History UsefulNotes / AnimeAndManga

6th Feb '16 11:43:31 PM nombretomado
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Basically an animated show or movie done the Japanese way, with their iconic style of art. While the West seems to be in TheDarkAgeOfAnimation, Anime for a long time flourished in Japan and even outside it. The situation has changed somewhat, due in part to the East Asian economic crisis, changing Western tastes, Japan's aging demographics, and its unique TV situation (six network channels; satellite channels have about 10% penetration and cable isn't even a thing; shows that don't have strong appeal for the after-school crowd can't pull competitive ratings and [[OtakuOClock air in the red-eye time slots]]). Don't go thinking [[AnimationAgeGhetto all cartoons are for kids]], because Anime, like its originator Manga, is marketed across all demographics, from young children all the way up to senior citizens and middle-aged business men. Conversely,[[AllAnimeIsNaughtyTentacles not all anime consists of naughty tentacles]]: the majority is age appropriate for the demographic and hentai, essentially explicit or pornographic anime, while it exists, does not make up the majority of works in the genre. Anime is similarly differentiated from Western cartoons in similar ways as manga is to comics:

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Basically an animated show or movie done the Japanese way, with their iconic style of art. While the West seems to be in TheDarkAgeOfAnimation, UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfAnimation, Anime for a long time flourished in Japan and even outside it. The situation has changed somewhat, due in part to the East Asian economic crisis, changing Western tastes, Japan's aging demographics, and its unique TV situation (six network channels; satellite channels have about 10% penetration and cable isn't even a thing; shows that don't have strong appeal for the after-school crowd can't pull competitive ratings and [[OtakuOClock air in the red-eye time slots]]). Don't go thinking [[AnimationAgeGhetto all cartoons are for kids]], because Anime, like its originator Manga, is marketed across all demographics, from young children all the way up to senior citizens and middle-aged business men. Conversely,[[AllAnimeIsNaughtyTentacles not all anime consists of naughty tentacles]]: the majority is age appropriate for the demographic and hentai, essentially explicit or pornographic anime, while it exists, does not make up the majority of works in the genre. Anime is similarly differentiated from Western cartoons in similar ways as manga is to comics:
18th Aug '15 8:13:46 PM nombretomado
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!JapaneseHonorifics and UsefulNotes/NamesInJapanese.

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!JapaneseHonorifics !UsefulNotes/JapaneseHonorifics and UsefulNotes/NamesInJapanese.
23rd Jul '15 6:11:01 PM nombretomado
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Anime is somewhat of a different story. While there are Korean and Chinese anime, it's pretty much non-existent in the West, or even on the internet, so good luck with that. Anime's influence however has definitely been felt worldwide, and many animated works tend to be {{Animesque}}, or created with a similar style or in the spirit of Japanese animation (''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'', ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack'', ''MegasXLR'', etc.). While there isn't exactly anything Western that one could pin down and say ''is'' Western anime, ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' is the closest thing you can find.

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Anime is somewhat of a different story. While there are Korean and Chinese anime, it's pretty much non-existent in the West, or even on the internet, so good luck with that. Anime's influence however has definitely been felt worldwide, and many animated works tend to be {{Animesque}}, or created with a similar style or in the spirit of Japanese animation (''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'', ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack'', ''MegasXLR'', ''WesternAnimation/MegasXLR'', etc.). While there isn't exactly anything Western that one could pin down and say ''is'' Western anime, ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' is the closest thing you can find.
1st Jun '15 9:17:28 AM TheKaizerreich
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* ''(name)-sama'': Pretty much the equivalent of 'lord', it's extremely respectful and used to address gods, nobility or just someone you revere above all others. More common in historical-based works, unless it's used jokingly, but in very strict Japanese house holds it is still common to adress the parents and older siblings this way. Also see the OneeSame trope, which typically has a SchoolGirlLesbians bend when it's not an actual older sister.

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* ''(name)-sama'': Pretty much the equivalent of 'lord', it's extremely respectful and used to address gods, nobility or just someone you revere above all others. More common in historical-based works, unless it's used jokingly, but in very strict Japanese house holds it is still common to adress the parents and older siblings this way. Also see the OneeSame OneeSama trope, which typically has a SchoolGirlLesbians bend when it's not an actual older sister.
1st Jun '15 9:16:39 AM TheKaizerreich
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* '''Seinen''', despite being the older counterpart to Shonen, is in many ways vastly different. While many works still involve action, psychology and personal drama start coming into play. Plot and character interaction are more important, and there is a strong sense of DarkerAndEdgier. Conversely, there are those titles that are definitely holdovers from Shonen, just with sexier women, more romance, and explicit material with older protagonists. Hentai is also under the header of Seinen, and if you want yaoi that is actually written for and by gay men, as opposed to for and by women, then you'll want {{Bara}}, which is seinen.

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* '''Seinen''', despite being the older counterpart to Shonen, is in many ways vastly different. While many works still involve action, psychology and personal drama start coming into play. Plot and character interaction are more important, and there is a strong sense of DarkerAndEdgier. Conversely, there are those titles that are definitely holdovers from Shonen, just with sexier women, more romance, and explicit material with older protagonists. Hentai is also under the header of Seinen, and if you want yaoi that is actually written for and by gay men, as opposed to for and by women, then you'll want {{Bara}}, which is seinen.
seinen or OtokonokoGenre, which strictly involves more girly cross-dressing characters usually, but not always, engaging in [[invoked]] HoYay.



* ''(name)-sama'': Pretty much the equivalent of 'lord', it's extremely respectful and used to address gods, nobility or just someone you revere above all others. More common in historical-based works, unless it's used jokingly.

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* ''(name)-sama'': Pretty much the equivalent of 'lord', it's extremely respectful and used to address gods, nobility or just someone you revere above all others. More common in historical-based works, unless it's used jokingly.
jokingly, but in very strict Japanese house holds it is still common to adress the parents and older siblings this way. Also see the OneeSame trope, which typically has a SchoolGirlLesbians bend when it's not an actual older sister.
1st Jun '15 9:10:53 AM TheKaizerreich
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* {{Sentai}}: A team of fighters with matching uniforms and crazy poses and attack speeches. Think ''Series/MightyMorphinPowerRangers'' and you'll know exactly what this genre, is but animated.

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* {{Sentai}}: A team of fighters with matching uniforms and crazy poses and attack speeches. Think ''Series/MightyMorphinPowerRangers'' and you'll know exactly what this genre, is but genre is, except animated.



* MagicalGirl: A cute young girl, often a preteen, can use some form of magic, and she uses it to fight evil against great odds. There's more to it than that but you get the gist. Exemplified by ''Franchise/SailorMoon'' and ''Manga/CardcaptorSakura''.

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* MagicalGirl: A cute young girl, often a preteen, can use some form of magic, and she uses it to fight evil against great odds. There's more to it than that but you get the gist. Exemplified by ''Franchise/SailorMoon'' and ''Manga/CardcaptorSakura''. There are also 3 common sub-genres:
** the CuteWitch, who is an inherently magically gifted character
** the MagicIdolSinger, who is either a girl who defeats crime via things like MagicMusic or uses her magic to ''become'' an idol
** the MagicalGirlWarrior, which sometimes incorporates elements of {{Sentai}}, where the story is about the protagonist(s) defeating evil with magic and action in a SuperHero style tale; MagicalGirlWarrior series like the aforementioned ''Franchise/SailorMoon'' are the most known in the west



* {{Harem|Genre}}: In which a guy, who may or may not be deserving, is saddled with a veritable harem of girls who are fighting for his love. He may be ObliviousToLove or just not like any of them. Again though, HilarityEnsues.

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* {{Harem|Genre}}: In which a guy, guy (or more rarely a girl), who may or may not be deserving, is saddled with a veritable harem of boys and/or girls who are fighting for his the protagonists love. He (S)he may be ObliviousToLove or just not like any of them. Again though, HilarityEnsues.
1st Jun '15 8:57:18 AM TheKaizerreich
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So remember, if you hear a character by the name of Akira being talked about, it's just as likely a male as a female. And likewise, a character named Tomoyo is going to be a girl a while Tomoya would be a boy. Also, there isn't a standard for Japanese-to-English romanization, so things can get a bit wonky when it crosses the sea. You'll want to see JapaneseRomanization for that. One big thing to know though it that the 'L' sound [[JapaneseRanguage doesn't exist in Japanese]], and will usually be replaced with an 'R' sound for non-Japanese names and words in original dialogue. It's how you get names like [[SpellMyNameWithAnS Rorand turning into Roland]] once it's translated.

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So remember, if you hear a character by the name of Akira being talked about, it's just as likely a male as a female. And likewise, Likewise, a character named Tomoyo is going to be a girl a while a Tomoya would be a boy. Also, there isn't a standard for Japanese-to-English romanization, so things can get a bit wonky when it crosses the sea. You'll want to see JapaneseRomanization for that. One big thing to know though it that the 'L' sound [[JapaneseRanguage doesn't exist in Japanese]], and will usually be replaced with an 'R' sound for non-Japanese names and words in original dialogue. It's how you get names like [[SpellMyNameWithAnS Rorand turning into Roland]] once it's translated.
1st Jun '15 8:55:56 AM TheKaizerreich
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So remember, if you hear a character by the name of Akira being talked about, it's just as likely a male as a female. And likewise, a character named Tomoyo is going to be a girl. Also, there isn't a standard for Japanese-to-English romanization, so things can get a bit wonky when it crosses the sea. You'll want to see JapaneseRomanization for that. One big thing to know though it that the 'L' sound [[JapaneseRanguage doesn't exist in Japanese]], and will usually be replaced with an 'R' sound for non-Japanese names and words in original dialogue. It's how you get names like [[SpellMyNameWithAnS Rorand turning into Roland]] once it's translated.

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So remember, if you hear a character by the name of Akira being talked about, it's just as likely a male as a female. And likewise, a character named Tomoyo is going to be a girl.girl a while Tomoya would be a boy. Also, there isn't a standard for Japanese-to-English romanization, so things can get a bit wonky when it crosses the sea. You'll want to see JapaneseRomanization for that. One big thing to know though it that the 'L' sound [[JapaneseRanguage doesn't exist in Japanese]], and will usually be replaced with an 'R' sound for non-Japanese names and words in original dialogue. It's how you get names like [[SpellMyNameWithAnS Rorand turning into Roland]] once it's translated.
25th Feb '15 12:33:29 PM N1KF
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!Translation, [[Changes and Censoring outside of Japan

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!Translation, [[Changes Changes and Censoring outside of Japan
25th Feb '15 12:31:13 PM N1KF
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!Translation, Changes and Censoring outside of Japan

So, translation issues, the bane of anime and manga fans' existence. These days it's not nearly as much of an issue as it once was and anime is quite widely translated with considerable accuracy, but back in the day people seemed to think that Westerners wouldn't like the shows unless all of the culture was cut out as thoroughly as possible and replaced with an American equivalent. Names were changed, sometimes to something similar sounding but Western, other time to something that seemed more or less random. Dialogue was changed completely, or censored within an inch of the show's life, sometimes because of the mistaken thought that shows in higher demographics were only appealing to lower demographics in the West. Thus, you got shows for teenagers and adults being touted as kids shows, requiring significant rewriting. There's also the issue that the Japanese are less likely to censor television in general, such as shows for kids having mild cursing or innuendo, or showing or hinting at homosexual relationships. Homosexual characters in general were often either [[HideYourLesbians given different dialogue]], cutting out the most offensive episodes if necessary, in an attempt to write it out of the show, or if possible, they outright [[ShesAManInJapan changed the character's gender in the translation.]]

So given all of this, one can see how long time fans might have issues with dubs, if for no other reason than in the past, many were so far from what they were supposed to be. This is completely disregarding the fact that some early dubbing wasn't as well matched to the mouth-flaps as they are now. So while there are many dubbed anime which are excellent, especially recently as more dubbing companies are getting good at it and are listening to the fans cries for staying original to the source material, and some few jewels are even considered on par or ''better'' than the original, many fans swear by watching anime with subtitles. It's really up to you to decide which you like better, just keep your mind open.

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!Translation, Changes [[Changes and Censoring outside of Japan

So, translation issues, the bane of anime and manga fans' existence. These days it's not nearly as much of an issue as it once was and anime is quite widely translated with considerable accuracy, but back in the day people seemed to think that Westerners wouldn't like the shows unless unless all of the culture was cut out as thoroughly as possible and [[CulturalTranslation replaced with an American equivalent. equivalent]]. [[DubNameChange Names were changed, changed]], sometimes to something similar sounding but Western, other time to something that seemed more or less random. Dialogue was changed completely, or censored [[{{Bowdlerization}} censored]] within an inch of the show's life, sometimes because of the mistaken thought that shows in higher demographics were only appealing to lower demographics in the West. Thus, you got shows for teenagers and adults being touted as kids shows, requiring significant rewriting. There's also the issue that [[ValuesDissonance the Japanese are less likely to censor television in general, general]], such as shows for kids having mild cursing or innuendo, or showing or hinting at homosexual relationships. Homosexual characters in general were often either [[HideYourLesbians given different dialogue]], [[BannedInChina cutting out the most offensive episodes if necessary, necessary]], in an attempt to [[{{Bowdlerization}} write it out of the show, show]], or if possible, they outright [[ShesAManInJapan changed the character's gender in the translation.]]

translation]].

So given all of this, one can see how long time fans might [[{{Macekre}} have issues with dubs, dubs]], if for no other reason than in the past, many were so far from what they were supposed to be. This is completely disregarding the fact that some early dubbing wasn't as well matched to the mouth-flaps as they are now. So while there are many dubbed anime which are excellent, especially recently as more dubbing companies are getting good at it and are listening to the fans cries for staying original to the source material, and some few jewels are even considered on par or ''better'' ''[[SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing better]]'' than the original, many fans swear by watching anime with subtitles. It's really up to you to decide which you like better, just keep your mind open.



Anime is somewhat of a different story. While there are Korean and Chinese anime, it's pretty much non-existent in the West, or even on the internet, so good luck with that. Anime's influence however has definitely been felt worldwide, and many animated works tend to be {{Animesque}}, or created with a similar style or in the spirit of Japanese animation (WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender, WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack, MegasXLR, etc.). While there isn't exactly anything Western that one could pin down and say ''is'' Western anime, WebAnimation/{{RWBY}} is the closest thing you can find.

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Anime is somewhat of a different story. While there are Korean and Chinese anime, it's pretty much non-existent in the West, or even on the internet, so good luck with that. Anime's influence however has definitely been felt worldwide, and many animated works tend to be {{Animesque}}, or created with a similar style or in the spirit of Japanese animation (WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender, WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack, MegasXLR, (''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'', ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack'', ''MegasXLR'', etc.). While there isn't exactly anything Western that one could pin down and say ''is'' Western anime, WebAnimation/{{RWBY}} ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' is the closest thing you can find.
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