History TroubledProduction / ComicBooks

7th Mar '17 11:35:56 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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-->''"I wouldn't exactly call "Maximum Clonage" the apex of the clone saga -- it was more like the nadir. Just as "ComicBook/MaximumCarnage" came to be known around the {{Creator/Marvel}} offices (in somewhat hushed tones) as "Maximum Garbage," this magnum opus "Maximum Clonage" would come to be known as "Maximum Bonage."''

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-->''"I ->''"I wouldn't exactly call "Maximum Clonage" the apex of the clone saga -- it was more like the nadir. Just as "ComicBook/MaximumCarnage" came to be known around the {{Creator/Marvel}} offices (in somewhat hushed tones) as "Maximum Garbage," this magnum opus "Maximum Clonage" would come to be known as "Maximum Bonage."''
7th Mar '17 11:32:39 PM Anddrix
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* The Creator/ImageComics[=/=]Creator/ValiantComics crossover ''ComicBook/{{Deathmate}}'' was the victim of both companies having conflicting philosophies on comic book production. Valiant created their half of the crossover with a tight editorial leash, but Image let their own artists and writers do whatever they wanted, contributing to the comics' disjointed feel. That neither company knew each other's characters, resulting in lots of CharacterDerailment, didn't help. Worst of all, however, Valiant's half came on time owing to their strict adherence to deadlines and shipping schedules, but Image's half, like much of their work, was [[ScheduleSlip infamously late]]. So late, in fact, that by the time their half was published, interest in the series had dried up, leaving comic shops that had pre-ordered the series with piles of unsellable comics, which helped set off UsefulNotes/TheGreatComicsCrashOf1996. It also served as a CreatorKiller for Valiant.
** And while we're on that subject, anything done by Creator/RobLiefeld, a master of the ScheduleSlip. During the making of ''ComicBook/{{Deathmate}}'', Liefeld's contributions had passed so many deadlines, that an editor from Valiant had to go to Liefeld's house and refuse to leave, just to make sure that his work wasn't ''over a year'' late.

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* The Creator/ImageComics[=/=]Creator/ValiantComics crossover ''ComicBook/{{Deathmate}}'' was the victim of both companies having conflicting philosophies on comic book production. Valiant created their half of the crossover with a tight editorial leash, but Image let their own artists and writers do whatever they wanted, contributing to the comics' disjointed feel. That neither company knew each other's characters, resulting in lots of CharacterDerailment, {{out of character moment}}s, didn't help. Worst of all, however, Valiant's half came on time owing to their strict adherence to deadlines and shipping schedules, but Image's half, like much of their work, was [[ScheduleSlip infamously late]]. So late, in fact, that by the time their half was published, interest in the series had dried up, leaving comic shops that had pre-ordered the series with piles of unsellable comics, which helped set off UsefulNotes/TheGreatComicsCrashOf1996. It also served as a CreatorKiller for Valiant.
** And while we're on that subject, anything * Anything done by Creator/RobLiefeld, a master of the ScheduleSlip. During the making of ''ComicBook/{{Deathmate}}'', Liefeld's contributions had passed so many deadlines, that an editor from Valiant had to go to Liefeld's house and refuse to leave, just to make sure that his work wasn't ''over a year'' late.
5th Mar '17 5:52:21 PM nombretomado
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-->''"I wouldn't exactly call "Maximum Clonage" the apex of the clone saga -- it was more like the nadir. Just as "ComicBook/MaximumCarnage" came to be known around the {{Marvel}} offices (in somewhat hushed tones) as "Maximum Garbage," this magnum opus "Maximum Clonage" would come to be known as "Maximum Bonage."''

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-->''"I wouldn't exactly call "Maximum Clonage" the apex of the clone saga -- it was more like the nadir. Just as "ComicBook/MaximumCarnage" came to be known around the {{Marvel}} {{Creator/Marvel}} offices (in somewhat hushed tones) as "Maximum Garbage," this magnum opus "Maximum Clonage" would come to be known as "Maximum Bonage."''
1st Mar '17 8:56:46 PM TheGreenHerring
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* The Creator/ImageComics[=/=]Creator/ValiantComics crossover ''ComicBook/{{Deathmate}}'' was the victim of both companies having conflicting philosophies on comic book production. Valiant created their half of the crossover with a tight editorial leash, but Image let their own artists and writers do whatever they wanted, contributing to the comics' disjointed feel. That neither company knew each other's characters, resulting in lots of CharacterDerailment, didn't help. Worst of all, however, Valiant were strict about shipping schedules and deadlines and thus turned in their half on time, but Image's half, like much of their work, was [[ScheduleSlip infamously late]]. So late, in fact, that by the time their half was published, interest in the series had dried up, leaving comic shops that had pre-ordered the series with piles of unsellable comics, which helped set off UsefulNotes/TheGreatComicsCrashOf1996. It also served as a CreatorKiller for Valiant.

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* The Creator/ImageComics[=/=]Creator/ValiantComics crossover ''ComicBook/{{Deathmate}}'' was the victim of both companies having conflicting philosophies on comic book production. Valiant created their half of the crossover with a tight editorial leash, but Image let their own artists and writers do whatever they wanted, contributing to the comics' disjointed feel. That neither company knew each other's characters, resulting in lots of CharacterDerailment, didn't help. Worst of all, however, Valiant were Valiant's half came on time owing to their strict about shipping schedules and adherence to deadlines and thus turned in their half on time, shipping schedules, but Image's half, like much of their work, was [[ScheduleSlip infamously late]]. So late, in fact, that by the time their half was published, interest in the series had dried up, leaving comic shops that had pre-ordered the series with piles of unsellable comics, which helped set off UsefulNotes/TheGreatComicsCrashOf1996. It also served as a CreatorKiller for Valiant.
1st Mar '17 8:54:07 PM TheGreenHerring
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* The Creator/ImageComics[=/=]Creator/ValiantComics crossover ''ComicBook/{{Deathmate}}''. Neither company knew each other's characters, resulting in lots of CharacterDerailment. Valiant were super-strict about shipping schedules and deadlines and thus turned in their half of the crossover on time, but Image's half, like much of their work, was [[ScheduleSlip infamously late]]. So late, in fact, that by the time their half was published, interest in the series had dried up and comic shops that had pre-ordered the series were left with piles of unsellable comics, contributing to UsefulNotes/TheGreatComicsCrashOf1996 more than any other product. It also served as a CreatorKiller for Valiant.
* And while we're on that subject, anything done by Creator/RobLiefeld, a master of the ScheduleSlip. During the aforementioned ''ComicBook/{{Deathmate}}'', Liefeld's contributions had passed so many deadlines, that an editor from Valiant had to go to Liefeld's house and refuse to leave, just to make sure that his work wasn't ''over a year'' late.

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* The Creator/ImageComics[=/=]Creator/ValiantComics crossover ''ComicBook/{{Deathmate}}''. Neither ''ComicBook/{{Deathmate}}'' was the victim of both companies having conflicting philosophies on comic book production. Valiant created their half of the crossover with a tight editorial leash, but Image let their own artists and writers do whatever they wanted, contributing to the comics' disjointed feel. That neither company knew each other's characters, resulting in lots of CharacterDerailment. CharacterDerailment, didn't help. Worst of all, however, Valiant were super-strict strict about shipping schedules and deadlines and thus turned in their half of the crossover on time, but Image's half, like much of their work, was [[ScheduleSlip infamously late]]. So late, in fact, that by the time their half was published, interest in the series had dried up and up, leaving comic shops that had pre-ordered the series were left with piles of unsellable comics, contributing to UsefulNotes/TheGreatComicsCrashOf1996 more than any other product.which helped set off UsefulNotes/TheGreatComicsCrashOf1996. It also served as a CreatorKiller for Valiant.
* ** And while we're on that subject, anything done by Creator/RobLiefeld, a master of the ScheduleSlip. During the aforementioned making of ''ComicBook/{{Deathmate}}'', Liefeld's contributions had passed so many deadlines, that an editor from Valiant had to go to Liefeld's house and refuse to leave, just to make sure that his work wasn't ''over a year'' late.
1st Mar '17 7:22:01 PM TheGreenHerring
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* The Creator/ImageComics[=/=]Creator/ValiantComics crossover ''ComicBook/{{Deathmate}}''. On top of neither company knowing each other's characters and both operating on opposite ends of editorial strictness, the Image Comics half of the crossover was so late that by the time it was turned in and published, interest in the series had dried up and comic shops were left with tons of comics they pre-ordered but could no longer sell, contributing to UsefulNotes/TheGreatComicsCrashOf1996 more than any other product. It also served as a CreatorKiller for Valiant.

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* The Creator/ImageComics[=/=]Creator/ValiantComics crossover ''ComicBook/{{Deathmate}}''. On top of neither Neither company knowing knew each other's characters characters, resulting in lots of CharacterDerailment. Valiant were super-strict about shipping schedules and both operating on opposite ends of editorial strictness, the Image Comics deadlines and thus turned in their half of the crossover on time, but Image's half, like much of their work, was so late [[ScheduleSlip infamously late]]. So late, in fact, that by the time it their half was turned in and published, interest in the series had dried up and comic shops that had pre-ordered the series were left with tons piles of comics they pre-ordered but could no longer sell, unsellable comics, contributing to UsefulNotes/TheGreatComicsCrashOf1996 more than any other product. It also served as a CreatorKiller for Valiant.
23rd Feb '17 10:26:57 AM StFan
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-->''"I wouldn't exactly call "Maximum Clonage" the apex of the clone saga--it was more like the nadir. Just as "ComicBook/MaximumCarnage" came to be known around the {{Marvel}} offices (in somewhat hushed tones) as "Maximum Garbage," this magnum opus "Maximum Clonage" would come to be known as "Maximum Bonage."''

to:

-->''"I wouldn't exactly call "Maximum Clonage" the apex of the clone saga--it saga -- it was more like the nadir. Just as "ComicBook/MaximumCarnage" came to be known around the {{Marvel}} offices (in somewhat hushed tones) as "Maximum Garbage," this magnum opus "Maximum Clonage" would come to be known as "Maximum Bonage."''



* [[ComicBook/JLAAvengers The popular crossover]] between the {{Justice League|OfAmerica}} and ComicBook/TheAvengers languished for 20 years because Creator/{{DC|Comics}} and Creator/{{Marvel|Comics}} couldn't decide on ''[[CavemenVsAstronautsDebate who would win in a fight]]''. The reason for this decision is now particularly clear: it was a major ExecutiveMeddling temper tantrum: Creator/JimShooter, who had just became head of Marvel prior, was incredibly pissed off that the ComicBook/XMen had teamed up with the ComicBook/TeenTitans and not with the ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes, which was [[CreatorsPet something he held dearly]].

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* [[ComicBook/JLAAvengers The popular crossover]] between the {{Justice Franchise/{{Justice League|OfAmerica}} and ComicBook/TheAvengers languished for 20 years because Creator/{{DC|Comics}} and Creator/{{Marvel|Comics}} couldn't decide on ''[[CavemenVsAstronautsDebate who would win in a fight]]''. The reason for this decision is now particularly clear: it was a major ExecutiveMeddling temper tantrum: Creator/JimShooter, who had just became head of Marvel prior, was incredibly pissed off that the ComicBook/XMen had teamed up with the ComicBook/TeenTitans and not with the ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes, which was [[CreatorsPet something he held dearly]].



** ''ComicBook/{{Marvel 2099}}'', which depicted a futuristic Franchise/MarvelUniverse as a CyberPunk dystopia, wasn't the greatest, but when Marvel let go its editor-in-chief for that line as a cost-cutting measure thanks to its near-bankruptcy, many of its creators bailed due to their dislike of his replacement, leaving the series to limp to its end.

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** ''ComicBook/{{Marvel 2099}}'', ''ComicBook/Marvel2099'', which depicted a futuristic Franchise/MarvelUniverse as a CyberPunk dystopia, wasn't the greatest, but when Marvel let go its editor-in-chief for that line as a cost-cutting measure thanks to its near-bankruptcy, many of its creators bailed due to their dislike of his replacement, leaving the series to limp to its end.
22nd Feb '17 3:26:45 PM KamenRiderOokalf
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* [[ComicBook/JLAAvengers The popular crossover]] between the {{Justice League|OfAmerica}} and ComicBook/TheAvengers languished for 20 years because Creator/{{DC|Comics}} and Creator/{{Marvel|Comics}} couldn't decide on ''[[CavemenVsAstronautsDebate who would win in a fight]]''. The reason for this decision is now particularly clear: it was a major ExecutiveMeddling temper tantrum: Jim Shooter, who had just became head of Marvel prior, was incredibly pissed off that the ComicBook/XMen had teamed up with the ComicBook/TeenTitans and not with the ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes, which was [[CreatorsPet something he held dearly]].

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* [[ComicBook/JLAAvengers The popular crossover]] between the {{Justice League|OfAmerica}} and ComicBook/TheAvengers languished for 20 years because Creator/{{DC|Comics}} and Creator/{{Marvel|Comics}} couldn't decide on ''[[CavemenVsAstronautsDebate who would win in a fight]]''. The reason for this decision is now particularly clear: it was a major ExecutiveMeddling temper tantrum: Jim Shooter, Creator/JimShooter, who had just became head of Marvel prior, was incredibly pissed off that the ComicBook/XMen had teamed up with the ComicBook/TeenTitans and not with the ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes, which was [[CreatorsPet something he held dearly]].
31st Oct '16 10:46:11 AM gewunomox
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* ComicBook/TheCloneSaga, the infamous storyline that would have temporarily shunted Peter Parker from his role as SpiderMan and giving it to his once-thought dead clone Ben Reilly, went wildly out of control when the story became mired in {{Writer Revolt}}s, ExecutiveMeddling, {{Padding}}, and [[CashCowFranchise old-fashioned greed]], expanding a story that would have only lasted a few months into a story that lasted ''years''. When the KudzuPlot ran rampant, EndingFatigue set in, and fans started to leave the titles in annoyance, Marvel was forced to figure out a way to set things back to StatusQuo.

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* ComicBook/TheCloneSaga, the infamous storyline that would have temporarily shunted Peter Parker from his role as SpiderMan and giving it to his once-thought dead clone Ben Reilly, went wildly out of control when the story became mired in {{Writer Revolt}}s, ExecutiveMeddling, {{Padding}}, and [[CashCowFranchise old-fashioned greed]], expanding a story that would have only lasted a few months into a story that lasted ''years''. When the KudzuPlot ran rampant, EndingFatigue set in, and fans started to leave the titles in annoyance, Marvel was forced to figure out a way to set things back to StatusQuo.Status Quo.
7th Oct '16 7:47:22 AM MarkLungo
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* Anything that isn't part of the mainstream Creator/MarvelComics tends to suffer from this. One of the more documented ones was ComicBook/TheNewUniverse. Touted as "The World Outside Your Window", the franchise fell apart from the beginning - writers tossed in 616-type elements (aliens, powered armors, etc.), financial backers pulled out before it even started, and people were too engrossed by that slogan. Despite canceling half of the franchise and starting a massive storyline that started with the destruction of UsefulNotes/{{Pittsburgh}}, it never got off its feet and died nearly three years later.

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* Anything that isn't part of the mainstream Creator/MarvelComics tends to suffer from this. One of the more documented ones was ComicBook/TheNewUniverse. Touted as "The World Outside Your Window", the franchise fell apart from the beginning - writers tossed in 616-type elements (aliens, powered armors, etc.), financial backers pulled out before it even started, and people were too engrossed by that slogan. Despite canceling half of the franchise and starting a massive storyline that started began with the destruction of UsefulNotes/{{Pittsburgh}}, it never got off its feet and died nearly three years later.
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