejoicing. What makes this important enough to list is that it sets the groundwork of the conflict when the time came to divvy up the spoils. This was because the British, in order to bring both the Jews and the Arabs as into the war, [[PlayingBothSides simultaneously promised]] Palestine to both the Zionists (in the Balfour Declaration) ''and'' the Arabs under Hussein bin Ali, Sharif of Mecca (in the [=McMahon=]–Hussein Correspondence).[[note]]Although Britain may have actually been planning to double-cross both sides and share the Ottoman territory with the French through the Sykes-Picot Agreement instead.[[/note]] And for the purposes of this article, ''that'' is [[StartOfDarkness where the big problems start]].
12th May '16 2:10:34 AM Doug86
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It should also be noted that despite its length (well over 60 years) and the attention it gets on the international media, the ArabIsraeliConflict is actually one of the ''least'' bloody of the ongoing conflicts in the world today, with the combined death toll [[http://www.danielpipes.org/4990/arab-israeli-fatalities-rank-49th not even reaching the 60,000 mark.]] On the other hand, literally ''everyone'' in the area, Israelis and Palestinians, knows ''[[ItsPersonal someone]]'' [[ItsPersonal who was killed or injured by the other side]]... so perhaps the stubbornness involved is a little more understandable, no?

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It should also be noted that despite its length (well over 60 years) and the attention it gets on the international media, the ArabIsraeliConflict Arab-Israeli Conflict is actually one of the ''least'' bloody of the ongoing conflicts in the world today, with the combined death toll [[http://www.danielpipes.org/4990/arab-israeli-fatalities-rank-49th not even reaching the 60,000 mark.]] On the other hand, literally ''everyone'' in the area, Israelis and Palestinians, knows ''[[ItsPersonal someone]]'' [[ItsPersonal who was killed or injured by the other side]]... so perhaps the stubbornness involved is a little more understandable, no?
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