History TroubledProduction / ComicBooks

31st Oct '16 10:46:11 AM gewunomox
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* ComicBook/TheCloneSaga, the infamous storyline that would have temporarily shunted Peter Parker from his role as SpiderMan and giving it to his once-thought dead clone Ben Reilly, went wildly out of control when the story became mired in {{Writer Revolt}}s, ExecutiveMeddling, {{Padding}}, and [[CashCowFranchise old-fashioned greed]], expanding a story that would have only lasted a few months into a story that lasted ''years''. When the KudzuPlot ran rampant, EndingFatigue set in, and fans started to leave the titles in annoyance, Marvel was forced to figure out a way to set things back to StatusQuo.

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* ComicBook/TheCloneSaga, the infamous storyline that would have temporarily shunted Peter Parker from his role as SpiderMan and giving it to his once-thought dead clone Ben Reilly, went wildly out of control when the story became mired in {{Writer Revolt}}s, ExecutiveMeddling, {{Padding}}, and [[CashCowFranchise old-fashioned greed]], expanding a story that would have only lasted a few months into a story that lasted ''years''. When the KudzuPlot ran rampant, EndingFatigue set in, and fans started to leave the titles in annoyance, Marvel was forced to figure out a way to set things back to StatusQuo.Status Quo.
7th Oct '16 7:47:22 AM MarkLungo
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* Anything that isn't part of the mainstream Creator/MarvelComics tends to suffer from this. One of the more documented ones was ComicBook/TheNewUniverse. Touted as "The World Outside Your Window", the franchise fell apart from the beginning - writers tossed in 616-type elements (aliens, powered armors, etc.), financial backers pulled out before it even started, and people were too engrossed by that slogan. Despite canceling half of the franchise and starting a massive storyline that started with the destruction of UsefulNotes/{{Pittsburgh}}, it never got off its feet and died nearly three years later.

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* Anything that isn't part of the mainstream Creator/MarvelComics tends to suffer from this. One of the more documented ones was ComicBook/TheNewUniverse. Touted as "The World Outside Your Window", the franchise fell apart from the beginning - writers tossed in 616-type elements (aliens, powered armors, etc.), financial backers pulled out before it even started, and people were too engrossed by that slogan. Despite canceling half of the franchise and starting a massive storyline that started began with the destruction of UsefulNotes/{{Pittsburgh}}, it never got off its feet and died nearly three years later.
7th Oct '16 7:46:06 AM MarkLungo
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* Anything that isn't part of the mainstream Creator/MarvelComics tends to suffer from this. One of the more documented ones was ComicBook/TheNewUniverse. Touted as "The World Outside Your Window", the franchise fell apart from the beginning - writers tossed in 616-type elements (aliens, powered armors, etc.), financial backers pulled out before it even started, and people were too engrossed by that slogan. Despite canceling half of the franchise and starting a massive storyline that started with the destruction of Pittsburgh, it never got off its feet and died nearly three years later.
** ''newuniversal'' suffered an equally crushing blow when the files on WarrenEllis' laptop were lost when his hard drive failed. Marvel shuffled him on to other projects and ''newuniversal'' died an inglorious death.
** ''ComicBook/{{Marvel 2099}}'', which depicted a futuristic MarvelUniverse as a CyberPunk dystopia, wasn't the greatest, but when Marvel let go its editor-in-chief for that line as a cost-cutting measure thanks to its near-bankruptcy, many of its creators bailed due to their dislike of his replacement, leaving the series to limp to its end.

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* Anything that isn't part of the mainstream Creator/MarvelComics tends to suffer from this. One of the more documented ones was ComicBook/TheNewUniverse. Touted as "The World Outside Your Window", the franchise fell apart from the beginning - writers tossed in 616-type elements (aliens, powered armors, etc.), financial backers pulled out before it even started, and people were too engrossed by that slogan. Despite canceling half of the franchise and starting a massive storyline that started with the destruction of Pittsburgh, UsefulNotes/{{Pittsburgh}}, it never got off its feet and died nearly three years later.
** ''newuniversal'' suffered an equally crushing blow when the files on WarrenEllis' Creator/WarrenEllis' laptop were lost when his hard drive failed. Marvel shuffled him on to other projects and ''newuniversal'' died an inglorious death.
** ''ComicBook/{{Marvel 2099}}'', which depicted a futuristic MarvelUniverse Franchise/MarvelUniverse as a CyberPunk dystopia, wasn't the greatest, but when Marvel let go its editor-in-chief for that line as a cost-cutting measure thanks to its near-bankruptcy, many of its creators bailed due to their dislike of his replacement, leaving the series to limp to its end.
31st Jul '16 9:53:12 AM nombretomado
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* [[ComicBook/JLAAvengers The popular crossover]] between the {{Justice League|OfAmerica}} and ComicBook/TheAvengers languished for 20 years because {{DC|Comics}} and {{Marvel|Comics}} couldn't decide on ''[[CavemenVsAstronautsDebate who would win in a fight]]''. The reason for this decision is now particularly clear: it was a major ExecutiveMeddling temper tantrum: Jim Shooter, who had just became head of Marvel prior, was incredibly pissed off that the ComicBook/XMen had teamed up with the ComicBook/TeenTitans and not with the ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes, which was [[CreatorsPet something he held dearly]].

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* [[ComicBook/JLAAvengers The popular crossover]] between the {{Justice League|OfAmerica}} and ComicBook/TheAvengers languished for 20 years because {{DC|Comics}} Creator/{{DC|Comics}} and {{Marvel|Comics}} Creator/{{Marvel|Comics}} couldn't decide on ''[[CavemenVsAstronautsDebate who would win in a fight]]''. The reason for this decision is now particularly clear: it was a major ExecutiveMeddling temper tantrum: Jim Shooter, who had just became head of Marvel prior, was incredibly pissed off that the ComicBook/XMen had teamed up with the ComicBook/TeenTitans and not with the ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes, which was [[CreatorsPet something he held dearly]].
26th Jul '16 8:05:11 PM SpideyTerry
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* For ''Franchise/XMen'', "Mutant Massacre" was the first big crossover between ''ComicBook/UncannyXMen'' and ''ComicBook/XFactor''. Also, ''ComicBook/TheMightyThor'', ''ComicBook/NewMutants'', ''ComicBook/PowerPack'', and ''ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}'' [[note]]Though this one's issue explicitly took place after the main storyline.[[/note]] took part for tie-in issues. It would make for 12 issues total. According to Walt Simonson, the idea was to craft the story in such a way that you follow along if you only read one of the given titles, but that you'd also be rewarded with a more complex tale if you read all of the issues. The average X-Fan would get a major story, while those who only read the other books wouldn't be bogged down. There was even a flow chart included in some issues telling readers how the various issues intersected. While the story was well-received, came out on time, and was the beginning of a trend of ''X-Men'' crossovers, ''X-Factor'' writer Louise Simonson described the required coordination to pull it off as a horrible experience. In order for the story to make sense, there were many lengthy phone calls, as well as many different scripts to go over and keep track of. It is perhaps no coincidence that the next major crossover ("Fall of the Mutants") did not see the participating titles intersect.
15th Jun '16 1:35:00 AM C2
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* Howard Cruse told his publisher that he could finish ''ComicBook/StuckRubberBaby'' in two years. It took four. The funds from the later two years were provided from sales of original art from the book at a considerable mark-up to patrons within the gay and comics communities, as well as grants.
1st Jun '16 10:38:35 PM C2
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* The wedding of [[ComicBook/{{Superman}} Clark Kent and Lois Lane]] was this. The original plan was for them to get hitched in ''Superman vol. 2'' #75. However, by this time, Warner Brothers was making plans to make [[Series/LoisAndClark a new live-action Superman series]] and asked DC to wait until they did their own wedding to do theirs. DC complied, but they just lost a year's worth of stories. At one of their "Super Summits", writer Jerry Ordway made his usual joking suggestion of "Let's just kill 'em" and it gained traction. [[ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman We all know where that went]]. However, the wedding languished for four years while WB continued on with their series. At one point, DC actually ''separated'' Clark and Lois waiting for them and once the series ''FINALLY'' got to do their wedding - four years later - DC was quick to reconcile them and get them married. In a sick version of Russian Roulette, this ended up killing off the TV series, though not before airing a wedding episode which guest-starred an angel(!) who arrives on Earth to marry the couple off, and all but turns to the audience and [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall begs on hands and knees for forgiveness]].

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* The wedding of [[ComicBook/{{Superman}} Clark Kent and Lois Lane]] was this. The original plan was for them to get hitched in ''Superman vol. 2'' #75. However, by this time, Warner Brothers Creator/WarnerBros was making plans to make [[Series/LoisAndClark a new live-action Superman series]] and asked DC to wait until they did their own wedding to do theirs. DC complied, but they just lost a year's worth of stories. At one of their "Super Summits", writer Jerry Ordway made his usual joking suggestion of "Let's just kill 'em" and it gained traction. [[ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman We all know where that went]]. However, the wedding languished for four years while WB continued on with their series. At one point, DC actually ''separated'' Clark and Lois waiting for them and once the series ''FINALLY'' got to do their wedding - four years later - DC was quick to reconcile them and get them married. In a sick version of Russian Roulette, this ended up killing off the TV series, though not before airing a wedding episode which guest-starred an angel(!) who arrives on Earth to marry the couple off, and all but turns to the audience and [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall begs on hands and knees for forgiveness]].
8th Nov '15 8:24:36 PM Blazer
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** On the subject of Sonic-related works connected to Ken Penders, there's the exhausting story concerning what became ''The Lara-Su Chronicles''. The original story was initially called "Knuckles: 20 Years Later" and was meant to be an issue of ''Sonic Super Special''. However, ''SSS'' got cancelled with issue 15. The story was refined and rebranded as "Mobius: 25 Years Later", serving as back-up stories in the main title. However, Penders left the story on a cliffhanger and soon quit Archie due to ExecutiveMeddling (they wanted him to add more Sonic characters to it). He regained usage of the characters thanks to the lawsuit and promised to tell the tale he wanted to with a release date of July 2015. As of this writing, it hasn't been released with the excuse of "wanting to translate it to other languages" being the reason.
7th Jun '15 10:48:17 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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-->''"I wouldn't exactly call "Maximum Clonage" the apex of the clone saga--it was more like [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck the nadir]]. Just as "ComicBook/MaximumCarnage" came to be known around the {{Marvel}} offices (in somewhat hushed tones) as "Maximum Garbage," this magnum opus "Maximum Clonage" would come to be known as "Maximum Bonage."''

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-->''"I wouldn't exactly call "Maximum Clonage" the apex of the clone saga--it was more like [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck the nadir]].nadir. Just as "ComicBook/MaximumCarnage" came to be known around the {{Marvel}} offices (in somewhat hushed tones) as "Maximum Garbage," this magnum opus "Maximum Clonage" would come to be known as "Maximum Bonage."''
26th May '15 11:37:37 AM StFan
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* [[ComicBook/{{JLA-Avengers}} The popular crossover]] between the {{Justice League|OfAmerica}} and ComicBook/TheAvengers languished for 20 years because {{DC|Comics}} and {{Marvel|Comics}} couldn't decide on ''[[CavemenVsAstronautsDebate who would win in a fight]]''.
** The reason for this decision is now particularly clear: it was a major ExecutiveMeddling temper tantrum: Jim Shooter, who had just became head of Marvel prior, was incredibly pissed off that the ComicBook/XMen had teamed up with the ComicBook/TeenTitans and not with ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes, which was [[CreatorsPet something he held dearly]].

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* [[ComicBook/{{JLA-Avengers}} [[ComicBook/JLAAvengers The popular crossover]] between the {{Justice League|OfAmerica}} and ComicBook/TheAvengers languished for 20 years because {{DC|Comics}} and {{Marvel|Comics}} couldn't decide on ''[[CavemenVsAstronautsDebate who would win in a fight]]''.
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fight]]''. The reason for this decision is now particularly clear: it was a major ExecutiveMeddling temper tantrum: Jim Shooter, who had just became head of Marvel prior, was incredibly pissed off that the ComicBook/XMen had teamed up with the ComicBook/TeenTitans and not with the ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes, which was [[CreatorsPet something he held dearly]].
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