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3rd Dec '13 3:29:50 AM Shaoken
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Shaoken is an Australian troper, moderator for the [[WorldOfDarkness Old World of Darkness]] [[PlayByPost forum]] BehindTheVeil, video gamer and University graduate. He is also in the process of trying to write a novel.

[[spoiler: Over episodes 6 and 7 he finds some people he adopts as a new family, is shown to deeply care for them and did things that he had no real ulterior motive for. He got the backgammon for Meghan, and risks his life getting more Oxygen tanks for the old man who was going to die anyway.

Episode 6 was really to show the Governor getting some of his humanity back, only for Episode 7 in true Walking Dead fashion to rip it apart. First he snaps when Martinez offers him power screaming "I don't want it!" The next morning he's still shaken up by it, whereas the Governor of season 3 could kill an entire squad of national guard and then keep himself perfectly in check when talking to his people an hour or two later.]]

Next came the bit after he sees that the current leader is too weak to keep people safe. His first response is to get his new family, including the brand new girlfriend they met in the new group, and try to get them as far away as possible. My personal interpretation is that he knew that if he stayed he couldn't stop himself from taking charge so he tried to put as much distance as he could. But of course, there's a Broken Bridge in the form of the only road out being blocked by walkers half buried in mud, so he had to go back. And then just when he thought he could let go of the past a walker almost bit Meghan and reminded him that he couldn't keep his new family safe out in the open.

And then from there, we have episode 8 where he kidnaps Michonne and Hershel to use to try and force Rick out of the prison without killing anyone. Now season 3 governor would just launch an attack, but here he's actually trying to take the prison without killing anyone. He's trying to be different, trying not to repeat Woodbury, even though he's blackmailing Rick with Hershel and Michonne's lives to do so.

There's also the moment right before he kills Hershel, after Rick gives his speech about how they could put aside their differences, live in peace, and "You can come back" from the things you had to do. For that long moment the Governor just stands there and the gears are turning through his head, before he says "Liar" and almost decapitates Hershel in one strike. This is my own interpretation but I think he's honestly thinking Rick's offer over, before rejecting the notion that you can come back from all the things you've had to do. Hence the episode's title "Too Far Gone."

As for killing Meghan, she was fatally wounded. The only confirmed way to stop a zombie bite from turning you into a zombie is to cut the limb off almost immediately after the bite. She was bitten on the neck/shoulder, and there was a considerable amount of time between that and her getting to him. The video game established that the limb-removal technique doesn't make a difference if you wait an hour or two (although that can be put up to a debate), and it's not like you can safely remove the part where the neck connects to the shoulder. But we can definitely put the AMC Governor on the never list...in six months once it's no longer as big a spoiler that he dies.]]

Also Lightsnake [[spoiler: What trapped walker? The only trapped walkers he came across were in the nursing home, in the lake, and blocking the road. I don't think he had any idea that there was a walker buried in the mud.]]

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Shaoken is an Australian troper, moderator for the [[WorldOfDarkness Old World of Darkness]] [[PlayByPost forum]] BehindTheVeil, video gamer and University graduate. He is also in the process of trying to write a novel.

[[spoiler: Over episodes 6 and 7 he finds some people he adopts as a new family, is shown to deeply care for them and did things that he had no real ulterior motive for. He got the backgammon for Meghan, and risks his life getting more Oxygen tanks for the old man who was going to die anyway.

Episode 6 was really to show the Governor getting some of his humanity back, only for Episode 7 in true Walking Dead fashion to rip it apart. First he snaps when Martinez offers him power screaming "I don't want it!" The next morning he's still shaken up by it, whereas the Governor of season 3 could kill an entire squad of national guard and then keep himself perfectly in check when talking to his people an hour or two later.]]

Next came the bit after he sees that the current leader is too weak to keep people safe. His first response is to get his new family, including the brand new girlfriend they met in the new group, and try to get them as far away as possible. My personal interpretation is that he knew that if he stayed he couldn't stop himself from taking charge so he tried to put as much distance as he could. But of course, there's a Broken Bridge in the form of the only road out being blocked by walkers half buried in mud, so he had to go back. And then just when he thought he could let go of the past a walker almost bit Meghan and reminded him that he couldn't keep his new family safe out in the open.

And then from there, we have episode 8 where he kidnaps Michonne and Hershel to use to try and force Rick out of the prison without killing anyone. Now season 3 governor would just launch an attack, but here he's actually trying to take the prison without killing anyone. He's trying to be different, trying not to repeat Woodbury, even though he's blackmailing Rick with Hershel and Michonne's lives to do so.

There's also the moment right before he kills Hershel, after Rick gives his speech about how they could put aside their differences, live in peace, and "You can come back" from the things you had to do. For that long moment the Governor just stands there and the gears are turning through his head, before he says "Liar" and almost decapitates Hershel in one strike. This is my own interpretation but I think he's honestly thinking Rick's offer over, before rejecting the notion that you can come back from all the things you've had to do. Hence the episode's title "Too Far Gone."

As for killing Meghan, she was fatally wounded. The only confirmed way to stop a zombie bite from turning you into a zombie is to cut the limb off almost immediately after the bite. She was bitten on the neck/shoulder, and there was a considerable amount of time between that and her getting to him. The video game established that the limb-removal technique doesn't make a difference if you wait an hour or two (although that can be put up to a debate), and it's not like you can safely remove the part where the neck connects to the shoulder. But we can definitely put the AMC Governor on the never list...in six months once it's no longer as big a spoiler that he dies.]]

Also Lightsnake [[spoiler: What trapped walker? The only trapped walkers he came across were in the nursing home, in the lake, and blocking the road. I don't think he had any idea that there was a walker buried in the mud.]]
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3rd Dec '13 3:28:53 AM Shaoken
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[[spoiler: Over episodes 6 and 7 he finds some people he adopts as a new family, is shown to deeply care for them and did things that he had no real ulterior motive for. He got the backgammon for Meghan, and risks his life getting more Oxygen tanks for the old man who was going to die anyway.]]

Episode 6 was really to show the Governor getting some of his humanity back, only for Episode 7 in true Walking Dead fashion to rip it apart. First he snaps when Martinez offers him power screaming "I don't want it!" The next morning he's still shaken up by it, whereas the Governor of season 3 could kill an entire squad of national guard and then keep himself perfectly in check when talking to his people an hour or two later.

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[[spoiler: Over episodes 6 and 7 he finds some people he adopts as a new family, is shown to deeply care for them and did things that he had no real ulterior motive for. He got the backgammon for Meghan, and risks his life getting more Oxygen tanks for the old man who was going to die anyway.]]

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Episode 6 was really to show the Governor getting some of his humanity back, only for Episode 7 in true Walking Dead fashion to rip it apart. First he snaps when Martinez offers him power screaming "I don't want it!" The next morning he's still shaken up by it, whereas the Governor of season 3 could kill an entire squad of national guard and then keep himself perfectly in check when talking to his people an hour or two later.
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3rd Dec '13 3:28:43 AM Shaoken
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Shaoken is an Australian troper, moderator for the [[WorldOfDarkness Old World of Darkness]] [[PlayByPost forum]] BehindTheVeil, video gamer and University graduate. He is also in the process of trying to write a novel.

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Shaoken is an Australian troper, moderator for the [[WorldOfDarkness Old World of Darkness]] [[PlayByPost forum]] BehindTheVeil, video gamer and University graduate. He is also in the process of trying to write a novel.novel.

[[spoiler: Over episodes 6 and 7 he finds some people he adopts as a new family, is shown to deeply care for them and did things that he had no real ulterior motive for. He got the backgammon for Meghan, and risks his life getting more Oxygen tanks for the old man who was going to die anyway.]]

Episode 6 was really to show the Governor getting some of his humanity back, only for Episode 7 in true Walking Dead fashion to rip it apart. First he snaps when Martinez offers him power screaming "I don't want it!" The next morning he's still shaken up by it, whereas the Governor of season 3 could kill an entire squad of national guard and then keep himself perfectly in check when talking to his people an hour or two later.

Next came the bit after he sees that the current leader is too weak to keep people safe. His first response is to get his new family, including the brand new girlfriend they met in the new group, and try to get them as far away as possible. My personal interpretation is that he knew that if he stayed he couldn't stop himself from taking charge so he tried to put as much distance as he could. But of course, there's a Broken Bridge in the form of the only road out being blocked by walkers half buried in mud, so he had to go back. And then just when he thought he could let go of the past a walker almost bit Meghan and reminded him that he couldn't keep his new family safe out in the open.

And then from there, we have episode 8 where he kidnaps Michonne and Hershel to use to try and force Rick out of the prison without killing anyone. Now season 3 governor would just launch an attack, but here he's actually trying to take the prison without killing anyone. He's trying to be different, trying not to repeat Woodbury, even though he's blackmailing Rick with Hershel and Michonne's lives to do so.

There's also the moment right before he kills Hershel, after Rick gives his speech about how they could put aside their differences, live in peace, and "You can come back" from the things you had to do. For that long moment the Governor just stands there and the gears are turning through his head, before he says "Liar" and almost decapitates Hershel in one strike. This is my own interpretation but I think he's honestly thinking Rick's offer over, before rejecting the notion that you can come back from all the things you've had to do. Hence the episode's title "Too Far Gone."

As for killing Meghan, she was fatally wounded. The only confirmed way to stop a zombie bite from turning you into a zombie is to cut the limb off almost immediately after the bite. She was bitten on the neck/shoulder, and there was a considerable amount of time between that and her getting to him. The video game established that the limb-removal technique doesn't make a difference if you wait an hour or two (although that can be put up to a debate), and it's not like you can safely remove the part where the neck connects to the shoulder. But we can definitely put the AMC Governor on the never list...in six months once it's no longer as big a spoiler that he dies.]]

Also Lightsnake [[spoiler: What trapped walker? The only trapped walkers he came across were in the nursing home, in the lake, and blocking the road. I don't think he had any idea that there was a walker buried in the mud.]]
3rd May '13 7:46:36 PM Shaoken
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Shaoken is an Australian troper, moderator for the [[WorldOfDarkness Old World of Darkness]] [[PlayByPost forum]] BehindTheVeil, video gamer and current unniversity student.

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Shaoken is an Australian troper, moderator for the [[WorldOfDarkness Old World of Darkness]] [[PlayByPost forum]] BehindTheVeil, video gamer and current unniversity student.University graduate. He is also in the process of trying to write a novel.
28th Nov '11 7:26:28 PM Shaoken
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