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-->You do realize that [[MassEffect wooing aliens]]/[[SuperMarioBrothers eating mushrooms]]/[[ModernWarfare killing passengers]] doesn't make you cool like real galactic badasses/plumbers/terrorists, right? Do you hear me? Stop having fun!
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-->'''Moe''': TV? That crap still on?
-->'''NetworkExecutive''': Never been crappier.
-->-''TheSimpsons''

Shows that are like an old mule. They're not flashy and may not get tossed around on the latest blogs or TV spots, but they manage to pull a decent audience enough to keep them going nonetheless. Occasionally, a viewer who vaguely remembers the show in its formative years flips channels to see it still kicking, prompting the titular expression. They aren't so much long-runners as the more personal realization they're running longer than you seem able to remember. Especially common if the series is elsewhere in syndication and you lose track of new and old episodes that start running together in your own head.

See also LongRunners. Sounds like, but [[IThoughtItMeant is not related to]], IsThisThingStillOn?. Contrast VaporWare, aka "Is that still off?".

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-->'''Moe''': TV? That crap still on?
-->'''NetworkExecutive''': Never been crappier.
-->-''TheSimpsons''

Shows


-->You do realize
that are [[MassEffect wooing aliens]]/[[SuperMarioBrothers eating mushrooms]]/[[ModernWarfare killing passengers]] doesn't make you cool like an old mule. They're not flashy and may not get tossed around on the latest blogs or TV spots, but they manage to pull a decent audience enough to keep them going nonetheless. Occasionally, a viewer who vaguely remembers the show in its formative years flips channels to see it still kicking, prompting the titular expression. They aren't so much long-runners as the more personal realization they're running longer than real galactic badasses/plumbers/terrorists, right? Do you seem able to remember. Especially common if the series is elsewhere in syndication and you lose track of new and old episodes that start running together in your own head.

See also LongRunners. Sounds like, but [[IThoughtItMeant is not related to]], IsThisThingStillOn?. Contrast VaporWare, aka "Is that still off?".
hear me? Stop having fun!



!!Examples

[[AC:Anime and Manga]]
* ''[[{{Anime/Pokemon}} Pokémon]]''. Many people who are teenagers and young adults today saw this show when they were young and are surprised to know it is still running. In Japan, it even now has its own Sunday-morning programming block (Hosted by, among others, IdolSinger / {{Otaku}} / GamerChick extraordinaire Shouko Nakagawa) called ''Pokémon Sunday''.
** ''TheSimpsons'' episode "Postcards from the Wedge" had Bart wondering how the anime managed to stick around and "remain fresh" over the years. For extra points, the episode aired on the release date of ''[=~Pokémon~=] [[PokemonGoldAndSilver HeartGold/SoulSilver]]''.
** Even people who are aware of the anime's continued existence are often surprised to hear that there is still an active ''Pokémon'' [[TabletopGames/{{Pokemon}} collectible card game]] league with annual World Championships and everything.
* Any number of anime series, most notably ''{{Sazae-san}}'', ''{{Doraemon}}'' and ''[[ShinChan Crayon Shin-chan]]''.
* ''DetectiveConan'', being a [[LongRunners Long Runner]] in its original manga form, has had its anime version running from 1996 to the present with no end in sight.
* Even longer than ''Conan'', ''HajimeNoIppo''. 20 years and over 850 chapters later no one has any idea when it'll end, if ever.
* They still make ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh}}'' stuff?
** Now with [[{{Yu-Gi-ohTheAbridgedSeries}} CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES]].
* The original ''MobileSuitGundam'' debuted in 1979. They are still making new anime series, manga, spinoff AlternateUniverse works, [[{{Understatement}} merchandise]] and an OVA about building ''Gundam'' models, ''Model Suit Gunpla Builders Beginning G'', is being released on summer 2010.
* Wangan Midnight, shutoku manga started in 1993. Initial D, touge manga started in 1996. You've probably heard of them. Subject of several well-received video games and a couple of movies. Lots of confrontations, several massive accidents, several truly epic battles, tons of theorizing and pleading and griping, dozens of minor characters through the eternal revolving door. As of 2010, still going with no end in sight.

[[AC:Comics]]
* ArchieComics' ''Comicbook/SonicTheHedgehog'' comic series has been running since 1993 maintaining the same continuity from the early issues.
** It's officially the longest running comic book series based on a licensed property. [[ExecutiveMeddling It shows]].
* Heck, ArchieComics' ''Comicbook/{{Archie}}'', which has been running in the far background of comic book history for nearly 70 years.
* A good number of newspaper strips end up this way, especially if they start running low on material. ''Blondie'', for instance, has been around for over 75 years.
** Two more good examples are ''{{Peanuts}}'' and ''{{Garfield}}'' (though Peanuts has been [[AuthorExistenceFailure in reruns since 2000]]). I'm sure ''{{Marmaduke}}'' counts too (though it seems to have always been "there"). And speaking of ''Garfield'', seeing as how it's become a FranchiseZombie, there'll probably be ''Garfield'' strips being written well after Jim Davis's death.
** And let's not forget ''Gasoline Alley'', which has celebrated its ''90th'' anniversary. (What do you mean, you've never heard of it?)
** ''Nancy''. Or one of its many aliases, as it tries to avoid prosecution for terrorism, since it is obviously trying to destroy America's national sense of humor by ''never once being funny in decades''.
* Back to comic strips, some more have fallen into this trope, such as ''HagarTheHorrible'' and ''MotherGooseAndGrimm''.
* ''The Katzenjammer Kids''. 1897. Yes, that second digit was an eight. Still runs in a few papers.
* Actually, uninformed people now sometimes ask if comic books in general are still printed or if [[MarvelComics Marvel]] and [[DCComics DC]] only make movies now.
* The UK children's comics ''TheDandy'' and ''TheBeano'' are still going strong. They began in 1937 and 1938.
* ''JudgeDredd'' started in 1977 and is still going in the same continuity.
* Those ''Commando: For Action and Adventure'' comics you sometimes see at the newsagents' aren't reprints.

[[AC:{{Film}}]]
* When RupertGrint appeared on ''Live with Regis and Kelly'' to promote ''Half Blood Prince'', Regis stated his surprise at the start of the show that they were still making ''Film/HarryPotter'' films.

[[AC:{{Literature}}]]
* Quite a few people are surprised that the Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys series are still in print. Not just reprinting old stories, but still writing new issues (at a clip of about 1 book per month, which they alternate). Both series have been continuously in print since 1930.

[[AC:Live Action Television]]
* ''{{JAG}}'' catches people by surprise when they realize it lasted 10 years, far longer than most television series.
** ''{{Family Guy}}'' drew attention to this by way of having someone watching ''{{JAG}}'', and a character on the show points out that old people enjoy the familiar noise in the background their show provides.
** And its spinoffs are still going strong, on their [[{{NCIS}} eighth]] and [[NCISLosAngeles second]] seasons, respectively.
* Any number of CBS sitcoms, including but not limited to ''[[YesDear Yes, Dear]]'' (2000-2006), and ''{{The King of Queens}}'' (1998-2007), and TheDrewCareyShow (1995-2004, albeit an ABC show, it was treated poorly late in its run and the final season was burned off in the summer of 2004).
** Also, ''{{Two And A Half Men}}''
** Similarly, ''{{According to Jim}}'' (2001-2009), an ABC show.
** And ''{{Frasier}}'' (NBC)
*** The Frasier Crane character himself deserves mention. Kelsey Grammer played him from 1984 to 2004 on ''{{Cheers}}'', ''{{Frasier}}'', and a guest spot on ''{{Wings}}''.
* ''[[SeventhHeaven 7th Heaven]]'', which was on for 11 seasons of {{Anvilicious}} {{glurge}}. Notably, it would have stopped at ten... but it was [[UnCanceled renewed]] ''[[UnCanceled off the ratings for its finale]]''.
* More than a few people blinked when they heard about new seasons of ''PowerRangers'' after the mid-late '90s. Notably, the fans that are still writing fanfiction about [[MightyMorphinPowerRangers the first few seasons]].
** ''PowerRangers'' has an ''eighteenth'' season set to start in 2011.
* ''SaturdayNightLive'' occasionally does HeyIsThatStillOn gags about ''[[NoFourthWall itself]]''. ("Yeah, I thought they cancelled it after EddieMurphy, too...")
* ''[[StargateVerse Stargate]]'' has produced reactions like this; considering it's become a franchise, this is unlikely to end even after [[{{StargateSG-1}} SG-1]] was cancelled.
** While ''[[StargateAtlantis Atlantis]]'' has ended, but ''SG-1'' is [[RecursiveAdaptation still cranking out movies]], as well as branching out into an MMORPG.
** A few months after ''Atlantis''' end, [[StargateUniverse a new show]] pops up. And a film for ''Atlantis'' is in the works.
* ''Til Death'', the final nail in the {{Ugly Guy Hot Wife}} coffin which only seems to continually exist on the Fox schedule for [[MilestoneCelebration alleged future syndication revenue]], a minor fascination about Joely Fisher's breasts keeping the Internet pervert community happy, and because Fox's deal with Brad Garrett to build a post-''[[EverybodyLovesRaymond Raymond]]'' show around him was such a large money pit that the only way they could make the contract whole is to keep the show on the air despite incredible apathy for a series that makes ''{{According to Jim}}'' look like ''{{Friends}}''.
** It was eventually cancelled in 2010.
* ''LastOfTheSummerWine'' finally got cancelled in 2010, having started airing in 1973.
* The king is, of course, {{Game Show}}s. While it's commonly taken as a given that ''{{Jeopardy}}!'' (1964, but since 1984 in its current version) and ''WheelOfFortune'' (1975, counting the 1975-1992 daytime version and 1983-present nighttime version) are going to be on until the sun fizzles out into a hunk of cold rock, accidentally stumbling across a brand new episode of ''ThePriceIsRight'' (1956, 1972 in its current version) can be a very strange experience.
** It's even stranger when you see the host and realize it's Drew Carey; most people thought the show ended when Bob Barker retired.
** ''WhoWantsToBeAMillionaire'', at least the American version, is a borderline case. The show has been off PrimeTime (aside from special runs) since 2002 and fallen a long way from the buzz it had at the turn of the millennium.
* Early example: ''TheThreeStooges'', even if their golden years were the 40s, performed in various shorts and movies until 1970, when Larry Fine suffered a stroke during the filming of ''Kook's Tour''. And performed until around 1975 (or so) with Emil Sitka as the second Stooge (though they never made a movie with him in the role).
* The Canadian TV series ''The Beachcombers'' lasted nearly ''twenty years'', running from 1972 to 1990 and becoming an internationally syndicated hit in the process.
* The all-time grand high king of the LongRunners, ''(The) GuidingLight'': seventy-two years on air, over eighteen months of continuous material, and ending in late 2009; a record that would take ''decades'' for any other narrative to tie, let alone top.
** Many soap operas are longrunners. ''{{All My Children}}'' has been going since 1970, ''{{As The World Turns}}'' went from 1956 to 2010, ''{{The Young And The Restless}}'' has been around since 1973, ''{{The Bold and The Beautiful}}'' since 1987, ''{{One Life To Live}}'' since 1968, and ''{{General Hospital}}'' since 1963, to name a few of the more prominent soaps.
* Several WWE wrestlers fall into this same category; it's amazing that guys like Mark Henry (signed in 1996 to a ten-year contract, still around to everyone's amazement after that contract expired, career highlights have included a storyline in which ''he went on a date with a transexual named Sammy and another in which a relationship with an 80-year old woman led to her becoming pregnant and giving birth to a hand'') and Hardcore Holly (around since 1994, spent his first few years in WWE as a racecar driver named Bob "Spark Plug" Holly, has a long history of keeping order backstage and is well respected by other wrestlers) are still around.
** RicFlair, just for note, retired in 2008. People wrestling now grew up idolising people who idolised Ric Flair.
*** It's worth pointing out that the word "retirement" [[TenMinuteRetirement means nothing]] in the wrestling business. Ric Flair has "retired forever" at least twice before. But he doesn't hold a candle to Terry Funk, who must have retired at least five times by now.
*** And Ric Flair has unretired in 2010. Though whether or not this is a permanent or temporary unretirement remains to be seen.
** That's nothing: Lou Thesz wrestled his last match in his SEVENTIES. He wrestled his first professional match in 1932 and his last in ''1990''!
** Update! Hardcore Holly is finally ''gone'' from WWE after his contract expired.
*** Mark Henry, however, remains employed.
* Another wrestling example: {{WCW}} Saturday Night ran, under various titles, for TWENTY SEVEN YEARS on TBS.
* ''MadTV'' displays this trope as well; it's been on for thirteen years, dropped its original theme song, and has never been treated well by Fox (who finally cancelled the show in 2009). The most exposure it gets is when [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks the good old episodes]] get shown on ComedyCentral, albeit EditedForSyndication.
* Parminder Nagra had some difficulty convincing immigration officials that ''{{ER}}'' (1994-2009), the basis of her work visa, was still on when it was.
* And speaking of medical shows that once aired on NBC, ''{{Scrubs}}'' went 9 seasons in total, starting in 2001. After the writer's strike mangled the 2008 season, NBC cancelled the show. ABC uncancelled and gave it a proper eight season and a series finale, on a tighter budget. That one did well enough that they ''re-''uncancelled it for a [[ReTool retooled]] ninth season, before it was finally de-re-uncancelled.
* Another medical show, ''{{Casualty}}'', has been running on BBC One since 1986, making it the ''longest running'' medical drama in the world.
* ''StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' provides an [[BrieferThanTheyThink inversion]] of this trope. You'll find that many people who were living during its original run are under the impression that the show lasted several years because it was rerun so much in the 1970s. In reality, it ran for only three years in the late 1960s. In fact, in a 1983 interview LeonardNimoy mentioned that some people thought the show was still in production.
** Of course, that was after [[StarTrekII the second movie]]. [[HilariousInHindsight They went on to make several more movies, and a few spin-off shows that altogether continuously put out new episodes for 18 years!]]
* British sitcom ''{{My Family}}'' is still being made. The upcoming 11th series is the last that Robert Lindsay and Zoe Wanamaker have agreed to do, but that still may not stop the ever churning ''My Family'' machine...
* ''[[AmericasFunniestHomeVideos America's Funniest Home Videos]]'' has been on the air for ''twenty'' seasons!
* ''{{Cops}}'' has been on the air for twenty years now, and some people don't even know they're still making new episodes!
* ''MysteryScienceTheater3000'' was on for ten seasons on cable, and another as a local series. And people ''still'' insist that it was TooGoodToLast.
* ''{{Charmed}}'' never had anywhere near the acclaim of ''BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', and was often widely derided by critics as [[FollowTheLeader a cheap Buffy knockoff]]. Yet it lasted 8 full seasons, a full season and a half longer than ''Buffy'', and it outlasted ''{{Angel}}'' by two years.
** Also, at eight full seasons, ''Charmed'' is also the longest lasting show with all female leads (note the plural). ''Charmed'' managed to last longer than such shows as ''KateAndAllie'' (five and a half seasons), ''SexAndTheCity'' (six seasons, but in terms of number of episodes made, ''Charmed'' beats ''[=SatC=]'' by a much wider margin), ''XenaWarriorPrincess'' (six full seasons), ''CagneyAndLacey'' (six and a half seasons), ''DesigningWomen'' (seven seasons), and ''LaverneAndShirley'' (seven and a half seasons).
* ''BeverlyHills90210'' was on for the entire 90s. And now, it's been revived. [[EekTheCat When...will the hurting...stop?]]
* The {{CBC}} satirical program ''ThisHourHas22Minutes'' has been on since 1993, and many people stopped watching after Rick Mercer left in 2000.
* ''TheXFactor'', one of SimonCowell's brainchilds (brainchildren?), is still being made once a year, and seems to keep {{ITV}} afloat and churning out UK Christmas Number ones. [[RageAgainstTheMachine Well, except for 2009....]]
** And it's coming to America... don't the Americans already have ''AmericanIdol''?
* ''OneTreeHill'', particularly after it lost a lot of its viewership around its [[TVStrikes writers' strike-afflicted]] fifth season in 2008.
* ''{{Gunsmoke}}'' must've been like this during the 20 years it was on the air and not just because it set a record that ''LawAndOrder'' and ''TheSimpsons'' are just now starting to top. When ''Gunsmoke'' premiered in 1955 it stared a new genre for TV, the Adult Western. Other such shows followed only to later be cancelled as ValuesDissonance set in against the whole Western genre. But ''Gunsmoke'' kept on keepin' on, enjoying good ratings but poor demographics (most of its audience were older viewers still hoding on to the Values that were increasingly becoming more Dissonant). By the time the show was finally cancelled in 1975, ''Gunsmoke'' held the curious distintion of being both the first Adult Western...and the last.
* ''JerrySpringer'' partially subverts this because it was quite flashy and controversial back in the '90s. But [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny the shock value wore off long ago]], to the point where many people are surprised when they still stumble across it.
* {{Smallville}} has been renewed for a tenth season (and will become the longest running American sci-fi, incidentally). Most people think it stopped a few seasons ago. Not surprising, as most people stopped ''watching'' it a few seasons ago.
** Fortunately according to the show's creators, the tenth season will also be the last season.

[[AC:Music]]
* In 1955, ChuckBerry started the genre of rock and roll, becoming perhaps the single most influential person in 20th century music. It's now the 2010s, and he's still touring.
** Likewise, Little Richard (though less steady than Berry, mostly due to health).
** [[JerryLeeLewis The Killer]] is still at it, too.
* VillagePeople, although this is a lesser example because they have not released new material since 1985.
* CliffRichard! The guy had his first hit in 1958, and the jokes have been going almost as long. He probably can't die.
* The late, great Les Paul. The guy was still playing early in 2009.
** Dick Dale, another legend of guitar playing who invented the surf guitar sound of the early 1960s, is still touring as of 2009.
* The Glenn Miller Orchestra and its Air Force counterpart, Airmen of Note, are still touring, ''sixty five years'' after Miller's death.
* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Krayola Mayo Thompson/The Red Krayola]] has been making music since the 1960s, always enriching the sound with new influences, ranging from a country-rock sting in the late 1960s to a flirt with the Chicago post-rock scene in the 1990s. This often leads to older music fans finding the band's records where they least expect them.
* BobDylan's still touring and releasing albums, and will probably be doing so until the day he dies. They even call his tour the "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Ending_Tour Never Ending Tour]]:" he's been on the road continuously since 1988, and obviously intends to keep going as long as he physically can. To give you an idea, that's longer than many tropers--including quite a few who are legal adults in pretty much any jurisdiction in the world--have been alive.
* {{Rush}} has been active for 41 years with 35 years of the same lineup.
** Indeed, they just released 2 new singles on 1 June 2010, and will release a new album in 2011.
* WeirdAlYankovic is still active after thirty years.
** Adult Swim Lampshaded this with a spot that proclaimed "If we told you in 1986 that by 2006, MichaelJackson = flameout, and Weird Al = still relevant, you'd have laughed your head right off your body."
* The Strawbs might not have the profile that they did in the wake of "Part of the Union", but they are still recording albums. They are also performing a lot more than they did in their heyday, and their live sound is arguably better.
* TheBackstreetBoys. Although their mainstream days are long over, they still continue to tour and release albums and retain somewhat of a cult following.
* REO Speedwagon continues to tour, long after their 1980s heyday. Actually, they've toured continuously for ''forty years'' without a single hiatus.
* Hanson. Remember them? Three very literally boyish boys who had that one superhit about a nonsense word? That was 1997. Their 5th album came out in June 2010. Zac said in a Rolling Stone interview that he wants to be the youngest ever inductee in the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame. And the crazy thing, he actually has a realistic chance at it.

[[AC:Radio]]
* [[TheArchers The. Archers.]] Running since the early ''fifties''.
** BBC Radio 4 is full of LongRunners. If you're under forty it's quite amazing to learn how old some of the shows are. Take ''Quote Unquote'', that innocuous literary quiz that appears at lunchtimes. It's been on, with the same host (Nigel Rees), since 1976! ''[[ImSorryIHaventAClue I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue]]'' is four years older than that, and ''JustAMinute'' is five years older again (and has also had the same host (Nicholas Parsons) since its first episode in 1967). And ''Desert Island Discs'' started in 1942...
*** And ''I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue'' is a direct descendant of ''I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again'' which started in 1964.
* PaulHarvey still hosted his daily ''News and Comment'' and ''The Rest of the Story'' shows until his death in early 2009 at the age of 90.
* Radio countdown shows tend to fall into this category. Just in the CountryMusic genre alone, there is the ''American Country Countdown'', having begun in 1973 with Don Bowman as host. Bob Kingsley took over until 2006, when he was replaced by Kix Brooks of Brooks & Dunn (with Kingsley forming his own show, ''Bob Kingsley's Country Top 40''), and despite being in a much different format than Kingsley made famous, ''American Country Countdown'' shows no stopping.
** ''Crook & Chase Country Countdown'' has been helmed by hosts Lorianne Crook and Charlie Chase since 1989, although most affiliates have abandoned it in favor of Lon Helton's ''CMT Country Countdown USA'', which began three years later. The December 2009 finale of JeffFoxworthy's ''Foxworthy Countdown'' (which began in April 1999), however, may be a blessing for Crook & Chase.

[[AC:Sport]]
* The FIFAWorldCup often provokes this reaction when viewers see players who've dropped off their personal radar still playing for their countries.

[[AC:Video Games]]
* In Japan, the SegaDreamcast (which stopped hardware support circa 2001) ''still'' has games published for it (e.g. ''TriggerheartExelica'' in 2007). Although they're generally fan-made.
** ''TriggerheartExelica'' was the penultimate official game, with ''Karous'' (in March 2007) being the final game released for the system.
*** The NES and SNES are almost as bad.
*** And technically, the PlayStation2 hasn't been officially discontinued--games as recent as ''SonicUnleashed'' and ''GuitarHero Metallica'' have received PS2 versions.
**** And at E3 09, Sony outright said that if they keep making as much money off of the PS2 as they are right now, then they'll still be cranking out content for it for a long time.
**** A little research shows that the PS2 has outlived both its competitors; it was released in America in October 2000 and still cranks out a game or two every month, to the reaction of "Oh, hey, they're still making games for it!" The GameCube lasted from November 2001 to August 2007; the Xbox, 2001-2006. And some of these later games are even [[{{Persona4}} originals]], as opposed to cross-platform releases like movie tie-in games.
* ''StarCraft'' is still going strong twelve years later, especially in Korea. The sequel will only make its legacy ''longer''.
** In North America, a similar example is ''{{Counter-Strike}}'', a GameMod for the original ''HalfLife'' that's ''still'' the most popular [[FirstPersonShooter multiplayer FPS]] in the world over a decade later.
* ''BackyardSports''. The series has [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks changed]] [[ContinuityReboot so]] [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome much]] that it is unrecognizable aside from the players and the title, though.
* ''{{Meridian 59}}'', though 3DO itself has gone the way of the dinosaur, has been running on and off (mostly on) since 1996. The other [=MMORPGs=] that began in that era and are still running are... well, [[UltimaOnline tootin']] [[EverQuest popular]] in comparison.
* AsheronsCall is also often forgotten from the same era (to the point that it was left out of the previous entry) -- It recently celebrated it's 10 anniversary, still has monthly (or at least, bi-monthly) expansion patches, and is still chugging along with one of the most die hard playerbases you'll ever see.
* Hey! Sega's making [[SonicTheHedgehog4 a new 2D]] ''[[SonicTheHedgehog Sonic]]'' game in a last-ditch attempt to please the mother of all {{Unpleasable Fanbase}}s. There hasn't been a 2D Sonic on a home game console in years.
** [[SonicAdvance Nice]] [[SonicRush clarifier]].
* People are often surprised to find that ''UltimaOnline'' is still running. It lives to this very day - a little stagnant, a little outdated, but with a reasonably sized playerbase and continued supply of events and expansions.
** As a matter of fact, at least two sequels were axed by [[CashCowFranchise publisher Electronic Arts]] for fear that they would compete with the original ''UO'' for playerbase.
** Most pre-''WorldOfWarcraft'' [=MMORPGs=] can end up with this, (''{{Everquest}}'', ''CityOfHeroes''...) especially since younger games have failed in their wake.
* If we talk about H-Games, the Rance series (with SengokuRance being the lastest among them) has been around since 1989, the same year FinalFantasy series started.
** Of course, the longest one would have to be LeisureSuitLarry.
* ''{{Harpoon}}'' is still going after 20 years.
* {{Nintendo}} seems to be doing this with a number of their franchises (although some of these have been gone for so long that their recent returns can only be considered {{Revival}}s). ''{{Kirby}}'' is probably the best example, unless of course you consider the ''DonkeyKongCountry'' franchise to have remained active all these years through the likes of ''DonkeyKongJungleBeat'' and the ''Donkey Konga'' games.

[[AC:Web]]
* Go type lycos.com or altavista.com in your browser. Surprised? You probably had forgotten about them. Angelfire is also still kicking despite the demise of Geocities, though even that was only in ''2009''.
** dogpile.com too.
** tripod.com is part of lycos.com
** astalavista.box.sk is still online as well.
* The ConsoleWars may be lukewarm right now, but Sony Defense Force is still updating regularly, and [[StealthParody still an obvious yet elaborate]] {{Troll}}.

[[AC:Western Animation]]
* Amongst Fox's animated fare, ''KingOfTheHill'' has done well enough to last many seasons even though it doesn't have the apparent fan-cred of other animated prime time fare. This was actually referred to in an otherwise hotly satirical ''SouthPark'' episode "Cartoon Wars", about prime time animated shows, where animators for the show seemingly go about their business quietly. The show is usually referenced in passing in Fox's "Animation Domination" promos. Finally ended in 2009.
* ''{{Transformers}}''. No, [[Film/{{Transformers}} that]] was not a RevivalMovie.
** ''Transformers'' is an unusual example of this, as it does not continue as a single show, but rather is in a constant state of death and rebirth. To keep the concept fresh (and to [[{{Merchandise Driven}} sell more toys]]), shows and the toylines they're meant to promote usually only last about two years, and are then replaced by yet another new series. Sometimes the new series is touted as a direct sequel, while in other cases, it's an AlternateContinuity version.
*** The same could be said about {{Batman}}. Every time you think he's off the air, here comes another show.
* ''TheSimpsons''. No, [[TheSimpsonsMovie that wasn't a revival either]]. Despite its noticeable drop-off in ratings over the past decade or so, it still holds a strong following.
* TheFairlyOddParents has been in production as a full series since 2001 (with a brief hiatus from 2006-2008).
* The PBS series ''{{Arthur}}''.
* ''Bob The Builder''.
* ''EdEddNEddy'' was this until the series ended back in November 2009...over 10 years since it premiered.
* ''SouthPark'' has held this status for at least a couple of years now.
** Even moreso than {{The Simpsons}} (which was always aimed mostly at adults) considering South Park's original demographic of teenagers are now entering their 30's and some might not be that far away from having teenagers of their own. Weird.
* ''{{Rugrats}}'' was sort of like this until it was canceled in 2004. Its spinoff ''All Grown Up!'' was also like this until it was canceled in 2008.
* A good number of shows that have aired on ''{{PBS}} Kids'' such as ''{{Arthur}}'', ''BobTheBuilder'', ''Caillou'', ''TheBerenstainBears'', ''CyberChase'' and ''BetweenTheLions'' are still on and airing new episodes.

[[AC:Real Life]]
* The 2009 Minnesota senate recount went on for eight months before Norm Coleman finally conceded to Al Franken.
* There was a time period around 2005 - 2006 (before the heavy campaigning for the '08 Presidential Election began), that people blurted out the Trope Name when someone referenced the Iraq war.
* American forces are still in Afghanistan. Still fighting, killing, and dying (which means we're definitely still on a war footing). It might be longer than Vietnam when all is said and done.
* Another US political example: the Prohibition Party still exists. They've fielded a candidate in every presidential election since 1872. Their candidate received 655 votes (nationally) in 2008.
* More of a case of Hey Do They Still Make That: Jolt Cola. Yes, the infamous "All the sugar and twice the caffeine" cola of TheEighties is still going strong in the 21st century, with new (non-cola, but still caffeinated) flavors ({{YMMV}} on how good they are). There's even a diet version, which obviously has none of the sugar. Oh, and their cans are now huge and battery-shaped. It just goes to show that just because something isn't advertised anymore doesn't mean it's gone.
* For that matter, Fruit Stripe Gum. Even though you haven't heard [[EarWorm "Yipes! Stripes! Fruit Stripe Gum!"]] on television in over a decade, it's still out there.
** They got a throwaway gag on ''FamilyGuy'' once.
* [=TaB=]. Yes, the original diet cola is still in production.
* Mello Yello. Yes, it's still made, and in fact was re-introduced in Northern and Western states in 2010 after a decade-long abscence from there.
* Famous people who are no longer in the media spotlight, especially after they've outlived most, or at least many, of their generation can evoke this response, as in, "Hey, is that person still alive?"
** KirkDouglas.
** LaurenBacall.
** FidelCastro. He's since resigned from leading Cuba however.
*** Though there are some rumors amongst the Cuban population that Fidel has already kicked it, and the government is using a double for public shots.
** Doris Day.
** HenryKissinger.
*** And this is his Magic Murder Bag.
** MargaretThatcher.
** Betty Ford, widow of Gerald Ford and founder of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Ford_Center the rehab center]].
** Eli Wallach.
** Beverly Cleary, author of the ''HenryHuggins'' series and its SpinOff the ''RamonaQuimby'' series.
** Zsa Zsa Gabor.
** I.M. Pei.
** Phyllis Diller.
** ShirleyTemple.
** Vera Lynn.
** ElizabethTaylor.
** Harper Lee of ''ToKillAMockingbird'' fame
** Joan Fontaine.
*** Also her older sister Olivia de Havilland.
** Mikhail Kalashnikov.
** Three WorldWarOne veterans: Claude Choules (Royal Navy), Frank Buckles (US Army) and Florence Green (Women's RAF).
** [[MaureenOHara Maureen O'Hara]].
** Mickey Rooney.
** Luise Rainer. If you're asking, "Who?", she was a popular actress of the 1930s who won two consecutive AcademyAwards for Best Actress (the only other actress who have done so is Katharine Hepburn). The reason you've never heard of her is that her career tanked immediately afterwards and she quit film acting. She turned 100 in 2010. In 2001 she was onstage at the Academy Awards where she was announced as "the oldest living Academy Award winner." She probably still is.
** Charles Manson. Still in prison and [[CompleteMonster unlikely to ever leave.]]
** Mikhail Gorbachev.
** Imelda Marcos, of shoes fame.
** Shimon Peres.
** Pelé.
** [[AustralianPolitics Gough Whitlam]].
** Manuel Noriega, Panamanian dictator 1983-89.
** Chuck Berry.
** Fats Domino.
** Ernest Borgnine.
** Jack [=LaLanne=], fitness expert, well into his nineties and still doing a two-hour daily workout.
** Herbert [[ThePinkPanther "Chief Inspector]] [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain Dreyfus"]] Lom
** Abe Vigoda is famous for three things: playing Sal Tessio in ''TheGodfather'', playing Detective Fish in ''BarneyMiller'' (and being popular enough to get his own short-lived SpinOff), and since 1982, deliberately invoking this trope every time he shows up (whether in a film {{Cameo}}, a commercial, or late night talk show appearance, usually on ConanOBrien). It started when People magazine erroneously printed his obituary in 1982 and has continued because he's always looked like he's on death's doorstep, even when he first became famous...in the 1970s.
*** There's even a [[http://www.abevigoda.com/ffb.php website]] dedicated to informing people that yes, Abe Vigoda is still alive.
**** "Reload page for update."
** Similarly, Clive Dunn who played "doddering old man" roles in British sitcoms in the 1960s (most famously Corporal Jones in Dad's Army) when actually in his forties, and retired in 1984.
** Deborah Cavendish, Duchess of Devonshire; née Deborah Freeman-Mitford -- the last surviving Mitford sister.
** Robert Vaughn, last surviving member of ''TheMagnificentSeven'' (but not yet its last surviving cast member, see Eli Wallach above).
** Eve Marie Saint.
** Celeste Holm.
** Ariel Sharon. Sadly he's arguably suffering a FateWorseThanDeath.
** Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, a.k.a. Carlos the Jackal. Imprisoned in France since 1994.
** Alain Delon.
** Neil Armstrong. In fact, eight of the twelve Apollo moonwalkers are still living 40 years later, though only Buzz Aldrin gets much publicity.
** Osama Bin Laden (probably).
* Big Boy restaurants. Almost everyone has seen the Big Boy statue with his checkered overalls and a burger in one hand, but an extremely large number of restaurant closings in most markets has left many people unaware that they still exist. The few remaining ones are mostly in California (Bob's Big Boy), Michigan (just "Big Boy," formerly Elias Brothers), and Frisch's Big Boy of Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana.
** Similarly, Stuckey's, a Southern-based gift shop/restaurant/gas station. A ton of them closed in the seventies and eighties due to chain mismanagement, and they have all but disappeared from everywhere but the South. Still, the pecan logs and Stuckey's branded candy are still around, even if most remaining Stuckey's franchises are little more than a few aisles of candy in a convenience store; most of the in-house Stuckey's diners were long ago replaced with Dairy Queen.
** And for that matter, Howard Johnson's restaurants. The restaurant chain was nearly killed when Marriott closed ''all'' of the company-owned restaurants in 1985, then sold the franchised restaurants and the motels to two different companies. Since the 1980s, the franchisees closed off one by one, and the company that owned them went under; Cendant, which owns the (relatively unscathed) motel chain, is now in control of the ''three'' remaining [=HoJo=] restaurants.
** Wimpy was once probably the UK's biggest and best-known hamburger restaurant chain. It lost ground in the late-1980s when [=McDonalds=] seriously expanded their UK operations and Wimpy's then-owner converted many branches to Burger King. However, some remained- surprising those who thought it had been killed off completely- and more recently it has reverted to its "classic" 70s/80s branding, and has even started ''expanding'' again...
** Hot 'n Now, a burger chain begun in Kalamazoo, Michigan in 1984 and noted for being a drive-thru-only operation along the lines of Rally's/Checkers. Pepsico (which, at the time, owned KFC, Taco Bell and Pizza Hut) bought the chain in 1990 and expanded it vigorously, but it imploded in 1997 and got sold several times. The last known count was ''six'' open locations, all but one of which is in Michigan.
* The Korean War. An armistice was declared in 1953, and no one [[strike: bothered]] was able to officially end the war. In 2009 North Korea actually withdrew from the armistice, so North and South Korea are, technically, completely at war again.
* Another cola: Moxie has been in production since 1876. You read right, 19th century. Fell behind fairly early in the cola wars but still holds regional popularity in New England. There is even some talk of attempts to market it to a wider public in the future.
* The United States accidentally spent ''twenty-eight years'', from 1950 to 1978, in an official [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_emergency#United_States state of emergency]] because Congress didn't think to check.
* British company Premier Foods' business includes a strong element of this trope as they're well known for acquiring "nostalgia" brands popular from the post-WWII era through to the 1980s. Yes, Angel Delight, Mother's Pride, Marvel dried milk and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKt-KR1TsRg Smash]] are [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_foods#Operations still being made]] and many have enjoyed a revival during the 2008 recession.
* There's a court case in Virginia that has been pending for over [[BeyondTheImpossible a hundred years.]] The reason? An attempt to set the [[WhatAnIdiot legal value of pi at three.]]
* The Democrat candidate in California's 2010 gubernatorial election is ''Jerry Brown.'' Yes, ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW8UlY8eXCk that]]'' Jerry Brown.
* {{Drive-In Theater}}s. Not nearly as ubiquitous as they once were, but nearly every state in the U.S. has at least one operational one. New ones have even opened.
* Vinyl records. [=MP3=]s and [=iTunes=] have been killing the CompactDisc, but good ol' vinyl has been making a comeback in the 21st century.
* IGA supermarkets. Their numbers have dwindled in recent years, but they are still especially common in small towns across the United States.
* Anacin aspirin, as discussed in ''FamilyGuy''.

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* [[{{Trigun}} Vash and Knives are brothers.]] And they are [[{{Immortality}} immortal]] too.
* ''{{Bleach}}'': Aizen is the BigBad.
* ''SailorMoon'' (first season): Usagi [[ChangelingFantasy is the moon princess]] everyone's been looking for. This, along with other plot points, is [[{{Macekre}} ruined in the English dub, as well as a few other dubs]] by being revealed to the viewers in the first episode in a scene that didn't appear until ''much'' later originally.
** Also, Tuxedo Mask is Mamoru in disguise.
** Additionally, Chibi-Usa from the second season is their daughter from the future, which isn't outright said until around 3/4's of the way through R.
** Plus, all the Senshi's true identities are not typically spoiler marked, which are all spoilers (with the possible exception of Pluto), but it is most egregious in the case of Hotaru/Sailor Saturn, which is a fairly monumental [[TheReveal reveal]]. The fact that alot of promotional material shows them in Senshi form, and they then look identical, kind of ruins it even for the average joe.
*** Sailor Pluto doesn't get the same treatment in this regard due to the fact that she's shown as a Senshi First, then appears as a civilian in the next arc. We're already familiar with her appearance by this time it's obvious who she is.
* ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh}}'': The card game Duel Monsters is based on ancient Egyptian "shadow games". This isn't revealed until the beginning of Battle City in the original version, but the American adaptation gives you this fact in the second episode. (It's [[DubInducedPlotHole mysteriously still treated as a surprise]] when it happens then.)
** Actually the intros to the earlier episodes in Japanese did somewhat spoiled it already, or did it just mention sorcerers in ancient times?
*** It mentions (paraphrased) 'A game popular in Egypt that could predict the future known as the Game of Darkness.'
* ''SpeedRacer'': Unknown to Speed, Racer X is Speed's older brother Rex who ran away from home. The constant mentioning of the fact that Racer X is Speed's older brother Rex by the narrator wouldn't be so bad, if he didn't seem to treat the fact that Racer X is actually Rex, the older brother of Speed as such a frickin' revelation ''every single time''. The fact that "Racer X" (in fact the older brother of Speed, Rex) is also pronounced identically to "Racer Rex" just makes the revelation that Racer X is in fact a disguise worn by Speed's older brother Rex even worse. The 2008 LiveActionAdaptation movie handles this- the surprise twist that Racer X, unknown to Speed, is in fact his missing older brother Rex Racer- in a much better manner, but saying more would be a {{Spoiler}}.
** ''DextersLaboratory'' spoiled this in making [=DeeDee=] "Racer D" in their homage, and is a lot more blatant about it.
* ''{{Naruto}}'': Sasuke pulls a FaceHeelTurn.
* ''NeonGenesisEvangelion'' is a weird example. Everyone remembers what everything ''looked'' like, but no one could [[MindScrew understand what was happening]]. Most people after seeing it for the first time would conclude that [[KillEmAll everyone dies]].
** Mostly everyone knows that the last two episodes are some sort of therapy/recap that's supposed to mean something. Just... ''something''.
** [[HumansAreCthulhu Humanity is the eighteenth Angel.]]
** Instrumentality means everyone gets hugged and turns into Tang. It even got a trope named after it before it was renamed to AssimilationPlot for being a huge spoiler.
* [[JoJosBizarreAdventure Dio Brando]] [[TimeStandsStill stops time.]]
** [[MemeticMutation ZA WARUDO]]
* ''{{Bokurano}}'': Piloting the giant robot costs the pilot their life. Many that get into the series don't even know this was ever a spoiler.
* ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha.'' Fate, Hayate and the Wolkenwritter all do a HeelFaceTurn and join the core cast.
* ''{{Slayers}}'': Xellos is a Monster / Mazoku.
* ''OuranHighSchoolHostClub'': Haruhi is a [[DroppedABridgetOnHim girl]]. Funimation spoiled this in their descripion for the first episode.
* ''{{Monster}}'': The little boy that Tenma saves in the first few episodes, Johan, is the titular monster.
* ''{{Negima}}'': Setsuna is a half-demon, and on the same side as the good guys[[hottip:* :yes, it was a twist when it first happened]].
** Fate was not just some mook. Looking around this site you'd think it was obvious early on.
* [[CodeGeass Lelouch dies]] [[SuicideByCop by Suzaku's hand]] - [[ThanatosGambit and that's exactly]] [[SilentScapegoat how he wanted it.]]
* ''{{Gekiganger 3}}'', ''MartianSuccessorNadesico'''s ShowWithinAShow has one, both in the ''Nadesico'' universe and in RealLife: Joe dies. Considering this came up in Ep. 3 of ''Nadesico''...
* [[DragonBall Piccolo and Vegeta]] each undergo a HeelFaceTurn.
** Goku and Piccolo are aliens.
** Goku is the Super Saiyan. And so is every other living Saiyan in the series.
* ''{{Pokemon}}'': Ash dies in the first movie then gets resurrected. Paul has a brother. Misty leaves to be a gym leader.
** ''PokemonSpecial'': Yellow is a [[SweetPollyOliver girl]]. Silver and Blue are related to Team Rocket. Silver's father is Giovanni.
** ''PokemonDiamondAndPearlAdventure'': Mitsumi was apart of Team Galactic.
* ''SchoolDays'': Makoto cheats and dies. Also, a [[MemeticMutation Nice Boat]] appears.
* ''HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi'' Mion has a twin, people die but they [[IGotBetter get better]], Rika's the actual protagonist, Satoshi's alive, and Takano's the BigBad.
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* ''Comicbook/{{Spider-Man}}'': Gwen Stacy is killed during a battle between Spider-Man and the Green Goblin. It was, in fact, hyped with TonightSomeoneDies, but in the days when fans [[SarcasticConfession would be likely to assume a trick]].
* ''TeenTitans'': in the mid-80's ''Teen Titans'', the perky blond superheroine Terra is TheMole, and is plotting for her entire stay in the comic to lead the Titans into a trap and get them killed, all for her boyfriend... Slade. {{Squick}}. Since this was pre-FrankMiller and DarkerAndEdgier, this had an even bigger HSQ than the above Gwen Stacy event.
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* Filmsite.org has [[http://www.filmsite.org/greattwists.html an extensive list]] of film spoilers, [[TheReveal reveals]], and surprise endings.
* ''CitizenKane'': Rosebud was his sled. Although he provided the trope name in the formerly above quote, [[FamilyGuy Peter Griffin]] was not the first to spoil it -- that ship sailed for good when Charles Schulz, with uncharacteristic thoughtlessness, gave it away in a 70s ''{{Peanuts}}'' [[http://comics.com/peanuts/1973-12-09/ strip]].
** Better yet, Schulz spoiled it A SECOND TIME in the 1990's, with a virtual rerun of his original 70's spoiler (the sequel featured the character "Rerun", ironically).
** It was spoiled by ''[[McDuck Don Rosa]]'' in the final chapter of ''The Life & Times of Scrooge McDuck'' (or rather, the author's introduction to it), although were too young to get the reference and didn't realize it [[LateToThePunchline until later]].
** Many of us who grew up in the 1980s had this ruined for us by an episode of ''TheRealGhostbusters'' cartoon, where the ghost was that of Charles Foster Kane and he was convinced to stop haunting at the end when he was ''given the sled back''! Seriously.
** And those who spent the early nineties watching afternoon television got it spoilt by an episode of ''{{Columbo}}''. 'Rosebud' is the control word for the dogs used to commit the murder.
*** ''TinyToonAdventures'' spoiled it [[WholePlotReference pretty good too]] back then.
** Olsen & Johnson spoiled this ''the same year Citizen Kane came out in 1941'' in ''Hellzapoppin,'' when Chic Johnson bumps into the sled and says "Thought they burned that..." (seen at 8:33 [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8okW69O4mY here]])
** Julie Brown ended her song "The Homecoming Queen's Got a Gun" with her friend Debi gunned down during her shooting spree - as she lays dying she croaks "I did it...for Johnny!". Julie is puzzled; she doesn't know any Johnnys, and exclaims "Omigod, this is just like that movie Citizen Kane where you later find out Rosebud was a sled? But we'll never know who Johnny is, 'cause, like...she's dead!"
** ''MoreInformationThanYouRequire'' did ''not'' spoil it. Because the book consists entirely of [[LittleKnownFacts lies]], we are told that "Rosebud" was William Randolph Heart's nickname for TheodoreRoosevelt.
** Also spoiled in an ''{{Animaniacs}}'' [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQzKZE85JzQ intro]].
** Craig Ferguson references this during one of his email/twitter sessions on ''TheLateLateShow''.
** Spoiled by ''FamilyGuy'' (although unless you knew it was ''CitizenKane'' then you were left wondering what the actual joke is.
** Unless...you are one of the folks who believe the urban legend that "Rosebud" is just William Randolph Hearst's nickname for Marion Davies'...ahem.
** Also spoiled in ''TheSopranos''. The female characters are shown watching it, and the ending is very clearly shown. Adriana remarks, "So ItWasHisSled, huh?"
* ''[[StarWars The Empire Strikes Back]]'': [[LukeIAmYourFather Luke is the son of Darth Vader]]. Although really, "vader" is Dutch for "father", so it shouldn't have come as that much of a shock.
** WordOfGod has it that George Lucas came up with the name by mashing random syllables together until [[RuleOfCool he found something that sounded cool]], and the Dutch thing is a coincidence.
** The third season ''TheSimpsons'' episode "I Married Marge" has a flashback where the young Homer spoils this for a long line of moviegoers by coming out of the cinema and exclaiming loudly "I can't ''believe'' that Darth Vader turns out to be Luke's father!" Cue groans, and the line grumpily dispersing.
--->'''Guy in line:''' ''Thanks, Mr. Blow-The-Picture-For-Me!''
** Humorously spoiled in the ''FamilyGuy'' "A New Hope" parody (a whole movie early) when Luke's aunt tells him to "remind your uncle Owen not to tell you that Darth Vader is your father."
** ''ReturnOfTheJedi'':
*** Leia is Luke's sister. And Mark Hamil hints at this before the movie opens. Lampshaded in a Luke\Leia toy release. Now completely spoiled and no longer a point of suspense, as episodes 1-3 lay this out clearly.
** For the prequel trilogy, the fact that Darth Sidious is Senator Palpatine is the Emperor.
*** Though it may not be ruined, since it is thought among many fans that the films should be watched in production order, thus retaining the suspense.
*** So long as people ignore the fact that Sidious and ''RotJ'' Palpatine have identical height, voice, and dress sense, and that both are Dark Lords of the Sith (well, Emperor Palp is at least strong in the DarkSide).
** The background music gives it away, playing the Emperor's leitmotif during all of Sidious and Palpatine's scenes. Even if you don't yet know what he'll become, it's pretty clearly the same guy.
** They do make some attempt to hide it by not including Darth Sidious in the credits.
*** Although this is in no way a surprise to anyone that's read...pretty much any EU novel..cause almost every reference to the Emperor by name as Palpatine.
* ''TheCryingGame'': Dil [[DroppedABridgetOnHim isn't the usual sort of woman]].
** See AllThereIsToKnowAboutTheCryingGame.
** This one was also on an episode of the ''TheSimpsons'', where Mayor Quimby announced it to the people in a speech.
* [[FridayThe13th Friday the 13th]]: His mom killed them.
* ''MButterfly''. Song [[DroppedABridgetOnHim isn't either]]. The clue is in the title: where the opera was called ''MadameButterfly'', the play (and DavidCronenberg film based thereon) use a far more ambiguous abbreviated honorific.
* ''{{Psycho}}'': Norman Bates's murderous mother is actually Norman's other personality. The murder itself, [[SacrificialLion killing off the hitherto most important character halfway through the movie]], was originally meant to be a surprise, too.
* ''{{Film/Soylent Green}}'' is people!
** Although in the book it's ''soy''beans and ''lent''ils. (Soylent Red adds coloring to make it look more like meat.)
** Sadly enough, the big twist can be ruined [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giss0vmT1JU&feature=player_embedded by the goddamn trailer]] if you happened [[TrailersAlwaysSpoil to put two and two together.]] (At 2:20 or so into the trailer, you can see Charlton Heston sneaking into a factory where there are inconspicuous white body bags on a conveyor belt. [[SarcasmMode Wonder what those could be?]])
* The ''PlanetOfTheApes'' is [[PlanetOfTheApesEnding really a post-apocalyptic Earth]].
** The final reveal of this one is frequently blown in the advertisement or DVD cover...
** It was well-known enough for MelBrooks to parody the ending in ''{{Spaceballs}}''.
** And for ''TheSimpsons'' to parody the ending as a musical {{Show within a show}} starring Troy [=McClure=] as Colonel Taylor, complete with a Statue of Liberty prop rising in the background as he sang, "Oh my god! I was wrong./It was Earth all along."
** Of course, the very existence of EarthAllAlong spoils this.
* In ''OldYeller'', the kid has to ShootTheDog after it gets infected with rabies. Literally.
* ''TheThirdMan'': Orson Welles' character isn't dead.
* ''TheSixthSense'': Bruce Willis, however, was dead the whole time.
** Also, "I see dead people" was supposed to be a twist, explaining what the heck was going on for the first half of the movie, but [[TrailersAlwaysSpoil it was featured in the trailers.]]
** Spoofed in ''MockTheWeek'': "We interrupt this showing of ''TheSixthSense'' to bring you some breaking news: Bruce Willis is a ghost!"
* ''TheWizardOfOz'' is, in both the film and the book, just an American con man. Also, in the movie (and [[AdaptationDecay only the movie]]), it was AllJustADream, "a wonderful dream."
* ''{{Casablanca}}'': Rick lets Ilsa go to be with her husband, who needs her to inspire his fight against the Nazis, and then he and Louis go to Brazzaville, fight more Nazis, and have a [[HeterosexualLifePartners beautiful friendship]].
** This might have been less of a twist to contemporary audiences, as there would be no way to get a wife abandoning her husband past the censors of the time without killing off Victor.
** It was a twist to the both cast and crew as well, since the writing team couldn't decide which man Ilsa would end up with until more than halfway through filming.
* The ''DisneyAnimatedCanon'' has plenty, in part because it frequently draws from older sources. A few of the more famous include:
** ''Disney/SnowWhite'': That apple [[DisneyDeath didn't really kill Snow White]]. All she needed was [[TrueLovesKiss True Love's First Kiss]] to wake up.
** ''Disney/{{Pinocchio}}'': Picocchio [[BecomeARealBoy becomes a real boy in the end]].
** ''{{Dumbo}}'': Dumbo can use his big ears to fly.
** ''{{Bambi}}'': Bambi's mother dies.
** ''Disney/SleepingBeauty'': Princess Aurora is awakened by the Prince's kiss.
** ''TheLionKing'': Mufasa dies. Unlike in [[{{Hamlet}} the source material]], however, (but quite like the source material's source material), the hero becomes king and lives HappilyEverAfter.
* ''KingKong'': He climbs to the top of the Empire State Building and gets machine-gunned by aeroplanes until he falls down. But it wasn't the airplanes. It was Beauty killed the Beast.
** Token PennyArcade, [[http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/12/5/ played straight]].
* [[http://snake.phys.lsu.edu/~gclayton/film-endings.html This comprehensive list]] of {{Twist Ending}}s from ''The New York Times''.
* ''{{Titanic}}'': Besides [[ForegoneConclusion the obvious]], it's become well known that Rose had the jewel the whole time (to the point that the final scene was parodied in an insurance ad).
** Also mentioned in the music video for "Ooops, I Did It Again," by Britney Spears.
* Even first-time viewers of ''Film/{{Alien}}'' these days are not surprised by the chestbursting scene.
* ''{{Terminator}} 2'': [[HeelFaceTurn Arnold's the good guy in this one]]. Most people don't even ''know'' that was supposed to be a surprise, as [[TrailersAlwaysSpoil the marketing totally ruined it]].
* In ''FightClub'' Tyler Durden is the Narrator's split personality. Thank you, Rosie O'Donnell.
** The good news, if you've see this spoiler and have not yet seen FightClub, is that the movie continues to be ''plenty'' interesting after this is revealed.
* ''TheUsualSuspects'': Verbal Kint is really Keyser Soze.
* ''TheFly''. In the original version the fact that the teleporter combined the MadScientist with a fly is supposed to be a huge surprise. Even though it's in the title.
* ''TheWickerMan''. They burn the policeman. In a big wicker man.
* ''StarTrek [[StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan II: The Wrath of Khan]]''. Spock dies (until [[BackFromTheDead the sequel]]).
** The makers try to mess with us here: The news that Spock's death was planned leaked fairly early on in development, so the first scene (the famous ''KobayashiMaru'' scene) was edited so that most of the characters (including Spock) 'died'. After the sim ends, Kirk even asks Spock: ''"Aren't you dead?"'' This was to preserve the twist; first-time moviegoers would assume the spoilers referred to this scene, and would then be surprised when Spock died For Real This Time. Today no one notices ''any'' of this.
** In the 2009 {{Film/StarTrek}} movie, people began discussing Spock Prime's appearance almost as soon as the film opened. In fact, [[YouShouldKnowThisAlready Nimoy and Quinto appeared on late-night talk shows together]]. Good job, Paramount marketing!
*** Nimoy was on the cast list on IMDB long before the movie came out.
** People also heard right away about [[EarthShatteringKaboom Vulcan getting destroyed by the villain]], and even the detail about [[AnyoneCanDie Amanda's death]].
* An odd one here is ''{{Scanners}}''. The fact that [[YourHeadASplode one dude's head explodes]] has become an [[MemeticMutation cultural meme]], but a lot of people don't know that it's from this film. Once the scene starts, however, everyone recognizes the guy (he looks a little like Dr. Phil), says "Oh, it's from ''this'' movie!", and knows how the scene will end.
** In addition, ''WaynesWorld'' spoiled this scene when Garth is left to carry the show.
-->'''Camera Guy''': "Remember that scene in ''Scanners'' when that dude's head blew up?"
-->''Cut to Garth shaking''
* ''{{Videodrome}}'' gives you brain tumours. [[MindScrew May]][[UnreliableNarrator be]].
* ''TheCabinetOfDrCaligari'': Francis is insane and the whole thing is his [[TalkativeLoon babbling]]. The real cabinet is in his head, and vice versa.
** His head's in the cabinet?
* ''{{Nosferatu}}'': Orlok is killed by [[ItBurns sunlight]].
* Although ''DrStrangelove'' regains the ability to walk, the mission to prevent TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt is a failure, and the film ends with footage of nuclear explosions while "We'll Meet Again" [[SoundtrackDissonance plays]].
** Additionally, he stops worrying and learns to love the bomb.
* ''{{Network}}'' has Howard Beale murdered live on TV.
* ''WhenAStrangerCalls'': The calls are coming from inside the house.
* Sidney Poitier gets a coffee mug with ''To Sir, With Love'' written on it from one of his students.
* [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment And while we're on the]] [[ParentalIncest subject]], [[{{Chinatown}} Noah Cross had a daughter with his daughter]]. And TheBadGuyWins.
* ''TheStepfordWives'' are actually highly sophisticated [[RoboticReveal animatronics.]]
* Princess Fiona in ''{{Shrek}}'' has a curse that turns her into an ogre at night. In the end, she marries Shrek and becomes an ogre full-time. Less of a memetic spoiler than most, but it's pretty obvious now that the sequels are out.
** Actually, it's implied that she actually ''is'' an ogre, and had a spell cast on her to make her beautiful during the day. Shrek's kiss broke that spell.
* ''GoneWithTheWind'': As mentioned in the Literature section, everybody should know by now that Rhett leaves Scarlett in the end, thanks to the immortal line "Frankly m'dear, I don't give a damn".
* {{Satan}} is the father of ''[[RosemarysBaby Rosemary's Baby]]''.
* In ''Paranoiac'', Oliver Reed's character knows that that newcomer isn't really his long-lost brother because he's actually killed the brother and hidden the body in the garage.
* TheMatrix is a giant computer simulation that we're all stuck in because because the humans lost the war with the machines; it turns out Neo is the one, comes back from the dead and then destroys Agent Smith.
* TheVillage is a modern day nature preserve. And the Monsters are really the Town Elders.
* ''ABeautifulMind'': John Nash has schizophrenia.
* [[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1101026/ Admiral]] became a TropeNamer for this in Russia after some blogger posted a review saying: "The ending is a bit predictable. Somewhere around the middle I got a feeling that in the end [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Kolchak Kolchak]] will be shot. [[CaptainObvious And so he was.]]" Since most people in Russia know Kolchak's fate [[DidNotDoTheResearch since school]], that review became a meme.
* ''NorthByNorthwest'': Eve is a ReverseMole working for the United States. The movie ends with a fight on the top of Mount Rushmore.
* ''TheGraduate'': Ben breaks up Elaine's wedding and they ride away on a bus. They look completely uncomfortable with each other in the final shot.
* ''OneFlewOverTheCuckoosNest'': Most of the inmates in the hospital are there voluntarily, and are not committed. Jack Nicholson's character is lobotomized and then mercy-killed at the end.
* ''TheWizardOfOz'': The WickedWitch dies. It was AllJustADream
* Are you watching a SherlockHolmes film? Then there is a 99% chance that the villain will turn out to be James Moriarty, even if that's not what he's calling himself at the moment.
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[[folder: Literature]]
* ''TheStrangeCaseOfDoctorJekyllAndMrHyde'': [[JekyllAndHyde The two title characters are the same man]]. This was a TwistEnding in the original novel, but it's so well known today, all of the adaptations make it part of the plot from the beginning. Because of this, some people are unaware that it ever ''was'' a twist.
* ''TheScarletPimpernel'' is Sir Percy Blakeney. Once again, in the original book, the reader doesn't discover this fact until Percy's wife does, but this has become another case where the twist is so well-known that most TV and film adaptations reveal it at the very beginning.
* ''HarryPotter and the Half-Blood Prince'': "Snape kills Dumbledore" quickly became an [[http://xkcd.com/109/ internet meme]] within days of the book's release.
** In its 18th season, {{The Simpsons}} pretty much validated this spoiler during an episode in which Homer read the latest ''Angelica Button'' book to daughter Lisa. Later he skipped ahead, then announced, "They killed [headmaster] Greystache!"
*** Or in the 21st season, where, upon finishing describing his latest plan to Bart, Sideshow Bob says "It'll be the greatest murder since ''Snape killed Dumbledore''!" Bart hadn't read that far yet; Bob protests that it's a four-year-old book, and Bart responds by saying he's a slow reader.
** Now the only spoiler is what really happened: [[spoiler:"Snape ''euthanizes'' Dumbledore"]]! Which is pretty well-known, too, now. [[spoiler: In other words, Snape was really working for Dumbledore the entire time.]]
*** The fact is somewhat foreshadowed in the sixth movie, where Snape asks Dumbledore [[spoiler: "Do you ever thing that you ask too much?" Refering to Dumbledore asking him to fulfill his role to the letter, including helping kill him, since that was Draco's mission.]]
* ''TheWheelOfTime'': Rand al'Thor is [[TheChosenOne the Dragon Reborn]]. Although it's pretty evident from about a third of the way into the first book, and shortly after, confirmed by [[TheObiWant Moiraine]].
* ''AliceInWonderland'': It was AllJustADream.
** ''Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There'': Again, it was AllJustADream. But just to mess with our heads, we're left with the question "Was it Alice's dream, or the Red King's dream?"
** The Mad Hatter doesn't know why a raven is like a writing desk.
* ''Anna Karenina'': Anna commits suicide by jumping under a train. When Vladimir Nabokov taught this novel, he was particularly fond of the trope; he intentionally gave away the ending to his students before they started reading the book, so they would not focus solely on the plot.
** Focus on the ''plot'' of a Russian literary classic? [[GeniusBonus Heh...]]
* ''TreasureIsland'': The ship's cook, Long John Silver, turns out to be a pirate. Of course, these days the name "Long John Silver" is as strongly associated with piracy as Black Beard, and, in fact, the [[TalkLikeAPirate "Pirate Accent"]] was associated with piracy by a portrayal of Silver. Nowadays those who haven't read the book might be more surprised to learn he was a cook at the start - [[FridgeBrilliance which brings us to the fast food chain that bears his name...]]
** Also, Ben Gunn had the treasure all along. And John escapes with a sack of coin.
* In Len Deighton's {{Bernard Samson}} sequence, the twist at the end of the first novel, Berlin Game, is essentially given away the back cover of every subsequent novel in the sequence "Bernard Samson is a bit distraught that his wife is a traitor'.
* Parodied and subverted in ''MoreInformationThanYouRequire'', when Hodgman discusses W.R. Hearst, and reveals that "Rosebud" was Hearst's nickname for TheodoreRoosevelt.
* ''WarOfTheWorlds'': The aliens are ultimately brought down by the common cold.
* ''TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy'': The answer to the "Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything" is... [[AntiClimax 42]].
* ''NineteenEightyFour'': The Brotherhood is a trap, O'Brien works for the party, Winston tells them to do it to Julia, and in the end, he loves Big Brother.
* ''TheBible'': Jesus dies for our sins and comes back to life.
** John has a prophecy about the world ending.
* ''GoneWithTheWind:'' Rhett leaves Scarlett. That's the entire point of "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn!"
* ''TheMalteseFalcon'' is a fake. General Kemidov still has the real one. Also, Bridget shot Archer.
* HPLovecraft gives us a few:
** ''The Call of Cthulhu'': Cthulhu rises, and then goes to sleep again.
** ''The Dunwich Horror'' is the giant, invisible brother of Wilbur. Both of them are the sons of Yog-Sothoth.
** ''Pickman's Model'' is a giant ghoul.
** ''The Rats in the Walls'' are actually in his head, and [[LamarckWasRight he has inherited]] [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]] from his ancestors.
** ''The Haunter of the Dark'' is an avatar of Nyarlathotep. It drives the protagonist mad and probably eats him.
** ''At the Mountains of Madness'', there are dead aliens, and a few live ones.
** ''The Shadow Over Innsmouth'' is the fact that its townsfolk are descended from demonic fish-creatures. [[TomatoInTheMirror The protagonist is, too.]]
** ''The Whisperer in the Dark'' is that aliens have removed the man's brain and use technology to make the empty husk of his body whisper to the protagonist, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment in a dark room.]] (This was probably more of a shock in the days before the BrainInAJar trope.)
** ''The Shadow Out of Time'' is that The Great Race has been mind-switching with other species (including humans) to collect information on various species and cultures. The protagonist who underwent one such mind-swap discovers a tablet explaining English that he himself wrote buried in a millenia-old ruin.
* ''TheCryingOfLot49'': We never find out what was going on. And the book ends before the actual crying starts.
* Hate to break this to y'all, but Count {{Dracula}} is a vampire. Shocking, I know. He also turns Lucy into one. There was originally some indication that he was a werewolf.
* ''AroundTheWorldInEightyDays'', Fogg and company arrive in London apparently too late to get to the Reform Club in time in the third to the last chapter, but in the next chapter, Fogg arrives just in time win the bet. Most adaptations don't bother with this twist and just show the events that alerts Fogg that he still had time to complete the trip after all, ending with a suspenseful scene of Fogg and company's final sprint to the Reform Club.
* ''The Adventure of the Final Problem'': Sherlock Holmes and his nemesis Professor Moriarty both fall to their deaths from Riechenbach Falls.
** ''The Adventure of the Empty House'': You won't believe this, but Sherlock Holmes didn't die, he was hiding from Moriarty's henchmen.
* In the third Hercule Poirot novel, ''The Murder of Roger Ackroyd'', the murderer is the narrator. In the very last Hercule Poirot novel, ''Curtain'', the ''final'' murder is committed by the master detective, Hercule Poirot himself. Both of these break the fundamental rules of fair play in detective fiction, but in ways that still play fair.
* ''{{Twilight}}'': Edward is a vampire! (It doesn't help that this twist is spoiled on ''the book's jacket''.)
** Similiarly, in ''New Moon'', Jacob is a werewolf! Even people who haven't read the books now know this from the [[TrailersAlwaysSpoil movie trailers]].
* ''JaneEyre'': Mr. Rochester's wife is BerthaInTheAttic.
* ''FlowersForAlgernon'': [[FlowersForAlgernonSyndrome Charlie's increased intelligence is temporary]].
* ''LordOfTheFlies'': HumansAreBastards and Piggy dies.
* ''OfMiceAndMen'': George [[KillTheOnesYouLove kills Lennie]].
* The endings of EdgarAllanPoe's most famous stories are generally pretty well known. "The Tell-tale Heart": The murderer is driven to confess because he can hear his victim's heart beating. "The Cask of Amontillado": The narrator walls up his enemy in the cellar. "The Masque of the Red Death": The masked guest is the Red Death itself. "The Fall of the House of Usher": Madeline was BuriedAlive. "The Purloined Letter" was HiddenInPlainSight. And so on.
* ''The Vampyre''. [[LordByron Lord Ruthven]] is actually a vampire/vampyre.
* ''AtlasShrugged'': The world's productive businessmen are retreating to a secluded valley called Galt's Gulch, in order to remove their contribution to a world that hates them yet depends on them, until the outside world collapses and they can return as its new masters.
* ''Mahabharata'': Krishna is an avatar of Vishnu.
* ''DivineComedy'': Any modern version of the Commedia will start the book out by revealing that the main character is Dante and the forest represents the blindness of sin and the urge to commit suicide. This is probably a remnant of when Inferno got so popular it used to be sold alone because all of those facts (author as character, sin, suicide) are supposed to be surprises spelled out in detail by Beatrice in Purgatory.
* ''PrideAndPrejudice'': Elizabeth Bennet marries Mr. Darcy. Also, George Wickham is [[AffablyEvil not as amiable as he seems.]]
* ''{{Wicked}}'': Elphaba [[ForegoneConclusion dies]].
** [[spoiler:"Except in the musical, where she doesn't really."]]
* ''WizardofOz'' : The witch dies. It was NOT AllJustADream. In fact, there are sequels where Dorothy goes back.
* ''MobyDick'': The whale kills everyone but [[TheIshmael Ishmael]].
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[[folder: Live Action TV]]
* ''HappyDays'': Fonzie survives [[JumpingTheShark jumping over the shark]]. The show itself....not so much.
* Due to PopCulturalOsmosis, many of the twists of ''{{Lost}}'''s first season are well-known enough to be parodied or spoofed without regard for whether someone has seen the show. As the years go by, certain elements of the later seasons naturally become this trope as well:
** The monster in the jungle is an amorphous cloud of black smoke. Revealed in the second season, the monster's appearance (Dinosaur? Giant sloth? Robot?) was a source of almost all speculation about the show during the first season.
** John Locke was in a wheelchair before the crash and regained his ability to walk on the island. The show's first twist ending, and is now so well known that most fans forget this was ever a plot twist to begin with.
** Walt is kidnapped off the raft by the Others, who apparently resemble untamed savages. Often an example of ShallowParody, as the Others are perfectly clean and civilized individuals, but pop culture hasn't caught up to that season yet.
** The hatch is actually a research station containing a computer with a button that must be pushed every 108 minutes. Because the DHARMA Initiative is such a massive part of the show, many people forget the hatch's contents were ever a mystery.
*** The ''very fact that there is a hatch in the ground to begin with'' is an example of this trope.
** "Henry Gale from Minnesota" is in fact Benjamin Linus, certified lying bastard and leader of the Others. Like the hatch example, Ben is such a major character that many people can't remember the show without him.
* The twist endings to several episodes of ''TheTwilightZone'' have fallen victim to this. The most famous are probably the ending of "ToServeMan" ("It's a cookbook!") and [[PlanetOfTheApesEnding "I Shot An Arrow Into The Air"]].
** It's not fair! There was time now!
** I'm a pretty girl in a world of ugly pigpeople who consider themselves the standard bearers of beauty!
** Those "tiny" alien invaders attacking that poor old lady are actually Earth-men on a planet of giants!
* ''{{Dallas}}'': Kristin shot J.R.
** It was AllJustADream!
* The final ''{{Newhart}}'' has probably reached this point by now: It's all a dream of the main character of ''TheBobNewhartShow''.
** As well as the final ''StElsewhere'': It's all a fantasy of an autistic boy.
*** Oh and ''StElsewhere'' had multiple crossovers episodes of other shows, with characters from the dream being treated as real in those shows. Those show also crossover with others, to the point a good chunk of television is his dream.
** ''{{Roseanne}}'': Everything after a previously unremarkable episode had been Roseanne's idealized semi-autobiographical novel.
*** It's also suggested that the entire show was also her writing.
* In the first season of ''BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', Angel being a vampire was a big plot twist revealed mid-way through the season. Yeah.
** Oh, and [[AmberBenson Tara]] [[StuffedInTheFridge dies]]. Certainly makes some moments with her from previous seasons make you wanna kill somebody.
** By the way, Buffy dies at the end of Season 1. And at the end of Season 5.
* Certainly the sudden blackout ending of ''TheSopranos'' counts, considering how much the media talked about it.
* Susan Boyle on ''BritainsGotTalent'' looks like she's going to be one of those HopelessAuditionees. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY She isn't.]]
* [[DoctorWho Professor Yana is The Master.]]There are several of these in Classic Doctor Who, which is pretty much unavoidable since it has been running since the '60s and has over a thousand episodes, so no one is going to be watching it from beginning to end. A few dramatic moments that will have been spoiled if you go back to watch the old episodes include that The Doctor regenerates if he dies, that Romana regenerates, that Adric dies, that the Daleks will become extremely powerful, that the Time Lords will get wiped out, and many, many more.
* ''TheShield'''s twist in the pilot, where the paint-by-numbers corrupt cop with a heart of gold Vic Mackey murders in cold blood good guy cop Terry Crowley, helped elevate Michael Chiklis's character to a new level of magnificent bastardom and make the Shield not just another cop show, by sending Vic over the MoralEventHorizon and asking fans to [[ItGotWorse follow him on his way down to even further villainy]].
** Made even more surprising by the fact that Crowley is played by a semi-known actor, whose name is in the main credits, and appeared in the series' promotional material before the premiere.
* ''[[MASHTheSeries M* A* S* H]]'': Col. Blake's plane is [[McLeaned shot down]] as he's [[{{Retirony}} on his way home]].
** Also, the fighting stops.
* ''DaeJangGeum ''is a very interesting example, since it is usually only spoiled for those who understand the native Korean, but it is spoiled right there in the title. Those watching it with subtitles don't know what Dae means, and probably don't know enough Korean history to know who the historical figure is. If they can just avoid reading any description of the show, they will enjoy an incredible surprise ending.
* ''Crusade'': The ship that destroyed the Cerebus and left Gideon stranded in space was not, in fact, a Shadow ship. It was a human ship built with Shadow technology.
* ''TheFugitive'': It ''was'' the one-armed man.
* ''StarTrekVoyager'': They get back home.

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[[folder: Poetry]]
* In "Casey at the Bat", Mighty Casey strikes out.
* The Raven from "[[EdgarAllanPoe The Raven]]" stays there forever.
* Richard Cory [[DownerEnding shoots himself in the head]].
* {{Homer}}: Achilles is shot [[AchillesHeel in the heel]] and dies, the Trojan War is won when the Greeks [[TrojanHorse enter Troy inside a wooden horse.]]
* [[TheRimeOfTheAncientMariner The Mariner]] shoots the Albatross, and everyone in the ship dies but him.
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[[folder: Theatre]]
* ''AStreetcarNamedDesire'': Stanley rapes Blanche, she is institutionalized by her sister who either doesn't believe her or chooses not to, and announces that she has always depended upon the kindness of strangers.
* The endings to many of {{Shakespeare}}'s plays are well known. Most don't have an actual TwistEnding, but ''{{Macbeth}}'' comes [[NoManOfWomanBorn pretty close]]. The ending, by the way, is that [=MacDuff=] is a C-section baby, and can therefore kill [=MacBeth=].
** The ending of ''Titus Andronicus'' fits the "twist" ending well: Titus bakes the guys who raped his daughter into a pie, and [[IAmAHumanitarian feeds it to their mother and stepfather.]]
*** This was the inspiration for the ''SouthPark'' episode "Scott Tenorman Must Die".
** ''KingLear'' had a twist ending, at least at the time it was released. Theatre-goers of that time would have been extremely familiar with the story of King Lear, which, until Shakespeare, always ended with Lear being restored to his throne and ruling well until dying of old age.
*** In the original Danish legend of ''Amleth'', he kills his wicked uncle, becomes king, and lives happily ever after. Not so much in Shakespeare's [[{{Hamlet}} version]], where, as the lyrics to [[TheBandWagon "That's Entertainment"]] say, [[KillEmAll "ev'ryone ends in mince meat."]]
**** In fact, people were so used to the traditional ending that Nahum Tate changed it, and had Cordelia and Lear living happily ever after. Shakespeare's ending wasn't commonly used until the middle of the 19th century.
** [[RomeoAndJuliet Romeo]] drinks some poison and Juliet stabs herself because, in an odd twist of fate, they both think the other one is dead. Not really a twist if they tell you that in a monologue before the first act begins.
*** Pretty much the same thing occurs in ''Antony and Cleopatra''.
*** And ''WestSideStory''.
*** [[http://www.amazon.com/Romeo-Juliet-William-Shakespeare/dp/0061965499/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272506122&sr=8-16 One of the editions of the play on Amazon has a summary]]: "With family and fate determined to keep them apart, will Romeo and Juliet find a way to be together?" [[YouShouldKnowThisAlready Why bother with this question? Who doesn't know the ending already?]]
** {{Othello}} strangles Desdemona to death, then finds out she was innocent and kills himself.
* ''LaBoheme'': Mimi dies.
** ''{{Rent}}'': Mimi dies. Then gets better.
* ''WaitingForGodot'': Godot never shows up.
** ''Happy Days''. You think being buried up to your waist in sand is bad? How about being buried up to your neck?
* ''WaitingForLefty'': Lefty never shows up either, mostly because he's been shot. The cabbies strike.
* ''OedipusRex''. Oedipus married his mother. Not much of a twist considering the myth was well known before it was made into a play.
** Not being a twist is intentional. Many Classical Greek plays were written with the knowledge that their audience already knew how the events were going to unfold. {{Dramatic Irony}} is the name of the game.
* In ''Oedipus at Colonus,'' the titular character reveals that his children were the product of incest. For modern audiences this is how the myth is assumed to go, but it is presumed that an earlier version of the myth would have some or none of the children born of incest, instead the product of a polygamous marriage.
** Similarly, {{Euripides}}' version of ''{{Medea}}''. In all versions of the Medea myth, her children die but most versions have it happen by accident or bring the children back alive at the end of the story (usually because of mistaken identity). Ancient Greek audiences would have been shocked at Euripides' ending, where Medea is the willful murderess of her own sons we know today.
*** On top of that, Medea was also a shocker for Ancient Greek audiences because Euripides was one of the first Greek playwrights to show death onstage! Previously, a death would only be reported by a messenger. Medea killing her children mid-monologue would have been unheard of.
** To a lesser extent, {{Aeschylus}}' ''Agamemnon'' - in the conventional myth, the titular character is murdered by Aegisthus, with Clytemnestra as his accomplice. Clytemnestra being the sole murderer would have been a surprise to a Greek audience (though it's obvious fairly early on).
*** The BlindGuardian song "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYFFivxw56A Under The Ice]]" is about Clytemnestra's murder of Agamemnon (and his wife Cassandra - yes, ''that'' [[CassandraTruth Cassandra]].) The lyrics come from Clytemnestra's POV, and she never speaks in the third person, so you kind of have to know about the background of the story to know what's going on. Agamemnon is only referred to as the "King of Terror", but Cassandra ''is'' referred to by name - about once or twice, at the very beginning of the song (implying that [[DeadlyEuphemism she's already dead]] when the song starts, which means that Clytemnestra is sadistically informing Agamemnon of the fact before she kills him.) I'm not sure if this is a true "ItWasHisSled", but it's almost close enough to fit.
* JM Synge's ''Riders to the Sea'': Bartley drowns. Everyone knows this from Maurya's famous monologue:
-->They're all gone now, and there isn't anything more the sea can do to me.... I'll have no call now to be up crying and praying when the wind breaks from the south, and you can hear the surf is in the east, and the surf is in the west, making a great stir with the two noises, and they hitting one on the other. I'll have no call now to be going down and getting Holy Water in the dark nights after Samhain, and I won't care what way the sea is when the other women will be keening.
* ''Hedda Gabler'' shoots herself.
** Nora leaves her husband in ''The Doll's House'', slamming the door behind her.
* The ''Three Sisters'' never get to Moscow. Also, Baron Tuzenbach dies.
* ''The Ghost Sonata'': Nothing gets better.
* ''Woyzeck'' stabs Marie to death, and then ambiguously drowns himself while trying to dispose of the knife.
* ''[[LongDaysJourneyIntoNight Long Day's Journey into Night]]'': Edmund has tuberculosis, and wishes he were a seal or a fish.
* ''DeathOfASalesman''. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Come on.]]
** Some theatre-goers thought [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic it was metaphorical]] at the time
* ''{{Manfred}}'', being the blatant AuthorAvatar that he is, has to WalkTheEarth as penance for BrotherSisterIncest.
* ''ThePiratesOfPenzance'' are [[DeusExMachina all noblemen who have gone wrong]], and Frederick was born on February 29th.
** The Captain of the ''HMSPinafore'' and Ralph Rackstraw were switched at birth.
** In ''TheYeomenOfTheGuard''... there is no DeusExMachina, and [[DownerEnding everyone ends up married to the wrong person]].
* ''WhosAfraidOfVirginiaWoolf'': George and Martha's son doesn't exist.
* ''DerRingDesNibelungen'': Every major character dies. (If you're the rare person who [[YouShouldKnowThisAlready doesn't know this coming in]], Erda's warning at the end of the first opera, ''Das Rheingold'', makes it abundantly clear.)
* ''TheMagicFlute'': The Queen of the Night is actually the ''villain'' ([[AlternateCharacterInterpretation at least in traditional stagings]]).
* ''MadameButterfly'': Pinkerton abandons Butterfly in the end, resulting in her suicide.
* ''PeterGrimes'': Peter drowns himself, after being driven out by TorchesAndPitchforks.
* The Czech genius [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jára_Cimrman Jára Cimrman]] doesn't really exist. (But playing along with the joke of his actual existence is very much a part of the phenomenon.)
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[[folder: Video Games]]
* ''SuperMarioBros'': Beat the first world. Discover that the princess is in another castle. Repeat for six more worlds. Then get the princess.
* ''SoulNomad'': Has a hidden dark side story called the demon path. Revya is easily the most evil VillainProtagonist in all of videogames.
* ''FinalFantasyI'': Garland is actually Chaos, the BigBad, and shall [[MemeticMutation knock you all down]]. This one was spoiled by ''[=~Dissidia: Final Fantasy~=]'' and is even a plot point.
* ''FinalFantasyII'': The Emperor isn't quite as dead as you'd think...
* ''FinalFantasyIV'': Cecil becomes a paladin, and Golbez is his brother who's being mind controlled by the real BigBad, Zemus. Cecil and Golbez are both moon people. Practically everyone in the game [[StandardHeroReward becomes royalty]], except for Kain, who got the shaft as usual.
* ''FinalFantasyV'': Exdeath is actually a giant tree. Not even ''Dissidia'' avoids making fun of this one.
* ''FinalFantasyVI'': Kefka is the real BigBad, and the FloatingContinent [[DiscOneFinalDungeon is not the final dungeon.]]
** The last one was spoiled for people before they ever played it when it was new, considering there was a map of the World of Ruin included with the game.
* ''FinalFantasyVII'': Aerith [[PlotlineDeath dies]] in the ending of the first disc. [[FinalDeath Permanently]], despite [[UrbanLegendOfZelda rumors to the contrary]].
** Of course, there ''is'' a way to keep her alive... with a GameShark.
** Zidane and Kuja are [[ArtificialHuman not actually human]] although one wouldn't think so [[CaptainObvious with their tails]].
* ''FinalFantasyX'': Yuna does NOT die. Tidus is a dream construct of the Fayth and Auron died ten years ago trying to defy Yu Yevon.
** And Sin is Jecht, Tidus' dear ol' dad.
** [[FinalFantasyX2 Tidus survives and returns to Yuna.]]
* Would you kindly not spoil the twist to ''BioShock''?
** "A man chooses, a slave obeys."
* ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'': [[TomatoInTheMirror The player character is]] [[BigBad Darth Revan]].
** KOTOR2: Kreia is the BigBad.
* ''TheLegendOfZelda: OcarinaOfTime'': Sheik is Zelda [[GenderBender in disguise]]. This is so out that ''SuperSmashBros'' series has the Zelda-Sheik transformation as a special move.
** Midway through the game you travel seven years into the future.
** Oh, and the tomboy-pirate from ''TheWindWaker'', wearing the same bandages around her wrist as Sheik and having the same tan? Yeah, she's a Princess Zelda too. Even though the mentioned hints weren't really obvious to recognize on first glance, a visit on this page, DeviantArt or YouTube will certainly make you recognize them. ''After'' spoiling the whole twist to you. And if that's not enough, her Trophy in SuperSmashBros and the intro of ''PhantomHourglass'' completly ruin it.
** And yet the same into of the latter game tries to keep the identity of Wind Waker's BigBad a secret, despite it being revealed about 20 minutes into the game. Any the games that are HijackedByGanon are ripe for this trope, though.
** The Great Sea featured in ''The Wind Waker'' is actually a flooded Hyrule.
* Solid Snake's commanding officer, Big Boss, is secretly the enemy commander in the first ''Game/MetalGear''.
** In ''MetalGearSolid'', Solid Snake and Liquid Snake (as well as Solidus) are actually clones of Big Boss.
** The Cyborg Ninja is actually Gray Fox BackFromTheDead.
** The player only controls Snake for the prologue portion of ''MetalGearSolid2'' and spends the remainder of the game as Raiden.
* ''ResidentEvil'': Wesker is the big bad in the first game and gets killed by a tyrant. And HeGetsBetter.
* ''{{Metroid}}'': SamusIsAGirl.
** A hot one, at that.
* Not for the game being notable, but for the twist being so retarded, ''BionicCommando'' and its "Your arm is your wife" has achieved major notoriety.
** Gamesradar.com, after using it as a recurring gag on their podcast, now sells "THE ARM IS HIS WIFE!" t-shirts. Really.
* ''{{Castlevania}}: Aria of Sorrow'': Soma Cruz is the reincarnation of {{Dracula}}. The direct sequel, ''Dawn of Sorrow'', states this pretty early on.) Also, the mysterious "J" is actually Julius Belmont, making him a descendant of the clan known for going against Dracula over the years. (''Dawn of Sorrow'' states this as well.) Oddly, the ''Aria'' reveal that ''wasn't'' explicitly stated until ''Dawn'' was the first one players figured out, thanks to a particularly unsubtle hint from Yoko. Genya Arikado is Alucard.
** Arikado...Alucard...is this really supposed to be a secret from the ''player,'' or is it meant to be [[DramaticIrony obvious to the player but not to the characters]]?
*** Probably obvious to Japanese players. American players might not guess that it's a corruption of the romanization of the way a certain SdrawkcabName is pronounced in a different language.
* There are bigger threats than the Covenant in ''{{Halo}}'', as the demos and publicity carefully did ''not'' tell you.
* ''[=~Baldur's Gate~=]'': You're one of the children of the dead god of Murder, as are [[CainAndAbel most of the antagonists]]. When the ''creators'' declare 'ItWasHisSled' (by marketing the series as "The Bhaalspawn Saga") you know the twist is dead.
* ''KingdomHeartsII'': Roxas is Sora's nobody. C'mon, with [[SignificantAnagram that name]] and appearance, who else could he be?
** Regardless of whenever or not you've heard it before, it's most likely you'll just guess it quite early in the game's story. It's '''''that''''' obvious.
*** ''KingdomHearts:358/2Days'' flat out tells you in the first few cutscenes of the game.
*** Xehanort is ALWAYS the bad guy. [[HijackedByGanon He's like the series' Ganon.]]
* Feena and Lea are the twin goddeses of {{Ys}}
* [[TalesOfDestiny Leon]] is going to betray the party and dies with Chaltier. And by the way, [[TalesOfSymphonia Kratos]] is Lloyd's father.
* In ''{{Pokemon Red and Blue}}'', your rival is the Champion and you have to defeat him in order to beat the game. As if you didn't see it coming anyway.
** And the hidden Pokemon Mew is mentioned in the storyline.
** Another first-generation one is the fact that Giovanni is the Viridian City Gym Leader. This was supposed to be a surprise in the game, but everyone knew about it beforehand.
** In [[PokemonGoldAndSilver Gold and Silver]], you have to fight Red. Also, by the time Nintendo "revealed" [[OlympusMons Arceus']] existence, everyone already knew about it.
** The champions are always this. Blue, Lance, Wallace, Steven, and Cynthia. You always meet them in the story and interact with them however it isn't until TheReveal that you learn they're the champion.
** Silver's father is Giovanni.
* ''Game/MegaMan 3'': Break Man is Proto Man, and Mega Man's brother. Even the ''Anniversary Collection'' doesn't pretend this is a surprise. He's your Navi for cryin' out loud!
** ''MegaManX'': Zero is the greatest creation of Dr. Wily, and the one who's ''supposed'' to destroy the world.
** ''MegaManZero 4'': Zero dies (again) at the end of the series, in an epic HeroicSacrifice. It '''is''' practically CommonKnowledge, thanks to the fact that, to this day, arguments are still strong on whether or not he survived.
* [[{{Portal}} The cake is a lie.]] OrIsIt? Also, you kill the Cube.
** Don't forget that GLaDOS is Still Alive.
* Ingram Plisken of ''SuperRobotWars'' pulls a FaceHeelTurn and was always working for the [[HumanAliens Aerogaters]].
** What's surprising was that some players who played ''SuperRobotWarsAlpha'' hoped Ingram in ''SuperRobotWarsOriginalGeneration'' wouldn't pull it, due to numerous differences between ''Alpha'' and ''Original Generation'' {{continuity}}.
** [[SuperRobotWarsCompact2 Einst Alfimi]] is Excellen Browning's clone. By the time ''Original Generation 2'' incorporated ''[[VideoGameRemake Impact's]]'' story, it was common knowledge.
*** Do note that what ''still'' should be considered a spoiler for ''Original Generation'' is [[spoiler:[[SuperRobotWarsAdvance Lemon Browning]] being Excellen's AlternatveUniverse counterpart]].
* ''{{FEAR}}'': Alma is your mother.
* ''{{Doom}}'': the lost Deimos base is suspended above Hell itself.
** [[AndThenJohnWasAZombie John is the demons.]]
* ''{{Tsukihime}}'': Shiki was adopted and the ''real'' Tohno SHIKI is the BigBad. ([[RoadCone Most of the time, anyway.]])
** Also, Kohaku is really a StepfordSmiler who poisons Shiki (and others) throughout the story.
* ''FateStayNight'': Archer is a FutureBadass Shirou Emiya, Rin and Sakura are sisters since Tokiomi gave Sakura up to Zouken in ''FateZero'', Saber's true identity is a {{Gender flip}}ped KingArthur, Sakura goes batshit in Heaven's Feel, and Ilya is technically Shirou's sister, being the offspring of Kiritsugu and Irisviel von Einzbern.
* [[ArtOfFighting King]], [[{{Bifauxnen}} whose gender]] is supposedly no longer a secret to anyone in the sequel. By the time of ''TheKingOfFighters'', it's nearly impossible to mistake her for a man.
** The identity of the final boss in the original ''ArtOfFighting'', Mr. Karate, would count as well, if it weren't for the fact that his identity wasn't reveal anyway until the sequel, where the intro tells the player outright that Mr. Karate is Takuma Sakazaki, Ryo's father.
* [[WorldOfWarcraft Saurfang the Younger dies at Wrathgate,]] [[IGotBetter but then comes back as a raid boss.]]
** Bolvar Fordragon is the new Lich King.
* ''{{Mother 3}}'': [[TearJerker Your mother dies.]] [[CompleteMonster Porky]] [[DragonAscendant is the]] BigBad. [[EvilTwin Claus is the Masked Boy,]] [[MoreThanMindControl but he's not really that bad.]]
** This one actually ''should'' still be a spoiler, considering that [[NoExportForYou it was never released outside of Japan]], but since Lucas is a playable character in SuperSmashBrosBrawl, all of the above points [[YouShouldKnowThisAlready were spoiled in the trophy descriptions.]] [[SarcasmMode Thanks a lot, Nintendo.]]
* Very oddly inverted with the ''{{BlazBlue}}'' series: Things that are mentioned almost casually in the dialogue, or happen as early as ten minutes into the game's story mode are often marked as spoilers on websites for some reason.
** Played straight with Hazama being an epic level troll.
* ''PhantasyStarII'': The Earthlings are the [[TheChessmaster Chessmasters]] behind the entire plot. Palma is destroyed. The BolivianArmyEnding.
* DeusEx: UNATCO is just a front for Majestic 12.
* DeusExInvisibleWar: World Trade Organization and The Order are two departments of one organization and their animosity is fake.
* ''[[{{STALKER}} S.T.A.L.K.E.R.]]'': Wish Granter is a trap for the gullible and the greedy. The Zone is an experiment.
* VampireTheMasqueradeBloodlines: The Ancaran Sarcophagus is just an ordinary item. The cab driver is Caine.
* ''{{Persona 4}}'': [[SamusIsAGirl Naoto is a girl.]]
* ''{{Silent Hill}}'': Cheryl is Alessa, Alessa is Heather.
** In Silent Hill 2, James loved Mary a little bit too much.
** You find out shortly into Silent Hill 3 that Heather is Harry's daughter. Oh and that he's dead.
* Starkiller dies at the end of ''TheForceUnleashed''. [[DoomedByCanon Wasn't like it was too hard to guess.]]
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[[folder:Webcomics]]
* ''JumpLeads'': The central premise of two characters travelling through parallel universes unable to return home is so integral to the comic's story that it's easy to forget that much of the [[http://www.jump-leads.com/comic/1 first issue]] is about the two trainees embarking on their first field exercise, with their inter-dimensional predicament being something of a plot twist.
* ''PvP'': Skull's cat Scratch (or Scratch Fury, Destroyer of Worlds) is super-intelligent. Shocking, I know.
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[[folder: Western Animation]]
* [[TheSimpsons Maggie shot Mr. Burns]]
* ''FamilyGuy''. Stewie doesn't kill Lois; it was just a simulation.
** This trope was parodied in an early episode. In a flashback, Peter had recorded over a VHS copy of Citizen Kane saying, "[[ItWasHisSled It was his sled.]] ... There. I saved you two, long, boobless, hours."
* [[SouthPark Cartman made Scott Tenorman eat his parents]]
** ''FamilyGuy'' is written by manatees.
** Cartman's father is not his mother but Scott Tenorman's father.
* [[TransformersAnimated Longarm is Shockwave.]]
** [[RoboticReveal Sari is a cyborg,]] [[LivingShip the ship is Omega Supreme.]]
** The planet that the ''BeastWars'' take place on is actually prehistoric Earth.
** [[TransformersTheMovie Optimus]] [[TransformersGenerationOne Prime]] [[BeastWars dies]] [[TransformersArmada and]] [[TransformersAnimated comes]] [[TransformersFilmSeries back.]]
* [[LooneyTunes Elmer strikes Bugs Bunny down with lightning in ''What's Opera Doc?'']]
** In the final shot, Bugs--lying dead in Elmer's arms--looks up for a moment and says, "What did you expect in an opera, a '''happy''' ending?" then falls back into his death pose.
** BugsBunny is the off-screen animator tormenting Daffy in "DuckAmuck."
* [[BatmanBeyond Terry]] [[BatmanBeyond McGinnis]] [[BatmanBeyond is Bruce Wayne's biological son.]]
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[[folder: Religion]]
* [[TheBible Jesus]] dies.
** [[IGotBetter He Gets Better]].
*** [[AscendedToAHigherPlaneOfExistence Then goes away.]]
**** [[FisherKing And he will return and recreate the world.]]
**** [[WordOfGod Word o]][[IncrediblyLamePun f God]] on this one hasn't really settled the debate; [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation there are alternate interpretations]]. One is favored by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam about a billion fans]] world wide, and other vocal [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judiasm fans]] of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism series think that it's all]] FanWank. Even among the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity target]] audience there is considerable debate and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholicism a]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainline_Protestant very]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism wide]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican variety]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Church of]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarian competing]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations factions]].
* Satan loses in the end.
* Judas betrays Jesus.
* The Red Sea gets parted.
* [[NorseMythology Ragnarok is inevitable]]. All the major gods will die. However, Midgard will be rebuilt from the ashes.
* "Buddha" dies of food poisoning.
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[[folder: Meta]]
* This page spoils twists.
** Justified for the most part, except for ''CitizenKane''
** And averted with ''TheMousetrap''.
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[[folder: Real Life]]
* Everyone dies (eventually).
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!The Removed ''StopHavingFunGuys'' Examples:

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[[folder:Meta]]
* [[http://xkcd.com/359/ This xkcd strip]] is the TropeNamer.
* Destructoid's [[http://www.destructoid.com/ten-golden-rules-of-online-gaming-64474.phtml Ten Golden Rules of Online Gaming]] is a satirical how-to guide on becoming the stereotypical online gamer, including many elements of the [=SHFG=] and/or {{Scrub}} mentality.
* Several years back, a former tournament-level player called David Sirlin, who's now working for {{Capcom}}, wrote an article called "[[http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html Playing To Win]]," which contrasted {{scrub}}s and {{tournament play}}ers with little middle ground. The article made some good points, but the tone made it the poster-child of {{Stop Having Fun Guys}} for years. More recently, he followed it up with [[http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-3-not-playing-to-win.html Not Playing To Win]], a limited defense of casual play.
* Expect to receive grief for even ''lagging'' in online video games. How ''dare'' you not pay for the most expensive internet connection, even if it isn't available where you live, and how ''dare'' you be using a wireless network that's prone to going on the fritz or randomly burping? There is ''no'' excuse for not having the best internet out there!
* Do you play on anything that isn't part of the glorious PC Master Race? Well, you're wrong, and a terrible person for having fun that way.
* If you're a PC gamer, do you dare to play any game with a controller instead of a keyboard and mouse? You may as well have just raped a baby.
* Again, PC ''users''...did you buy a pre-built PC? Do yourself a favour...'''DON'T. EVER. SAY. IT''. Admitting it is like saying you like to poison babies with LSD.
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[[folder:Fighting Games]]

* The biggest, and perhaps most [[MemeticMutation goofy]] of all fighting games' [=SHFG=] goes to the ''entire'' SuperSmashBros series. Despite all the ways that this game can be played on both the goofball mess fests and serious 1 on 1 duels, a lot of the serious players seem to heavily focus on the Tournament Level, which focuses on not using items and playing very static stages. While there is nothing wrong with this style of play, it isn't how everyone likes to play, per se. None the less, a quick stop to any Smash Forum [[InternetBackdraft and asking up the idea of "how do you play" is not really a good idea...]] This is lovingly [[http://legendaryfrog.deviantart.com/art/Hardcorez-75608753 drawn out in this LegendaryFrog comic]]. The Tournament scene is arguably more well known for its Hatedom than anything else. Despite this, it's hard to find Brawl games that ''do'' allow items and break the AbridgedArenaArray.
* In ''StreetFighterII'' series, you'll have those who sneer at players who chose RyuAndKen, because Akuma (who is banned in most tournaments) is "[[GameBreaker So much better]]."
* Inverted by players who prefer "old" Sagat ([[CharacterTiers also extremely good]]) over Akuma, since Akuma is banned in tournaments -- and that means that many people don't find it "useful" to practice [[SeriousBusiness against a character you aren't going to play against in tournaments anyways.]]
* ''GuiltyGear'' fans will often scoff at you for not knowing basic blockstrings and combos, even though many of what they term "basic" require a fair amount of practice (ideally on a home system) to get down pat.
* You're a {{scrub}} if your Ranked Match team in ''[[CapcomVsWhatever Marvel vs. Capcom 2]]'' consists of anything but [[GameBreaker Captain Commando, Psylocke, Cyclops, Cable, Magneto, Storm, or Sentinel]]. Now that the game has been released for [[XboxThreeSixty Xbox Live]], don't you dare complain about seeing the same five or six characters over and over.
* ''{{MUGEN}}'' has a LOT of these guys running around. Due to just how much ground the MUGEN fanbase covers, you are bound to find every type of this imaginable. For every helpful fellow willing to show you the ropes and help you learn how the engine works, you have a hundred angry vets calling you a noob. For every kind soul that offers to guide you to better versions of the characters you like, there are a ton of snarky folks yelling at you for not knowing better. Then there's the fact that nearly every franchise with characters available in the engine has solid fan base and hate bases, so you can expect a lot of controversy in that regard. Finally and probably most aggravatingly, there is the elitist fighting game fanboy that will laugh at you and despise you if you show so much as a passing interest in Mugen. Because clearly enjoying a fighting game engine means you know nothing about fighting games, right?
* The first requested faq on any ''SmackdownVsRaw'' game? "I want a CAW of last year's JohnCena, and 2009's Cena, and 2008's Cena, one with a hat, one without a hat, one with a singlet..." The second requested faq however is "lol what are all the unblockable Gamebreaker moves? I go tke my 98 level CAW to pwn all u noobs cause i'm so l33t lol."
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[[folder:Role Playing Games]]
* ''MassEffect'' has a notorious amount of SHFG. Didn't kill the Rachni queen without metagaming? You're retarded. Didn't keep the Collector base? You deserve to die. Saved the Council? Get off the forum!
** Also, if you don't play on the hardest setting "[[HarderThanHard Insanity]]", then as a rule, you're no better than a {{scrub}}, because according to the BioWare forums, Insanity is apparently "the difficulty the game was meant to be played on."
** Usually inverted on the popular Mass Effect threads on [[ImageBoard 4chan's]] [[VideoGames /v/]] board., though with [[NotSoDifferent similar responses.]] Kill the [[ObstructiveBureaucrat Council?]] What are you doing!? Save the Collector base? You're gonna doom the galaxy! [[ShippingWars Romance]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Tali?]] Bad move! Kill off [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Wrex]] [[EnsembleDarkhorse and]] [[WarriorPoet Grunt]]? Get out right now.
* ''PennyArcade'' has the story of how Gabe [[http://www.penny-arcade.com/2007/07/23/pokemon/ took the mickey out of]] a larval-stage SHFG. Also [[http://www.penny-arcade.com/2007/07/23/awesome/ a follow-up post]] showing why if you are a parent of a young child, you should never, ever let him or her attend an officially sanctioned tournament.
** It also seems that the kids made him recognise the start of potentially similar traits:
-->It was actually really cool to see how much these kids love ''Pokemon''. I've been so into it recently that I think I'd forgotten I should be having fun. With my pages of hand written math and charts of carefully plotted out EV training regiments I actually felt sort of dirty. These little kids were showing me teams comprised not of statistically optimal Pokemon but of their favorites.
* Go to the general board of any ''[[{{Pokemon}} Pokémon]]'' game in GameFaqs, and ask for advice on which moves you should teach to your freshly caught favourite. There will always be someone who will (a) tell you that this pokémon is not suited for competitive use, and point towards better pokémon who outdoes yours in every possible aspect, (b) variation of the first, suggesting an ineffective moveset because your pokémon does not deserve the good [=TMs=], or (c) copy-paste a Smogon moveset, even if it involves chainbreeding.
*** Smogon movesets in particular are rather useless for normal play - the average Smogon moveset requires not only chainbreeding, but also pulling the Pokemon up to 100, EV and IV training every stat from the bottom, and using one-use, hard-to-find items. Also notably, most tiers in the game are based on the rest of the {{metagame}}, and only one Gym Leader in any game (Roark's Geodude and Onix in D/P/P, which he puts aside for the rematch) uses [[GameBreaker Stealth Rock.]] At this point, they aren't even for cartridge play. A lot of them involve giving the pokemon in question a specific Hidden power type, which is impossible in the actual games. They're all really only meant for Shoddy Battle, Smogon's Gen IV battle sim. This in turn means that they totally ignore the idea that some players don't do competitive battles or like to keep things simple.
** It isn't just GameFaqs. Pretty much anywhere the ''{{Pokemon}}'' fandom hangs out you will find REALLY obnoxious {{Stop Having Fun Guys}}. There may be more than even [[SuperSmashBros Smash Bros.]] Wi-fi and {{YouTube}} videos are dominated by them, so much that you can't find a casual battle anywhere unless you play with friends. And the worst of all is Smogon. Whatever you do, don't go to Smogon if you're a casual player.
** In fact, pretty much the entire competitive ''Pokémon'' community is the epitome of this trope. If youíre one of the poor fools who ''dares'' to raise your Pokémon without [[strike:horribly and cruelly abusing/biologically mutating]] EV Training them, you are going to be called a {{Scrub}} and be publicly humiliated. And if you even think about ''thinking about'' mentioning that itís actually a physical possibility to play the game without regard to the endless amounts of soulless numbers and statistics, prepare to be mercilessly flamed until absolutely nothing is left of you.
** Heck, just having the "wrong" ''moveset'' can cause the StopHavingFunGuys to look down upon you. And to put it further, having the wrong nature, stats, and whatnot is also frowned upon.
*** Speaking of "correct" teams and moves: one war story has the teller losing five widely-used competitive Pokemon before sweeping with one normally ranked in the second-lowest tier, to the complete surprise of both players. The hilarity is best appreciated in [[http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=437618 the original thread]] (complete with chat-log).
** Do ''not'' mention you use "Uber" Pokemon. At all. Even if you're just a casual player (IE: Not very competitive) the more hardcore gamers will accuse you of using nothing more than "{{Game Breaker}}s" or "Relying too much on over-powered Pokemon to win battles". Heck, just having an "Uber" on your team and not even ''using'' it counts.
** [[TwoWordsObviousTrope Two words: Action Replay]]. Hardcore Pokemon gamers will frown upon those who use "cheat codes" to obtain certain Pokemon (Mainly Event Pokemon), even though it is technically legal to do so.
*** YourMileageMayVary on this - plenty of SeriousBusiness players are well aware Pokemon in-game isn't meant to be taken seriously, and are happy to let people mess around. [[WallBanger Scrubs playing with their favourite-but-mostly-useless Pokemon on a competitive simulator, however,]] tend to draw [[NerdRage unwanted attention]].
* You're not allowed to run from a battle in a [[{{JRPG}} JRPG]]. Ever. It doesn't matter whether the enemy's kicking your ass hard and it's been hours since you used a save point, you're in a real-life hurry to get to a save point, or the enemy is so weak that there's no point in fighting it for what little spoils you'll gain. If you run from battle, you are a complete [=RPG=] {{Scrub}}.
** God know how you're supposed to advance in ''{{Suikoden}} 2'' then: one of the character recruitments 'requires' a certain amount of battle retreats. SHFG's tend not to be big on logic or exemptions.
* Apparently, you're supposed to enjoy LevelGrinding as well. If you don't, then you just don't know how to have fun in an RPG.
** Averted/Inverted somewhat in ''FinalFantasyVIII''- Level grinding makes the game excessively harder, [[spoiler: the enemies scale with you.]]
*** And then played straight, as actually playing the game with the Experts of ''FFVIII'' will give you a very bizarre SolveTheSoupCans kind of logic in how to "properly" play the game. Said way tends to involve either playing Card Games or trying to Card Them All! Which actually is even LONGER and MORE complicated then normal Level Grinding.
* There is only one [[PlayerParty party]] setup worth using. Every other combination of characters is absolutely worthless. Unless you specify otherwise, everyone will always assume you're using that party.
** Very true in the ''FinalFantasyTactics'' series. Using a Gadgeteer/Tinker? You're an idiot for using a "garbage" class. No matter how much you try to defend your decisions on what classes you use and how you use them, the "expert" players will just lecture you on how the other classes are so much better than what you use, despite the fact that Advance and A2 are pretty easy to beat with almost any class set up you use.
* At the other extreme there's a set of {{Scrubs}} who will sneer at anyone who's crappy enough to "need" all the best stuff to win, in effect declaring [[SelfImposedChallenge Self Imposed Challenges]] the only valid way to play. Apparently if you're not playing through the game as a level 1 solo JokeCharacter without equipment you suck and have no business playing it.
* On that note, do not mention Break HP Limit to any ''FinalFantasyX''. Ever. Otherwise, be prepared for a paragraph of text on how stupid you are for even thinking of using it, and another paragraph on how you're SUPPOSED to be fighting "Insert Bonus Boss Here". Like the ''FFVIII'' example, it tends to be a SolveTheSoupCans! Logic that probably involves just as much work to find all the parts that you need. Figures.
* A perfect example of what happens when you mix this with FanDumb is shown [[http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=10983 here]]. Beware the [[{{Narm}} "Tyranny of Fun"]]!
* Do you want to have fun playing [[{{RPG}} RPGs]]? [[http://lotfp.blogspot.com/2008/06/i-hate-fun.html James Raggi]] considers you inferior. "Inferior" is perhaps too nice a word; "the scum of the earth" is a more accurate way of putting it. He even put up an followup to the article insulting anybody who was linked to it from this wiki.
* Try playing ''{{Fallout}} 3'' without using VATS much, or by actually playing as a good guy. Prepare to have people yelling your head off.
** Even if it's not a competitive game, don't you dare admit to using certain perks, like the ones that increase your experience gain or reveal all the map locations, because you're a {{noob}} who needs to level up faster to play the game to win.
*** Actually, don't even bother admitting to playing or liking ''Fallout 3'' even if it's the ever buggy PC version. There are many a SHFG who whines endlessly about their dislike for the game and will not allow you to enjoy it on those merits.
* When faced with a party of {{Munchkin}}s, a game of ''DungeonsAndDragons'' can turn into this very quickly. Woe to you if you happen to have a character who is not [[MinMaxing min-maxed]] up the arse. Even if you want to make a character who fulfils a role that the party needs, you're still a worthless maggot because you aren't multiclassing/are multiclassing/aren't using a [[GameBreaker cleric or druid]].
** It can be a real problem in some editions if characters are at different levels of [[MinMaxing min/maxing]]: the game balance can be shattered. A character min/maxed by a pro and a character made by a person new to the game can have such a gap in power and survivability that anything that would be a challenge for the min/maxed character is likely to destroy the new person's character in one round. A certain amount of balance must be struck in this case where the DM either reigns in the min/maxed character or helps the new player min/max their character somewhat, or a combination thereof. What makes the StopHavingFunGuy is he will be unwilling to either tone down his character or help the other player beef up his, instead deciding to berate and insist that his character is not the problem at all and expect everyone to play his way.
*** ''{{Exalted}}'' has a similar problem. Unless all the [=PCs=] put some effort into being combat-capable, anything that can even remotely challenge the combat-monsters will shred the non-combatants before they can blink.
* There was a time in ''AdventureQuest'''s history (before a lot of the new quests were released with scaled level versions) when they were all one difficulty. Then ''Fire War'' was released, a low-to-medium level quest against the fire mage Drakkonan. This was immediately followed by a string of level 80+ content. When people complained that they couldn't do any of the new content they were told in no uncertain terms that low-level players had been given one special event and that was enough. Some particularly {{egregious}} arguments insinuated that even giving low-level players one event amounted to insufferable persecution of hardcore fans.
* ''{{Disgaea2}}''. Do you use monster classes for anything other that Magichange? You are noob, humanoids are way better. The best class is [[strike:Samurai]] MagicKnight. And God help you if you teach healer any attack magic.
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[[folder:Rhythm Games]]
* Honorable Mention goes to the various "real musicians" who tell players of games like ''GuitarHero'' and ''Rock Band'' that they should stop playing video games and learn a real instrument, ignoring the fact there are no ''ModernWarfare'' fans killing passengers at airports like the infamous ''No Russian'' level, or otherwise stop playing video games and join the real CIA. Most of the time, however, these people fail to realize that these games do not just emulate playing an instrument, but the entire rock star lifestyle, which would normally be extremely improbable to obtain in real life regardless of how well one can play a real guitar.
** Harmonix have responded to these complaints by adding the more realistic Pro Mode for ''RockBand 3'', in which drummers get to use additional cymbals, keyboardists get to use the entire two-octave keyboard at once, and most anticipated of all, guitarrists can use a new guitar controller with six strings and over a hundred buttons on its neck to more accurately simulate guitar playing, with a proper, fully-functional six-string controller on its way. This, in turn, has bred a new kind of Stop Having Fun Guy, who insists that no matter how good a guitarrist this game may make you, you're still a {{scrub}} for learning to play through a video game instead of practicing by yourself.
** Some ''actual musicians in bands'' have tried rhythm games and failed, simply because the controllers are different than actual guitars or drums, for a variety of reasons[[hottip:* :For example, the game might represent a guitar arpeggio by having the player move up and down the neck, while a "real" guitarist would hold one chord the whole time and pluck each string in sequence. Also, an experienced musician playing a familiar song [[DamnYouMuscleMemory must fight his or her own muscle memory]], similar to being HollywoodToneDeaf. In addition, lots of notes are generally left out when playing on lower difficulties, so it's also possible to fail just by playing null notes]]. One such example appears in ''GeneSimmonsFamilyJewels'', where KISS tries to play ''Detroit Rock City'' on ''Rock Band 2'', but fails after only a few seconds. Such encounters often leads the game's fans [[FanDumb to accuse the musicians of not being able to play their instruments.]]
** Actually there are people wondering why anyone can have fun playing FPS and/or fantasy action games if the only proper way to have fun of shooting and fighting is, respectively, training at the shooting range/IPSC course or joining local medieval reenactment group.
** [[UnfortunateImplications One wonders if, for games like]] ''CommandAndConquer'', ''MedalOfHonor'' and the like, [[IfYoureSoEvilEatThisKitten Al Qaeda feel the same]].
* You're not allowed to play ''pop'n music'' with the Beat-Pop modifier. After all, if you want gray and blue notes so badly, why not just play ''{{beatmania}} IIDX''?
* ''DanceDanceRevolution'' (along with its counterparts PumpItUp and InTheGroove) have similar issues throughout:
** When it comes to the safety bar, the players can be easily separated into two types: those who support their weight with it [[ChallengeGamer to achieve the highest score]], and those who [[SelfImposedChallenge adamantly refuse to do so]] because they think [[{{Scrub}} it's more fun that way]]. Both groups are equally vocal and equally annoying. Some in the anti-bar camp will heckle or even outright smack the hand of any player whom they see reaching for the bar. Even if the player is trying to beat [[ThatOneBoss That One Song]] or play [[HarderThanHard Oni Mode]] (where you have to play 5+ songs in a row without breaks, and missing 4 steps out of 300+ on any one song will fail you and end your game on the spot) or Survival Mode (instead of missing 4 notes max, it becomes a TimedMission with only accurate stepping to keep the timer alive for the most part).
** Similar but lesser hate can be directed as a player who uses speed mods or any built-in noteskins to make reading stepcharts easier, [[WallBanger even if some of this noteskins are default options on some of the games]]. The only possible exception is the Solo modifier on older DDR arcade releases: due to a bug, if one player chose Solo, both players had to have it on.
* For a while, the speed mod debate carried over to ''GuitarHero''. It certainly didn't help that in all ''Guitar Hero'' games so far '''but''' ''[=GH5=]''[[hottip:* :Yes, even ''VanHalen'', which was released after ''[=GH5=]'', if only because it ran on a pre-''[=GH5=]'' engine.]], speed modifiers were filed under the cheats menu.
* The online game [[http://www.jamlegend.com JamLegend]]'s score system awards most experienced players a golden "P" (pro) badge.Pray you don't end up in a multiplayer match made up of pros...
** Besides that, most comments on the songs will simply consist of "FC" (Full Combo), sometimes followed up with "Too easy" or "Can't believe someone failed it".The moderator staff deleted them at first, but eventually resigned and let the [=SHFGs=] shout out their pride.
* Homebrew Bemani games falls victim to SHFG traps, most stepcharts wind up in the vein of "It is supposed to be hard, learn to play" songs. Rather evident in StepMania and Osu!
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[[folder:Online Roleplaying Games]]
* ''Ragnarok Online'' features a multitude of classes you can choose from, and because of the set-up for the stats and skills layout, you can have very unorthodox builds for any given class. Many classes are designed with certain builds in mind, but there is nothing stopping you from making a screwball build - Battle Wizard, Flee-Monk, Agility Crusader. God forbid you actually admit to working on one, especially to a guild that focuses heavily on WoE combat.
* ''CityOfHeroes'' (and its counterpart game, ''City of Villains'') have a couple archetype combinations and maps that get used extensively by the twink crowd. In ''City of Heroes,'' it's Fire/Kinetics Controllers that are viewed as the most powerful, with two particular maps used. ''City of Villains'' is a bit more complex, but the popular choice is to pair an (area of effect emphasis)/Stone Armor Brute and a (area of effect emphasis)/Kinetics Corruptor (popular combinations are Super Strength/Stone Armor and Fire Blast/Kinetics). The map of choice is Battle For Television. They will then set up teams and farm it. While this is a very effective way to gain money, it is extremely monotonous and many of the people that set these up are also completely passionless and very strict about the conduct of the team fillers, with the most extreme of them not even letting them on the map to share the rewards (though even these ones usually tell you ahead of time, and let you leave once all the enemies on the map are spawned). Then there are the people that refuse to do anything ''but'' this type of team...
** Amusingly, a lot of the more strident fans of farming the same map over and over and over and over in the pursuit of easy leveling and quick money accumulation will deride doing missions as "boring and repetitive". The {{Irony}} in such statements is stunning.
** This section of the playerbase also relentlessly pursues and abuses other exploits for risk-free experience.
** And now that we have the Invention system implemented, expect any player that doesn't use and abuse it to twink out his character to ridiculous levels to be mocked mercilessly by the usual suspects.
*** Those who aren't mocking people for not using it to make money of course.
* If you aren't willing to put up with the restrictions and are willing to invest a lot of time into it, forget about two things in ''WorldOfWarcraft:'' Raids and Arena. There is a very vocal group of players who believe you don't deserve any sort of advancement if you don't participate in either of these aspects. Never mind the fact that raids don't necessarily require skill, and that neither are particularly fun at their upper tiers primarily due to the high volume of these people at that level.
* When 10-man raids were first announced, there was a huge uproar from the hardcore raider crowd. Some arguments against the change were reasonable, but many other arguments basically boiled down to: "You're not allowed access to this type of content because we say so."
** On a very similar note, Blizzard has announced that in the upcoming expansion, Cataclysm, Battleground PvP, most often considered by [=SHFGs=] to be a complete and total waste of arena time, is going to provide rewards at least on par with Arena gear. As can be expected, posting about it on ANY Arena forums is a bad idea.
* The infamous [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtvIYRrgZ04 50 DKP Minus person]]; this is the kind of player that can make ''WorldOfWarcraft'' very unpleasant. Alas, [[http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/ding/Ding-2008-06-26.aspx they abound]], especially on open world [[PlayerVersusPlayer PvP]] servers.
** The server Tichondrius is widely known to be the worst in ''WorldOfWarcraft'', as it is filled to the gills with elitist [=PvPer=] jerks who will actually SCAN YOUR ARMORY PROFILE to make sure you are a seasoned [=PvPer=]. If you aren't? You're blacklisted by all players. Fun does not exist here and so (as the servers motto goes) "Tichondrius is Not For You".
*** The cross-server dungeon finder has had the unfortunate side effect of exposing Tichondrius players to the other servers. With shocking regularity when one party member stands out as being pushy, raging at the slightest delay, calling everyone noobs at the slightest provocation, and screaming over their deaths despite having aggroed an entire group while not being a tank, they are from Tichondrius.
*** The Rampage US battlegroup has similar problems with TWO such servers; Illidan and Cho'gall. Don't argue with them. {{Just smile and nod}}. Their vision is based on movement.
** The official ''World of Warcraft'' class forums are chock full of posters that epitomize this trope. Don't have a + 16 Intellect gem in every gem slot of your gear? Then you are the worst Holy Paladin in the world and deserve to be boiled in acid. Have a talent point spent somewhere other than in the cookie-cutter build? Delete your character immediately and never play ''World of Warcraft'' again, you complete and utter loser.
** There are massive complaints on the forums by the very vocal minority of "Hardcore" Raiders stating how Blizzard is ruining the game by allowing Casual Gamers to acquire endgame gear with the new Random Dungeon Finder tool (which allows players to get into Pick Up Groups that have a fair chance of not sucking, and hands out endgame loot tokens for successful runs). Has everyone forgotten that ''World of Warcraft'' has always been a casual-player-targeted MMO?
** They also whined a lot during the ''Burning Crusade'' and ''Wrath of The Lich King'' major class revamps, commenting the game becoming too easy to play for noobs with little skills that can play with little or no addons. They seem to forget that even with the new changes, it still requires some skill to play classes, not to mention that players have to incorporate the new abilities and changes in their gameplay. This has continued into ''Cataclysm'', with complaints about the new information displays. These mostly consist of giving people information they weren't previously given in the game but which is vital for progression content. Their attitude is apparently that instead of being given this info, they should have to look it up on third-party sources. There is no thought or skill involved in looking up these numbers, it's simply adds to the already extensive busywork of the end-game. But apparently actually providing these fundamental stats is catering to noobs.
** The Random Dungeon Finder combined with the new gearscore attributes have caused a whole new outbreak of StopHavingFunGuys. It's not at all uncommon to wait some time to get a random group, only to have the tank and/or healer (the two hardest members to find) look at your gearscore and immediately declare they are "not playing with a bunch of noobs" and drop group - even if said gearscore is equivalent to raid-quality gear prior to the most recent raid dungeon updates and you are playing an easy 5-man instance. It can also lead to party leaders voting to boot other party members with "unacceptable" gear scores. An exceptionally petty action when the said low-scoring player is probably still leveling their endgame gear and they just got bumped from the chance to earn tokens to buy better gear, and by getting booted from a random dungeon party, they are now forced to re-queue. The worst bit is that the point at which a gear score stops being too low is about the same point as you don't want any of the gear from the dungeon anyway. If you actually need something from the dungeon you're running, you're not good enough.
*** It should be noted that [=GearScore=] ''is not'' an in-game attribute, but a UI mod that assigns scores to equippable items and tallies your scores up to determine how well-geared you are. It's basically a tool to allow StopHavingFunGuys to be lazy about their elitism.
** Some people have this very attitude towards vanity items and the people who farm for them: Why would you farm for a mount and/or pet? It doesn't help you during a [[BossBattle boss fight]]. Same goes for people who do Vanilla/BC raids. You're dumb for collecting old gear that's outmatched by the greens you got while questing in Outlands/Northrend.
* Instant-Message Roleplay has its own breed of the Stop Having Fun Guy. It's the type that demands a great number of Instant Message boxes be filled per post, and will throw a fit if you do anything under the limit. Most people would be hard-pressed to stretch a single action into ''three''. How they manage to find people to play with is anyone's guess.
* AOL. AOL by far has some of the worst "Stop having fun guys" [=RPers=]. The standard fare to RP with anyone is: you must have a well thought out profile (this apparently is the most important thing. Also if it's not schwag and it doesn't have a picture, it's not "well thought out"), can type two full IM boxes consistently, and should have a storyline to play along with (although some offer their own). And then there's the whole vocabulary thing (calling eyes "orbs" and ears "radars" of all things). There was also a group that booted you out of the room if you didn't RP ''fast enough'', claiming they do a mostly "talking" RP.
** AOL roleplayers have eased up a little lately. For one, AOL has so badly wrecked its profile system that people just e-mail their info to each other.
* AOL Free-form RP (FFRP). With the 'ability' to "roll" various amounts of "dice" with various amounts of "sides" (i.e., a random number generator), there was infinite potential to not have fun. Combat tended to be speed-typing-based and not round-by-round (i.e., D&D style), which meant that 'fights' turned into copy-pasting "punches him" followed by the roll command over and over again. Which was de-funned even further by stipulations on minimum-word limits, time limits between actions, and refusals to recognize actions for one reason or another ("You can't just say 'fires a gun at him'! What kind of gun? What kind of bullets? What are you aiming at?") All this cat-herding was ruled over by a series of unofficial "official" enforcers of rules (a.k.a. clans or guilds), none of which required anything more than a hastily-assembled webpage of rules. And don't you dare laugh at any of this. It was SeriousBusiness.
* In Yahoo! Chat, back when it actually had user rooms, if you couldn't do three eight line paragraphs about the simple act of throwing a punch, then you just couldn't RP, noob!
* The reverse has been known to be true as well; some players advocate a maximum number of lines (usually three or five) per post for a variety of reasons that boil down to "you're a noob if you can't say what you need to say in three lines" or "you're a poser who pads his posts with {{purple prose}}." It can become a CyclicTrope when the para-posters become dominant in a particular chat, leave a couple of disgruntled veterans who aren't on the paragraph side, and the latter become role models for a lot of newbies who don't like the para-post clans, form their own clans until they become dominant in numbers and the para-posting clans disintegrate, leaving behind a few old guard who start wowing the newbies with their "mad posting skillz..."
* There's been a recent controversy on {{Twitter}}, specifically the "[=TwitterDex=]", a group of people who like to act out ''{{Pokemon}}'' Tweets that have their own wiki. A recent influx of people portraying characters from the games (such as [[http://twitter.com/E4Karen Karen]], [[http://twitter.com/Champion_Lance Lance]], and [[http://twitter.com/ChampionSteven Steven]]) who chose to portray their characters in slightly different ways than they're shown in {{canon}} have crossed paths with the "veterans" who think that the Twitter series they're posting "isn't an RP" and that their characters are "out of line". A recent incident involving a party at Steven's house where people drank and had a good time ([[TheRuleOfFirstAdopters some more than others]], though nothing truly explicit occurred) was shut down when Steven reached his Tweet Limit for the day and arguments regarding the portrayal of characters and clogging up followers' feeds with multiple tweets began.
* Forum [[PlayByPostGames Play-by-posts]]. Seriously many people require you to have an extreme amounts of actions taken. Of course this may also happen when you are playing numerous characters or [[{{NPC}} Non-player characters]] at once, which would result in a longer post; but if you have only ONE character, then you MUST match theirs in length and description! [[WallBanger Even when you are NOT in control of the environment and therefore have nothing else to describe but your character's actions.]] Another case where it goes both ways - some StopHavingFunGuys will demand that you simply don't overload them with details or introduce them over time, and will enable you to get away with a shorter post, and if you do too much stuff then you're overwhelming other players or are just trying to show off. Bottom line? Either try and balance "Get right to the point" and "Enriching the world", don't add details for the sake of longer posts and don't just say you nod and that's all, or adapt to the type of game you're in.
* {{MUSH}}es and {{MUCK}}s often suffer from the above phenomena too. Some will encourage (or require) you to write "long, descriptive" poses or character descriptions (what others see when they "@look" at your character), where it turns out that "long and descriptive" actually means "a giant rambling paragraph of PurpleProse." And then there are the competitive posers who try to constantly one-up each other in length and PurpleProse...
* ''Efedding''. It's a forum-based writing/roleplaying game with ProfessionalWrestling as a backdrop. ''Efedding'' players can generally be broken down into "storyline" (writing short stories and chapters thereof featuring your character(s)) and "trashtalk" (doing like real pro wrestlers do and talk trash about your opponent and the match). Stop Having Fun Guys exist on both ends of the spectrum. Trashtalker [=SHFGs=] consider storyliners to be pretentious psuedo-intellectuals who don't know how to play the game. Storyliner [=SHFGs=] consider trashtalkers to be uncreative dullards who don't know how to play the game.
* In ''[[PhantasyStar Phantasy Star Universe]]'', there is a large group of people who will boot you from the party for a number of reasons. Picking up "trash" rare items (Even when there is some value to them)? Not having the right Weapon/Armor element (especially at a low percent)? Having weapons that are not grinded (enough)? Having low Photon Art levels? Daring to not play as the "right" race/class combo, ''especially'' as a disadvantaged one (Beast Ranger, Newman Hunter, CAST Force)? Getting most of the ''good'' rares when the setting's on Set Random? Oh Noes! Hell, ''just being there'' at the end boxes on missions is a viable reason to be kicked from the party. You don't have to do much to get booted from the party. Sometimes even nothing at all...
* In ''EVEOnline'' there's a constant struggle going on between "carebears" who do non-PvP related activities such as mining or mission running and the [=PvPers=] and pirates. Sure, there's the saying that "PvP in EVE is consensual and you consent whenever you undock", but [=PvPers=] seem to be of the mind that the game is ALL PvP and you should not have the freedom to play the game the way you like - if you prefer to fly out into an asteroid belt and shoot rocks with a mining laser, you ''deserve'' to die and be taunted for it. This despite the fact that freedom of gameplay is EVE's biggest drawcard and that half the ingame economy is powered by carebears. They're a little more forgiving if you're a new player, and don't have the skills or equipment to survive in 0.0, but veteran players have no excuse. (Which is not to say there aren't carebear players who are just as SeriousBusiness).
** For an even more illuminating case study, look toward the big 0.0 player alliances. Consider "alarm clock ops", where in a game where the potential conflict runs 23/7 in real time, you have players in other time zones setting their alarm clocks to wake them up in the middle of the night to go on them - and if you don't, you're letting your alliance down. And that's just scratching the surface. In 2009, a director in the Band Of Brothers alliance (whom for years had been imposable to destroy), on a lark, created a noob character and got him enlisted in Goonswarm - [=BoB's=] biggest competitor and the resident SomethingAwful stronghold. Hanging out with them apparently made him realize that [[http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/64347 he was sick of the BoB]] SeriousBusiness mentality, so he outed himself and offered to defect. And he did...[[http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2737&tid=7 taking BoB down with him]]. The resulting explosion, fallout and power vacuum were epic.
* ''{{Maplestory}}''. If you don't have the right gear, or if your damage isn't up to par with the (increasingly more) absurd standards set by the "pros" (read: people who spend entire days just merchanting for Meso, the game's currency), or if you're playing one of the least popular classes, or, God forbid, if you play the game for fun rather than for leveling up. (Such as, say, NOT hiring a high level cleric to train you, a costly but fast process that lets you skip ahead in levels quickly), you're a noob.
* As far as many ''{{Runescape}}'' players are concerned, if you haven't leveled all of your Free-to-play skills up to ''at least'' 75 than you're barely playing the game. And don't even consider buying a membership; you aren't worthy.
** However, in the PVP worlds, each and every person there can qualify as the MostTriumphantExample of this trope. Heal when you're not low health? You get flamed. Use certain weapons? Flamed. Have a balanced level rather than specialise in one thing? You're labelled the scum of the earth. It reeks of [[{{Munchkin}} Munchkinism]] constantly, and it's why a lot of people avoid the PVP of the game.
* ''FinalFantasyXI''. Dear God, ''FinalFantasyXI''. The game has 20 jobs, of which you can pick a main and a sub. Of those 300+ combinations, there are maybe 15 that are acceptable to the SHFG: Any Melee class that is not Samurai or Dragoon shouldn't even bother leaving the Mog house. Sorry Warriors, Dark Knights, Thieves, etc -- you're only going to be invited to a [=SHFG's=] party if there aren't any Samurais or Dragoons available. If you are not playing Samurai or Dragoon because you have already taken both to the level cap -- you should expect to have one of three subjobs as a melee -- either /SAM (for anyone over 60), /WAR (for anyone under 60) and /NIN (for parties with a particularly loud [=SHFG=] leader). These are the only acceptable subjobs, all others will be asked to change before leaving town.
** For spellcasters: black mages should either [[LevelGrinding level grind]] solo (which is tricky and works best at higher levels) or party with other black mages in what's called a manaburn party. Likewise, Summoners should [[LevelGrinding level grind]] solely with other summoners, which is similarly called an astralburn party. All normal levelling parties should have a [[TheRedMage Red Mage]] as healer/buffer/debuffer, and have no need for any other caster. And everyone wants a bard for their wide variety of powerful [[StatusBuff buffs]]. Other spellcasters else should not waste their own time. The others -- Scholar, White, and Blue Mages -- are unfortunately only useful as subjobs.
** Ninja is the only job that can naturally [[DualWielding dual wield weapons]], has a variety of spells (Ninjutsu) and can usually do generally respectable damage. However, none of this is likely to matter, because one of those spells creates a few [[DopplegangerSpin shadow images]] which effectively cause the next few normal attacks to automatically miss. The StopHavingFunGuys realized early on that when used properly, casting this over and over would make the ninja effectively invincible in most situations, both by avoiding damage and by preventing enemies from using their [[LimitBreak limit breaks]]. Thus, "Blink Tanking" became the norm. In its most common form, a NIN/WAR gets a monster's attention, then uses shadow images to absorb its attacks while the rest of the party kills it. At high levels, a WAR/NIN can do likewise, although the spellcasting mechanics make it slightly more difficult and less reliable. In addition, other melee characters will frequently use Ninja as a subjob, both to allow DualWielding and for the above shadow image spell. However, some [=SHFGs=] insist that ''all'' players use Ninja as a subjob, even those who get little out of it, mainly because it ''weakens'' the player's damage output and makes the duties of the healer and "Blink Tank" a little easier.
** [[MagicDance Dancer]], [[MarionetteMaster Puppet]][[LethalJokeCharacter master]] and [[TheBeastmaster Beastmasters]] are nearly unseen in parties. Fortunately, all three can solo reasonably well. There are several reasons for this: none of them add anything to a party that other jobs can't do just as well; dancer is a late addition to the game, puppetmaster requires a little [[DifficultButAwesome more effort, investment and planning]] than most jobs to be similarly effective, as well as relying on an [[AIRoulette unpredictable]] [[RobotBuddy automaton]]. Beastmaster is commonly seen as the best job to solo with by [=SHFG=] and regular players alike, and their reliable pets tend to either be mediocre or [[GlassCannon easily killed]].
** The StopHavingFunGuy mentality on ''FinalFantasyXI'' goes beyond choice of job; choice of camp and party style are ways you can "do it wrong" too. Many of the above narrow job choice demands are based primarily on what's optimal in a meleeburn against colibri (or less commonly against puks and [[LizardFolk Mamool Ja]]. If you aren't meleeburning colibri, you had better be solo, or in a manaburn or [[GameBreaker astralburn]] instead; if you're fighting anything else in any sort of way aside from those two, at ''best'' the local SHFG will [[StopHelpingMe persistently "gently" remind you how inefficient you are at getting XP and provide "tips for improvement"]], and at worst tear you a new one.
*** And Heaven help you if you decide to use a weapon uncommon to your job--for instance, using a pole as a Monk. Even if you're soloing and NOT looking for a group. On the plains outside the Valkurm Dunes.
*** It is worth noting that very little of this applies to high level raid-style content, which commonly requires jobs that are considered useless for optimal LevelGrinding, especially thief to increase [[RandomlyDrops drop rates]], paladin tanks to survive powerful enemy [[LimitBreak limit breaks]] and magic damage, white mages for more efficient heals and better [[DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist raises]], and rangers and black mages for long-ranged burst damage. Dancer, puppetmaster, beastmaster and corsair are still rarely seen, however.
* GuildWars has this often when it comes to character builds. Woe betide you if you try something unique. There's only a certain type of build you can use, and if you don't do this, you suck.
** Better yet, no one will tell you what these builds are or where to get the skills needed for them! At most, you'll get the name for the build. As if this is supposed to instantly communicate everything you need to know.
* [[LivejournalRoleplay Roleplay on LiveJournal]] has a lot of these. Occasionally slip up in your characterization? You're the scum of the Internet and need to gtfo of LJ. The anon meme and Roleplay Secrets community combine this with the {{GIFT}} for extra vitriol, to the point where there are threads complaining about people using the "wrong" ''userpics'' or formatting their comments "wrong." Also, dare to play out a gay couple and you ''will'' be snarked at because according to the StopHavingFunGuys (or girls), [[YaoiFangirl you're only in it for the sparkly buttsex]] and/or because having a character whose orientation is never mentioned in canon be gay or bisexual is [[WallBanger somehow]] OOC.
* There are plenty of these in the ''DungeonFighterOnline'' community, especially concerning builds and play styles. If you like playing the normal game at all, then you are a worthless n00b (never mind that thegame isn't really made for PVP). Several skills are considered "useless," and even if you demonstrate how they can be particularly useful, you are derided for picking a "worthless" build. This game is unique because you could have a 100% win record in PVP, yet still be called a bad player if your build has "worthless" skills, no matter how much they helped you win. David Sirlin himself would be derided.
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[[folder:Newspaper Comics]]
* Brilliantly skewered in a CalvinAndHobbes strip where Calvin is criticizing a clay tiger made by Hobbes.
--> Hobbes: Who cares, I wanted to make it.
--> Calvin: What is this, some sort of snobby '''''aesthetic''''' thing?!
* Also shown in ''BabyBlues''. Zoe wants to have some fun cup-stacking while Darryl offers to be her coach. When she refuses, saying she just wants to have fun with cup-stacking, Darryl asks, "What kind of mentality is that?!"
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[[folder:First Person Shooters]]
* A "noob weapon" is defined as any gun that does decent damage and doesn't fire every other shot at your own head.
* These guys occupy ''both'' sides of the debate over snipers. Either sniping is pro and people just need to stop whining (often with additional statements that it's unrealistic that they have to get a headshot to kill in one hit and / or bragging about no-scoping), or snipers are noobs who can't play properly and so have to camp for cheap kills, where "cheap" is defined as killing the player in question.
* If you ''do'' like to snipe, for the love of God, ''never'' get a bodyshot kill or people will view you as a CompleteMonster.
* Any competitive game in general attracts this, but due to the fact that most FirstPersonShooter multiplayer games are pretty much competitive, it quickly deteriorates from simple fun where you wanna come back to a "Win to Live" mentality. If you have more deaths than you do kills, then get the hell off the server and play with a bunch of kids, you noobling! You use anything unconventional? BURN IN HELL FOREVER!!! The mentality of too many players of FirstPersonShooters is comparable to if they were actually in war and someone ''does'' die a painful death if someone's goofing around.
* Word of advice: If you're really suicidal, say the words "Maybe I'll use the autosnipe next round" to hardcore {{CounterStrike}} players.
* ''TeamFortress2'' is something of a BrokenBase on its own, and the competitive community in it is actually fairly nice to people (of course, there are exceptions) but the people who complain about how it's an objectively terrible game because it doesn't take as much skill as its predecessor, Team Fortress Classic are a vocal enough group to be considered the Stop Having Fun Guys of the TF fandom. Never mind the fact that [[WordOfGod the game's developers said that their goal was to make a more balanced game than TFC, which they said was extremely unbalanced]], it takes less skill and the Medic is no longer an attacking class. It's just a horrible game and if you say otherwise you're an awful person who doesn't deserve to own a PC.
** A good portion of the competitive [=TF2=] players seem to think that if you're not playing 6v6 nocrit matches with them, then you're off playing 32-man Instant Respawn 2fort, crouched behind your Sentry holding Mouse1.
** Then there is the inverse: the people who enter public servers with few players and declare "no playing serious." What this means varies from just not going after objectives to straight-up not doing much of anything, but the one constant is that anyone who joins afterwards will be unable to tell until it is too late and he has already broken these unspoken, unwritten rules. At which point the other players will immediately assume he did it on purpose (even though he just joined) and shun him until he leaves.
*** On some of these "no playing serious" servers, any player who is performing a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xV2lfInZ3w "Spycrab Walk"]] is not to be attacked for any reason by the opposing team. Players who kill [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoodbadBugs "Spycrabs"]] on these servers are subject to ridicule and are occasionally kicked or even banned for this transgression.
** This game's version of "No Items Fox Only Final Destination": "No Spread No Crits No Unlocks Max Damage 2Fort"
** [[MemeticMutation Gentlemen?]] Meet [[http://kotaku.com/5527812/team-fortress-2-update-puts-a-medal-on-your-chest ghost4.]] [[IncrediblyLamePun What's a ghost4? For booing at the developers]] for implementing a badge for those who first played the game over a year after it came out and calling them "Weekend Warriors," which he considers insulting.
*** Said medal was changed to bear the name "Mercenary" before the medals were even released (within hours of the original announcement, in fact - it was likely even changed before the FlameWar above took place), and the original page showing it with the "Weekend Warrior" name had the "Mercenary" version put in very quickly, [[DisContinuity erasing all mention of the old name from any of Valve's pages.]]
** A fairly recent example: Competitive leagues have recently decided they're removing the Sandman (a scout bat which also hits a baseball to stun people), Natasha (A heavy minigun which slows targets down when shot), and the Wrangler (an engineer pistol replacement allowing them to take control of their sentry gun from their next season. While, regardless of the backlash, many people have spoken up and give good reasons (or [[YourMilageMayVary not-so-good ones]]), others have decided to say otherwise.
*** Arguably a case of "Lets have some fun guys" as many find those weapons make the game significantly less enjoyable.
** The general community also gets pretty vocal about weapon loadouts. No matter how balanced a set of alternative weapons may be, one of them will always be the infinitely superior choice and you must have it equipped at all times. God forbid anyone ever uses the Backburner or the Bonesaw in public. They will be promptly shat on and told at length how much better one of the other choices is.
*** One word: Demoknights. After the Demoman gained the ability to give up his StickyBomb ability for increased melee potential, players will either complain about either how using stickies is unfair because it encourages camping or that Valve never should have given the ''demolitions'' man an ability completely unrelated to [[StuffBlowingUp blowing shit up]].
* ''{{Halo}} 2''. They're the ones that start crying when you suggest playing Swords or Rockets or anything that isn't a team game. Or when you suggest playing on Beaver Creek. They'll generally only play Capture the Flag, on Blood Gulch, with Heavy Weapons. Or, they'll get on your ass if you use any weapon other than the Battle Rifle...
* ''Left4Dead''. While people do need a good amount of skill to survive the Advanced and Expert difficulties, some players will immediately kill or boot another player from the game if they make just one mistake and/or call them a n00b for not knowing how to play properly. Shown a lot more in VS mode where team members will accuse you of making them lose because of...well, anything. Because of stuff like this, [[{{Griefer}} some people get pure joy in making other players rage at their bad game playing]]. This becomes more apparent when you get scolded or booted from the game for something that could be beyond your control, such as shooting someone by accident as they wander into your line of fire or popping a Boomer that was next to someone as it catches you by surprise. Doubly annoying in Versus mode, as there is no place to practice the infected side other than during an actual match.
** You must use the [[ComplacentGamingSyndrome autoshotgun]]! If you pick the assault rifle or (God forbid) the hunting rifle, [[SarcasmMode you're hurting your team so much you may as well be teamkilling]]. (Amusingly enough, many people consider the hunting rifle, and its big brother the military sniper rifle, some of the best guns in the sequel, plus the hunting rifle in the first game now had its accuracy buffed up so opinions may change.)
** Just try playing a pub Versus game and not exploiting glitches such as getting pushed through walls or "shiva stacking" (huddling in a corner during zombie rushes, making you all but invincible). You will be booted so fast your head will spin. This was the case in the first game, but thanks to new types of crescendo events plus new special infected in the sequel, the old tricks are not encouraged as much.
** Heck, just lacking a microphone will get you booted by people who take communicating in games very seriously. It seems having no mic at all automatically makes you a sucky player instantly.
** Most of time you are just kicked out without giving a reason. You are left wondering why, as asking for explanation does nothing. If you are lucky, you are called "n00b" or "[[WallBanger you have less than X amount of playing time, learn to play]]".
** Heaven forbid you have a poor connection - [[SarcasmMode it's obviously not possible to have difficulty playing due to a slow connection,]] [[YouFailLogicForever clearly your slow connection is caused by you sucking at the game]] and not by being too far from the server host, simply having a lower-powered Internet setup or computer, etc.
** Another VS example: players who are serious about winning will demand other players to rush the maps so that the infected team will not have time to spawn properly and catch up. It is a legit tactic, but god forbid that you need a few seconds to heal up or are actually caught by a special infected and need help. For the players who demand to rush, they will blame you should you fall behind for reasons beyond your control.
* If you want to get ''[=~The Hidden: Source~=]'' players up in arms before you even finish your sentence, just mention the "pig stick." It's a OneHitKill available to the Hidden player, in exchange for making them unable to move throughout the three-second animation. It also makes a noticeable sound; the Hidden player's advantage being that he's ''invisible'', this is a seriously bad thing. Yet [[strike:most]] players insist it be turned off, because anyone who uses it is a hacking noob. It's seriously the most polarizing game mechanic this side of ''TeamFortress2''.
* ''QuakeIIIArena'' and it's online reproduction, ''Quake Live'' are fairly immune. The simplicity of the weapons and the purity of their purpose means ''every'' weapon (even your intentionally nerf-y starting weapon) is useful in ''some'' situation, in which its use is almost necessary. Plus, the structure of the game means that there are very few modifications to one's playstyle that are necessary to start playing as effectively as possible - namely, learn when powerups respawn, and try harder. Well... ''fairly'' immune: the {{Munchkin}}s and tourney-obsessed will also force their games to display opponents as one type of character and make the level textures lighter, but the latter may be blocked in ''Quake Live''. Speaking of which...
* ...the discussions about the ''[[ExpansionPack Quake III: Team Arena]]'' stuff in ''Quake Live'' at the official forums have many players who will want your death if you ''dare'' to use the Nailgun, Chaingun, Prox Launcher, Runes, Kamikaze or Invulnerability; or even if you vote the qzteam* maps.
* ''ModernWarfare 2'': A number of these show up in online play with regards to player gear. Assault rifles, for example: the SCAR-H/ACR fanboys will flame anyone for even daring to use an assault rifle that isn't their most treasured weapon, even players who have ''not yet unlocked'' the ACR. Bonus points if the player is using a FAL which is probably the least-liked assault rifle for not being able to unload its magazine instantly. Grenade-launcher attachments are called Noob-Tubes; if the KnifeNut and Akimbo Shotgun kits suddenly flood a match you can guarantee that anyone trying to use anything else will be flamed for not being a real player. The riot shield is probably the biggest offender to the trope, despite making the player ImmuneToBullets, and its ability to dominate in close-ranged fire-fights especially against opponents armed with shotguns or pistols, using it is seen as a sign of noobhood to the so-called "Pros". Using the 2 "stealth" perks and a silencer/heartbeat bling weapon will invite a hefty dose of flaming more often than not.
** EVERYONE loathes the Fal, considering it to be the worst weapon in the game. Its also the best weapon in the game if you have a hand that actualy works.
** The Search and Destroy game-type tends to breed this kind of behaviour. It doesn't help that it plays like CounterStrike. Often it's best to just skip onto another game-type, as the matching service will keep dumping you back in there.
* Try to find a ''[[BattlefieldSeries Battlefield 2]]'' server running something other than Strike at Karkand I/O or Wake. Wake in particular is beloved of "pro" players due to the phenomenally unbalanced Chinese jets that can be [[{{Whoring}} whored]] for the entire match. Expect to be teamkilled if you try to get to one first.
** Most ''[[BattlefieldSeries Battlefield 2142]]'' Titan games will have ''something'' stupid going on, be it a commander parking his Titan over an antiaircraft gun so he can get tons of repair points for fixing the guns, parking his Titan over a missile silo so he can skip straight to the "loads of easy Claymore and RDX kills" stage of the match, parking his Titan directly in front of the ''other'' Titan for loads of free kills on enemy transports and gunships taking off, or the fact that everyone else playing is either doing it for tons of free Clay and RDX kills or really, really likes dying. Needless to say, this is how the game is "supposed" to be played, and capturing the silos to win rather than fighting through the ludicrously booby-trapped Titan is the height of noobery. Elsewhere, the StopHavingFunGuys can be found abusing the PK rockets / Voss combo to the hilt and accusing anyone who kills them with the Bauer (or, for that matter, anything else) of haxing, or sniping at you from on top of a ridiculously tall building because pod surfing is pro.
** Any sniper who uses the Zeller-H is likely to be mocked, as is anyone using a Scope Stabiliser.
* Killing a "crawler" (a zombie without legs) in ''NaziZombies'' will cause torments of nerd fury to come upon you. Granted, the frustration is somewhat understandable, as keeping one alive will prevent the next round from starting, allowing the team to rebuild barriers, upgrade weapons, etc. But others frustrations will go too far.
* The aging, but still fairly popular ''RedFaction'' has had this problem from time to time. For a three or four year period, there was an extremely common server-side mod (still around, but the playerbase has shrunk considerably, with the [=SHFGs=] moving on to newer and flashier games) that would disable the Fusion Rocket Launcher (blasts a huge hole in the ground, and kills anyone in a considerable raidus), the Heavy Machine Gun (most powerful automatic weapon), the Super health/armor (gives double the normal max), and the invincibily/damage amp powerups.
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[[folder:Third Person Shooters]]
* Expect to be called a {{noob}} for doing... just about anything outside of using the advanced sword cancel techniques with shotguns in the online game ''{{GunZ}} the Duel''. Even using the most accurate rifle in the game, you'll be doing nothing but spraying wildly... even after you nail an opponent 14 times in the chest. Using a dagger to knock someone down and shooting them while they're on the ground because they didn't jump out of it? You're being a dagger noob.
** And if you jump out of a dagger user's lunge almost every time, you'll [[{{fandumb}} often be called a hacker.]]
** Rifle, Revs, Kodaichi, and E-style (short for European-style and is the "simpler" advanced technique system i.e., anything that doesn't require a glitch in the system to be usable, which is what the sword cancel techniques ARE) is guaranteed to piss off the ones that use the sword cancel techniques (called K-Style, or Korean Style.)
*** On the flip side, there are those who insist E-style is the only true way to play, and that anyone who needs to sword cancel to in has no skill at the game.
* ''{{S4 League}}'' players that use the Cannonade, Counter Sword, or Semi Rifle are often called noobs, since these are more versatile, safer or easier to aim but less damaging versions of the [[ColdSniper Rail Gun]], [[NotCompensatingForAnything Plasma Sword]], or [[MoreDakka Gauss Rifle]]. They're also powerful tools in their own way--the Counter Sword is usually shunned by Scrubs as being overpowered. The Counter Sword and Rail Gun tend to also be considered unacceptable weapons on the Tunnel v1 map, where they are fun but not a good way to score touchdowns.
** And then there are the 'rawr guns r 4 noobs' players, that insult and abuse anyone who uses anything but melee weaponry ( 2 out of some 20 or so weapons ), the 'LAGGER!' haters, who abuse anyone who tries to play with a poor connection because the game attempts (albeit a bit clumsily) to protect any poor sod whose connection can't give them a perfect uplink. For people defying the games basic premise, these guys (perhaps due to their stupidity) can be ''unbelievably'' vicious.
** Swords Only mode was originally created for the aforementioned 'guns r 4 noobs' players. The way the game is designed, though, turns some very ineffective strategies in S4/Chaser mode into [[GameBreaker Game Breakers]] when playing Swords Only (which would be much easier to stop if you just [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim used a gun]]). The SO community, to counter it, created an entire set of rules to prevent that and whoever doesn't respect it is raged at. Apparently, limiting yourself to 3 weapons (out of 17), 3 skills (out of 10) and ''forcing yourself to adapt to a set of unwritten rules'' is the only true way to play the game.
* The online Multiplayer mode for ''SOCOM 3/Combined Assault'' seems to consist almost entirely of suppression matches on a timer played on Devil's Road, Which is made up of two villages on either side of a lake. The result? Constant sniping, to the point where some servers have every other weapon disabled, and where this isn't the case you will be flamed for using other guns.
* ''GearsOfWar'' on Xbox Live: much of community believes that the only weapon that should be used is the Shotgun. If you kill someone with say, the chainsaw or Lancer, it's not uncommon to receive an angry message from that person saying "Take out your shotgun, you noob!".
* In the case of ''MetroidPrime'', the StopHavingFunGuys are actually the company rather than the players. Retro seems to have a deep, abiding and ''entirely pointless'' hatred for {{sequence breaking}}, to the point that each successive version has tried progressively harder to ruin the game for {{speedrun}}ning, apparently simply on the basis that this isn't the correct way to play the game. Most famously, Retro removed the "Space Jump First" glitch (where players who used a "scan jump" glitch when they first land on Tallon IV to get the Space Jump Boots much earlier than intended) from every subsequent edition after the original pressing.
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[[folder:Other Games]]
* Sparda have mercy on your soul if you admit to playing [[MercyMode Easy Automatic]] on any ''DevilMayCry'' title, for the [[HarderThanHard Dante Must Die]]-demolishing "pros" will have none. Although there actually is a bit of sense in this, since part of the fun is linking together Dante, Vergil or Nero's moves as one sees fit, and the automated combo choices Easy Auto forces on the player detracts from that.
* ''DefenseOfTheAncients'', that (in)famous ''{{Warcraft}} III'' map, has a number of players who despise "noob" and "pub" (public game) hero and item choices. Anyone who plays Phantom Assassin, Stealth Assassin or Phantom Lancer at any time will be trashed for the entire game by the SHFG player. Also, anyone who ever buys a Dagon will incur the same level of wrath.
* ''HeroesOfNewerth'', which is a standalone version of ''DefenseOfTheAncients'', is this way. Even on games advertised "noob players only" there is usually someone who will complain about their team not doing things "right".
** Not only that, but there is no tutorial, and no practice games. Essentially, to START PLAYING, you have to already be a SHFG on ''Defense of the Ancients''.
** It does have a tutorial now.
** ''LeagueofLegends'' suprisigly averts this.
* If you're not coming within seconds of a world record in ''InitialD Arcade Stage'' or ''Wangan Midnight Maximum Tune'', fellow players will think you're [[SoBadItsHorrible So Bad You're]] [[{{Scrub}} Horrible]].
* ''ChromeHounds'' presents an interesting case-- the {{Scrub}}s and the StopHavingFunGuys are both in general control of the online community- and advocating similar messages: [[GameBreaker Stick Mechs are king]], and Base-Dropping means you're a n00b, unless you did so in a [[LightningBruiser Wheelie]] (God help you if you play like the game advocates instead).
* The ''MarioKart'' series have been getting this, starting with the DS. Mention the word, snaking, anywhere, and you are bound to stir up a flame war between people who are for it and and people who are against it. If you try to explain how snaking is broken, you are classified as a {{Scrub}} who can't handle better players or just suck at snaking.
* ''Mario Kart Wii'' is no better when it comes to using bikes and certain characters with stat bonuses. If you dare to use anyone other than Daisy and Funky Kong (since they have the best bonus for top speed), any bike other than the Dolphin Dasher, Mach Bike, Flame Runner, or even try to play by just using a kart, pro players will tell you that you will always lose and stand no chance against people using a bike. You're also a {{Scrub}} by default if you even go as far as denouncing bikes for being overpowered. Apparently, no one is allowed to use anything other than the top tiered characters and bikes because it's all about using only the best to win.
** Use the Wii Wheel? You're a casual Scrub who'll always lose. This troper has also seen the opposite, stating if you don't use it, you're a casual Scrub who can't drive worth shit and will always lose.
* Admit to playing ''any'' game with DifficultyLevels on Easy (or even just ask a question about how it compares to the other levels) and [[EasyModeMockery prepare to get swarmed by people insisting that real gamers don't play on any level lower than]] [[strike: Normal]] [[strike: Hard]] [[strike:HarderThanHard]] [[EasyModeMockery the absolute hardest difficulty]].
** This also applies to custom levels or custom games like rom hacks. If they are too hard and people complain about it, the people that love it will denounce the complainers as scrubs and n00bs who can't handle a challenge.
** Conversely, admit to playing on the hardest difficulty level and being good at it and people will tell you you're not having fun.
** Interestingly, Spiderweb Software switched to using IdiosyncraticDifficultyLevels in the later ''{{Geneforge}}'' games as a response to something similar to this. The fanbase itself has relatively little friction between those who play on Normal or Tough in the older games and those who prefer [[HarderThanHard Torment]], but WordOfGod says that there's often an impression that playing on Easy is somehow wrong, and they didn't want people to feel that they were stuck playing on Normal or harder if they had trouble with the games. Makes a certain amount of sense - after all, if they didn't want people using Easy, they wouldn't have included it.
** Interestingly, many games LOCK the harder modes until you've completed the game on either easy or normal. How have they played only on insane mode without unlocking it first?
*** Well obviously those games all suck and you shouldn't be bothering with them at all.
* ''Mount & Blade'' offers players the chance to play either on foot as infantry, or use a horse. In a bidirectional relationship, horse players and infantry players both generally hate each other and view the other side's tactics as noobish. Cavalry players typically hate infantry because they are too slow and don't rack up enough kills, while infantry players typically hate cavalry for being a one trick pony (pun totally intended) and without any real skill.
* The only legal methods of input for ''{{Touhou}}'' are arcade sticks and keyboards. Even if you can't afford a stick, you are not allowed to play using a pad, even if it's a reputable pad like the ones for the Sega Saturn and the SNES.
* [[NostalgiaFilter Games from the SNES era and earlier are the only games you should ever be playing]]. [[ItsPopularNowItSucks Everything else is far too casual]].
* Admit to struggling with ''ThunderForce III'' or ''IV'', and fellow shmup players will brag about how impossibly easy they are and how it only takes 1 or 2 attempts to 1-credit the whole game.
* Not directly related to this trope, but [[http://my.opera.com/TheEve/albums/showpic.dml?album=630163&picture=8614700 this picture]] takes it to a literal level.
* Apparently, you're not really a fan of the ''{{Mario}}'' game series unless you know ''every'' single warp pipe, hidden 1-Up block, secret passage, blah, blah, blah like the back of your hand. Likewise, some fans will tell you that the only way to beat the game is to ''not'' use any warp pipes (or the warp flute in ''[[SuperMarioBros3 SMB3]]''), while others will tell you that ''using'' the warp pipe is the best way.
** Woe betide anyone who says they don't try for [[OneHundredPercentCompletion 100% completion]] in the games. IE: All the levels, all the coins, all the stars, all the bonuses etc.
* If you are having trouble beating a certain part of a video game, do not ask for help anywhere on the internet. The only responses you will ever get are people telling you that you suck and bragging about being able to do that part in their sleep.
* Chris Sawyer, creator of the ''RollerCoasterTycoon'' games, went on the record as saying that the "entire point" of ''Roller Coaster Tycoon'' was the scenarios, only the scenarios, and that the casual sandbox-players (that is, those who just wanted to build a simulated theme partk and who didn't care about the scenarios) were "doing it wrong, and needed to get serious and do it right", especially when they used a fan-produced "key" program to open the game up for sandbox play. He disliked sandbox play so much that when he wrote ''Roller Coaster Tycoon 2'', he included code that would wreck the game if the player attempted to use any sort of "sandbox key". Sales on ''Roller Coaster Tycoon 2'' plummeted appropriately. ''Roller Coaster Tycoon 3'' was not only produced without input by Chris Sawyer, it included an open sandbox option.
* [[TabletopGames Table-Top]] WarGaming, aka playing with toy soldiers, has its own two versions of Stop Having Fun Guys. Type one think that you can't be a proper member of the hobby if you haven't allowed for the fact that at the battle of Bunker Hill Nathaniel Smith was riding a borrowed horse, while Type two only ever plays an ad-hoc elite SS unit containing every Jagdtiger tank the Germans ever built.
* ''[[DeadRising Dead Rising 2]]''. You didn't get Ending S on your first playthrough? You suck at all video games. You restarted the story? You're a LevelGrinding faggot. Strangely, the first game never had this problem. Most people would even ''recommend'' grinding to max level and getting Zombie Genocider before doing anything else.
* ''{{Minecraft}}'' is young yet, but it's already got [=SHFGs=] lurking around the forums. Since the game is still in alpha, they dedicate their time not to deriding people for playing wrong, but to demanding Notch make alterations to the game to force people to play it "right". This includes everything from removing any feature whose only practical purpose is the creativity factor, to altering the way certain tools work ''for aesthetic reasons''.

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[[folder:Sports]]
* Sports in general are not only treated as Very SeriousBusiness but also are a breeding ground for these. Too many examples to count, we'll just leave it at that, but we'll also say that it is usually justified in the professional level, since 'having fun' typically takes a back seat to the millions of dollars that are at stake at that level.
** Really, the "professional level" may in and of itself be an example...
* Children's Soccer. Have you ever seen Soccer Moms in action? It's ''just'' a game, the kids are supposed to be having fun.
** Have you ever seen Hockey Dads? Some of them ''have beaten each other to death.''
** In the Netherlands we have Soccer Dads acting exactly the same.
** ''TheFastShow'''s "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2x_DI7tzNQ Competitive Dad]]" was based on this kind of character.
* Hunting and Fishing have often been known to attract these types. But of course there are quite a bit of people who're willing to give you some slack. Not everyone is really going to be performing at their peak when it's five in the morning, or lucky enough to catch a really big one. But there are people who can be yelling at you for catching ''too much'' fish or getting a kill bigger than they got. Oh you got a bigger trophy than I did? Beginner's luck...I got a bigger one? What finesse! What skill!
** Of particular note for mass hilarity is ice fishing, though some tournaments do state upfront they ban all but certain specific ways of fishing. Go ahead and use a spear or large handheld net normally though. Just do it. Lets ignore the fact the Inuit have done it this way for centuries, civilized people only use rod & tackle, same as in normal fishing... and God help you if you're sitting on anything other than your bait box. A lawn chair? You scummy suburbanite trendwhore! How dare you also dress comfortably!
* British amateur ski-jump enthusiast Eddie "The Eagle" Edwards was able to compete in the 1988 Winter Olympic Games in Calgary due to a rule allowing a nation to send an athlete in any sport for which there was a competititon, regardless of previous achievements by that athlete. Edwards, a middle-aged, myopic man who looks more like an ice cream vendor than an athlete, was to be honest a really, really bad ski-jumper. But his enthusiasm for the sport, as well as his "never give up" attitude and his statements that he was here for the "fun of competing in the Olympics", endeared him to the general public. Unfortunately, many of the "big name" jumpers felt that Edwards was "making a mockery" of the sport by being so bad at it and yet daring to compete in the Olympics with anything but a "win or die" attitude. Shortly after the Olympics finished, the entry requirements were greatly toughened, making it next to impossible for any other self-funded, self-trained amateur athletes to gain entry into the Olympics.
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[[folder:Strategy]]
* In any strategy videogame, if you believe the forums, there are exactly two kinds of players. According to the ''other'' kind, these are turtlers, who suck at the game and need to come out and fight and use proper tactics, and rushers, who need to lay off the caffiene and actually try to have some fun. Both are the offspring of the terrible union of {{Satan}}, {{Hitler}} and [[HeMan Skeletor]].
** That's a consensus shared by the SHFG's and the {{scrubs}}. The SHFG's take it several steps further by arguing that certain setting are "noob settings" and that if you beat them on said setting, it's because you gained a noob advantage.
* Go to any ''{{Warhammer 40000}}'' fan forum, and ask about army lists. Note that many of the aggressive posts are the guys who are building their armies to play Tournament matches against Space Marine armies (loaded with six-man Las/Plas squads and as many Assault Cannons, a huge {{Gamebreaker}} in previous editions, as possible) on tables with no terrain.
** If you post a list containing the most powerful units you can choose (such as the aforementioned las/plas squads), you will provoke an equally acerbic response. Such armies are criticised for not fitting in with the critic's idea of the background material (which will differ from critic to critic) - and, especially, for being {{Gamebreaker}}s and not the 'right way to play'.
* ''WarHammer'' and ''WarHammer40000'' are prime wargame examples. Use certain units or make a themed army, even if they're fluffy and fun, and the hardcore grognards will generally lecture on efficiency and effectiveness then probably advise the same cookie-cutter army that other people use to win. Make a wacky paint scheme and get decried by traditionalists. Make an army with a background that doesn't strictly follow established canon (like a loyal SpaceMarine army that is descended from one of the Traitor Legions) and prepare to be lambasted by canon-is-God players. Unless you say you're going back 10,000 years. With the HorusHeresy such a squiggly knot in history with Chaos playing some kind of supremely-advanced Risk, practically anything will go.
** On that last note, tone and background are important factors. Gag armies are typically well-received by good-humoured players ([[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/manip_IMGP0187.JPG Joycrons]] being a prominent example), and even in-character for some races (Orks being [[CrazyAwesome Orks]] are known to do all kinds of crazy stuff). That said, however, many gags or attempted combinations (Chaos Tau or [[{{BerserkButton}} Female Space Marines]], for instance) are {{Berserk Button}}s in certain parts of the fandom, and will throw even otherwise normal gamers into SHFG-worthy rages. Ultimately, it comes down to presentation, sensibility, and the type of people you play with.
* HeroesOfMightAndMagic. If you didn't use the Armageddon + magic immune Black Dragons combo you're just completely devoid of common sense.
** Worse yet: In ''HeroesOfMightAndMagic V'' there are people who actually come with arguments of how the Dungeon faction, specialist in destruction magic, is now completely ruined and obviously inferior to any other faction using destruction magic because other Heroes don't have a natural skill that pierces magic resistance, and thus, the Black Dragon's magic immunity, regardless of the fact that Warlocks, the Dungeon heroes, does from 50% to 200% more damage with destruction and receives way more Spell Power than any other faction hero save necromancers, and these are better off debuffing enemy armies and raising back theirs than wasting their mana in damaging spells. Trying using a destruction spell that isn't Armageddon didn't cross anyone's mind apparently.
*** Not to mention that this Necromancer strategy is the only valid strategy for necromancers. God forbid you don't use Raise Dead, and not getting this spell in the Magic Guild is obviously no excuse.
* In ''SupremeCommander'', if you don't use your Commander as a heavy tank destroying heavy platform in the early game, you're obviously trying to lose. Also building anything else than light tanks and engineers in the early game. Or using any other strategy than the siege bot spamming in the late game.
** Unfortunately (Or fortunately, depending on your tastes) [[StrawmanHasAPoint due to the way the original ''SupremeCommander'' was designed, if you didn't follow the above advice and someone else did, you were almost guaranteed to lose on most maps]]. It wasn't just good strategy: it was pretty much a required set of tactics and it came down to who could do the above tactics better... Fortunately, the expansion, Forged Alliance, added some new units and shook things up a bit, variety-wise, but the tactics still remain ingrained deeply in the community.
* Let's not even begin with ''CommandAndConquer'' itself. Didn't maximize the ore income in the beginning of the game with 3+ refineries? You lose. Didn't immediately begin to spam your basic tank? You lose. You actually bothered with human soldiers? You're so noob it hurts the pro's mother.
* ''{{Starcraft}}'' is a unique RTS in the sense that it requires the same twitch reflexes usually associated with {{FPS}}ers and {{Fighting Game}}rs. Your commands per second is less than 3? What are you doing wasting the professional's time and ruining their fun? You're not even worth thinking about. Didn't know that to defeat a 6 zergling zerg you only need a Zealot and a shield recharger... plus inhumanly reflexes capable of attacking the zerglings, landing exactly 2 hits and retreating before they can gank your zealot, ganking the zerglings with your probes as the zealot retreat, while recharging the zealot's shield? Even south koreans babies are born knowing that. You don't deserve to exist if you didn't know that.
** Thankfully though, ''{{Starcraft}}'' generally manges to avert the trope since the best players play professionally and don't have time to be on the same server as the average players. The best average players can't invoke this trope since they are far and away worse than the pros.
*** The best average players (and not only) ''shouldn't'' invoke this trope, since they are far and away worse than the pros. Of course, it still happens. Continuously.
*** They also avert it in that top players are always coming up with very inventive tactics to win matches, to the point that there really has never been one "best unit"
* Five rules for being a welcome member in the ''AdvanceWars'' communities: never mention Snipers, never play in FogOfWar, never play with navy, never say you can beat a competent player's [[ZergRush infantry spam]] without [=CO=] abuse, and if you don't want to be marked as a {{Scrub}}, never ever (in ''Days of Ruin'') choose No [=CO=] just because you only have to pay a minor price for the ridiculous boosts you get for [=COing=] a unit and surrounding units, or even complain about said ridiculous boosts. In short, ''do not complain about the blatant FakeBalance''.
** Though mentioning Snipers isn't a rule in game, it's just for the sake of your, and the forum's, sanity.
* If you play ''{{Worms}}'' and you don't use rope every turn, use certain weapon combinations or get to the crates in time, God have mercy on your soul. Playing an online version with a mic (such as the Xbox Live Arcade versions) gets even worse, as you'll get several [=SHFGs=] yelling at you for every minor step you take, [[WallBanger even if you're winning the match.]]
* {{Spore}}, while rather simple, tends to attract this with it's expansion ''Galactic Adventures''. Granted, making an adventure is actually pretty easy thanks to the editor, and yes people should put in more effort to make something that isn't a Clark & Stanley knock off, however, not everyone likes to make a serious and grim quest or attack-based mission/adventure. In fact, most complaints in the forum that don't regard Maxis/EA are about the fact that there aren't a lot of "serious adventures" (when you have already factored in SturgeonsLaw, of course), even though just about everyone (and possibly every type of gamer) plays this game...
** And let's not even discuss the [[InternetBackdraft creations, the way you should play the game, how the game is, or anything of that matter, shall we?]]
* If you play ''any'' game in the ''FireEmblem'' series, you'd better not go on any fan forums and mention using any character that isn't [[CharacterTiers high tier]], and you better not say you didn't use a top tier character. If you do, expect to get flamed about why "X is terrible, Y is so much better" and "You're such a noob for not using Z".
* If you don't play ''{{Civilization}}'' at the highest difficulty setting using a build order that has been mathematically proven to be the absolute best then you're a brain-dead sub-human. If you play at any difficulty level below Prince then, sorry but you're too stupid to play ''Civ'' and should buy a game more to your level like ''Barney Teaches Numbers'' or something.
** Other ways [[StopHavingFunGuys to have other people call you a noob]] in Civilization online: Custom name your cities, chat in the chat box, set the turn timer for ANYTHING under blazing speed, and trying for any victory that doesn't involve military force.
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[[folder:Web Original]]
* PlayedForLaughs in [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhmUj9QJ9RM this video]]. "THIS IS A SERIOUS GAME." Cue TheScrub being named [[StarWars Boba Fett]], steal the last kill, butt-fuck one of the characters which sets off a chain reaction, resulting in that character killing the other Stop Having Fun Guy's character.
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[[folder:Card Games]]
* ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh}}''. If any game can be considered personification of this trope, this would be it. It seems like the majority of duelists who play the game are like this, netdecking like crazy, dismissing cards that aren't TooAwesomeToUse as utter crap, and completely willing to ''rape'' the 10% of players who only play the game for fun. Flame wars have been started over duelists asking how to make a good Elemental Hero deck (considered SoBadItsHorrible among the elite), with both sides being chewed out as talentless, brainless hacks. Also the Seven Staples (A group of Broken cards) once made even the most fearsome high attack monsters like the Blue-Eyes White Dragon useless as they would be decimated the moment they are summoned by a simple pit.
** The seriousness of the fanbase is [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] in ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh GX}}'', where the main character, Judai, will regularly remind opponents that dueling is supposed to be fun. These people will always act [[SeriousBusiness shocked and amazed]], believing Judai to be foolish and childish. Judai is the source of the Elemental Hero deck to begin with, having debuted it in GX. Later, as part of his {{Deconstruction}}, Judai develops this mentality himself, and part of Season 4 is an attempt by his friends help him regain his old passion for the game.
** Interestingly, the character of Seto Kaiba from the original '''Yu-Gi-Oh''' story (who is himself an example of this trope) was inspired by one of these. [[WordOfGod according to the author]] he had once asked a friend to teach him how to play a TCG, but his friend said "Come back when you've collected 10,000 cards."
* ''MagicTheGathering'' designers call the players with the "only winning matters" mentality Spikes, in contrast to Timmies (who treat the game as a social outlet and like exciting play with big, impressive effects) and Johnnies (who treat the game as an intellectual exercise and creative medium and like unusual effects that complement each other). The design team generally tries to make sure there's something for each of these three player profiles in every expansion. Note that not all Spikes fall into this trope; see PlayerArchetypes for details.
** There is, though, a common belief among tourney players that if any card that costs four or more mana doesn't win the game for you on the spot, it should never even be put in your deck, which the more experienced tourney jocks know ain't so and casual players find laughable. The specific quote comes from Zvi Mowshowitz, long time professional magic player; but even he finds the idea laughable nowadays as seen in this [[http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/deck/10 article]].
** Particularly irritating are those who fill their decks with foreign-language cards for "variation" and almost roll their eyes out of their skulls if you have to actually ask what a particular card actually ''does''.
** There is a definite subtype of Spike, though, that loves to fill their deck with only "good" rares, barring basic lands. You're winning? Spike's attitude becomes a bit abusive and Spike acts like your deck is cheap, no matter what it's composed of. Spike is winning? Spike then becomes condescending about how "It's a shame you can't afford all the great cards like Spike can."
** To make matters even worse, there's a subset of tournament players who play in "Friday Night Magic" (the most casual of the game's nationally sanctioned tournament formats) just to boost their player rating. Why is rating important? Because a high rating can qualify you for high-level tournaments that aren't necessarily open to all players, among other things. So these players will farm rating off of any newbie or cash-poor regular who shows up at the tournament looking for a fun chance to play some ''Magic''. As if that weren't bad enough, a common response to beating the stuffing out of the "lesser" player is along the lines of "Well, you didn't lose that much rating anyway, since yours is so much lower than mine." Ignoring the fact that if you cared about your rating at all, the match might have lasted longer than seven minutes, including time to shuffle.
** Dan Shive, of ''ElGoonishShive'', reports the following dialogue following a game of ''Magic'' (he was the one using the card):
--->"That's a terrible, stupid card that sucks and should never go in any deck." "I just beat you with it." "It's still horrible."
* Try playing most card games for fun. Some like Texas Hold 'em and Poker get this treatment moreso than others. People also insult you for not playing the game correctly. Which is ironic, considering that, for the most part, the people being insulted are effectively ''handing out free money'' to the people who hate them; insulting opposing poker players for perceived mistakes can be a huge part of the MetaGame.
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-->You do realize that [[MassEffect wooing aliens]]/[[SuperMarioBrothers eating mushrooms]]/[[ModernWarfare killing passengers]] doesn't make you cool like real galactic badasses/plumbers/terrorists, right? Do you hear me? Stop having fun!
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[[AC:Anime and Manga]]
* ''[[{{Anime/Pokemon}} Pokémon]]''. Many people who are teenagers and young adults today saw this show when they were young and are surprised to know it is still running. In Japan, it even now has its own Sunday-morning programming block (Hosted by, among others, IdolSinger / {{Otaku}} / GamerChick extraordinaire Shouko Nakagawa) called ''Pokémon Sunday''.
** ''TheSimpsons'' episode "Postcards from the Wedge" had Bart wondering how the anime managed to stick around and "remain fresh" over the years. For extra points, the episode aired on the release date of ''[=~Pokémon~=] [[PokemonGoldAndSilver HeartGold/SoulSilver]]''.
** Even people who are aware of the anime's continued existence are often surprised to hear that there is still an active ''Pokémon'' [[TabletopGames/{{Pokemon}} collectible card game]] league with annual World Championships and everything.
* Any number of anime series, most notably ''{{Sazae-san}}'', ''{{Doraemon}}'' and ''[[ShinChan Crayon Shin-chan]]''.
* ''DetectiveConan'', being a [[LongRunners Long Runner]] in its original manga form, has had its anime version running from 1996 to the present with no end in sight.
* Even longer than ''Conan'', ''HajimeNoIppo''. 20 years and over 850 chapters later no one has any idea when it'll end, if ever.
* They still make ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh}}'' stuff?
** Now with [[{{Yu-Gi-ohTheAbridgedSeries}} CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES]].
* The original ''MobileSuitGundam'' debuted in 1979. They are still making new anime series, manga, spinoff AlternateUniverse works, [[{{Understatement}} merchandise]] and an OVA about building ''Gundam'' models, ''Model Suit Gunpla Builders Beginning G'', is being released on summer 2010.
* Wangan Midnight, shutoku manga started in 1993. Initial D, touge manga started in 1996. You've probably heard of them. Subject of several well-received video games and a couple of movies. Lots of confrontations, several massive accidents, several truly epic battles, tons of theorizing and pleading and griping, dozens of minor characters through the eternal revolving door. As of 2010, still going with no end in sight.

[[AC:Comics]]
* ArchieComics' ''Comicbook/SonicTheHedgehog'' comic series has been running since 1993 maintaining the same continuity from the early issues.
** It's officially the longest running comic book series based on a licensed property. [[ExecutiveMeddling It shows]].
* Heck, ArchieComics' ''Comicbook/{{Archie}}'', which has been running in the far background of comic book history for nearly 70 years.
* A good number of newspaper strips end up this way, especially if they start running low on material. ''Blondie'', for instance, has been around for over 75 years.
** Two more good examples are ''{{Peanuts}}'' and ''{{Garfield}}'' (though Peanuts has been [[AuthorExistenceFailure in reruns since 2000]]). I'm sure ''{{Marmaduke}}'' counts too (though it seems to have always been "there"). And speaking of ''Garfield'', seeing as how it's become a FranchiseZombie, there'll probably be ''Garfield'' strips being written well after Jim Davis's death.
** And let's not forget ''Gasoline Alley'', which has celebrated its ''90th'' anniversary. (What do you mean, you've never heard of it?)
** ''Nancy''. Or one of its many aliases, as it tries to avoid prosecution for terrorism, since it is obviously trying to destroy America's national sense of humor by ''never once being funny in decades''.
* Back to comic strips, some more have fallen into this trope, such as ''HagarTheHorrible'' and ''MotherGooseAndGrimm''.
* ''The Katzenjammer Kids''. 1897. Yes, that second digit was an eight. Still runs in a few papers.
* Actually, uninformed people now sometimes ask if comic books in general are still printed or if [[MarvelComics Marvel]] and [[DCComics DC]] only make movies now.
* The UK children's comics ''TheDandy'' and ''TheBeano'' are still going strong. They began in 1937 and 1938.
* ''JudgeDredd'' started in 1977 and is still going in the same continuity.
* Those ''Commando: For Action and Adventure'' comics you sometimes see at the newsagents' aren't reprints.

[[AC:{{Film}}]]
* When RupertGrint appeared on ''Live with Regis and Kelly'' to promote ''Half Blood Prince'', Regis stated his surprise at the start of the show that they were still making ''Film/HarryPotter'' films.

[[AC:{{Literature}}]]
* Quite a few people are surprised that the Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys series are still in print. Not just reprinting old stories, but still writing new issues (at a clip of about 1 book per month, which they alternate). Both series have been continuously in print since 1930.

[[AC:Live Action Television]]
* ''{{JAG}}'' catches people by surprise when they realize it lasted 10 years, far longer than most television series.
** ''{{Family Guy}}'' drew attention to this by way of having someone watching ''{{JAG}}'', and a character on the show points out that old people enjoy the familiar noise in the background their show provides.
** And its spinoffs are still going strong, on their [[{{NCIS}} eighth]] and [[NCISLosAngeles second]] seasons, respectively.
* Any number of CBS sitcoms, including but not limited to ''[[YesDear Yes, Dear]]'' (2000-2006), and ''{{The King of Queens}}'' (1998-2007), and TheDrewCareyShow (1995-2004, albeit an ABC show, it was treated poorly late in its run and the final season was burned off in the summer of 2004).
** Also, ''{{Two And A Half Men}}''
** Similarly, ''{{According to Jim}}'' (2001-2009), an ABC show.
** And ''{{Frasier}}'' (NBC)
*** The Frasier Crane character himself deserves mention. Kelsey Grammer played him from 1984 to 2004 on ''{{Cheers}}'', ''{{Frasier}}'', and a guest spot on ''{{Wings}}''.
* ''[[SeventhHeaven 7th Heaven]]'', which was on for 11 seasons of {{Anvilicious}} {{glurge}}. Notably, it would have stopped at ten... but it was [[UnCanceled renewed]] ''[[UnCanceled off the ratings for its finale]]''.
* More than a few people blinked when they heard about new seasons of ''PowerRangers'' after the mid-late '90s. Notably, the fans that are still writing fanfiction about [[MightyMorphinPowerRangers the first few seasons]].
** ''PowerRangers'' has an ''eighteenth'' season set to start in 2011.
* ''SaturdayNightLive'' occasionally does HeyIsThatStillOn gags about ''[[NoFourthWall itself]]''. ("Yeah, I thought they cancelled it after EddieMurphy, too...")
* ''[[StargateVerse Stargate]]'' has produced reactions like this; considering it's become a franchise, this is unlikely to end even after [[{{StargateSG-1}} SG-1]] was cancelled.
** While ''[[StargateAtlantis Atlantis]]'' has ended, but ''SG-1'' is [[RecursiveAdaptation still cranking out movies]], as well as branching out into an MMORPG.
** A few months after ''Atlantis''' end, [[StargateUniverse a new show]] pops up. And a film for ''Atlantis'' is in the works.
* ''Til Death'', the final nail in the {{Ugly Guy Hot Wife}} coffin which only seems to continually exist on the Fox schedule for [[MilestoneCelebration alleged future syndication revenue]], a minor fascination about Joely Fisher's breasts keeping the Internet pervert community happy, and because Fox's deal with Brad Garrett to build a post-''[[EverybodyLovesRaymond Raymond]]'' show around him was such a large money pit that the only way they could make the contract whole is to keep the show on the air despite incredible apathy for a series that makes ''{{According to Jim}}'' look like ''{{Friends}}''.
** It was eventually cancelled in 2010.
* ''LastOfTheSummerWine'' finally got cancelled in 2010, having started airing in 1973.
* The king is, of course, {{Game Show}}s. While it's commonly taken as a given that ''{{Jeopardy}}!'' (1964, but since 1984 in its current version) and ''WheelOfFortune'' (1975, counting the 1975-1992 daytime version and 1983-present nighttime version) are going to be on until the sun fizzles out into a hunk of cold rock, accidentally stumbling across a brand new episode of ''ThePriceIsRight'' (1956, 1972 in its current version) can be a very strange experience.
** It's even stranger when you see the host and realize it's Drew Carey; most people thought the show ended when Bob Barker retired.
** ''WhoWantsToBeAMillionaire'', at least the American version, is a borderline case. The show has been off PrimeTime (aside from special runs) since 2002 and fallen a long way from the buzz it had at the turn of the millennium.
* Early example: ''TheThreeStooges'', even if their golden years were the 40s, performed in various shorts and movies until 1970, when Larry Fine suffered a stroke during the filming of ''Kook's Tour''. And performed until around 1975 (or so) with Emil Sitka as the second Stooge (though they never made a movie with him in the role).
* The Canadian TV series ''The Beachcombers'' lasted nearly ''twenty years'', running from 1972 to 1990 and becoming an internationally syndicated hit in the process.
* The all-time grand high king of the LongRunners, ''(The) GuidingLight'': seventy-two years on air, over eighteen months of continuous material, and ending in late 2009; a record that would take ''decades'' for any other narrative to tie, let alone top.
** Many soap operas are longrunners. ''{{All My Children}}'' has been going since 1970, ''{{As The World Turns}}'' went from 1956 to 2010, ''{{The Young And The Restless}}'' has been around since 1973, ''{{The Bold and The Beautiful}}'' since 1987, ''{{One Life To Live}}'' since 1968, and ''{{General Hospital}}'' since 1963, to name a few of the more prominent soaps.
* Several WWE wrestlers fall into this same category; it's amazing that guys like Mark Henry (signed in 1996 to a ten-year contract, still around to everyone's amazement after that contract expired, career highlights have included a storyline in which ''he went on a date with a transexual named Sammy and another in which a relationship with an 80-year old woman led to her becoming pregnant and giving birth to a hand'') and Hardcore Holly (around since 1994, spent his first few years in WWE as a racecar driver named Bob "Spark Plug" Holly, has a long history of keeping order backstage and is well respected by other wrestlers) are still around.
** RicFlair, just for note, retired in 2008. People wrestling now grew up idolising people who idolised Ric Flair.
*** It's worth pointing out that the word "retirement" [[TenMinuteRetirement means nothing]] in the wrestling business. Ric Flair has "retired forever" at least twice before. But he doesn't hold a candle to Terry Funk, who must have retired at least five times by now.
*** And Ric Flair has unretired in 2010. Though whether or not this is a permanent or temporary unretirement remains to be seen.
** That's nothing: Lou Thesz wrestled his last match in his SEVENTIES. He wrestled his first professional match in 1932 and his last in ''1990''!
** Update! Hardcore Holly is finally ''gone'' from WWE after his contract expired.
*** Mark Henry, however, remains employed.
* Another wrestling example: {{WCW}} Saturday Night ran, under various titles, for TWENTY SEVEN YEARS on TBS.
* ''MadTV'' displays this trope as well; it's been on for thirteen years, dropped its original theme song, and has never been treated well by Fox (who finally cancelled the show in 2009). The most exposure it gets is when [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks the good old episodes]] get shown on ComedyCentral, albeit EditedForSyndication.
* Parminder Nagra had some difficulty convincing immigration officials that ''{{ER}}'' (1994-2009), the basis of her work visa, was still on when it was.
* And speaking of medical shows that once aired on NBC, ''{{Scrubs}}'' went 9 seasons in total, starting in 2001. After the writer's strike mangled the 2008 season, NBC cancelled the show. ABC uncancelled and gave it a proper eight season and a series finale, on a tighter budget. That one did well enough that they ''re-''uncancelled it for a [[ReTool retooled]] ninth season, before it was finally de-re-uncancelled.
* Another medical show, ''{{Casualty}}'', has been running on BBC One since 1986, making it the ''longest running'' medical drama in the world.
* ''StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' provides an [[BrieferThanTheyThink inversion]] of this trope. You'll find that many people who were living during its original run are under the impression that the show lasted several years because it was rerun so much in the 1970s. In reality, it ran for only three years in the late 1960s. In fact, in a 1983 interview LeonardNimoy mentioned that some people thought the show was still in production.
** Of course, that was after [[StarTrekII the second movie]]. [[HilariousInHindsight They went on to make several more movies, and a few spin-off shows that altogether continuously put out new episodes for 18 years!]]
* British sitcom ''{{My Family}}'' is still being made. The upcoming 11th series is the last that Robert Lindsay and Zoe Wanamaker have agreed to do, but that still may not stop the ever churning ''My Family'' machine...
* ''[[AmericasFunniestHomeVideos America's Funniest Home Videos]]'' has been on the air for ''twenty'' seasons!
* ''{{Cops}}'' has been on the air for twenty years now, and some people don't even know they're still making new episodes!
* ''MysteryScienceTheater3000'' was on for ten seasons on cable, and another as a local series. And people ''still'' insist that it was TooGoodToLast.
* ''{{Charmed}}'' never had anywhere near the acclaim of ''BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', and was often widely derided by critics as [[FollowTheLeader a cheap Buffy knockoff]]. Yet it lasted 8 full seasons, a full season and a half longer than ''Buffy'', and it outlasted ''{{Angel}}'' by two years.
** Also, at eight full seasons, ''Charmed'' is also the longest lasting show with all female leads (note the plural). ''Charmed'' managed to last longer than such shows as ''KateAndAllie'' (five and a half seasons), ''SexAndTheCity'' (six seasons, but in terms of number of episodes made, ''Charmed'' beats ''[=SatC=]'' by a much wider margin), ''XenaWarriorPrincess'' (six full seasons), ''CagneyAndLacey'' (six and a half seasons), ''DesigningWomen'' (seven seasons), and ''LaverneAndShirley'' (seven and a half seasons).
* ''BeverlyHills90210'' was on for the entire 90s. And now, it's been revived. [[EekTheCat When...will the hurting...stop?]]
* The {{CBC}} satirical program ''ThisHourHas22Minutes'' has been on since 1993, and many people stopped watching after Rick Mercer left in 2000.
* ''TheXFactor'', one of SimonCowell's brainchilds (brainchildren?), is still being made once a year, and seems to keep {{ITV}} afloat and churning out UK Christmas Number ones. [[RageAgainstTheMachine Well, except for 2009....]]
** And it's coming to America... don't the Americans already have ''AmericanIdol''?
* ''OneTreeHill'', particularly after it lost a lot of its viewership around its [[TVStrikes writers' strike-afflicted]] fifth season in 2008.
* ''{{Gunsmoke}}'' must've been like this during the 20 years it was on the air and not just because it set a record that ''LawAndOrder'' and ''TheSimpsons'' are just now starting to top. When ''Gunsmoke'' premiered in 1955 it stared a new genre for TV, the Adult Western. Other such shows followed only to later be cancelled as ValuesDissonance set in against the whole Western genre. But ''Gunsmoke'' kept on keepin' on, enjoying good ratings but poor demographics (most of its audience were older viewers still hoding on to the Values that were increasingly becoming more Dissonant). By the time the show was finally cancelled in 1975, ''Gunsmoke'' held the curious distintion of being both the first Adult Western...and the last.
* ''JerrySpringer'' partially subverts this because it was quite flashy and controversial back in the '90s. But [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny the shock value wore off long ago]], to the point where many people are surprised when they still stumble across it.
* {{Smallville}} has been renewed for a tenth season (and will become the longest running American sci-fi, incidentally). Most people think it stopped a few seasons ago. Not surprising, as most people stopped ''watching'' it a few seasons ago.
** Fortunately according to the show's creators, the tenth season will also be the last season.

[[AC:Music]]
* In 1955, ChuckBerry started the genre of rock and roll, becoming perhaps the single most influential person in 20th century music. It's now the 2010s, and he's still touring.
** Likewise, Little Richard (though less steady than Berry, mostly due to health).
** [[JerryLeeLewis The Killer]] is still at it, too.
* VillagePeople, although this is a lesser example because they have not released new material since 1985.
* CliffRichard! The guy had his first hit in 1958, and the jokes have been going almost as long. He probably can't die.
* The late, great Les Paul. The guy was still playing early in 2009.
** Dick Dale, another legend of guitar playing who invented the surf guitar sound of the early 1960s, is still touring as of 2009.
* The Glenn Miller Orchestra and its Air Force counterpart, Airmen of Note, are still touring, ''sixty five years'' after Miller's death.
* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Krayola Mayo Thompson/The Red Krayola]] has been making music since the 1960s, always enriching the sound with new influences, ranging from a country-rock sting in the late 1960s to a flirt with the Chicago post-rock scene in the 1990s. This often leads to older music fans finding the band's records where they least expect them.
* BobDylan's still touring and releasing albums, and will probably be doing so until the day he dies. They even call his tour the "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Ending_Tour Never Ending Tour]]:" he's been on the road continuously since 1988, and obviously intends to keep going as long as he physically can. To give you an idea, that's longer than many tropers--including quite a few who are legal adults in pretty much any jurisdiction in the world--have been alive.
* {{Rush}} has been active for 41 years with 35 years of the same lineup.
** Indeed, they just released 2 new singles on 1 June 2010, and will release a new album in 2011.
* WeirdAlYankovic is still active after thirty years.
** Adult Swim Lampshaded this with a spot that proclaimed "If we told you in 1986 that by 2006, MichaelJackson = flameout, and Weird Al = still relevant, you'd have laughed your head right off your body."
* The Strawbs might not have the profile that they did in the wake of "Part of the Union", but they are still recording albums. They are also performing a lot more than they did in their heyday, and their live sound is arguably better.
* TheBackstreetBoys. Although their mainstream days are long over, they still continue to tour and release albums and retain somewhat of a cult following.
* REO Speedwagon continues to tour, long after their 1980s heyday. Actually, they've toured continuously for ''forty years'' without a single hiatus.
* Hanson. Remember them? Three very literally boyish boys who had that one superhit about a nonsense word? That was 1997. Their 5th album came out in June 2010. Zac said in a Rolling Stone interview that he wants to be the youngest ever inductee in the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame. And the crazy thing, he actually has a realistic chance at it.

[[AC:Radio]]
* [[TheArchers The. Archers.]] Running since the early ''fifties''.
** BBC Radio 4 is full of LongRunners. If you're under forty it's quite amazing to learn how old some of the shows are. Take ''Quote Unquote'', that innocuous literary quiz that appears at lunchtimes. It's been on, with the same host (Nigel Rees), since 1976! ''[[ImSorryIHaventAClue I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue]]'' is four years older than that, and ''JustAMinute'' is five years older again (and has also had the same host (Nicholas Parsons) since its first episode in 1967). And ''Desert Island Discs'' started in 1942...
*** And ''I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue'' is a direct descendant of ''I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again'' which started in 1964.
* PaulHarvey still hosted his daily ''News and Comment'' and ''The Rest of the Story'' shows until his death in early 2009 at the age of 90.
* Radio countdown shows tend to fall into this category. Just in the CountryMusic genre alone, there is the ''American Country Countdown'', having begun in 1973 with Don Bowman as host. Bob Kingsley took over until 2006, when he was replaced by Kix Brooks of Brooks & Dunn (with Kingsley forming his own show, ''Bob Kingsley's Country Top 40''), and despite being in a much different format than Kingsley made famous, ''American Country Countdown'' shows no stopping.
** ''Crook & Chase Country Countdown'' has been helmed by hosts Lorianne Crook and Charlie Chase since 1989, although most affiliates have abandoned it in favor of Lon Helton's ''CMT Country Countdown USA'', which began three years later. The December 2009 finale of JeffFoxworthy's ''Foxworthy Countdown'' (which began in April 1999), however, may be a blessing for Crook & Chase.

[[AC:Sport]]
* The FIFAWorldCup often provokes this reaction when viewers see players who've dropped off their personal radar still playing for their countries.

[[AC:Video Games]]
* In Japan, the SegaDreamcast (which stopped hardware support circa 2001) ''still'' has games published for it (e.g. ''TriggerheartExelica'' in 2007). Although they're generally fan-made.
** ''TriggerheartExelica'' was the penultimate official game, with ''Karous'' (in March 2007) being the final game released for the system.
*** The NES and SNES are almost as bad.
*** And technically, the PlayStation2 hasn't been officially discontinued--games as recent as ''SonicUnleashed'' and ''GuitarHero Metallica'' have received PS2 versions.
**** And at E3 09, Sony outright said that if they keep making as much money off of the PS2 as they are right now, then they'll still be cranking out content for it for a long time.
**** A little research shows that the PS2 has outlived both its competitors; it was released in America in October 2000 and still cranks out a game or two every month, to the reaction of "Oh, hey, they're still making games for it!" The GameCube lasted from November 2001 to August 2007; the Xbox, 2001-2006. And some of these later games are even [[{{Persona4}} originals]], as opposed to cross-platform releases like movie tie-in games.
* ''StarCraft'' is still going strong twelve years later, especially in Korea. The sequel will only make its legacy ''longer''.
** In North America, a similar example is ''{{Counter-Strike}}'', a GameMod for the original ''HalfLife'' that's ''still'' the most popular [[FirstPersonShooter multiplayer FPS]] in the world over a decade later.
* ''BackyardSports''. The series has [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks changed]] [[ContinuityReboot so]] [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome much]] that it is unrecognizable aside from the players and the title, though.
* ''{{Meridian 59}}'', though 3DO itself has gone the way of the dinosaur, has been running on and off (mostly on) since 1996. The other [=MMORPGs=] that began in that era and are still running are... well, [[UltimaOnline tootin']] [[EverQuest popular]] in comparison.
* AsheronsCall is also often forgotten from the same era (to the point that it was left out of the previous entry) -- It recently celebrated it's 10 anniversary, still has monthly (or at least, bi-monthly) expansion patches, and is still chugging along with one of the most die hard playerbases you'll ever see.
* Hey! Sega's making [[SonicTheHedgehog4 a new 2D]] ''[[SonicTheHedgehog Sonic]]'' game in a last-ditch attempt to please the mother of all {{Unpleasable Fanbase}}s. There hasn't been a 2D Sonic on a home game console in years.
** [[SonicAdvance Nice]] [[SonicRush clarifier]].
* People are often surprised to find that ''UltimaOnline'' is still running. It lives to this very day - a little stagnant, a little outdated, but with a reasonably sized playerbase and continued supply of events and expansions.
** As a matter of fact, at least two sequels were axed by [[CashCowFranchise publisher Electronic Arts]] for fear that they would compete with the original ''UO'' for playerbase.
** Most pre-''WorldOfWarcraft'' [=MMORPGs=] can end up with this, (''{{Everquest}}'', ''CityOfHeroes''...) especially since younger games have failed in their wake.
* If we talk about H-Games, the Rance series (with SengokuRance being the lastest among them) has been around since 1989, the same year FinalFantasy series started.
** Of course, the longest one would have to be LeisureSuitLarry.
* ''{{Harpoon}}'' is still going after 20 years.
* {{Nintendo}} seems to be doing this with a number of their franchises (although some of these have been gone for so long that their recent returns can only be considered {{Revival}}s). ''{{Kirby}}'' is probably the best example, unless of course you consider the ''DonkeyKongCountry'' franchise to have remained active all these years through the likes of ''DonkeyKongJungleBeat'' and the ''Donkey Konga'' games.

[[AC:Web]]
* Go type lycos.com or altavista.com in your browser. Surprised? You probably had forgotten about them. Angelfire is also still kicking despite the demise of Geocities, though even that was only in ''2009''.
** dogpile.com too.
** tripod.com is part of lycos.com
** astalavista.box.sk is still online as well.
* The ConsoleWars may be lukewarm right now, but Sony Defense Force is still updating regularly, and [[StealthParody still an obvious yet elaborate]] {{Troll}}.

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* Amongst Fox's animated fare, ''KingOfTheHill'' has done well enough to last many seasons even though it doesn't have the apparent fan-cred of other animated prime time fare. This was actually referred to in an otherwise hotly satirical ''SouthPark'' episode "Cartoon Wars", about prime time animated shows, where animators for the show seemingly go about their business quietly. The show is usually referenced in passing in Fox's "Animation Domination" promos. Finally ended in 2009.
* ''{{Transformers}}''. No, [[Film/{{Transformers}} that]] was not a RevivalMovie.
** ''Transformers'' is an unusual example of this, as it does not continue as a single show, but rather is in a constant state of death and rebirth. To keep the concept fresh (and to [[{{Merchandise Driven}} sell more toys]]), shows and the toylines they're meant to promote usually only last about two years, and are then replaced by yet another new series. Sometimes the new series is touted as a direct sequel, while in other cases, it's an AlternateContinuity version.
*** The same could be said about {{Batman}}. Every time you think he's off the air, here comes another show.
* ''TheSimpsons''. No, [[TheSimpsonsMovie that wasn't a revival either]]. Despite its noticeable drop-off in ratings over the past decade or so, it still holds a strong following.
* TheFairlyOddParents has been in production as a full series since 2001 (with a brief hiatus from 2006-2008).
* The PBS series ''{{Arthur}}''.
* ''Bob The Builder''.
* ''EdEddNEddy'' was this until the series ended back in November 2009...over 10 years since it premiered.
* ''SouthPark'' has held this status for at least a couple of years now.
** Even moreso than {{The Simpsons}} (which was always aimed mostly at adults) considering South Park's original demographic of teenagers are now entering their 30's and some might not be that far away from having teenagers of their own. Weird.
* ''{{Rugrats}}'' was sort of like this until it was canceled in 2004. Its spinoff ''All Grown Up!'' was also like this until it was canceled in 2008.
* A good number of shows that have aired on ''{{PBS}} Kids'' such as ''{{Arthur}}'', ''BobTheBuilder'', ''Caillou'', ''TheBerenstainBears'', ''CyberChase'' and ''BetweenTheLions'' are still on and airing new episodes.

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* The 2009 Minnesota senate recount went on for eight months before Norm Coleman finally conceded to Al Franken.
* There was a time period around 2005 - 2006 (before the heavy campaigning for the '08 Presidential Election began), that people blurted out the Trope Name when someone referenced the Iraq war.
* American forces are still in Afghanistan. Still fighting, killing, and dying (which means we're definitely still on a war footing). It might be longer than Vietnam when all is said and done.
* Another US political example: the Prohibition Party still exists. They've fielded a candidate in every presidential election since 1872. Their candidate received 655 votes (nationally) in 2008.
* More of a case of Hey Do They Still Make That: Jolt Cola. Yes, the infamous "All the sugar and twice the caffeine" cola of TheEighties is still going strong in the 21st century, with new (non-cola, but still caffeinated) flavors ({{YMMV}} on how good they are). There's even a diet version, which obviously has none of the sugar. Oh, and their cans are now huge and battery-shaped. It just goes to show that just because something isn't advertised anymore doesn't mean it's gone.
* For that matter, Fruit Stripe Gum. Even though you haven't heard [[EarWorm "Yipes! Stripes! Fruit Stripe Gum!"]] on television in over a decade, it's still out there.
** They got a throwaway gag on ''FamilyGuy'' once.
* [=TaB=]. Yes, the original diet cola is still in production.
* Mello Yello. Yes, it's still made, and in fact was re-introduced in Northern and Western states in 2010 after a decade-long abscence from there.
* Famous people who are no longer in the media spotlight, especially after they've outlived most, or at least many, of their generation can evoke this response, as in, "Hey, is that person still alive?"
** KirkDouglas.
** LaurenBacall.
** FidelCastro. He's since resigned from leading Cuba however.
*** Though there are some rumors amongst the Cuban population that Fidel has already kicked it, and the government is using a double for public shots.
** Doris Day.
** HenryKissinger.
*** And this is his Magic Murder Bag.
** MargaretThatcher.
** Betty Ford, widow of Gerald Ford and founder of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Ford_Center the rehab center]].
** Eli Wallach.
** Beverly Cleary, author of the ''HenryHuggins'' series and its SpinOff the ''RamonaQuimby'' series.
** Zsa Zsa Gabor.
** I.M. Pei.
** Phyllis Diller.
** ShirleyTemple.
** Vera Lynn.
** ElizabethTaylor.
** Harper Lee of ''ToKillAMockingbird'' fame
** Joan Fontaine.
*** Also her older sister Olivia de Havilland.
** Mikhail Kalashnikov.
** Three WorldWarOne veterans: Claude Choules (Royal Navy), Frank Buckles (US Army) and Florence Green (Women's RAF).
** [[MaureenOHara Maureen O'Hara]].
** Mickey Rooney.
** Luise Rainer. If you're asking, "Who?", she was a popular actress of the 1930s who won two consecutive AcademyAwards for Best Actress (the only other actress who have done so is Katharine Hepburn). The reason you've never heard of her is that her career tanked immediately afterwards and she quit film acting. She turned 100 in 2010. In 2001 she was onstage at the Academy Awards where she was announced as "the oldest living Academy Award winner." She probably still is.
** Charles Manson. Still in prison and [[CompleteMonster unlikely to ever leave.]]
** Mikhail Gorbachev.
** Imelda Marcos, of shoes fame.
** Shimon Peres.
** Pelé.
** [[AustralianPolitics Gough Whitlam]].
** Manuel Noriega, Panamanian dictator 1983-89.
** Chuck Berry.
** Fats Domino.
** Ernest Borgnine.
** Jack [=LaLanne=], fitness expert, well into his nineties and still doing a two-hour daily workout.
** Herbert [[ThePinkPanther "Chief Inspector]] [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain Dreyfus"]] Lom
** Abe Vigoda is famous for three things: playing Sal Tessio in ''TheGodfather'', playing Detective Fish in ''BarneyMiller'' (and being popular enough to get his own short-lived SpinOff), and since 1982, deliberately invoking this trope every time he shows up (whether in a film {{Cameo}}, a commercial, or late night talk show appearance, usually on ConanOBrien). It started when People magazine erroneously printed his obituary in 1982 and has continued because he's always looked like he's on death's doorstep, even when he first became famous...in the 1970s.
*** There's even a [[http://www.abevigoda.com/ffb.php website]] dedicated to informing people that yes, Abe Vigoda is still alive.
**** "Reload page for update."
** Similarly, Clive Dunn who played "doddering old man" roles in British sitcoms in the 1960s (most famously Corporal Jones in Dad's Army) when actually in his forties, and retired in 1984.
** Deborah Cavendish, Duchess of Devonshire; née Deborah Freeman-Mitford -- the last surviving Mitford sister.
** Robert Vaughn, last surviving member of ''TheMagnificentSeven'' (but not yet its last surviving cast member, see Eli Wallach above).
** Eve Marie Saint.
** Celeste Holm.
** Ariel Sharon. Sadly he's arguably suffering a FateWorseThanDeath.
** Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, a.k.a. Carlos the Jackal. Imprisoned in France since 1994.
** Alain Delon.
** Neil Armstrong. In fact, eight of the twelve Apollo moonwalkers are still living 40 years later, though only Buzz Aldrin gets much publicity.
** Osama Bin Laden (probably).
* Big Boy restaurants. Almost everyone has seen the Big Boy statue with his checkered overalls and a burger in one hand, but an extremely large number of restaurant closings in most markets has left many people unaware that they still exist. The few remaining ones are mostly in California (Bob's Big Boy), Michigan (just "Big Boy," formerly Elias Brothers), and Frisch's Big Boy of Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana.
** Similarly, Stuckey's, a Southern-based gift shop/restaurant/gas station. A ton of them closed in the seventies and eighties due to chain mismanagement, and they have all but disappeared from everywhere but the South. Still, the pecan logs and Stuckey's branded candy are still around, even if most remaining Stuckey's franchises are little more than a few aisles of candy in a convenience store; most of the in-house Stuckey's diners were long ago replaced with Dairy Queen.
** And for that matter, Howard Johnson's restaurants. The restaurant chain was nearly killed when Marriott closed ''all'' of the company-owned restaurants in 1985, then sold the franchised restaurants and the motels to two different companies. Since the 1980s, the franchisees closed off one by one, and the company that owned them went under; Cendant, which owns the (relatively unscathed) motel chain, is now in control of the ''three'' remaining [=HoJo=] restaurants.
** Wimpy was once probably the UK's biggest and best-known hamburger restaurant chain. It lost ground in the late-1980s when [=McDonalds=] seriously expanded their UK operations and Wimpy's then-owner converted many branches to Burger King. However, some remained- surprising those who thought it had been killed off completely- and more recently it has reverted to its "classic" 70s/80s branding, and has even started ''expanding'' again...
** Hot 'n Now, a burger chain begun in Kalamazoo, Michigan in 1984 and noted for being a drive-thru-only operation along the lines of Rally's/Checkers. Pepsico (which, at the time, owned KFC, Taco Bell and Pizza Hut) bought the chain in 1990 and expanded it vigorously, but it imploded in 1997 and got sold several times. The last known count was ''six'' open locations, all but one of which is in Michigan.
* The Korean War. An armistice was declared in 1953, and no one [[strike: bothered]] was able to officially end the war. In 2009 North Korea actually withdrew from the armistice, so North and South Korea are, technically, completely at war again.
* Another cola: Moxie has been in production since 1876. You read right, 19th century. Fell behind fairly early in the cola wars but still holds regional popularity in New England. There is even some talk of attempts to market it to a wider public in the future.
* The United States accidentally spent ''twenty-eight years'', from 1950 to 1978, in an official [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_emergency#United_States state of emergency]] because Congress didn't think to check.
* British company Premier Foods' business includes a strong element of this trope as they're well known for acquiring "nostalgia" brands popular from the post-WWII era through to the 1980s. Yes, Angel Delight, Mother's Pride, Marvel dried milk and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKt-KR1TsRg Smash]] are [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_foods#Operations still being made]] and many have enjoyed a revival during the 2008 recession.
* There's a court case in Virginia that has been pending for over [[BeyondTheImpossible a hundred years.]] The reason? An attempt to set the [[WhatAnIdiot legal value of pi at three.]]
* The Democrat candidate in California's 2010 gubernatorial election is ''Jerry Brown.'' Yes, ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW8UlY8eXCk that]]'' Jerry Brown.
* {{Drive-In Theater}}s. Not nearly as ubiquitous as they once were, but nearly every state in the U.S. has at least one operational one. New ones have even opened.
* Vinyl records. [=MP3=]s and [=iTunes=] have been killing the CompactDisc, but good ol' vinyl has been making a comeback in the 21st century.
* IGA supermarkets. Their numbers have dwindled in recent years, but they are still especially common in small towns across the United States.
* Anacin aspirin, as discussed in ''FamilyGuy''.

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[[folder: Anime]]
* [[{{Trigun}} Vash and Knives are brothers.]] And they are [[{{Immortality}} immortal]] too.
* ''{{Bleach}}'': Aizen is the BigBad.
* ''SailorMoon'' (first season): Usagi [[ChangelingFantasy is the moon princess]] everyone's been looking for. This, along with other plot points, is [[{{Macekre}} ruined in the English dub, as well as a few other dubs]] by being revealed to the viewers in the first episode in a scene that didn't appear until ''much'' later originally.
** Also, Tuxedo Mask is Mamoru in disguise.
** Additionally, Chibi-Usa from the second season is their daughter from the future, which isn't outright said until around 3/4's of the way through R.
** Plus, all the Senshi's true identities are not typically spoiler marked, which are all spoilers (with the possible exception of Pluto), but it is most egregious in the case of Hotaru/Sailor Saturn, which is a fairly monumental [[TheReveal reveal]]. The fact that alot of promotional material shows them in Senshi form, and they then look identical, kind of ruins it even for the average joe.
*** Sailor Pluto doesn't get the same treatment in this regard due to the fact that she's shown as a Senshi First, then appears as a civilian in the next arc. We're already familiar with her appearance by this time it's obvious who she is.
* ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh}}'': The card game Duel Monsters is based on ancient Egyptian "shadow games". This isn't revealed until the beginning of Battle City in the original version, but the American adaptation gives you this fact in the second episode. (It's [[DubInducedPlotHole mysteriously still treated as a surprise]] when it happens then.)
** Actually the intros to the earlier episodes in Japanese did somewhat spoiled it already, or did it just mention sorcerers in ancient times?
*** It mentions (paraphrased) 'A game popular in Egypt that could predict the future known as the Game of Darkness.'
* ''SpeedRacer'': Unknown to Speed, Racer X is Speed's older brother Rex who ran away from home. The constant mentioning of the fact that Racer X is Speed's older brother Rex by the narrator wouldn't be so bad, if he didn't seem to treat the fact that Racer X is actually Rex, the older brother of Speed as such a frickin' revelation ''every single time''. The fact that "Racer X" (in fact the older brother of Speed, Rex) is also pronounced identically to "Racer Rex" just makes the revelation that Racer X is in fact a disguise worn by Speed's older brother Rex even worse. The 2008 LiveActionAdaptation movie handles this- the surprise twist that Racer X, unknown to Speed, is in fact his missing older brother Rex Racer- in a much better manner, but saying more would be a {{Spoiler}}.
** ''DextersLaboratory'' spoiled this in making [=DeeDee=] "Racer D" in their homage, and is a lot more blatant about it.
* ''{{Naruto}}'': Sasuke pulls a FaceHeelTurn.
* ''NeonGenesisEvangelion'' is a weird example. Everyone remembers what everything ''looked'' like, but no one could [[MindScrew understand what was happening]]. Most people after seeing it for the first time would conclude that [[KillEmAll everyone dies]].
** Mostly everyone knows that the last two episodes are some sort of therapy/recap that's supposed to mean something. Just... ''something''.
** [[HumansAreCthulhu Humanity is the eighteenth Angel.]]
** Instrumentality means everyone gets hugged and turns into Tang. It even got a trope named after it before it was renamed to AssimilationPlot for being a huge spoiler.
* [[JoJosBizarreAdventure Dio Brando]] [[TimeStandsStill stops time.]]
** [[MemeticMutation ZA WARUDO]]
* ''{{Bokurano}}'': Piloting the giant robot costs the pilot their life. Many that get into the series don't even know this was ever a spoiler.
* ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha.'' Fate, Hayate and the Wolkenwritter all do a HeelFaceTurn and join the core cast.
* ''{{Slayers}}'': Xellos is a Monster / Mazoku.
* ''OuranHighSchoolHostClub'': Haruhi is a [[DroppedABridgetOnHim girl]]. Funimation spoiled this in their descripion for the first episode.
* ''{{Monster}}'': The little boy that Tenma saves in the first few episodes, Johan, is the titular monster.
* ''{{Negima}}'': Setsuna is a half-demon, and on the same side as the good guys[[hottip:* :yes, it was a twist when it first happened]].
** Fate was not just some mook. Looking around this site you'd think it was obvious early on.
* [[CodeGeass Lelouch dies]] [[SuicideByCop by Suzaku's hand]] - [[ThanatosGambit and that's exactly]] [[SilentScapegoat how he wanted it.]]
* ''{{Gekiganger 3}}'', ''MartianSuccessorNadesico'''s ShowWithinAShow has one, both in the ''Nadesico'' universe and in RealLife: Joe dies. Considering this came up in Ep. 3 of ''Nadesico''...
* [[DragonBall Piccolo and Vegeta]] each undergo a HeelFaceTurn.
** Goku and Piccolo are aliens.
** Goku is the Super Saiyan. And so is every other living Saiyan in the series.
* ''{{Pokemon}}'': Ash dies in the first movie then gets resurrected. Paul has a brother. Misty leaves to be a gym leader.
** ''PokemonSpecial'': Yellow is a [[SweetPollyOliver girl]]. Silver and Blue are related to Team Rocket. Silver's father is Giovanni.
** ''PokemonDiamondAndPearlAdventure'': Mitsumi was apart of Team Galactic.
* ''SchoolDays'': Makoto cheats and dies. Also, a [[MemeticMutation Nice Boat]] appears.
* ''HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi'' Mion has a twin, people die but they [[IGotBetter get better]], Rika's the actual protagonist, Satoshi's alive, and Takano's the BigBad.
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* ''Comicbook/{{Spider-Man}}'': Gwen Stacy is killed during a battle between Spider-Man and the Green Goblin. It was, in fact, hyped with TonightSomeoneDies, but in the days when fans [[SarcasticConfession would be likely to assume a trick]].
* ''TeenTitans'': in the mid-80's ''Teen Titans'', the perky blond superheroine Terra is TheMole, and is plotting for her entire stay in the comic to lead the Titans into a trap and get them killed, all for her boyfriend... Slade. {{Squick}}. Since this was pre-FrankMiller and DarkerAndEdgier, this had an even bigger HSQ than the above Gwen Stacy event.
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[[folder: Film]]
* Filmsite.org has [[http://www.filmsite.org/greattwists.html an extensive list]] of film spoilers, [[TheReveal reveals]], and surprise endings.
* ''CitizenKane'': Rosebud was his sled. Although he provided the trope name in the formerly above quote, [[FamilyGuy Peter Griffin]] was not the first to spoil it -- that ship sailed for good when Charles Schulz, with uncharacteristic thoughtlessness, gave it away in a 70s ''{{Peanuts}}'' [[http://comics.com/peanuts/1973-12-09/ strip]].
** Better yet, Schulz spoiled it A SECOND TIME in the 1990's, with a virtual rerun of his original 70's spoiler (the sequel featured the character "Rerun", ironically).
** It was spoiled by ''[[McDuck Don Rosa]]'' in the final chapter of ''The Life & Times of Scrooge McDuck'' (or rather, the author's introduction to it), although were too young to get the reference and didn't realize it [[LateToThePunchline until later]].
** Many of us who grew up in the 1980s had this ruined for us by an episode of ''TheRealGhostbusters'' cartoon, where the ghost was that of Charles Foster Kane and he was convinced to stop haunting at the end when he was ''given the sled back''! Seriously.
** And those who spent the early nineties watching afternoon television got it spoilt by an episode of ''{{Columbo}}''. 'Rosebud' is the control word for the dogs used to commit the murder.
*** ''TinyToonAdventures'' spoiled it [[WholePlotReference pretty good too]] back then.
** Olsen & Johnson spoiled this ''the same year Citizen Kane came out in 1941'' in ''Hellzapoppin,'' when Chic Johnson bumps into the sled and says "Thought they burned that..." (seen at 8:33 [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8okW69O4mY here]])
** Julie Brown ended her song "The Homecoming Queen's Got a Gun" with her friend Debi gunned down during her shooting spree - as she lays dying she croaks "I did it...for Johnny!". Julie is puzzled; she doesn't know any Johnnys, and exclaims "Omigod, this is just like that movie Citizen Kane where you later find out Rosebud was a sled? But we'll never know who Johnny is, 'cause, like...she's dead!"
** ''MoreInformationThanYouRequire'' did ''not'' spoil it. Because the book consists entirely of [[LittleKnownFacts lies]], we are told that "Rosebud" was William Randolph Heart's nickname for TheodoreRoosevelt.
** Also spoiled in an ''{{Animaniacs}}'' [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQzKZE85JzQ intro]].
** Craig Ferguson references this during one of his email/twitter sessions on ''TheLateLateShow''.
** Spoiled by ''FamilyGuy'' (although unless you knew it was ''CitizenKane'' then you were left wondering what the actual joke is.
** Unless...you are one of the folks who believe the urban legend that "Rosebud" is just William Randolph Hearst's nickname for Marion Davies'...ahem.
** Also spoiled in ''TheSopranos''. The female characters are shown watching it, and the ending is very clearly shown. Adriana remarks, "So ItWasHisSled, huh?"
* ''[[StarWars The Empire Strikes Back]]'': [[LukeIAmYourFather Luke is the son of Darth Vader]]. Although really, "vader" is Dutch for "father", so it shouldn't have come as that much of a shock.
** WordOfGod has it that George Lucas came up with the name by mashing random syllables together until [[RuleOfCool he found something that sounded cool]], and the Dutch thing is a coincidence.
** The third season ''TheSimpsons'' episode "I Married Marge" has a flashback where the young Homer spoils this for a long line of moviegoers by coming out of the cinema and exclaiming loudly "I can't ''believe'' that Darth Vader turns out to be Luke's father!" Cue groans, and the line grumpily dispersing.
--->'''Guy in line:''' ''Thanks, Mr. Blow-The-Picture-For-Me!''
** Humorously spoiled in the ''FamilyGuy'' "A New Hope" parody (a whole movie early) when Luke's aunt tells him to "remind your uncle Owen not to tell you that Darth Vader is your father."
** ''ReturnOfTheJedi'':
*** Leia is Luke's sister. And Mark Hamil hints at this before the movie opens. Lampshaded in a Luke\Leia toy release. Now completely spoiled and no longer a point of suspense, as episodes 1-3 lay this out clearly.
** For the prequel trilogy, the fact that Darth Sidious is Senator Palpatine is the Emperor.
*** Though it may not be ruined, since it is thought among many fans that the films should be watched in production order, thus retaining the suspense.
*** So long as people ignore the fact that Sidious and ''RotJ'' Palpatine have identical height, voice, and dress sense, and that both are Dark Lords of the Sith (well, Emperor Palp is at least strong in the DarkSide).
** The background music gives it away, playing the Emperor's leitmotif during all of Sidious and Palpatine's scenes. Even if you don't yet know what he'll become, it's pretty clearly the same guy.
** They do make some attempt to hide it by not including Darth Sidious in the credits.
*** Although this is in no way a surprise to anyone that's read...pretty much any EU novel..cause almost every reference to the Emperor by name as Palpatine.
* ''TheCryingGame'': Dil [[DroppedABridgetOnHim isn't the usual sort of woman]].
** See AllThereIsToKnowAboutTheCryingGame.
** This one was also on an episode of the ''TheSimpsons'', where Mayor Quimby announced it to the people in a speech.
* [[FridayThe13th Friday the 13th]]: His mom killed them.
* ''MButterfly''. Song [[DroppedABridgetOnHim isn't either]]. The clue is in the title: where the opera was called ''MadameButterfly'', the play (and DavidCronenberg film based thereon) use a far more ambiguous abbreviated honorific.
* ''{{Psycho}}'': Norman Bates's murderous mother is actually Norman's other personality. The murder itself, [[SacrificialLion killing off the hitherto most important character halfway through the movie]], was originally meant to be a surprise, too.
* ''{{Film/Soylent Green}}'' is people!
** Although in the book it's ''soy''beans and ''lent''ils. (Soylent Red adds coloring to make it look more like meat.)
** Sadly enough, the big twist can be ruined [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giss0vmT1JU&feature=player_embedded by the goddamn trailer]] if you happened [[TrailersAlwaysSpoil to put two and two together.]] (At 2:20 or so into the trailer, you can see Charlton Heston sneaking into a factory where there are inconspicuous white body bags on a conveyor belt. [[SarcasmMode Wonder what those could be?]])
* The ''PlanetOfTheApes'' is [[PlanetOfTheApesEnding really a post-apocalyptic Earth]].
** The final reveal of this one is frequently blown in the advertisement or DVD cover...
** It was well-known enough for MelBrooks to parody the ending in ''{{Spaceballs}}''.
** And for ''TheSimpsons'' to parody the ending as a musical {{Show within a show}} starring Troy [=McClure=] as Colonel Taylor, complete with a Statue of Liberty prop rising in the background as he sang, "Oh my god! I was wrong./It was Earth all along."
** Of course, the very existence of EarthAllAlong spoils this.
* In ''OldYeller'', the kid has to ShootTheDog after it gets infected with rabies. Literally.
* ''TheThirdMan'': Orson Welles' character isn't dead.
* ''TheSixthSense'': Bruce Willis, however, was dead the whole time.
** Also, "I see dead people" was supposed to be a twist, explaining what the heck was going on for the first half of the movie, but [[TrailersAlwaysSpoil it was featured in the trailers.]]
** Spoofed in ''MockTheWeek'': "We interrupt this showing of ''TheSixthSense'' to bring you some breaking news: Bruce Willis is a ghost!"
* ''TheWizardOfOz'' is, in both the film and the book, just an American con man. Also, in the movie (and [[AdaptationDecay only the movie]]), it was AllJustADream, "a wonderful dream."
* ''{{Casablanca}}'': Rick lets Ilsa go to be with her husband, who needs her to inspire his fight against the Nazis, and then he and Louis go to Brazzaville, fight more Nazis, and have a [[HeterosexualLifePartners beautiful friendship]].
** This might have been less of a twist to contemporary audiences, as there would be no way to get a wife abandoning her husband past the censors of the time without killing off Victor.
** It was a twist to the both cast and crew as well, since the writing team couldn't decide which man Ilsa would end up with until more than halfway through filming.
* The ''DisneyAnimatedCanon'' has plenty, in part because it frequently draws from older sources. A few of the more famous include:
** ''Disney/SnowWhite'': That apple [[DisneyDeath didn't really kill Snow White]]. All she needed was [[TrueLovesKiss True Love's First Kiss]] to wake up.
** ''Disney/{{Pinocchio}}'': Picocchio [[BecomeARealBoy becomes a real boy in the end]].
** ''{{Dumbo}}'': Dumbo can use his big ears to fly.
** ''{{Bambi}}'': Bambi's mother dies.
** ''Disney/SleepingBeauty'': Princess Aurora is awakened by the Prince's kiss.
** ''TheLionKing'': Mufasa dies. Unlike in [[{{Hamlet}} the source material]], however, (but quite like the source material's source material), the hero becomes king and lives HappilyEverAfter.
* ''KingKong'': He climbs to the top of the Empire State Building and gets machine-gunned by aeroplanes until he falls down. But it wasn't the airplanes. It was Beauty killed the Beast.
** Token PennyArcade, [[http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/12/5/ played straight]].
* [[http://snake.phys.lsu.edu/~gclayton/film-endings.html This comprehensive list]] of {{Twist Ending}}s from ''The New York Times''.
* ''{{Titanic}}'': Besides [[ForegoneConclusion the obvious]], it's become well known that Rose had the jewel the whole time (to the point that the final scene was parodied in an insurance ad).
** Also mentioned in the music video for "Ooops, I Did It Again," by Britney Spears.
* Even first-time viewers of ''Film/{{Alien}}'' these days are not surprised by the chestbursting scene.
* ''{{Terminator}} 2'': [[HeelFaceTurn Arnold's the good guy in this one]]. Most people don't even ''know'' that was supposed to be a surprise, as [[TrailersAlwaysSpoil the marketing totally ruined it]].
* In ''FightClub'' Tyler Durden is the Narrator's split personality. Thank you, Rosie O'Donnell.
** The good news, if you've see this spoiler and have not yet seen FightClub, is that the movie continues to be ''plenty'' interesting after this is revealed.
* ''TheUsualSuspects'': Verbal Kint is really Keyser Soze.
* ''TheFly''. In the original version the fact that the teleporter combined the MadScientist with a fly is supposed to be a huge surprise. Even though it's in the title.
* ''TheWickerMan''. They burn the policeman. In a big wicker man.
* ''StarTrek [[StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan II: The Wrath of Khan]]''. Spock dies (until [[BackFromTheDead the sequel]]).
** The makers try to mess with us here: The news that Spock's death was planned leaked fairly early on in development, so the first scene (the famous ''KobayashiMaru'' scene) was edited so that most of the characters (including Spock) 'died'. After the sim ends, Kirk even asks Spock: ''"Aren't you dead?"'' This was to preserve the twist; first-time moviegoers would assume the spoilers referred to this scene, and would then be surprised when Spock died For Real This Time. Today no one notices ''any'' of this.
** In the 2009 {{Film/StarTrek}} movie, people began discussing Spock Prime's appearance almost as soon as the film opened. In fact, [[YouShouldKnowThisAlready Nimoy and Quinto appeared on late-night talk shows together]]. Good job, Paramount marketing!
*** Nimoy was on the cast list on IMDB long before the movie came out.
** People also heard right away about [[EarthShatteringKaboom Vulcan getting destroyed by the villain]], and even the detail about [[AnyoneCanDie Amanda's death]].
* An odd one here is ''{{Scanners}}''. The fact that [[YourHeadASplode one dude's head explodes]] has become an [[MemeticMutation cultural meme]], but a lot of people don't know that it's from this film. Once the scene starts, however, everyone recognizes the guy (he looks a little like Dr. Phil), says "Oh, it's from ''this'' movie!", and knows how the scene will end.
** In addition, ''WaynesWorld'' spoiled this scene when Garth is left to carry the show.
-->'''Camera Guy''': "Remember that scene in ''Scanners'' when that dude's head blew up?"
-->''Cut to Garth shaking''
* ''{{Videodrome}}'' gives you brain tumours. [[MindScrew May]][[UnreliableNarrator be]].
* ''TheCabinetOfDrCaligari'': Francis is insane and the whole thing is his [[TalkativeLoon babbling]]. The real cabinet is in his head, and vice versa.
** His head's in the cabinet?
* ''{{Nosferatu}}'': Orlok is killed by [[ItBurns sunlight]].
* Although ''DrStrangelove'' regains the ability to walk, the mission to prevent TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt is a failure, and the film ends with footage of nuclear explosions while "We'll Meet Again" [[SoundtrackDissonance plays]].
** Additionally, he stops worrying and learns to love the bomb.
* ''{{Network}}'' has Howard Beale murdered live on TV.
* ''WhenAStrangerCalls'': The calls are coming from inside the house.
* Sidney Poitier gets a coffee mug with ''To Sir, With Love'' written on it from one of his students.
* [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment And while we're on the]] [[ParentalIncest subject]], [[{{Chinatown}} Noah Cross had a daughter with his daughter]]. And TheBadGuyWins.
* ''TheStepfordWives'' are actually highly sophisticated [[RoboticReveal animatronics.]]
* Princess Fiona in ''{{Shrek}}'' has a curse that turns her into an ogre at night. In the end, she marries Shrek and becomes an ogre full-time. Less of a memetic spoiler than most, but it's pretty obvious now that the sequels are out.
** Actually, it's implied that she actually ''is'' an ogre, and had a spell cast on her to make her beautiful during the day. Shrek's kiss broke that spell.
* ''GoneWithTheWind'': As mentioned in the Literature section, everybody should know by now that Rhett leaves Scarlett in the end, thanks to the immortal line "Frankly m'dear, I don't give a damn".
* {{Satan}} is the father of ''[[RosemarysBaby Rosemary's Baby]]''.
* In ''Paranoiac'', Oliver Reed's character knows that that newcomer isn't really his long-lost brother because he's actually killed the brother and hidden the body in the garage.
* TheMatrix is a giant computer simulation that we're all stuck in because because the humans lost the war with the machines; it turns out Neo is the one, comes back from the dead and then destroys Agent Smith.
* TheVillage is a modern day nature preserve. And the Monsters are really the Town Elders.
* ''ABeautifulMind'': John Nash has schizophrenia.
* [[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1101026/ Admiral]] became a TropeNamer for this in Russia after some blogger posted a review saying: "The ending is a bit predictable. Somewhere around the middle I got a feeling that in the end [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Kolchak Kolchak]] will be shot. [[CaptainObvious And so he was.]]" Since most people in Russia know Kolchak's fate [[DidNotDoTheResearch since school]], that review became a meme.
* ''NorthByNorthwest'': Eve is a ReverseMole working for the United States. The movie ends with a fight on the top of Mount Rushmore.
* ''TheGraduate'': Ben breaks up Elaine's wedding and they ride away on a bus. They look completely uncomfortable with each other in the final shot.
* ''OneFlewOverTheCuckoosNest'': Most of the inmates in the hospital are there voluntarily, and are not committed. Jack Nicholson's character is lobotomized and then mercy-killed at the end.
* ''TheWizardOfOz'': The WickedWitch dies. It was AllJustADream
* Are you watching a SherlockHolmes film? Then there is a 99% chance that the villain will turn out to be James Moriarty, even if that's not what he's calling himself at the moment.
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[[folder: Literature]]
* ''TheStrangeCaseOfDoctorJekyllAndMrHyde'': [[JekyllAndHyde The two title characters are the same man]]. This was a TwistEnding in the original novel, but it's so well known today, all of the adaptations make it part of the plot from the beginning. Because of this, some people are unaware that it ever ''was'' a twist.
* ''TheScarletPimpernel'' is Sir Percy Blakeney. Once again, in the original book, the reader doesn't discover this fact until Percy's wife does, but this has become another case where the twist is so well-known that most TV and film adaptations reveal it at the very beginning.
* ''HarryPotter and the Half-Blood Prince'': "Snape kills Dumbledore" quickly became an [[http://xkcd.com/109/ internet meme]] within days of the book's release.
** In its 18th season, {{The Simpsons}} pretty much validated this spoiler during an episode in which Homer read the latest ''Angelica Button'' book to daughter Lisa. Later he skipped ahead, then announced, "They killed [headmaster] Greystache!"
*** Or in the 21st season, where, upon finishing describing his latest plan to Bart, Sideshow Bob says "It'll be the greatest murder since ''Snape killed Dumbledore''!" Bart hadn't read that far yet; Bob protests that it's a four-year-old book, and Bart responds by saying he's a slow reader.
** Now the only spoiler is what really happened: [[spoiler:"Snape ''euthanizes'' Dumbledore"]]! Which is pretty well-known, too, now. [[spoiler: In other words, Snape was really working for Dumbledore the entire time.]]
*** The fact is somewhat foreshadowed in the sixth movie, where Snape asks Dumbledore [[spoiler: "Do you ever thing that you ask too much?" Refering to Dumbledore asking him to fulfill his role to the letter, including helping kill him, since that was Draco's mission.]]
* ''TheWheelOfTime'': Rand al'Thor is [[TheChosenOne the Dragon Reborn]]. Although it's pretty evident from about a third of the way into the first book, and shortly after, confirmed by [[TheObiWant Moiraine]].
* ''AliceInWonderland'': It was AllJustADream.
** ''Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There'': Again, it was AllJustADream. But just to mess with our heads, we're left with the question "Was it Alice's dream, or the Red King's dream?"
** The Mad Hatter doesn't know why a raven is like a writing desk.
* ''Anna Karenina'': Anna commits suicide by jumping under a train. When Vladimir Nabokov taught this novel, he was particularly fond of the trope; he intentionally gave away the ending to his students before they started reading the book, so they would not focus solely on the plot.
** Focus on the ''plot'' of a Russian literary classic? [[GeniusBonus Heh...]]
* ''TreasureIsland'': The ship's cook, Long John Silver, turns out to be a pirate. Of course, these days the name "Long John Silver" is as strongly associated with piracy as Black Beard, and, in fact, the [[TalkLikeAPirate "Pirate Accent"]] was associated with piracy by a portrayal of Silver. Nowadays those who haven't read the book might be more surprised to learn he was a cook at the start - [[FridgeBrilliance which brings us to the fast food chain that bears his name...]]
** Also, Ben Gunn had the treasure all along. And John escapes with a sack of coin.
* In Len Deighton's {{Bernard Samson}} sequence, the twist at the end of the first novel, Berlin Game, is essentially given away the back cover of every subsequent novel in the sequence "Bernard Samson is a bit distraught that his wife is a traitor'.
* Parodied and subverted in ''MoreInformationThanYouRequire'', when Hodgman discusses W.R. Hearst, and reveals that "Rosebud" was Hearst's nickname for TheodoreRoosevelt.
* ''WarOfTheWorlds'': The aliens are ultimately brought down by the common cold.
* ''TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy'': The answer to the "Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything" is... [[AntiClimax 42]].
* ''NineteenEightyFour'': The Brotherhood is a trap, O'Brien works for the party, Winston tells them to do it to Julia, and in the end, he loves Big Brother.
* ''TheBible'': Jesus dies for our sins and comes back to life.
** John has a prophecy about the world ending.
* ''GoneWithTheWind:'' Rhett leaves Scarlett. That's the entire point of "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn!"
* ''TheMalteseFalcon'' is a fake. General Kemidov still has the real one. Also, Bridget shot Archer.
* HPLovecraft gives us a few:
** ''The Call of Cthulhu'': Cthulhu rises, and then goes to sleep again.
** ''The Dunwich Horror'' is the giant, invisible brother of Wilbur. Both of them are the sons of Yog-Sothoth.
** ''Pickman's Model'' is a giant ghoul.
** ''The Rats in the Walls'' are actually in his head, and [[LamarckWasRight he has inherited]] [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]] from his ancestors.
** ''The Haunter of the Dark'' is an avatar of Nyarlathotep. It drives the protagonist mad and probably eats him.
** ''At the Mountains of Madness'', there are dead aliens, and a few live ones.
** ''The Shadow Over Innsmouth'' is the fact that its townsfolk are descended from demonic fish-creatures. [[TomatoInTheMirror The protagonist is, too.]]
** ''The Whisperer in the Dark'' is that aliens have removed the man's brain and use technology to make the empty husk of his body whisper to the protagonist, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment in a dark room.]] (This was probably more of a shock in the days before the BrainInAJar trope.)
** ''The Shadow Out of Time'' is that The Great Race has been mind-switching with other species (including humans) to collect information on various species and cultures. The protagonist who underwent one such mind-swap discovers a tablet explaining English that he himself wrote buried in a millenia-old ruin.
* ''TheCryingOfLot49'': We never find out what was going on. And the book ends before the actual crying starts.
* Hate to break this to y'all, but Count {{Dracula}} is a vampire. Shocking, I know. He also turns Lucy into one. There was originally some indication that he was a werewolf.
* ''AroundTheWorldInEightyDays'', Fogg and company arrive in London apparently too late to get to the Reform Club in time in the third to the last chapter, but in the next chapter, Fogg arrives just in time win the bet. Most adaptations don't bother with this twist and just show the events that alerts Fogg that he still had time to complete the trip after all, ending with a suspenseful scene of Fogg and company's final sprint to the Reform Club.
* ''The Adventure of the Final Problem'': Sherlock Holmes and his nemesis Professor Moriarty both fall to their deaths from Riechenbach Falls.
** ''The Adventure of the Empty House'': You won't believe this, but Sherlock Holmes didn't die, he was hiding from Moriarty's henchmen.
* In the third Hercule Poirot novel, ''The Murder of Roger Ackroyd'', the murderer is the narrator. In the very last Hercule Poirot novel, ''Curtain'', the ''final'' murder is committed by the master detective, Hercule Poirot himself. Both of these break the fundamental rules of fair play in detective fiction, but in ways that still play fair.
* ''{{Twilight}}'': Edward is a vampire! (It doesn't help that this twist is spoiled on ''the book's jacket''.)
** Similiarly, in ''New Moon'', Jacob is a werewolf! Even people who haven't read the books now know this from the [[TrailersAlwaysSpoil movie trailers]].
* ''JaneEyre'': Mr. Rochester's wife is BerthaInTheAttic.
* ''FlowersForAlgernon'': [[FlowersForAlgernonSyndrome Charlie's increased intelligence is temporary]].
* ''LordOfTheFlies'': HumansAreBastards and Piggy dies.
* ''OfMiceAndMen'': George [[KillTheOnesYouLove kills Lennie]].
* The endings of EdgarAllanPoe's most famous stories are generally pretty well known. "The Tell-tale Heart": The murderer is driven to confess because he can hear his victim's heart beating. "The Cask of Amontillado": The narrator walls up his enemy in the cellar. "The Masque of the Red Death": The masked guest is the Red Death itself. "The Fall of the House of Usher": Madeline was BuriedAlive. "The Purloined Letter" was HiddenInPlainSight. And so on.
* ''The Vampyre''. [[LordByron Lord Ruthven]] is actually a vampire/vampyre.
* ''AtlasShrugged'': The world's productive businessmen are retreating to a secluded valley called Galt's Gulch, in order to remove their contribution to a world that hates them yet depends on them, until the outside world collapses and they can return as its new masters.
* ''Mahabharata'': Krishna is an avatar of Vishnu.
* ''DivineComedy'': Any modern version of the Commedia will start the book out by revealing that the main character is Dante and the forest represents the blindness of sin and the urge to commit suicide. This is probably a remnant of when Inferno got so popular it used to be sold alone because all of those facts (author as character, sin, suicide) are supposed to be surprises spelled out in detail by Beatrice in Purgatory.
* ''PrideAndPrejudice'': Elizabeth Bennet marries Mr. Darcy. Also, George Wickham is [[AffablyEvil not as amiable as he seems.]]
* ''{{Wicked}}'': Elphaba [[ForegoneConclusion dies]].
** [[spoiler:"Except in the musical, where she doesn't really."]]
* ''WizardofOz'' : The witch dies. It was NOT AllJustADream. In fact, there are sequels where Dorothy goes back.
* ''MobyDick'': The whale kills everyone but [[TheIshmael Ishmael]].
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[[folder: Live Action TV]]
* ''HappyDays'': Fonzie survives [[JumpingTheShark jumping over the shark]]. The show itself....not so much.
* Due to PopCulturalOsmosis, many of the twists of ''{{Lost}}'''s first season are well-known enough to be parodied or spoofed without regard for whether someone has seen the show. As the years go by, certain elements of the later seasons naturally become this trope as well:
** The monster in the jungle is an amorphous cloud of black smoke. Revealed in the second season, the monster's appearance (Dinosaur? Giant sloth? Robot?) was a source of almost all speculation about the show during the first season.
** John Locke was in a wheelchair before the crash and regained his ability to walk on the island. The show's first twist ending, and is now so well known that most fans forget this was ever a plot twist to begin with.
** Walt is kidnapped off the raft by the Others, who apparently resemble untamed savages. Often an example of ShallowParody, as the Others are perfectly clean and civilized individuals, but pop culture hasn't caught up to that season yet.
** The hatch is actually a research station containing a computer with a button that must be pushed every 108 minutes. Because the DHARMA Initiative is such a massive part of the show, many people forget the hatch's contents were ever a mystery.
*** The ''very fact that there is a hatch in the ground to begin with'' is an example of this trope.
** "Henry Gale from Minnesota" is in fact Benjamin Linus, certified lying bastard and leader of the Others. Like the hatch example, Ben is such a major character that many people can't remember the show without him.
* The twist endings to several episodes of ''TheTwilightZone'' have fallen victim to this. The most famous are probably the ending of "ToServeMan" ("It's a cookbook!") and [[PlanetOfTheApesEnding "I Shot An Arrow Into The Air"]].
** It's not fair! There was time now!
** I'm a pretty girl in a world of ugly pigpeople who consider themselves the standard bearers of beauty!
** Those "tiny" alien invaders attacking that poor old lady are actually Earth-men on a planet of giants!
* ''{{Dallas}}'': Kristin shot J.R.
** It was AllJustADream!
* The final ''{{Newhart}}'' has probably reached this point by now: It's all a dream of the main character of ''TheBobNewhartShow''.
** As well as the final ''StElsewhere'': It's all a fantasy of an autistic boy.
*** Oh and ''StElsewhere'' had multiple crossovers episodes of other shows, with characters from the dream being treated as real in those shows. Those show also crossover with others, to the point a good chunk of television is his dream.
** ''{{Roseanne}}'': Everything after a previously unremarkable episode had been Roseanne's idealized semi-autobiographical novel.
*** It's also suggested that the entire show was also her writing.
* In the first season of ''BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', Angel being a vampire was a big plot twist revealed mid-way through the season. Yeah.
** Oh, and [[AmberBenson Tara]] [[StuffedInTheFridge dies]]. Certainly makes some moments with her from previous seasons make you wanna kill somebody.
** By the way, Buffy dies at the end of Season 1. And at the end of Season 5.
* Certainly the sudden blackout ending of ''TheSopranos'' counts, considering how much the media talked about it.
* Susan Boyle on ''BritainsGotTalent'' looks like she's going to be one of those HopelessAuditionees. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY She isn't.]]
* [[DoctorWho Professor Yana is The Master.]]There are several of these in Classic Doctor Who, which is pretty much unavoidable since it has been running since the '60s and has over a thousand episodes, so no one is going to be watching it from beginning to end. A few dramatic moments that will have been spoiled if you go back to watch the old episodes include that The Doctor regenerates if he dies, that Romana regenerates, that Adric dies, that the Daleks will become extremely powerful, that the Time Lords will get wiped out, and many, many more.
* ''TheShield'''s twist in the pilot, where the paint-by-numbers corrupt cop with a heart of gold Vic Mackey murders in cold blood good guy cop Terry Crowley, helped elevate Michael Chiklis's character to a new level of magnificent bastardom and make the Shield not just another cop show, by sending Vic over the MoralEventHorizon and asking fans to [[ItGotWorse follow him on his way down to even further villainy]].
** Made even more surprising by the fact that Crowley is played by a semi-known actor, whose name is in the main credits, and appeared in the series' promotional material before the premiere.
* ''[[MASHTheSeries M* A* S* H]]'': Col. Blake's plane is [[McLeaned shot down]] as he's [[{{Retirony}} on his way home]].
** Also, the fighting stops.
* ''DaeJangGeum ''is a very interesting example, since it is usually only spoiled for those who understand the native Korean, but it is spoiled right there in the title. Those watching it with subtitles don't know what Dae means, and probably don't know enough Korean history to know who the historical figure is. If they can just avoid reading any description of the show, they will enjoy an incredible surprise ending.
* ''Crusade'': The ship that destroyed the Cerebus and left Gideon stranded in space was not, in fact, a Shadow ship. It was a human ship built with Shadow technology.
* ''TheFugitive'': It ''was'' the one-armed man.
* ''StarTrekVoyager'': They get back home.

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[[folder: Poetry]]
* In "Casey at the Bat", Mighty Casey strikes out.
* The Raven from "[[EdgarAllanPoe The Raven]]" stays there forever.
* Richard Cory [[DownerEnding shoots himself in the head]].
* {{Homer}}: Achilles is shot [[AchillesHeel in the heel]] and dies, the Trojan War is won when the Greeks [[TrojanHorse enter Troy inside a wooden horse.]]
* [[TheRimeOfTheAncientMariner The Mariner]] shoots the Albatross, and everyone in the ship dies but him.
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[[folder: Theatre]]
* ''AStreetcarNamedDesire'': Stanley rapes Blanche, she is institutionalized by her sister who either doesn't believe her or chooses not to, and announces that she has always depended upon the kindness of strangers.
* The endings to many of {{Shakespeare}}'s plays are well known. Most don't have an actual TwistEnding, but ''{{Macbeth}}'' comes [[NoManOfWomanBorn pretty close]]. The ending, by the way, is that [=MacDuff=] is a C-section baby, and can therefore kill [=MacBeth=].
** The ending of ''Titus Andronicus'' fits the "twist" ending well: Titus bakes the guys who raped his daughter into a pie, and [[IAmAHumanitarian feeds it to their mother and stepfather.]]
*** This was the inspiration for the ''SouthPark'' episode "Scott Tenorman Must Die".
** ''KingLear'' had a twist ending, at least at the time it was released. Theatre-goers of that time would have been extremely familiar with the story of King Lear, which, until Shakespeare, always ended with Lear being restored to his throne and ruling well until dying of old age.
*** In the original Danish legend of ''Amleth'', he kills his wicked uncle, becomes king, and lives happily ever after. Not so much in Shakespeare's [[{{Hamlet}} version]], where, as the lyrics to [[TheBandWagon "That's Entertainment"]] say, [[KillEmAll "ev'ryone ends in mince meat."]]
**** In fact, people were so used to the traditional ending that Nahum Tate changed it, and had Cordelia and Lear living happily ever after. Shakespeare's ending wasn't commonly used until the middle of the 19th century.
** [[RomeoAndJuliet Romeo]] drinks some poison and Juliet stabs herself because, in an odd twist of fate, they both think the other one is dead. Not really a twist if they tell you that in a monologue before the first act begins.
*** Pretty much the same thing occurs in ''Antony and Cleopatra''.
*** And ''WestSideStory''.
*** [[http://www.amazon.com/Romeo-Juliet-William-Shakespeare/dp/0061965499/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272506122&sr=8-16 One of the editions of the play on Amazon has a summary]]: "With family and fate determined to keep them apart, will Romeo and Juliet find a way to be together?" [[YouShouldKnowThisAlready Why bother with this question? Who doesn't know the ending already?]]
** {{Othello}} strangles Desdemona to death, then finds out she was innocent and kills himself.
* ''LaBoheme'': Mimi dies.
** ''{{Rent}}'': Mimi dies. Then gets better.
* ''WaitingForGodot'': Godot never shows up.
** ''Happy Days''. You think being buried up to your waist in sand is bad? How about being buried up to your neck?
* ''WaitingForLefty'': Lefty never shows up either, mostly because he's been shot. The cabbies strike.
* ''OedipusRex''. Oedipus married his mother. Not much of a twist considering the myth was well known before it was made into a play.
** Not being a twist is intentional. Many Classical Greek plays were written with the knowledge that their audience already knew how the events were going to unfold. {{Dramatic Irony}} is the name of the game.
* In ''Oedipus at Colonus,'' the titular character reveals that his children were the product of incest. For modern audiences this is how the myth is assumed to go, but it is presumed that an earlier version of the myth would have some or none of the children born of incest, instead the product of a polygamous marriage.
** Similarly, {{Euripides}}' version of ''{{Medea}}''. In all versions of the Medea myth, her children die but most versions have it happen by accident or bring the children back alive at the end of the story (usually because of mistaken identity). Ancient Greek audiences would have been shocked at Euripides' ending, where Medea is the willful murderess of her own sons we know today.
*** On top of that, Medea was also a shocker for Ancient Greek audiences because Euripides was one of the first Greek playwrights to show death onstage! Previously, a death would only be reported by a messenger. Medea killing her children mid-monologue would have been unheard of.
** To a lesser extent, {{Aeschylus}}' ''Agamemnon'' - in the conventional myth, the titular character is murdered by Aegisthus, with Clytemnestra as his accomplice. Clytemnestra being the sole murderer would have been a surprise to a Greek audience (though it's obvious fairly early on).
*** The BlindGuardian song "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYFFivxw56A Under The Ice]]" is about Clytemnestra's murder of Agamemnon (and his wife Cassandra - yes, ''that'' [[CassandraTruth Cassandra]].) The lyrics come from Clytemnestra's POV, and she never speaks in the third person, so you kind of have to know about the background of the story to know what's going on. Agamemnon is only referred to as the "King of Terror", but Cassandra ''is'' referred to by name - about once or twice, at the very beginning of the song (implying that [[DeadlyEuphemism she's already dead]] when the song starts, which means that Clytemnestra is sadistically informing Agamemnon of the fact before she kills him.) I'm not sure if this is a true "ItWasHisSled", but it's almost close enough to fit.
* JM Synge's ''Riders to the Sea'': Bartley drowns. Everyone knows this from Maurya's famous monologue:
-->They're all gone now, and there isn't anything more the sea can do to me.... I'll have no call now to be up crying and praying when the wind breaks from the south, and you can hear the surf is in the east, and the surf is in the west, making a great stir with the two noises, and they hitting one on the other. I'll have no call now to be going down and getting Holy Water in the dark nights after Samhain, and I won't care what way the sea is when the other women will be keening.
* ''Hedda Gabler'' shoots herself.
** Nora leaves her husband in ''The Doll's House'', slamming the door behind her.
* The ''Three Sisters'' never get to Moscow. Also, Baron Tuzenbach dies.
* ''The Ghost Sonata'': Nothing gets better.
* ''Woyzeck'' stabs Marie to death, and then ambiguously drowns himself while trying to dispose of the knife.
* ''[[LongDaysJourneyIntoNight Long Day's Journey into Night]]'': Edmund has tuberculosis, and wishes he were a seal or a fish.
* ''DeathOfASalesman''. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Come on.]]
** Some theatre-goers thought [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic it was metaphorical]] at the time
* ''{{Manfred}}'', being the blatant AuthorAvatar that he is, has to WalkTheEarth as penance for BrotherSisterIncest.
* ''ThePiratesOfPenzance'' are [[DeusExMachina all noblemen who have gone wrong]], and Frederick was born on February 29th.
** The Captain of the ''HMSPinafore'' and Ralph Rackstraw were switched at birth.
** In ''TheYeomenOfTheGuard''... there is no DeusExMachina, and [[DownerEnding everyone ends up married to the wrong person]].
* ''WhosAfraidOfVirginiaWoolf'': George and Martha's son doesn't exist.
* ''DerRingDesNibelungen'': Every major character dies. (If you're the rare person who [[YouShouldKnowThisAlready doesn't know this coming in]], Erda's warning at the end of the first opera, ''Das Rheingold'', makes it abundantly clear.)
* ''TheMagicFlute'': The Queen of the Night is actually the ''villain'' ([[AlternateCharacterInterpretation at least in traditional stagings]]).
* ''MadameButterfly'': Pinkerton abandons Butterfly in the end, resulting in her suicide.
* ''PeterGrimes'': Peter drowns himself, after being driven out by TorchesAndPitchforks.
* The Czech genius [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jára_Cimrman Jára Cimrman]] doesn't really exist. (But playing along with the joke of his actual existence is very much a part of the phenomenon.)
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[[folder: Video Games]]
* ''SuperMarioBros'': Beat the first world. Discover that the princess is in another castle. Repeat for six more worlds. Then get the princess.
* ''SoulNomad'': Has a hidden dark side story called the demon path. Revya is easily the most evil VillainProtagonist in all of videogames.
* ''FinalFantasyI'': Garland is actually Chaos, the BigBad, and shall [[MemeticMutation knock you all down]]. This one was spoiled by ''[=~Dissidia: Final Fantasy~=]'' and is even a plot point.
* ''FinalFantasyII'': The Emperor isn't quite as dead as you'd think...
* ''FinalFantasyIV'': Cecil becomes a paladin, and Golbez is his brother who's being mind controlled by the real BigBad, Zemus. Cecil and Golbez are both moon people. Practically everyone in the game [[StandardHeroReward becomes royalty]], except for Kain, who got the shaft as usual.
* ''FinalFantasyV'': Exdeath is actually a giant tree. Not even ''Dissidia'' avoids making fun of this one.
* ''FinalFantasyVI'': Kefka is the real BigBad, and the FloatingContinent [[DiscOneFinalDungeon is not the final dungeon.]]
** The last one was spoiled for people before they ever played it when it was new, considering there was a map of the World of Ruin included with the game.
* ''FinalFantasyVII'': Aerith [[PlotlineDeath dies]] in the ending of the first disc. [[FinalDeath Permanently]], despite [[UrbanLegendOfZelda rumors to the contrary]].
** Of course, there ''is'' a way to keep her alive... with a GameShark.
** Zidane and Kuja are [[ArtificialHuman not actually human]] although one wouldn't think so [[CaptainObvious with their tails]].
* ''FinalFantasyX'': Yuna does NOT die. Tidus is a dream construct of the Fayth and Auron died ten years ago trying to defy Yu Yevon.
** And Sin is Jecht, Tidus' dear ol' dad.
** [[FinalFantasyX2 Tidus survives and returns to Yuna.]]
* Would you kindly not spoil the twist to ''BioShock''?
** "A man chooses, a slave obeys."
* ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'': [[TomatoInTheMirror The player character is]] [[BigBad Darth Revan]].
** KOTOR2: Kreia is the BigBad.
* ''TheLegendOfZelda: OcarinaOfTime'': Sheik is Zelda [[GenderBender in disguise]]. This is so out that ''SuperSmashBros'' series has the Zelda-Sheik transformation as a special move.
** Midway through the game you travel seven years into the future.
** Oh, and the tomboy-pirate from ''TheWindWaker'', wearing the same bandages around her wrist as Sheik and having the same tan? Yeah, she's a Princess Zelda too. Even though the mentioned hints weren't really obvious to recognize on first glance, a visit on this page, DeviantArt or YouTube will certainly make you recognize them. ''After'' spoiling the whole twist to you. And if that's not enough, her Trophy in SuperSmashBros and the intro of ''PhantomHourglass'' completly ruin it.
** And yet the same into of the latter game tries to keep the identity of Wind Waker's BigBad a secret, despite it being revealed about 20 minutes into the game. Any the games that are HijackedByGanon are ripe for this trope, though.
** The Great Sea featured in ''The Wind Waker'' is actually a flooded Hyrule.
* Solid Snake's commanding officer, Big Boss, is secretly the enemy commander in the first ''Game/MetalGear''.
** In ''MetalGearSolid'', Solid Snake and Liquid Snake (as well as Solidus) are actually clones of Big Boss.
** The Cyborg Ninja is actually Gray Fox BackFromTheDead.
** The player only controls Snake for the prologue portion of ''MetalGearSolid2'' and spends the remainder of the game as Raiden.
* ''ResidentEvil'': Wesker is the big bad in the first game and gets killed by a tyrant. And HeGetsBetter.
* ''{{Metroid}}'': SamusIsAGirl.
** A hot one, at that.
* Not for the game being notable, but for the twist being so retarded, ''BionicCommando'' and its "Your arm is your wife" has achieved major notoriety.
** Gamesradar.com, after using it as a recurring gag on their podcast, now sells "THE ARM IS HIS WIFE!" t-shirts. Really.
* ''{{Castlevania}}: Aria of Sorrow'': Soma Cruz is the reincarnation of {{Dracula}}. The direct sequel, ''Dawn of Sorrow'', states this pretty early on.) Also, the mysterious "J" is actually Julius Belmont, making him a descendant of the clan known for going against Dracula over the years. (''Dawn of Sorrow'' states this as well.) Oddly, the ''Aria'' reveal that ''wasn't'' explicitly stated until ''Dawn'' was the first one players figured out, thanks to a particularly unsubtle hint from Yoko. Genya Arikado is Alucard.
** Arikado...Alucard...is this really supposed to be a secret from the ''player,'' or is it meant to be [[DramaticIrony obvious to the player but not to the characters]]?
*** Probably obvious to Japanese players. American players might not guess that it's a corruption of the romanization of the way a certain SdrawkcabName is pronounced in a different language.
* There are bigger threats than the Covenant in ''{{Halo}}'', as the demos and publicity carefully did ''not'' tell you.
* ''[=~Baldur's Gate~=]'': You're one of the children of the dead god of Murder, as are [[CainAndAbel most of the antagonists]]. When the ''creators'' declare 'ItWasHisSled' (by marketing the series as "The Bhaalspawn Saga") you know the twist is dead.
* ''KingdomHeartsII'': Roxas is Sora's nobody. C'mon, with [[SignificantAnagram that name]] and appearance, who else could he be?
** Regardless of whenever or not you've heard it before, it's most likely you'll just guess it quite early in the game's story. It's '''''that''''' obvious.
*** ''KingdomHearts:358/2Days'' flat out tells you in the first few cutscenes of the game.
*** Xehanort is ALWAYS the bad guy. [[HijackedByGanon He's like the series' Ganon.]]
* Feena and Lea are the twin goddeses of {{Ys}}
* [[TalesOfDestiny Leon]] is going to betray the party and dies with Chaltier. And by the way, [[TalesOfSymphonia Kratos]] is Lloyd's father.
* In ''{{Pokemon Red and Blue}}'', your rival is the Champion and you have to defeat him in order to beat the game. As if you didn't see it coming anyway.
** And the hidden Pokemon Mew is mentioned in the storyline.
** Another first-generation one is the fact that Giovanni is the Viridian City Gym Leader. This was supposed to be a surprise in the game, but everyone knew about it beforehand.
** In [[PokemonGoldAndSilver Gold and Silver]], you have to fight Red. Also, by the time Nintendo "revealed" [[OlympusMons Arceus']] existence, everyone already knew about it.
** The champions are always this. Blue, Lance, Wallace, Steven, and Cynthia. You always meet them in the story and interact with them however it isn't until TheReveal that you learn they're the champion.
** Silver's father is Giovanni.
* ''Game/MegaMan 3'': Break Man is Proto Man, and Mega Man's brother. Even the ''Anniversary Collection'' doesn't pretend this is a surprise. He's your Navi for cryin' out loud!
** ''MegaManX'': Zero is the greatest creation of Dr. Wily, and the one who's ''supposed'' to destroy the world.
** ''MegaManZero 4'': Zero dies (again) at the end of the series, in an epic HeroicSacrifice. It '''is''' practically CommonKnowledge, thanks to the fact that, to this day, arguments are still strong on whether or not he survived.
* [[{{Portal}} The cake is a lie.]] OrIsIt? Also, you kill the Cube.
** Don't forget that GLaDOS is Still Alive.
* Ingram Plisken of ''SuperRobotWars'' pulls a FaceHeelTurn and was always working for the [[HumanAliens Aerogaters]].
** What's surprising was that some players who played ''SuperRobotWarsAlpha'' hoped Ingram in ''SuperRobotWarsOriginalGeneration'' wouldn't pull it, due to numerous differences between ''Alpha'' and ''Original Generation'' {{continuity}}.
** [[SuperRobotWarsCompact2 Einst Alfimi]] is Excellen Browning's clone. By the time ''Original Generation 2'' incorporated ''[[VideoGameRemake Impact's]]'' story, it was common knowledge.
*** Do note that what ''still'' should be considered a spoiler for ''Original Generation'' is [[spoiler:[[SuperRobotWarsAdvance Lemon Browning]] being Excellen's AlternatveUniverse counterpart]].
* ''{{FEAR}}'': Alma is your mother.
* ''{{Doom}}'': the lost Deimos base is suspended above Hell itself.
** [[AndThenJohnWasAZombie John is the demons.]]
* ''{{Tsukihime}}'': Shiki was adopted and the ''real'' Tohno SHIKI is the BigBad. ([[RoadCone Most of the time, anyway.]])
** Also, Kohaku is really a StepfordSmiler who poisons Shiki (and others) throughout the story.
* ''FateStayNight'': Archer is a FutureBadass Shirou Emiya, Rin and Sakura are sisters since Tokiomi gave Sakura up to Zouken in ''FateZero'', Saber's true identity is a {{Gender flip}}ped KingArthur, Sakura goes batshit in Heaven's Feel, and Ilya is technically Shirou's sister, being the offspring of Kiritsugu and Irisviel von Einzbern.
* [[ArtOfFighting King]], [[{{Bifauxnen}} whose gender]] is supposedly no longer a secret to anyone in the sequel. By the time of ''TheKingOfFighters'', it's nearly impossible to mistake her for a man.
** The identity of the final boss in the original ''ArtOfFighting'', Mr. Karate, would count as well, if it weren't for the fact that his identity wasn't reveal anyway until the sequel, where the intro tells the player outright that Mr. Karate is Takuma Sakazaki, Ryo's father.
* [[WorldOfWarcraft Saurfang the Younger dies at Wrathgate,]] [[IGotBetter but then comes back as a raid boss.]]
** Bolvar Fordragon is the new Lich King.
* ''{{Mother 3}}'': [[TearJerker Your mother dies.]] [[CompleteMonster Porky]] [[DragonAscendant is the]] BigBad. [[EvilTwin Claus is the Masked Boy,]] [[MoreThanMindControl but he's not really that bad.]]
** This one actually ''should'' still be a spoiler, considering that [[NoExportForYou it was never released outside of Japan]], but since Lucas is a playable character in SuperSmashBrosBrawl, all of the above points [[YouShouldKnowThisAlready were spoiled in the trophy descriptions.]] [[SarcasmMode Thanks a lot, Nintendo.]]
* Very oddly inverted with the ''{{BlazBlue}}'' series: Things that are mentioned almost casually in the dialogue, or happen as early as ten minutes into the game's story mode are often marked as spoilers on websites for some reason.
** Played straight with Hazama being an epic level troll.
* ''PhantasyStarII'': The Earthlings are the [[TheChessmaster Chessmasters]] behind the entire plot. Palma is destroyed. The BolivianArmyEnding.
* DeusEx: UNATCO is just a front for Majestic 12.
* DeusExInvisibleWar: World Trade Organization and The Order are two departments of one organization and their animosity is fake.
* ''[[{{STALKER}} S.T.A.L.K.E.R.]]'': Wish Granter is a trap for the gullible and the greedy. The Zone is an experiment.
* VampireTheMasqueradeBloodlines: The Ancaran Sarcophagus is just an ordinary item. The cab driver is Caine.
* ''{{Persona 4}}'': [[SamusIsAGirl Naoto is a girl.]]
* ''{{Silent Hill}}'': Cheryl is Alessa, Alessa is Heather.
** In Silent Hill 2, James loved Mary a little bit too much.
** You find out shortly into Silent Hill 3 that Heather is Harry's daughter. Oh and that he's dead.
* Starkiller dies at the end of ''TheForceUnleashed''. [[DoomedByCanon Wasn't like it was too hard to guess.]]
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[[folder:Webcomics]]
* ''JumpLeads'': The central premise of two characters travelling through parallel universes unable to return home is so integral to the comic's story that it's easy to forget that much of the [[http://www.jump-leads.com/comic/1 first issue]] is about the two trainees embarking on their first field exercise, with their inter-dimensional predicament being something of a plot twist.
* ''PvP'': Skull's cat Scratch (or Scratch Fury, Destroyer of Worlds) is super-intelligent. Shocking, I know.
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[[folder: Western Animation]]
* [[TheSimpsons Maggie shot Mr. Burns]]
* ''FamilyGuy''. Stewie doesn't kill Lois; it was just a simulation.
** This trope was parodied in an early episode. In a flashback, Peter had recorded over a VHS copy of Citizen Kane saying, "[[ItWasHisSled It was his sled.]] ... There. I saved you two, long, boobless, hours."
* [[SouthPark Cartman made Scott Tenorman eat his parents]]
** ''FamilyGuy'' is written by manatees.
** Cartman's father is not his mother but Scott Tenorman's father.
* [[TransformersAnimated Longarm is Shockwave.]]
** [[RoboticReveal Sari is a cyborg,]] [[LivingShip the ship is Omega Supreme.]]
** The planet that the ''BeastWars'' take place on is actually prehistoric Earth.
** [[TransformersTheMovie Optimus]] [[TransformersGenerationOne Prime]] [[BeastWars dies]] [[TransformersArmada and]] [[TransformersAnimated comes]] [[TransformersFilmSeries back.]]
* [[LooneyTunes Elmer strikes Bugs Bunny down with lightning in ''What's Opera Doc?'']]
** In the final shot, Bugs--lying dead in Elmer's arms--looks up for a moment and says, "What did you expect in an opera, a '''happy''' ending?" then falls back into his death pose.
** BugsBunny is the off-screen animator tormenting Daffy in "DuckAmuck."
* [[BatmanBeyond Terry]] [[BatmanBeyond McGinnis]] [[BatmanBeyond is Bruce Wayne's biological son.]]
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[[folder: Religion]]
* [[TheBible Jesus]] dies.
** [[IGotBetter He Gets Better]].
*** [[AscendedToAHigherPlaneOfExistence Then goes away.]]
**** [[FisherKing And he will return and recreate the world.]]
**** [[WordOfGod Word o]][[IncrediblyLamePun f God]] on this one hasn't really settled the debate; [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation there are alternate interpretations]]. One is favored by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam about a billion fans]] world wide, and other vocal [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judiasm fans]] of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism series think that it's all]] FanWank. Even among the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity target]] audience there is considerable debate and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholicism a]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainline_Protestant very]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism wide]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican variety]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Church of]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarian competing]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations factions]].
* Satan loses in the end.
* Judas betrays Jesus.
* The Red Sea gets parted.
* [[NorseMythology Ragnarok is inevitable]]. All the major gods will die. However, Midgard will be rebuilt from the ashes.
* "Buddha" dies of food poisoning.
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[[folder: Meta]]
* This page spoils twists.
** Justified for the most part, except for ''CitizenKane''
** And averted with ''TheMousetrap''.
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[[folder: Real Life]]
* Everyone dies (eventually).
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[[folder:Meta]]
* [[http://xkcd.com/359/ This xkcd strip]] is the TropeNamer.
* Destructoid's [[http://www.destructoid.com/ten-golden-rules-of-online-gaming-64474.phtml Ten Golden Rules of Online Gaming]] is a satirical how-to guide on becoming the stereotypical online gamer, including many elements of the [=SHFG=] and/or {{Scrub}} mentality.
* Several years back, a former tournament-level player called David Sirlin, who's now working for {{Capcom}}, wrote an article called "[[http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html Playing To Win]]," which contrasted {{scrub}}s and {{tournament play}}ers with little middle ground. The article made some good points, but the tone made it the poster-child of {{Stop Having Fun Guys}} for years. More recently, he followed it up with [[http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-3-not-playing-to-win.html Not Playing To Win]], a limited defense of casual play.
* Expect to receive grief for even ''lagging'' in online video games. How ''dare'' you not pay for the most expensive internet connection, even if it isn't available where you live, and how ''dare'' you be using a wireless network that's prone to going on the fritz or randomly burping? There is ''no'' excuse for not having the best internet out there!
* Do you play on anything that isn't part of the glorious PC Master Race? Well, you're wrong, and a terrible person for having fun that way.
* If you're a PC gamer, do you dare to play any game with a controller instead of a keyboard and mouse? You may as well have just raped a baby.
* Again, PC ''users''...did you buy a pre-built PC? Do yourself a favour...'''DON'T. EVER. SAY. IT''. Admitting it is like saying you like to poison babies with LSD.
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[[folder:Fighting Games]]

* The biggest, and perhaps most [[MemeticMutation goofy]] of all fighting games' [=SHFG=] goes to the ''entire'' SuperSmashBros series. Despite all the ways that this game can be played on both the goofball mess fests and serious 1 on 1 duels, a lot of the serious players seem to heavily focus on the Tournament Level, which focuses on not using items and playing very static stages. While there is nothing wrong with this style of play, it isn't how everyone likes to play, per se. None the less, a quick stop to any Smash Forum [[InternetBackdraft and asking up the idea of "how do you play" is not really a good idea...]] This is lovingly [[http://legendaryfrog.deviantart.com/art/Hardcorez-75608753 drawn out in this LegendaryFrog comic]]. The Tournament scene is arguably more well known for its Hatedom than anything else. Despite this, it's hard to find Brawl games that ''do'' allow items and break the AbridgedArenaArray.
* In ''StreetFighterII'' series, you'll have those who sneer at players who chose RyuAndKen, because Akuma (who is banned in most tournaments) is "[[GameBreaker So much better]]."
* Inverted by players who prefer "old" Sagat ([[CharacterTiers also extremely good]]) over Akuma, since Akuma is banned in tournaments -- and that means that many people don't find it "useful" to practice [[SeriousBusiness against a character you aren't going to play against in tournaments anyways.]]
* ''GuiltyGear'' fans will often scoff at you for not knowing basic blockstrings and combos, even though many of what they term "basic" require a fair amount of practice (ideally on a home system) to get down pat.
* You're a {{scrub}} if your Ranked Match team in ''[[CapcomVsWhatever Marvel vs. Capcom 2]]'' consists of anything but [[GameBreaker Captain Commando, Psylocke, Cyclops, Cable, Magneto, Storm, or Sentinel]]. Now that the game has been released for [[XboxThreeSixty Xbox Live]], don't you dare complain about seeing the same five or six characters over and over.
* ''{{MUGEN}}'' has a LOT of these guys running around. Due to just how much ground the MUGEN fanbase covers, you are bound to find every type of this imaginable. For every helpful fellow willing to show you the ropes and help you learn how the engine works, you have a hundred angry vets calling you a noob. For every kind soul that offers to guide you to better versions of the characters you like, there are a ton of snarky folks yelling at you for not knowing better. Then there's the fact that nearly every franchise with characters available in the engine has solid fan base and hate bases, so you can expect a lot of controversy in that regard. Finally and probably most aggravatingly, there is the elitist fighting game fanboy that will laugh at you and despise you if you show so much as a passing interest in Mugen. Because clearly enjoying a fighting game engine means you know nothing about fighting games, right?
* The first requested faq on any ''SmackdownVsRaw'' game? "I want a CAW of last year's JohnCena, and 2009's Cena, and 2008's Cena, one with a hat, one without a hat, one with a singlet..." The second requested faq however is "lol what are all the unblockable Gamebreaker moves? I go tke my 98 level CAW to pwn all u noobs cause i'm so l33t lol."
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[[folder:Role Playing Games]]
* ''MassEffect'' has a notorious amount of SHFG. Didn't kill the Rachni queen without metagaming? You're retarded. Didn't keep the Collector base? You deserve to die. Saved the Council? Get off the forum!
** Also, if you don't play on the hardest setting "[[HarderThanHard Insanity]]", then as a rule, you're no better than a {{scrub}}, because according to the BioWare forums, Insanity is apparently "the difficulty the game was meant to be played on."
** Usually inverted on the popular Mass Effect threads on [[ImageBoard 4chan's]] [[VideoGames /v/]] board., though with [[NotSoDifferent similar responses.]] Kill the [[ObstructiveBureaucrat Council?]] What are you doing!? Save the Collector base? You're gonna doom the galaxy! [[ShippingWars Romance]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Tali?]] Bad move! Kill off [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Wrex]] [[EnsembleDarkhorse and]] [[WarriorPoet Grunt]]? Get out right now.
* ''PennyArcade'' has the story of how Gabe [[http://www.penny-arcade.com/2007/07/23/pokemon/ took the mickey out of]] a larval-stage SHFG. Also [[http://www.penny-arcade.com/2007/07/23/awesome/ a follow-up post]] showing why if you are a parent of a young child, you should never, ever let him or her attend an officially sanctioned tournament.
** It also seems that the kids made him recognise the start of potentially similar traits:
-->It was actually really cool to see how much these kids love ''Pokemon''. I've been so into it recently that I think I'd forgotten I should be having fun. With my pages of hand written math and charts of carefully plotted out EV training regiments I actually felt sort of dirty. These little kids were showing me teams comprised not of statistically optimal Pokemon but of their favorites.
* Go to the general board of any ''[[{{Pokemon}} Pokémon]]'' game in GameFaqs, and ask for advice on which moves you should teach to your freshly caught favourite. There will always be someone who will (a) tell you that this pokémon is not suited for competitive use, and point towards better pokémon who outdoes yours in every possible aspect, (b) variation of the first, suggesting an ineffective moveset because your pokémon does not deserve the good [=TMs=], or (c) copy-paste a Smogon moveset, even if it involves chainbreeding.
*** Smogon movesets in particular are rather useless for normal play - the average Smogon moveset requires not only chainbreeding, but also pulling the Pokemon up to 100, EV and IV training every stat from the bottom, and using one-use, hard-to-find items. Also notably, most tiers in the game are based on the rest of the {{metagame}}, and only one Gym Leader in any game (Roark's Geodude and Onix in D/P/P, which he puts aside for the rematch) uses [[GameBreaker Stealth Rock.]] At this point, they aren't even for cartridge play. A lot of them involve giving the pokemon in question a specific Hidden power type, which is impossible in the actual games. They're all really only meant for Shoddy Battle, Smogon's Gen IV battle sim. This in turn means that they totally ignore the idea that some players don't do competitive battles or like to keep things simple.
** It isn't just GameFaqs. Pretty much anywhere the ''{{Pokemon}}'' fandom hangs out you will find REALLY obnoxious {{Stop Having Fun Guys}}. There may be more than even [[SuperSmashBros Smash Bros.]] Wi-fi and {{YouTube}} videos are dominated by them, so much that you can't find a casual battle anywhere unless you play with friends. And the worst of all is Smogon. Whatever you do, don't go to Smogon if you're a casual player.
** In fact, pretty much the entire competitive ''Pokémon'' community is the epitome of this trope. If youíre one of the poor fools who ''dares'' to raise your Pokémon without [[strike:horribly and cruelly abusing/biologically mutating]] EV Training them, you are going to be called a {{Scrub}} and be publicly humiliated. And if you even think about ''thinking about'' mentioning that itís actually a physical possibility to play the game without regard to the endless amounts of soulless numbers and statistics, prepare to be mercilessly flamed until absolutely nothing is left of you.
** Heck, just having the "wrong" ''moveset'' can cause the StopHavingFunGuys to look down upon you. And to put it further, having the wrong nature, stats, and whatnot is also frowned upon.
*** Speaking of "correct" teams and moves: one war story has the teller losing five widely-used competitive Pokemon before sweeping with one normally ranked in the second-lowest tier, to the complete surprise of both players. The hilarity is best appreciated in [[http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=437618 the original thread]] (complete with chat-log).
** Do ''not'' mention you use "Uber" Pokemon. At all. Even if you're just a casual player (IE: Not very competitive) the more hardcore gamers will accuse you of using nothing more than "{{Game Breaker}}s" or "Relying too much on over-powered Pokemon to win battles". Heck, just having an "Uber" on your team and not even ''using'' it counts.
** [[TwoWordsObviousTrope Two words: Action Replay]]. Hardcore Pokemon gamers will frown upon those who use "cheat codes" to obtain certain Pokemon (Mainly Event Pokemon), even though it is technically legal to do so.
*** YourMileageMayVary on this - plenty of SeriousBusiness players are well aware Pokemon in-game isn't meant to be taken seriously, and are happy to let people mess around. [[WallBanger Scrubs playing with their favourite-but-mostly-useless Pokemon on a competitive simulator, however,]] tend to draw [[NerdRage unwanted attention]].
* You're not allowed to run from a battle in a [[{{JRPG}} JRPG]]. Ever. It doesn't matter whether the enemy's kicking your ass hard and it's been hours since you used a save point, you're in a real-life hurry to get to a save point, or the enemy is so weak that there's no point in fighting it for what little spoils you'll gain. If you run from battle, you are a complete [=RPG=] {{Scrub}}.
** God know how you're supposed to advance in ''{{Suikoden}} 2'' then: one of the character recruitments 'requires' a certain amount of battle retreats. SHFG's tend not to be big on logic or exemptions.
* Apparently, you're supposed to enjoy LevelGrinding as well. If you don't, then you just don't know how to have fun in an RPG.
** Averted/Inverted somewhat in ''FinalFantasyVIII''- Level grinding makes the game excessively harder, [[spoiler: the enemies scale with you.]]
*** And then played straight, as actually playing the game with the Experts of ''FFVIII'' will give you a very bizarre SolveTheSoupCans kind of logic in how to "properly" play the game. Said way tends to involve either playing Card Games or trying to Card Them All! Which actually is even LONGER and MORE complicated then normal Level Grinding.
* There is only one [[PlayerParty party]] setup worth using. Every other combination of characters is absolutely worthless. Unless you specify otherwise, everyone will always assume you're using that party.
** Very true in the ''FinalFantasyTactics'' series. Using a Gadgeteer/Tinker? You're an idiot for using a "garbage" class. No matter how much you try to defend your decisions on what classes you use and how you use them, the "expert" players will just lecture you on how the other classes are so much better than what you use, despite the fact that Advance and A2 are pretty easy to beat with almost any class set up you use.
* At the other extreme there's a set of {{Scrubs}} who will sneer at anyone who's crappy enough to "need" all the best stuff to win, in effect declaring [[SelfImposedChallenge Self Imposed Challenges]] the only valid way to play. Apparently if you're not playing through the game as a level 1 solo JokeCharacter without equipment you suck and have no business playing it.
* On that note, do not mention Break HP Limit to any ''FinalFantasyX''. Ever. Otherwise, be prepared for a paragraph of text on how stupid you are for even thinking of using it, and another paragraph on how you're SUPPOSED to be fighting "Insert Bonus Boss Here". Like the ''FFVIII'' example, it tends to be a SolveTheSoupCans! Logic that probably involves just as much work to find all the parts that you need. Figures.
* A perfect example of what happens when you mix this with FanDumb is shown [[http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=10983 here]]. Beware the [[{{Narm}} "Tyranny of Fun"]]!
* Do you want to have fun playing [[{{RPG}} RPGs]]? [[http://lotfp.blogspot.com/2008/06/i-hate-fun.html James Raggi]] considers you inferior. "Inferior" is perhaps too nice a word; "the scum of the earth" is a more accurate way of putting it. He even put up an followup to the article insulting anybody who was linked to it from this wiki.
* Try playing ''{{Fallout}} 3'' without using VATS much, or by actually playing as a good guy. Prepare to have people yelling your head off.
** Even if it's not a competitive game, don't you dare admit to using certain perks, like the ones that increase your experience gain or reveal all the map locations, because you're a {{noob}} who needs to level up faster to play the game to win.
*** Actually, don't even bother admitting to playing or liking ''Fallout 3'' even if it's the ever buggy PC version. There are many a SHFG who whines endlessly about their dislike for the game and will not allow you to enjoy it on those merits.
* When faced with a party of {{Munchkin}}s, a game of ''DungeonsAndDragons'' can turn into this very quickly. Woe to you if you happen to have a character who is not [[MinMaxing min-maxed]] up the arse. Even if you want to make a character who fulfils a role that the party needs, you're still a worthless maggot because you aren't multiclassing/are multiclassing/aren't using a [[GameBreaker cleric or druid]].
** It can be a real problem in some editions if characters are at different levels of [[MinMaxing min/maxing]]: the game balance can be shattered. A character min/maxed by a pro and a character made by a person new to the game can have such a gap in power and survivability that anything that would be a challenge for the min/maxed character is likely to destroy the new person's character in one round. A certain amount of balance must be struck in this case where the DM either reigns in the min/maxed character or helps the new player min/max their character somewhat, or a combination thereof. What makes the StopHavingFunGuy is he will be unwilling to either tone down his character or help the other player beef up his, instead deciding to berate and insist that his character is not the problem at all and expect everyone to play his way.
*** ''{{Exalted}}'' has a similar problem. Unless all the [=PCs=] put some effort into being combat-capable, anything that can even remotely challenge the combat-monsters will shred the non-combatants before they can blink.
* There was a time in ''AdventureQuest'''s history (before a lot of the new quests were released with scaled level versions) when they were all one difficulty. Then ''Fire War'' was released, a low-to-medium level quest against the fire mage Drakkonan. This was immediately followed by a string of level 80+ content. When people complained that they couldn't do any of the new content they were told in no uncertain terms that low-level players had been given one special event and that was enough. Some particularly {{egregious}} arguments insinuated that even giving low-level players one event amounted to insufferable persecution of hardcore fans.
* ''{{Disgaea2}}''. Do you use monster classes for anything other that Magichange? You are noob, humanoids are way better. The best class is [[strike:Samurai]] MagicKnight. And God help you if you teach healer any attack magic.
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[[folder:Rhythm Games]]
* Honorable Mention goes to the various "real musicians" who tell players of games like ''GuitarHero'' and ''Rock Band'' that they should stop playing video games and learn a real instrument, ignoring the fact there are no ''ModernWarfare'' fans killing passengers at airports like the infamous ''No Russian'' level, or otherwise stop playing video games and join the real CIA. Most of the time, however, these people fail to realize that these games do not just emulate playing an instrument, but the entire rock star lifestyle, which would normally be extremely improbable to obtain in real life regardless of how well one can play a real guitar.
** Harmonix have responded to these complaints by adding the more realistic Pro Mode for ''RockBand 3'', in which drummers get to use additional cymbals, keyboardists get to use the entire two-octave keyboard at once, and most anticipated of all, guitarrists can use a new guitar controller with six strings and over a hundred buttons on its neck to more accurately simulate guitar playing, with a proper, fully-functional six-string controller on its way. This, in turn, has bred a new kind of Stop Having Fun Guy, who insists that no matter how good a guitarrist this game may make you, you're still a {{scrub}} for learning to play through a video game instead of practicing by yourself.
** Some ''actual musicians in bands'' have tried rhythm games and failed, simply because the controllers are different than actual guitars or drums, for a variety of reasons[[hottip:* :For example, the game might represent a guitar arpeggio by having the player move up and down the neck, while a "real" guitarist would hold one chord the whole time and pluck each string in sequence. Also, an experienced musician playing a familiar song [[DamnYouMuscleMemory must fight his or her own muscle memory]], similar to being HollywoodToneDeaf. In addition, lots of notes are generally left out when playing on lower difficulties, so it's also possible to fail just by playing null notes]]. One such example appears in ''GeneSimmonsFamilyJewels'', where KISS tries to play ''Detroit Rock City'' on ''Rock Band 2'', but fails after only a few seconds. Such encounters often leads the game's fans [[FanDumb to accuse the musicians of not being able to play their instruments.]]
** Actually there are people wondering why anyone can have fun playing FPS and/or fantasy action games if the only proper way to have fun of shooting and fighting is, respectively, training at the shooting range/IPSC course or joining local medieval reenactment group.
** [[UnfortunateImplications One wonders if, for games like]] ''CommandAndConquer'', ''MedalOfHonor'' and the like, [[IfYoureSoEvilEatThisKitten Al Qaeda feel the same]].
* You're not allowed to play ''pop'n music'' with the Beat-Pop modifier. After all, if you want gray and blue notes so badly, why not just play ''{{beatmania}} IIDX''?
* ''DanceDanceRevolution'' (along with its counterparts PumpItUp and InTheGroove) have similar issues throughout:
** When it comes to the safety bar, the players can be easily separated into two types: those who support their weight with it [[ChallengeGamer to achieve the highest score]], and those who [[SelfImposedChallenge adamantly refuse to do so]] because they think [[{{Scrub}} it's more fun that way]]. Both groups are equally vocal and equally annoying. Some in the anti-bar camp will heckle or even outright smack the hand of any player whom they see reaching for the bar. Even if the player is trying to beat [[ThatOneBoss That One Song]] or play [[HarderThanHard Oni Mode]] (where you have to play 5+ songs in a row without breaks, and missing 4 steps out of 300+ on any one song will fail you and end your game on the spot) or Survival Mode (instead of missing 4 notes max, it becomes a TimedMission with only accurate stepping to keep the timer alive for the most part).
** Similar but lesser hate can be directed as a player who uses speed mods or any built-in noteskins to make reading stepcharts easier, [[WallBanger even if some of this noteskins are default options on some of the games]]. The only possible exception is the Solo modifier on older DDR arcade releases: due to a bug, if one player chose Solo, both players had to have it on.
* For a while, the speed mod debate carried over to ''GuitarHero''. It certainly didn't help that in all ''Guitar Hero'' games so far '''but''' ''[=GH5=]''[[hottip:* :Yes, even ''VanHalen'', which was released after ''[=GH5=]'', if only because it ran on a pre-''[=GH5=]'' engine.]], speed modifiers were filed under the cheats menu.
* The online game [[http://www.jamlegend.com JamLegend]]'s score system awards most experienced players a golden "P" (pro) badge.Pray you don't end up in a multiplayer match made up of pros...
** Besides that, most comments on the songs will simply consist of "FC" (Full Combo), sometimes followed up with "Too easy" or "Can't believe someone failed it".The moderator staff deleted them at first, but eventually resigned and let the [=SHFGs=] shout out their pride.
* Homebrew Bemani games falls victim to SHFG traps, most stepcharts wind up in the vein of "It is supposed to be hard, learn to play" songs. Rather evident in StepMania and Osu!
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[[folder:Online Roleplaying Games]]
* ''Ragnarok Online'' features a multitude of classes you can choose from, and because of the set-up for the stats and skills layout, you can have very unorthodox builds for any given class. Many classes are designed with certain builds in mind, but there is nothing stopping you from making a screwball build - Battle Wizard, Flee-Monk, Agility Crusader. God forbid you actually admit to working on one, especially to a guild that focuses heavily on WoE combat.
* ''CityOfHeroes'' (and its counterpart game, ''City of Villains'') have a couple archetype combinations and maps that get used extensively by the twink crowd. In ''City of Heroes,'' it's Fire/Kinetics Controllers that are viewed as the most powerful, with two particular maps used. ''City of Villains'' is a bit more complex, but the popular choice is to pair an (area of effect emphasis)/Stone Armor Brute and a (area of effect emphasis)/Kinetics Corruptor (popular combinations are Super Strength/Stone Armor and Fire Blast/Kinetics). The map of choice is Battle For Television. They will then set up teams and farm it. While this is a very effective way to gain money, it is extremely monotonous and many of the people that set these up are also completely passionless and very strict about the conduct of the team fillers, with the most extreme of them not even letting them on the map to share the rewards (though even these ones usually tell you ahead of time, and let you leave once all the enemies on the map are spawned). Then there are the people that refuse to do anything ''but'' this type of team...
** Amusingly, a lot of the more strident fans of farming the same map over and over and over and over in the pursuit of easy leveling and quick money accumulation will deride doing missions as "boring and repetitive". The {{Irony}} in such statements is stunning.
** This section of the playerbase also relentlessly pursues and abuses other exploits for risk-free experience.
** And now that we have the Invention system implemented, expect any player that doesn't use and abuse it to twink out his character to ridiculous levels to be mocked mercilessly by the usual suspects.
*** Those who aren't mocking people for not using it to make money of course.
* If you aren't willing to put up with the restrictions and are willing to invest a lot of time into it, forget about two things in ''WorldOfWarcraft:'' Raids and Arena. There is a very vocal group of players who believe you don't deserve any sort of advancement if you don't participate in either of these aspects. Never mind the fact that raids don't necessarily require skill, and that neither are particularly fun at their upper tiers primarily due to the high volume of these people at that level.
* When 10-man raids were first announced, there was a huge uproar from the hardcore raider crowd. Some arguments against the change were reasonable, but many other arguments basically boiled down to: "You're not allowed access to this type of content because we say so."
** On a very similar note, Blizzard has announced that in the upcoming expansion, Cataclysm, Battleground PvP, most often considered by [=SHFGs=] to be a complete and total waste of arena time, is going to provide rewards at least on par with Arena gear. As can be expected, posting about it on ANY Arena forums is a bad idea.
* The infamous [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtvIYRrgZ04 50 DKP Minus person]]; this is the kind of player that can make ''WorldOfWarcraft'' very unpleasant. Alas, [[http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/ding/Ding-2008-06-26.aspx they abound]], especially on open world [[PlayerVersusPlayer PvP]] servers.
** The server Tichondrius is widely known to be the worst in ''WorldOfWarcraft'', as it is filled to the gills with elitist [=PvPer=] jerks who will actually SCAN YOUR ARMORY PROFILE to make sure you are a seasoned [=PvPer=]. If you aren't? You're blacklisted by all players. Fun does not exist here and so (as the servers motto goes) "Tichondrius is Not For You".
*** The cross-server dungeon finder has had the unfortunate side effect of exposing Tichondrius players to the other servers. With shocking regularity when one party member stands out as being pushy, raging at the slightest delay, calling everyone noobs at the slightest provocation, and screaming over their deaths despite having aggroed an entire group while not being a tank, they are from Tichondrius.
*** The Rampage US battlegroup has similar problems with TWO such servers; Illidan and Cho'gall. Don't argue with them. {{Just smile and nod}}. Their vision is based on movement.
** The official ''World of Warcraft'' class forums are chock full of posters that epitomize this trope. Don't have a + 16 Intellect gem in every gem slot of your gear? Then you are the worst Holy Paladin in the world and deserve to be boiled in acid. Have a talent point spent somewhere other than in the cookie-cutter build? Delete your character immediately and never play ''World of Warcraft'' again, you complete and utter loser.
** There are massive complaints on the forums by the very vocal minority of "Hardcore" Raiders stating how Blizzard is ruining the game by allowing Casual Gamers to acquire endgame gear with the new Random Dungeon Finder tool (which allows players to get into Pick Up Groups that have a fair chance of not sucking, and hands out endgame loot tokens for successful runs). Has everyone forgotten that ''World of Warcraft'' has always been a casual-player-targeted MMO?
** They also whined a lot during the ''Burning Crusade'' and ''Wrath of The Lich King'' major class revamps, commenting the game becoming too easy to play for noobs with little skills that can play with little or no addons. They seem to forget that even with the new changes, it still requires some skill to play classes, not to mention that players have to incorporate the new abilities and changes in their gameplay. This has continued into ''Cataclysm'', with complaints about the new information displays. These mostly consist of giving people information they weren't previously given in the game but which is vital for progression content. Their attitude is apparently that instead of being given this info, they should have to look it up on third-party sources. There is no thought or skill involved in looking up these numbers, it's simply adds to the already extensive busywork of the end-game. But apparently actually providing these fundamental stats is catering to noobs.
** The Random Dungeon Finder combined with the new gearscore attributes have caused a whole new outbreak of StopHavingFunGuys. It's not at all uncommon to wait some time to get a random group, only to have the tank and/or healer (the two hardest members to find) look at your gearscore and immediately declare they are "not playing with a bunch of noobs" and drop group - even if said gearscore is equivalent to raid-quality gear prior to the most recent raid dungeon updates and you are playing an easy 5-man instance. It can also lead to party leaders voting to boot other party members with "unacceptable" gear scores. An exceptionally petty action when the said low-scoring player is probably still leveling their endgame gear and they just got bumped from the chance to earn tokens to buy better gear, and by getting booted from a random dungeon party, they are now forced to re-queue. The worst bit is that the point at which a gear score stops being too low is about the same point as you don't want any of the gear from the dungeon anyway. If you actually need something from the dungeon you're running, you're not good enough.
*** It should be noted that [=GearScore=] ''is not'' an in-game attribute, but a UI mod that assigns scores to equippable items and tallies your scores up to determine how well-geared you are. It's basically a tool to allow StopHavingFunGuys to be lazy about their elitism.
** Some people have this very attitude towards vanity items and the people who farm for them: Why would you farm for a mount and/or pet? It doesn't help you during a [[BossBattle boss fight]]. Same goes for people who do Vanilla/BC raids. You're dumb for collecting old gear that's outmatched by the greens you got while questing in Outlands/Northrend.
* Instant-Message Roleplay has its own breed of the Stop Having Fun Guy. It's the type that demands a great number of Instant Message boxes be filled per post, and will throw a fit if you do anything under the limit. Most people would be hard-pressed to stretch a single action into ''three''. How they manage to find people to play with is anyone's guess.
* AOL. AOL by far has some of the worst "Stop having fun guys" [=RPers=]. The standard fare to RP with anyone is: you must have a well thought out profile (this apparently is the most important thing. Also if it's not schwag and it doesn't have a picture, it's not "well thought out"), can type two full IM boxes consistently, and should have a storyline to play along with (although some offer their own). And then there's the whole vocabulary thing (calling eyes "orbs" and ears "radars" of all things). There was also a group that booted you out of the room if you didn't RP ''fast enough'', claiming they do a mostly "talking" RP.
** AOL roleplayers have eased up a little lately. For one, AOL has so badly wrecked its profile system that people just e-mail their info to each other.
* AOL Free-form RP (FFRP). With the 'ability' to "roll" various amounts of "dice" with various amounts of "sides" (i.e., a random number generator), there was infinite potential to not have fun. Combat tended to be speed-typing-based and not round-by-round (i.e., D&D style), which meant that 'fights' turned into copy-pasting "punches him" followed by the roll command over and over again. Which was de-funned even further by stipulations on minimum-word limits, time limits between actions, and refusals to recognize actions for one reason or another ("You can't just say 'fires a gun at him'! What kind of gun? What kind of bullets? What are you aiming at?") All this cat-herding was ruled over by a series of unofficial "official" enforcers of rules (a.k.a. clans or guilds), none of which required anything more than a hastily-assembled webpage of rules. And don't you dare laugh at any of this. It was SeriousBusiness.
* In Yahoo! Chat, back when it actually had user rooms, if you couldn't do three eight line paragraphs about the simple act of throwing a punch, then you just couldn't RP, noob!
* The reverse has been known to be true as well; some players advocate a maximum number of lines (usually three or five) per post for a variety of reasons that boil down to "you're a noob if you can't say what you need to say in three lines" or "you're a poser who pads his posts with {{purple prose}}." It can become a CyclicTrope when the para-posters become dominant in a particular chat, leave a couple of disgruntled veterans who aren't on the paragraph side, and the latter become role models for a lot of newbies who don't like the para-post clans, form their own clans until they become dominant in numbers and the para-posting clans disintegrate, leaving behind a few old guard who start wowing the newbies with their "mad posting skillz..."
* There's been a recent controversy on {{Twitter}}, specifically the "[=TwitterDex=]", a group of people who like to act out ''{{Pokemon}}'' Tweets that have their own wiki. A recent influx of people portraying characters from the games (such as [[http://twitter.com/E4Karen Karen]], [[http://twitter.com/Champion_Lance Lance]], and [[http://twitter.com/ChampionSteven Steven]]) who chose to portray their characters in slightly different ways than they're shown in {{canon}} have crossed paths with the "veterans" who think that the Twitter series they're posting "isn't an RP" and that their characters are "out of line". A recent incident involving a party at Steven's house where people drank and had a good time ([[TheRuleOfFirstAdopters some more than others]], though nothing truly explicit occurred) was shut down when Steven reached his Tweet Limit for the day and arguments regarding the portrayal of characters and clogging up followers' feeds with multiple tweets began.
* Forum [[PlayByPostGames Play-by-posts]]. Seriously many people require you to have an extreme amounts of actions taken. Of course this may also happen when you are playing numerous characters or [[{{NPC}} Non-player characters]] at once, which would result in a longer post; but if you have only ONE character, then you MUST match theirs in length and description! [[WallBanger Even when you are NOT in control of the environment and therefore have nothing else to describe but your character's actions.]] Another case where it goes both ways - some StopHavingFunGuys will demand that you simply don't overload them with details or introduce them over time, and will enable you to get away with a shorter post, and if you do too much stuff then you're overwhelming other players or are just trying to show off. Bottom line? Either try and balance "Get right to the point" and "Enriching the world", don't add details for the sake of longer posts and don't just say you nod and that's all, or adapt to the type of game you're in.
* {{MUSH}}es and {{MUCK}}s often suffer from the above phenomena too. Some will encourage (or require) you to write "long, descriptive" poses or character descriptions (what others see when they "@look" at your character), where it turns out that "long and descriptive" actually means "a giant rambling paragraph of PurpleProse." And then there are the competitive posers who try to constantly one-up each other in length and PurpleProse...
* ''Efedding''. It's a forum-based writing/roleplaying game with ProfessionalWrestling as a backdrop. ''Efedding'' players can generally be broken down into "storyline" (writing short stories and chapters thereof featuring your character(s)) and "trashtalk" (doing like real pro wrestlers do and talk trash about your opponent and the match). Stop Having Fun Guys exist on both ends of the spectrum. Trashtalker [=SHFGs=] consider storyliners to be pretentious psuedo-intellectuals who don't know how to play the game. Storyliner [=SHFGs=] consider trashtalkers to be uncreative dullards who don't know how to play the game.
* In ''[[PhantasyStar Phantasy Star Universe]]'', there is a large group of people who will boot you from the party for a number of reasons. Picking up "trash" rare items (Even when there is some value to them)? Not having the right Weapon/Armor element (especially at a low percent)? Having weapons that are not grinded (enough)? Having low Photon Art levels? Daring to not play as the "right" race/class combo, ''especially'' as a disadvantaged one (Beast Ranger, Newman Hunter, CAST Force)? Getting most of the ''good'' rares when the setting's on Set Random? Oh Noes! Hell, ''just being there'' at the end boxes on missions is a viable reason to be kicked from the party. You don't have to do much to get booted from the party. Sometimes even nothing at all...
* In ''EVEOnline'' there's a constant struggle going on between "carebears" who do non-PvP related activities such as mining or mission running and the [=PvPers=] and pirates. Sure, there's the saying that "PvP in EVE is consensual and you consent whenever you undock", but [=PvPers=] seem to be of the mind that the game is ALL PvP and you should not have the freedom to play the game the way you like - if you prefer to fly out into an asteroid belt and shoot rocks with a mining laser, you ''deserve'' to die and be taunted for it. This despite the fact that freedom of gameplay is EVE's biggest drawcard and that half the ingame economy is powered by carebears. They're a little more forgiving if you're a new player, and don't have the skills or equipment to survive in 0.0, but veteran players have no excuse. (Which is not to say there aren't carebear players who are just as SeriousBusiness).
** For an even more illuminating case study, look toward the big 0.0 player alliances. Consider "alarm clock ops", where in a game where the potential conflict runs 23/7 in real time, you have players in other time zones setting their alarm clocks to wake them up in the middle of the night to go on them - and if you don't, you're letting your alliance down. And that's just scratching the surface. In 2009, a director in the Band Of Brothers alliance (whom for years had been imposable to destroy), on a lark, created a noob character and got him enlisted in Goonswarm - [=BoB's=] biggest competitor and the resident SomethingAwful stronghold. Hanging out with them apparently made him realize that [[http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/64347 he was sick of the BoB]] SeriousBusiness mentality, so he outed himself and offered to defect. And he did...[[http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2737&tid=7 taking BoB down with him]]. The resulting explosion, fallout and power vacuum were epic.
* ''{{Maplestory}}''. If you don't have the right gear, or if your damage isn't up to par with the (increasingly more) absurd standards set by the "pros" (read: people who spend entire days just merchanting for Meso, the game's currency), or if you're playing one of the least popular classes, or, God forbid, if you play the game for fun rather than for leveling up. (Such as, say, NOT hiring a high level cleric to train you, a costly but fast process that lets you skip ahead in levels quickly), you're a noob.
* As far as many ''{{Runescape}}'' players are concerned, if you haven't leveled all of your Free-to-play skills up to ''at least'' 75 than you're barely playing the game. And don't even consider buying a membership; you aren't worthy.
** However, in the PVP worlds, each and every person there can qualify as the MostTriumphantExample of this trope. Heal when you're not low health? You get flamed. Use certain weapons? Flamed. Have a balanced level rather than specialise in one thing? You're labelled the scum of the earth. It reeks of [[{{Munchkin}} Munchkinism]] constantly, and it's why a lot of people avoid the PVP of the game.
* ''FinalFantasyXI''. Dear God, ''FinalFantasyXI''. The game has 20 jobs, of which you can pick a main and a sub. Of those 300+ combinations, there are maybe 15 that are acceptable to the SHFG: Any Melee class that is not Samurai or Dragoon shouldn't even bother leaving the Mog house. Sorry Warriors, Dark Knights, Thieves, etc -- you're only going to be invited to a [=SHFG's=] party if there aren't any Samurais or Dragoons available. If you are not playing Samurai or Dragoon because you have already taken both to the level cap -- you should expect to have one of three subjobs as a melee -- either /SAM (for anyone over 60), /WAR (for anyone under 60) and /NIN (for parties with a particularly loud [=SHFG=] leader). These are the only acceptable subjobs, all others will be asked to change before leaving town.
** For spellcasters: black mages should either [[LevelGrinding level grind]] solo (which is tricky and works best at higher levels) or party with other black mages in what's called a manaburn party. Likewise, Summoners should [[LevelGrinding level grind]] solely with other summoners, which is similarly called an astralburn party. All normal levelling parties should have a [[TheRedMage Red Mage]] as healer/buffer/debuffer, and have no need for any other caster. And everyone wants a bard for their wide variety of powerful [[StatusBuff buffs]]. Other spellcasters else should not waste their own time. The others -- Scholar, White, and Blue Mages -- are unfortunately only useful as subjobs.
** Ninja is the only job that can naturally [[DualWielding dual wield weapons]], has a variety of spells (Ninjutsu) and can usually do generally respectable damage. However, none of this is likely to matter, because one of those spells creates a few [[DopplegangerSpin shadow images]] which effectively cause the next few normal attacks to automatically miss. The StopHavingFunGuys realized early on that when used properly, casting this over and over would make the ninja effectively invincible in most situations, both by avoiding damage and by preventing enemies from using their [[LimitBreak limit breaks]]. Thus, "Blink Tanking" became the norm. In its most common form, a NIN/WAR gets a monster's attention, then uses shadow images to absorb its attacks while the rest of the party kills it. At high levels, a WAR/NIN can do likewise, although the spellcasting mechanics make it slightly more difficult and less reliable. In addition, other melee characters will frequently use Ninja as a subjob, both to allow DualWielding and for the above shadow image spell. However, some [=SHFGs=] insist that ''all'' players use Ninja as a subjob, even those who get little out of it, mainly because it ''weakens'' the player's damage output and makes the duties of the healer and "Blink Tank" a little easier.
** [[MagicDance Dancer]], [[MarionetteMaster Puppet]][[LethalJokeCharacter master]] and [[TheBeastmaster Beastmasters]] are nearly unseen in parties. Fortunately, all three can solo reasonably well. There are several reasons for this: none of them add anything to a party that other jobs can't do just as well; dancer is a late addition to the game, puppetmaster requires a little [[DifficultButAwesome more effort, investment and planning]] than most jobs to be similarly effective, as well as relying on an [[AIRoulette unpredictable]] [[RobotBuddy automaton]]. Beastmaster is commonly seen as the best job to solo with by [=SHFG=] and regular players alike, and their reliable pets tend to either be mediocre or [[GlassCannon easily killed]].
** The StopHavingFunGuy mentality on ''FinalFantasyXI'' goes beyond choice of job; choice of camp and party style are ways you can "do it wrong" too. Many of the above narrow job choice demands are based primarily on what's optimal in a meleeburn against colibri (or less commonly against puks and [[LizardFolk Mamool Ja]]. If you aren't meleeburning colibri, you had better be solo, or in a manaburn or [[GameBreaker astralburn]] instead; if you're fighting anything else in any sort of way aside from those two, at ''best'' the local SHFG will [[StopHelpingMe persistently "gently" remind you how inefficient you are at getting XP and provide "tips for improvement"]], and at worst tear you a new one.
*** And Heaven help you if you decide to use a weapon uncommon to your job--for instance, using a pole as a Monk. Even if you're soloing and NOT looking for a group. On the plains outside the Valkurm Dunes.
*** It is worth noting that very little of this applies to high level raid-style content, which commonly requires jobs that are considered useless for optimal LevelGrinding, especially thief to increase [[RandomlyDrops drop rates]], paladin tanks to survive powerful enemy [[LimitBreak limit breaks]] and magic damage, white mages for more efficient heals and better [[DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist raises]], and rangers and black mages for long-ranged burst damage. Dancer, puppetmaster, beastmaster and corsair are still rarely seen, however.
* GuildWars has this often when it comes to character builds. Woe betide you if you try something unique. There's only a certain type of build you can use, and if you don't do this, you suck.
** Better yet, no one will tell you what these builds are or where to get the skills needed for them! At most, you'll get the name for the build. As if this is supposed to instantly communicate everything you need to know.
* [[LivejournalRoleplay Roleplay on LiveJournal]] has a lot of these. Occasionally slip up in your characterization? You're the scum of the Internet and need to gtfo of LJ. The anon meme and Roleplay Secrets community combine this with the {{GIFT}} for extra vitriol, to the point where there are threads complaining about people using the "wrong" ''userpics'' or formatting their comments "wrong." Also, dare to play out a gay couple and you ''will'' be snarked at because according to the StopHavingFunGuys (or girls), [[YaoiFangirl you're only in it for the sparkly buttsex]] and/or because having a character whose orientation is never mentioned in canon be gay or bisexual is [[WallBanger somehow]] OOC.
* There are plenty of these in the ''DungeonFighterOnline'' community, especially concerning builds and play styles. If you like playing the normal game at all, then you are a worthless n00b (never mind that thegame isn't really made for PVP). Several skills are considered "useless," and even if you demonstrate how they can be particularly useful, you are derided for picking a "worthless" build. This game is unique because you could have a 100% win record in PVP, yet still be called a bad player if your build has "worthless" skills, no matter how much they helped you win. David Sirlin himself would be derided.
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[[folder:Newspaper Comics]]
* Brilliantly skewered in a CalvinAndHobbes strip where Calvin is criticizing a clay tiger made by Hobbes.
--> Hobbes: Who cares, I wanted to make it.
--> Calvin: What is this, some sort of snobby '''''aesthetic''''' thing?!
* Also shown in ''BabyBlues''. Zoe wants to have some fun cup-stacking while Darryl offers to be her coach. When she refuses, saying she just wants to have fun with cup-stacking, Darryl asks, "What kind of mentality is that?!"
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[[folder:First Person Shooters]]
* A "noob weapon" is defined as any gun that does decent damage and doesn't fire every other shot at your own head.
* These guys occupy ''both'' sides of the debate over snipers. Either sniping is pro and people just need to stop whining (often with additional statements that it's unrealistic that they have to get a headshot to kill in one hit and / or bragging about no-scoping), or snipers are noobs who can't play properly and so have to camp for cheap kills, where "cheap" is defined as killing the player in question.
* If you ''do'' like to snipe, for the love of God, ''never'' get a bodyshot kill or people will view you as a CompleteMonster.
* Any competitive game in general attracts this, but due to the fact that most FirstPersonShooter multiplayer games are pretty much competitive, it quickly deteriorates from simple fun where you wanna come back to a "Win to Live" mentality. If you have more deaths than you do kills, then get the hell off the server and play with a bunch of kids, you noobling! You use anything unconventional? BURN IN HELL FOREVER!!! The mentality of too many players of FirstPersonShooters is comparable to if they were actually in war and someone ''does'' die a painful death if someone's goofing around.
* Word of advice: If you're really suicidal, say the words "Maybe I'll use the autosnipe next round" to hardcore {{CounterStrike}} players.
* ''TeamFortress2'' is something of a BrokenBase on its own, and the competitive community in it is actually fairly nice to people (of course, there are exceptions) but the people who complain about how it's an objectively terrible game because it doesn't take as much skill as its predecessor, Team Fortress Classic are a vocal enough group to be considered the Stop Having Fun Guys of the TF fandom. Never mind the fact that [[WordOfGod the game's developers said that their goal was to make a more balanced game than TFC, which they said was extremely unbalanced]], it takes less skill and the Medic is no longer an attacking class. It's just a horrible game and if you say otherwise you're an awful person who doesn't deserve to own a PC.
** A good portion of the competitive [=TF2=] players seem to think that if you're not playing 6v6 nocrit matches with them, then you're off playing 32-man Instant Respawn 2fort, crouched behind your Sentry holding Mouse1.
** Then there is the inverse: the people who enter public servers with few players and declare "no playing serious." What this means varies from just not going after objectives to straight-up not doing much of anything, but the one constant is that anyone who joins afterwards will be unable to tell until it is too late and he has already broken these unspoken, unwritten rules. At which point the other players will immediately assume he did it on purpose (even though he just joined) and shun him until he leaves.
*** On some of these "no playing serious" servers, any player who is performing a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xV2lfInZ3w "Spycrab Walk"]] is not to be attacked for any reason by the opposing team. Players who kill [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoodbadBugs "Spycrabs"]] on these servers are subject to ridicule and are occasionally kicked or even banned for this transgression.
** This game's version of "No Items Fox Only Final Destination": "No Spread No Crits No Unlocks Max Damage 2Fort"
** [[MemeticMutation Gentlemen?]] Meet [[http://kotaku.com/5527812/team-fortress-2-update-puts-a-medal-on-your-chest ghost4.]] [[IncrediblyLamePun What's a ghost4? For booing at the developers]] for implementing a badge for those who first played the game over a year after it came out and calling them "Weekend Warriors," which he considers insulting.
*** Said medal was changed to bear the name "Mercenary" before the medals were even released (within hours of the original announcement, in fact - it was likely even changed before the FlameWar above took place), and the original page showing it with the "Weekend Warrior" name had the "Mercenary" version put in very quickly, [[DisContinuity erasing all mention of the old name from any of Valve's pages.]]
** A fairly recent example: Competitive leagues have recently decided they're removing the Sandman (a scout bat which also hits a baseball to stun people), Natasha (A heavy minigun which slows targets down when shot), and the Wrangler (an engineer pistol replacement allowing them to take control of their sentry gun from their next season. While, regardless of the backlash, many people have spoken up and give good reasons (or [[YourMilageMayVary not-so-good ones]]), others have decided to say otherwise.
*** Arguably a case of "Lets have some fun guys" as many find those weapons make the game significantly less enjoyable.
** The general community also gets pretty vocal about weapon loadouts. No matter how balanced a set of alternative weapons may be, one of them will always be the infinitely superior choice and you must have it equipped at all times. God forbid anyone ever uses the Backburner or the Bonesaw in public. They will be promptly shat on and told at length how much better one of the other choices is.
*** One word: Demoknights. After the Demoman gained the ability to give up his StickyBomb ability for increased melee potential, players will either complain about either how using stickies is unfair because it encourages camping or that Valve never should have given the ''demolitions'' man an ability completely unrelated to [[StuffBlowingUp blowing shit up]].
* ''{{Halo}} 2''. They're the ones that start crying when you suggest playing Swords or Rockets or anything that isn't a team game. Or when you suggest playing on Beaver Creek. They'll generally only play Capture the Flag, on Blood Gulch, with Heavy Weapons. Or, they'll get on your ass if you use any weapon other than the Battle Rifle...
* ''Left4Dead''. While people do need a good amount of skill to survive the Advanced and Expert difficulties, some players will immediately kill or boot another player from the game if they make just one mistake and/or call them a n00b for not knowing how to play properly. Shown a lot more in VS mode where team members will accuse you of making them lose because of...well, anything. Because of stuff like this, [[{{Griefer}} some people get pure joy in making other players rage at their bad game playing]]. This becomes more apparent when you get scolded or booted from the game for something that could be beyond your control, such as shooting someone by accident as they wander into your line of fire or popping a Boomer that was next to someone as it catches you by surprise. Doubly annoying in Versus mode, as there is no place to practice the infected side other than during an actual match.
** You must use the [[ComplacentGamingSyndrome autoshotgun]]! If you pick the assault rifle or (God forbid) the hunting rifle, [[SarcasmMode you're hurting your team so much you may as well be teamkilling]]. (Amusingly enough, many people consider the hunting rifle, and its big brother the military sniper rifle, some of the best guns in the sequel, plus the hunting rifle in the first game now had its accuracy buffed up so opinions may change.)
** Just try playing a pub Versus game and not exploiting glitches such as getting pushed through walls or "shiva stacking" (huddling in a corner during zombie rushes, making you all but invincible). You will be booted so fast your head will spin. This was the case in the first game, but thanks to new types of crescendo events plus new special infected in the sequel, the old tricks are not encouraged as much.
** Heck, just lacking a microphone will get you booted by people who take communicating in games very seriously. It seems having no mic at all automatically makes you a sucky player instantly.
** Most of time you are just kicked out without giving a reason. You are left wondering why, as asking for explanation does nothing. If you are lucky, you are called "n00b" or "[[WallBanger you have less than X amount of playing time, learn to play]]".
** Heaven forbid you have a poor connection - [[SarcasmMode it's obviously not possible to have difficulty playing due to a slow connection,]] [[YouFailLogicForever clearly your slow connection is caused by you sucking at the game]] and not by being too far from the server host, simply having a lower-powered Internet setup or computer, etc.
** Another VS example: players who are serious about winning will demand other players to rush the maps so that the infected team will not have time to spawn properly and catch up. It is a legit tactic, but god forbid that you need a few seconds to heal up or are actually caught by a special infected and need help. For the players who demand to rush, they will blame you should you fall behind for reasons beyond your control.
* If you want to get ''[=~The Hidden: Source~=]'' players up in arms before you even finish your sentence, just mention the "pig stick." It's a OneHitKill available to the Hidden player, in exchange for making them unable to move throughout the three-second animation. It also makes a noticeable sound; the Hidden player's advantage being that he's ''invisible'', this is a seriously bad thing. Yet [[strike:most]] players insist it be turned off, because anyone who uses it is a hacking noob. It's seriously the most polarizing game mechanic this side of ''TeamFortress2''.
* ''QuakeIIIArena'' and it's online reproduction, ''Quake Live'' are fairly immune. The simplicity of the weapons and the purity of their purpose means ''every'' weapon (even your intentionally nerf-y starting weapon) is useful in ''some'' situation, in which its use is almost necessary. Plus, the structure of the game means that there are very few modifications to one's playstyle that are necessary to start playing as effectively as possible - namely, learn when powerups respawn, and try harder. Well... ''fairly'' immune: the {{Munchkin}}s and tourney-obsessed will also force their games to display opponents as one type of character and make the level textures lighter, but the latter may be blocked in ''Quake Live''. Speaking of which...
* ...the discussions about the ''[[ExpansionPack Quake III: Team Arena]]'' stuff in ''Quake Live'' at the official forums have many players who will want your death if you ''dare'' to use the Nailgun, Chaingun, Prox Launcher, Runes, Kamikaze or Invulnerability; or even if you vote the qzteam* maps.
* ''ModernWarfare 2'': A number of these show up in online play with regards to player gear. Assault rifles, for example: the SCAR-H/ACR fanboys will flame anyone for even daring to use an assault rifle that isn't their most treasured weapon, even players who have ''not yet unlocked'' the ACR. Bonus points if the player is using a FAL which is probably the least-liked assault rifle for not being able to unload its magazine instantly. Grenade-launcher attachments are called Noob-Tubes; if the KnifeNut and Akimbo Shotgun kits suddenly flood a match you can guarantee that anyone trying to use anything else will be flamed for not being a real player. The riot shield is probably the biggest offender to the trope, despite making the player ImmuneToBullets, and its ability to dominate in close-ranged fire-fights especially against opponents armed with shotguns or pistols, using it is seen as a sign of noobhood to the so-called "Pros". Using the 2 "stealth" perks and a silencer/heartbeat bling weapon will invite a hefty dose of flaming more often than not.
** EVERYONE loathes the Fal, considering it to be the worst weapon in the game. Its also the best weapon in the game if you have a hand that actualy works.
** The Search and Destroy game-type tends to breed this kind of behaviour. It doesn't help that it plays like CounterStrike. Often it's best to just skip onto another game-type, as the matching service will keep dumping you back in there.
* Try to find a ''[[BattlefieldSeries Battlefield 2]]'' server running something other than Strike at Karkand I/O or Wake. Wake in particular is beloved of "pro" players due to the phenomenally unbalanced Chinese jets that can be [[{{Whoring}} whored]] for the entire match. Expect to be teamkilled if you try to get to one first.
** Most ''[[BattlefieldSeries Battlefield 2142]]'' Titan games will have ''something'' stupid going on, be it a commander parking his Titan over an antiaircraft gun so he can get tons of repair points for fixing the guns, parking his Titan over a missile silo so he can skip straight to the "loads of easy Claymore and RDX kills" stage of the match, parking his Titan directly in front of the ''other'' Titan for loads of free kills on enemy transports and gunships taking off, or the fact that everyone else playing is either doing it for tons of free Clay and RDX kills or really, really likes dying. Needless to say, this is how the game is "supposed" to be played, and capturing the silos to win rather than fighting through the ludicrously booby-trapped Titan is the height of noobery. Elsewhere, the StopHavingFunGuys can be found abusing the PK rockets / Voss combo to the hilt and accusing anyone who kills them with the Bauer (or, for that matter, anything else) of haxing, or sniping at you from on top of a ridiculously tall building because pod surfing is pro.
** Any sniper who uses the Zeller-H is likely to be mocked, as is anyone using a Scope Stabiliser.
* Killing a "crawler" (a zombie without legs) in ''NaziZombies'' will cause torments of nerd fury to come upon you. Granted, the frustration is somewhat understandable, as keeping one alive will prevent the next round from starting, allowing the team to rebuild barriers, upgrade weapons, etc. But others frustrations will go too far.
* The aging, but still fairly popular ''RedFaction'' has had this problem from time to time. For a three or four year period, there was an extremely common server-side mod (still around, but the playerbase has shrunk considerably, with the [=SHFGs=] moving on to newer and flashier games) that would disable the Fusion Rocket Launcher (blasts a huge hole in the ground, and kills anyone in a considerable raidus), the Heavy Machine Gun (most powerful automatic weapon), the Super health/armor (gives double the normal max), and the invincibily/damage amp powerups.
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[[folder:Third Person Shooters]]
* Expect to be called a {{noob}} for doing... just about anything outside of using the advanced sword cancel techniques with shotguns in the online game ''{{GunZ}} the Duel''. Even using the most accurate rifle in the game, you'll be doing nothing but spraying wildly... even after you nail an opponent 14 times in the chest. Using a dagger to knock someone down and shooting them while they're on the ground because they didn't jump out of it? You're being a dagger noob.
** And if you jump out of a dagger user's lunge almost every time, you'll [[{{fandumb}} often be called a hacker.]]
** Rifle, Revs, Kodaichi, and E-style (short for European-style and is the "simpler" advanced technique system i.e., anything that doesn't require a glitch in the system to be usable, which is what the sword cancel techniques ARE) is guaranteed to piss off the ones that use the sword cancel techniques (called K-Style, or Korean Style.)
*** On the flip side, there are those who insist E-style is the only true way to play, and that anyone who needs to sword cancel to in has no skill at the game.
* ''{{S4 League}}'' players that use the Cannonade, Counter Sword, or Semi Rifle are often called noobs, since these are more versatile, safer or easier to aim but less damaging versions of the [[ColdSniper Rail Gun]], [[NotCompensatingForAnything Plasma Sword]], or [[MoreDakka Gauss Rifle]]. They're also powerful tools in their own way--the Counter Sword is usually shunned by Scrubs as being overpowered. The Counter Sword and Rail Gun tend to also be considered unacceptable weapons on the Tunnel v1 map, where they are fun but not a good way to score touchdowns.
** And then there are the 'rawr guns r 4 noobs' players, that insult and abuse anyone who uses anything but melee weaponry ( 2 out of some 20 or so weapons ), the 'LAGGER!' haters, who abuse anyone who tries to play with a poor connection because the game attempts (albeit a bit clumsily) to protect any poor sod whose connection can't give them a perfect uplink. For people defying the games basic premise, these guys (perhaps due to their stupidity) can be ''unbelievably'' vicious.
** Swords Only mode was originally created for the aforementioned 'guns r 4 noobs' players. The way the game is designed, though, turns some very ineffective strategies in S4/Chaser mode into [[GameBreaker Game Breakers]] when playing Swords Only (which would be much easier to stop if you just [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim used a gun]]). The SO community, to counter it, created an entire set of rules to prevent that and whoever doesn't respect it is raged at. Apparently, limiting yourself to 3 weapons (out of 17), 3 skills (out of 10) and ''forcing yourself to adapt to a set of unwritten rules'' is the only true way to play the game.
* The online Multiplayer mode for ''SOCOM 3/Combined Assault'' seems to consist almost entirely of suppression matches on a timer played on Devil's Road, Which is made up of two villages on either side of a lake. The result? Constant sniping, to the point where some servers have every other weapon disabled, and where this isn't the case you will be flamed for using other guns.
* ''GearsOfWar'' on Xbox Live: much of community believes that the only weapon that should be used is the Shotgun. If you kill someone with say, the chainsaw or Lancer, it's not uncommon to receive an angry message from that person saying "Take out your shotgun, you noob!".
* In the case of ''MetroidPrime'', the StopHavingFunGuys are actually the company rather than the players. Retro seems to have a deep, abiding and ''entirely pointless'' hatred for {{sequence breaking}}, to the point that each successive version has tried progressively harder to ruin the game for {{speedrun}}ning, apparently simply on the basis that this isn't the correct way to play the game. Most famously, Retro removed the "Space Jump First" glitch (where players who used a "scan jump" glitch when they first land on Tallon IV to get the Space Jump Boots much earlier than intended) from every subsequent edition after the original pressing.
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[[folder:Other Games]]
* Sparda have mercy on your soul if you admit to playing [[MercyMode Easy Automatic]] on any ''DevilMayCry'' title, for the [[HarderThanHard Dante Must Die]]-demolishing "pros" will have none. Although there actually is a bit of sense in this, since part of the fun is linking together Dante, Vergil or Nero's moves as one sees fit, and the automated combo choices Easy Auto forces on the player detracts from that.
* ''DefenseOfTheAncients'', that (in)famous ''{{Warcraft}} III'' map, has a number of players who despise "noob" and "pub" (public game) hero and item choices. Anyone who plays Phantom Assassin, Stealth Assassin or Phantom Lancer at any time will be trashed for the entire game by the SHFG player. Also, anyone who ever buys a Dagon will incur the same level of wrath.
* ''HeroesOfNewerth'', which is a standalone version of ''DefenseOfTheAncients'', is this way. Even on games advertised "noob players only" there is usually someone who will complain about their team not doing things "right".
** Not only that, but there is no tutorial, and no practice games. Essentially, to START PLAYING, you have to already be a SHFG on ''Defense of the Ancients''.
** It does have a tutorial now.
** ''LeagueofLegends'' suprisigly averts this.
* If you're not coming within seconds of a world record in ''InitialD Arcade Stage'' or ''Wangan Midnight Maximum Tune'', fellow players will think you're [[SoBadItsHorrible So Bad You're]] [[{{Scrub}} Horrible]].
* ''ChromeHounds'' presents an interesting case-- the {{Scrub}}s and the StopHavingFunGuys are both in general control of the online community- and advocating similar messages: [[GameBreaker Stick Mechs are king]], and Base-Dropping means you're a n00b, unless you did so in a [[LightningBruiser Wheelie]] (God help you if you play like the game advocates instead).
* The ''MarioKart'' series have been getting this, starting with the DS. Mention the word, snaking, anywhere, and you are bound to stir up a flame war between people who are for it and and people who are against it. If you try to explain how snaking is broken, you are classified as a {{Scrub}} who can't handle better players or just suck at snaking.
* ''Mario Kart Wii'' is no better when it comes to using bikes and certain characters with stat bonuses. If you dare to use anyone other than Daisy and Funky Kong (since they have the best bonus for top speed), any bike other than the Dolphin Dasher, Mach Bike, Flame Runner, or even try to play by just using a kart, pro players will tell you that you will always lose and stand no chance against people using a bike. You're also a {{Scrub}} by default if you even go as far as denouncing bikes for being overpowered. Apparently, no one is allowed to use anything other than the top tiered characters and bikes because it's all about using only the best to win.
** Use the Wii Wheel? You're a casual Scrub who'll always lose. This troper has also seen the opposite, stating if you don't use it, you're a casual Scrub who can't drive worth shit and will always lose.
* Admit to playing ''any'' game with DifficultyLevels on Easy (or even just ask a question about how it compares to the other levels) and [[EasyModeMockery prepare to get swarmed by people insisting that real gamers don't play on any level lower than]] [[strike: Normal]] [[strike: Hard]] [[strike:HarderThanHard]] [[EasyModeMockery the absolute hardest difficulty]].
** This also applies to custom levels or custom games like rom hacks. If they are too hard and people complain about it, the people that love it will denounce the complainers as scrubs and n00bs who can't handle a challenge.
** Conversely, admit to playing on the hardest difficulty level and being good at it and people will tell you you're not having fun.
** Interestingly, Spiderweb Software switched to using IdiosyncraticDifficultyLevels in the later ''{{Geneforge}}'' games as a response to something similar to this. The fanbase itself has relatively little friction between those who play on Normal or Tough in the older games and those who prefer [[HarderThanHard Torment]], but WordOfGod says that there's often an impression that playing on Easy is somehow wrong, and they didn't want people to feel that they were stuck playing on Normal or harder if they had trouble with the games. Makes a certain amount of sense - after all, if they didn't want people using Easy, they wouldn't have included it.
** Interestingly, many games LOCK the harder modes until you've completed the game on either easy or normal. How have they played only on insane mode without unlocking it first?
*** Well obviously those games all suck and you shouldn't be bothering with them at all.
* ''Mount & Blade'' offers players the chance to play either on foot as infantry, or use a horse. In a bidirectional relationship, horse players and infantry players both generally hate each other and view the other side's tactics as noobish. Cavalry players typically hate infantry because they are too slow and don't rack up enough kills, while infantry players typically hate cavalry for being a one trick pony (pun totally intended) and without any real skill.
* The only legal methods of input for ''{{Touhou}}'' are arcade sticks and keyboards. Even if you can't afford a stick, you are not allowed to play using a pad, even if it's a reputable pad like the ones for the Sega Saturn and the SNES.
* [[NostalgiaFilter Games from the SNES era and earlier are the only games you should ever be playing]]. [[ItsPopularNowItSucks Everything else is far too casual]].
* Admit to struggling with ''ThunderForce III'' or ''IV'', and fellow shmup players will brag about how impossibly easy they are and how it only takes 1 or 2 attempts to 1-credit the whole game.
* Not directly related to this trope, but [[http://my.opera.com/TheEve/albums/showpic.dml?album=630163&picture=8614700 this picture]] takes it to a literal level.
* Apparently, you're not really a fan of the ''{{Mario}}'' game series unless you know ''every'' single warp pipe, hidden 1-Up block, secret passage, blah, blah, blah like the back of your hand. Likewise, some fans will tell you that the only way to beat the game is to ''not'' use any warp pipes (or the warp flute in ''[[SuperMarioBros3 SMB3]]''), while others will tell you that ''using'' the warp pipe is the best way.
** Woe betide anyone who says they don't try for [[OneHundredPercentCompletion 100% completion]] in the games. IE: All the levels, all the coins, all the stars, all the bonuses etc.
* If you are having trouble beating a certain part of a video game, do not ask for help anywhere on the internet. The only responses you will ever get are people telling you that you suck and bragging about being able to do that part in their sleep.
* Chris Sawyer, creator of the ''RollerCoasterTycoon'' games, went on the record as saying that the "entire point" of ''Roller Coaster Tycoon'' was the scenarios, only the scenarios, and that the casual sandbox-players (that is, those who just wanted to build a simulated theme partk and who didn't care about the scenarios) were "doing it wrong, and needed to get serious and do it right", especially when they used a fan-produced "key" program to open the game up for sandbox play. He disliked sandbox play so much that when he wrote ''Roller Coaster Tycoon 2'', he included code that would wreck the game if the player attempted to use any sort of "sandbox key". Sales on ''Roller Coaster Tycoon 2'' plummeted appropriately. ''Roller Coaster Tycoon 3'' was not only produced without input by Chris Sawyer, it included an open sandbox option.
* [[TabletopGames Table-Top]] WarGaming, aka playing with toy soldiers, has its own two versions of Stop Having Fun Guys. Type one think that you can't be a proper member of the hobby if you haven't allowed for the fact that at the battle of Bunker Hill Nathaniel Smith was riding a borrowed horse, while Type two only ever plays an ad-hoc elite SS unit containing every Jagdtiger tank the Germans ever built.
* ''[[DeadRising Dead Rising 2]]''. You didn't get Ending S on your first playthrough? You suck at all video games. You restarted the story? You're a LevelGrinding faggot. Strangely, the first game never had this problem. Most people would even ''recommend'' grinding to max level and getting Zombie Genocider before doing anything else.
* ''{{Minecraft}}'' is young yet, but it's already got [=SHFGs=] lurking around the forums. Since the game is still in alpha, they dedicate their time not to deriding people for playing wrong, but to demanding Notch make alterations to the game to force people to play it "right". This includes everything from removing any feature whose only practical purpose is the creativity factor, to altering the way certain tools work ''for aesthetic reasons''.

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[[folder:Sports]]
* Sports in general are not only treated as Very SeriousBusiness but also are a breeding ground for these. Too many examples to count, we'll just leave it at that, but we'll also say that it is usually justified in the professional level, since 'having fun' typically takes a back seat to the millions of dollars that are at stake at that level.
** Really, the "professional level" may in and of itself be an example...
* Children's Soccer. Have you ever seen Soccer Moms in action? It's ''just'' a game, the kids are supposed to be having fun.
** Have you ever seen Hockey Dads? Some of them ''have beaten each other to death.''
** In the Netherlands we have Soccer Dads acting exactly the same.
** ''TheFastShow'''s "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2x_DI7tzNQ Competitive Dad]]" was based on this kind of character.
* Hunting and Fishing have often been known to attract these types. But of course there are quite a bit of people who're willing to give you some slack. Not everyone is really going to be performing at their peak when it's five in the morning, or lucky enough to catch a really big one. But there are people who can be yelling at you for catching ''too much'' fish or getting a kill bigger than they got. Oh you got a bigger trophy than I did? Beginner's luck...I got a bigger one? What finesse! What skill!
** Of particular note for mass hilarity is ice fishing, though some tournaments do state upfront they ban all but certain specific ways of fishing. Go ahead and use a spear or large handheld net normally though. Just do it. Lets ignore the fact the Inuit have done it this way for centuries, civilized people only use rod & tackle, same as in normal fishing... and God help you if you're sitting on anything other than your bait box. A lawn chair? You scummy suburbanite trendwhore! How dare you also dress comfortably!
* British amateur ski-jump enthusiast Eddie "The Eagle" Edwards was able to compete in the 1988 Winter Olympic Games in Calgary due to a rule allowing a nation to send an athlete in any sport for which there was a competititon, regardless of previous achievements by that athlete. Edwards, a middle-aged, myopic man who looks more like an ice cream vendor than an athlete, was to be honest a really, really bad ski-jumper. But his enthusiasm for the sport, as well as his "never give up" attitude and his statements that he was here for the "fun of competing in the Olympics", endeared him to the general public. Unfortunately, many of the "big name" jumpers felt that Edwards was "making a mockery" of the sport by being so bad at it and yet daring to compete in the Olympics with anything but a "win or die" attitude. Shortly after the Olympics finished, the entry requirements were greatly toughened, making it next to impossible for any other self-funded, self-trained amateur athletes to gain entry into the Olympics.
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[[folder:Strategy]]
* In any strategy videogame, if you believe the forums, there are exactly two kinds of players. According to the ''other'' kind, these are turtlers, who suck at the game and need to come out and fight and use proper tactics, and rushers, who need to lay off the caffiene and actually try to have some fun. Both are the offspring of the terrible union of {{Satan}}, {{Hitler}} and [[HeMan Skeletor]].
** That's a consensus shared by the SHFG's and the {{scrubs}}. The SHFG's take it several steps further by arguing that certain setting are "noob settings" and that if you beat them on said setting, it's because you gained a noob advantage.
* Go to any ''{{Warhammer 40000}}'' fan forum, and ask about army lists. Note that many of the aggressive posts are the guys who are building their armies to play Tournament matches against Space Marine armies (loaded with six-man Las/Plas squads and as many Assault Cannons, a huge {{Gamebreaker}} in previous editions, as possible) on tables with no terrain.
** If you post a list containing the most powerful units you can choose (such as the aforementioned las/plas squads), you will provoke an equally acerbic response. Such armies are criticised for not fitting in with the critic's idea of the background material (which will differ from critic to critic) - and, especially, for being {{Gamebreaker}}s and not the 'right way to play'.
* ''WarHammer'' and ''WarHammer40000'' are prime wargame examples. Use certain units or make a themed army, even if they're fluffy and fun, and the hardcore grognards will generally lecture on efficiency and effectiveness then probably advise the same cookie-cutter army that other people use to win. Make a wacky paint scheme and get decried by traditionalists. Make an army with a background that doesn't strictly follow established canon (like a loyal SpaceMarine army that is descended from one of the Traitor Legions) and prepare to be lambasted by canon-is-God players. Unless you say you're going back 10,000 years. With the HorusHeresy such a squiggly knot in history with Chaos playing some kind of supremely-advanced Risk, practically anything will go.
** On that last note, tone and background are important factors. Gag armies are typically well-received by good-humoured players ([[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/manip_IMGP0187.JPG Joycrons]] being a prominent example), and even in-character for some races (Orks being [[CrazyAwesome Orks]] are known to do all kinds of crazy stuff). That said, however, many gags or attempted combinations (Chaos Tau or [[{{BerserkButton}} Female Space Marines]], for instance) are {{Berserk Button}}s in certain parts of the fandom, and will throw even otherwise normal gamers into SHFG-worthy rages. Ultimately, it comes down to presentation, sensibility, and the type of people you play with.
* HeroesOfMightAndMagic. If you didn't use the Armageddon + magic immune Black Dragons combo you're just completely devoid of common sense.
** Worse yet: In ''HeroesOfMightAndMagic V'' there are people who actually come with arguments of how the Dungeon faction, specialist in destruction magic, is now completely ruined and obviously inferior to any other faction using destruction magic because other Heroes don't have a natural skill that pierces magic resistance, and thus, the Black Dragon's magic immunity, regardless of the fact that Warlocks, the Dungeon heroes, does from 50% to 200% more damage with destruction and receives way more Spell Power than any other faction hero save necromancers, and these are better off debuffing enemy armies and raising back theirs than wasting their mana in damaging spells. Trying using a destruction spell that isn't Armageddon didn't cross anyone's mind apparently.
*** Not to mention that this Necromancer strategy is the only valid strategy for necromancers. God forbid you don't use Raise Dead, and not getting this spell in the Magic Guild is obviously no excuse.
* In ''SupremeCommander'', if you don't use your Commander as a heavy tank destroying heavy platform in the early game, you're obviously trying to lose. Also building anything else than light tanks and engineers in the early game. Or using any other strategy than the siege bot spamming in the late game.
** Unfortunately (Or fortunately, depending on your tastes) [[StrawmanHasAPoint due to the way the original ''SupremeCommander'' was designed, if you didn't follow the above advice and someone else did, you were almost guaranteed to lose on most maps]]. It wasn't just good strategy: it was pretty much a required set of tactics and it came down to who could do the above tactics better... Fortunately, the expansion, Forged Alliance, added some new units and shook things up a bit, variety-wise, but the tactics still remain ingrained deeply in the community.
* Let's not even begin with ''CommandAndConquer'' itself. Didn't maximize the ore income in the beginning of the game with 3+ refineries? You lose. Didn't immediately begin to spam your basic tank? You lose. You actually bothered with human soldiers? You're so noob it hurts the pro's mother.
* ''{{Starcraft}}'' is a unique RTS in the sense that it requires the same twitch reflexes usually associated with {{FPS}}ers and {{Fighting Game}}rs. Your commands per second is less than 3? What are you doing wasting the professional's time and ruining their fun? You're not even worth thinking about. Didn't know that to defeat a 6 zergling zerg you only need a Zealot and a shield recharger... plus inhumanly reflexes capable of attacking the zerglings, landing exactly 2 hits and retreating before they can gank your zealot, ganking the zerglings with your probes as the zealot retreat, while recharging the zealot's shield? Even south koreans babies are born knowing that. You don't deserve to exist if you didn't know that.
** Thankfully though, ''{{Starcraft}}'' generally manges to avert the trope since the best players play professionally and don't have time to be on the same server as the average players. The best average players can't invoke this trope since they are far and away worse than the pros.
*** The best average players (and not only) ''shouldn't'' invoke this trope, since they are far and away worse than the pros. Of course, it still happens. Continuously.
*** They also avert it in that top players are always coming up with very inventive tactics to win matches, to the point that there really has never been one "best unit"
* Five rules for being a welcome member in the ''AdvanceWars'' communities: never mention Snipers, never play in FogOfWar, never play with navy, never say you can beat a competent player's [[ZergRush infantry spam]] without [=CO=] abuse, and if you don't want to be marked as a {{Scrub}}, never ever (in ''Days of Ruin'') choose No [=CO=] just because you only have to pay a minor price for the ridiculous boosts you get for [=COing=] a unit and surrounding units, or even complain about said ridiculous boosts. In short, ''do not complain about the blatant FakeBalance''.
** Though mentioning Snipers isn't a rule in game, it's just for the sake of your, and the forum's, sanity.
* If you play ''{{Worms}}'' and you don't use rope every turn, use certain weapon combinations or get to the crates in time, God have mercy on your soul. Playing an online version with a mic (such as the Xbox Live Arcade versions) gets even worse, as you'll get several [=SHFGs=] yelling at you for every minor step you take, [[WallBanger even if you're winning the match.]]
* {{Spore}}, while rather simple, tends to attract this with it's expansion ''Galactic Adventures''. Granted, making an adventure is actually pretty easy thanks to the editor, and yes people should put in more effort to make something that isn't a Clark & Stanley knock off, however, not everyone likes to make a serious and grim quest or attack-based mission/adventure. In fact, most complaints in the forum that don't regard Maxis/EA are about the fact that there aren't a lot of "serious adventures" (when you have already factored in SturgeonsLaw, of course), even though just about everyone (and possibly every type of gamer) plays this game...
** And let's not even discuss the [[InternetBackdraft creations, the way you should play the game, how the game is, or anything of that matter, shall we?]]
* If you play ''any'' game in the ''FireEmblem'' series, you'd better not go on any fan forums and mention using any character that isn't [[CharacterTiers high tier]], and you better not say you didn't use a top tier character. If you do, expect to get flamed about why "X is terrible, Y is so much better" and "You're such a noob for not using Z".
* If you don't play ''{{Civilization}}'' at the highest difficulty setting using a build order that has been mathematically proven to be the absolute best then you're a brain-dead sub-human. If you play at any difficulty level below Prince then, sorry but you're too stupid to play ''Civ'' and should buy a game more to your level like ''Barney Teaches Numbers'' or something.
** Other ways [[StopHavingFunGuys to have other people call you a noob]] in Civilization online: Custom name your cities, chat in the chat box, set the turn timer for ANYTHING under blazing speed, and trying for any victory that doesn't involve military force.
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* PlayedForLaughs in [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhmUj9QJ9RM this video]]. "THIS IS A SERIOUS GAME." Cue TheScrub being named [[StarWars Boba Fett]], steal the last kill, butt-fuck one of the characters which sets off a chain reaction, resulting in that character killing the other Stop Having Fun Guy's character.
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* ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh}}''. If any game can be considered personification of this trope, this would be it. It seems like the majority of duelists who play the game are like this, netdecking like crazy, dismissing cards that aren't TooAwesomeToUse as utter crap, and completely willing to ''rape'' the 10% of players who only play the game for fun. Flame wars have been started over duelists asking how to make a good Elemental Hero deck (considered SoBadItsHorrible among the elite), with both sides being chewed out as talentless, brainless hacks. Also the Seven Staples (A group of Broken cards) once made even the most fearsome high attack monsters like the Blue-Eyes White Dragon useless as they would be decimated the moment they are summoned by a simple pit.
** The seriousness of the fanbase is [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] in ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh GX}}'', where the main character, Judai, will regularly remind opponents that dueling is supposed to be fun. These people will always act [[SeriousBusiness shocked and amazed]], believing Judai to be foolish and childish. Judai is the source of the Elemental Hero deck to begin with, having debuted it in GX. Later, as part of his {{Deconstruction}}, Judai develops this mentality himself, and part of Season 4 is an attempt by his friends help him regain his old passion for the game.
** Interestingly, the character of Seto Kaiba from the original '''Yu-Gi-Oh''' story (who is himself an example of this trope) was inspired by one of these. [[WordOfGod according to the author]] he had once asked a friend to teach him how to play a TCG, but his friend said "Come back when you've collected 10,000 cards."
* ''MagicTheGathering'' designers call the players with the "only winning matters" mentality Spikes, in contrast to Timmies (who treat the game as a social outlet and like exciting play with big, impressive effects) and Johnnies (who treat the game as an intellectual exercise and creative medium and like unusual effects that complement each other). The design team generally tries to make sure there's something for each of these three player profiles in every expansion. Note that not all Spikes fall into this trope; see PlayerArchetypes for details.
** There is, though, a common belief among tourney players that if any card that costs four or more mana doesn't win the game for you on the spot, it should never even be put in your deck, which the more experienced tourney jocks know ain't so and casual players find laughable. The specific quote comes from Zvi Mowshowitz, long time professional magic player; but even he finds the idea laughable nowadays as seen in this [[http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/deck/10 article]].
** Particularly irritating are those who fill their decks with foreign-language cards for "variation" and almost roll their eyes out of their skulls if you have to actually ask what a particular card actually ''does''.
** There is a definite subtype of Spike, though, that loves to fill their deck with only "good" rares, barring basic lands. You're winning? Spike's attitude becomes a bit abusive and Spike acts like your deck is cheap, no matter what it's composed of. Spike is winning? Spike then becomes condescending about how "It's a shame you can't afford all the great cards like Spike can."
** To make matters even worse, there's a subset of tournament players who play in "Friday Night Magic" (the most casual of the game's nationally sanctioned tournament formats) just to boost their player rating. Why is rating important? Because a high rating can qualify you for high-level tournaments that aren't necessarily open to all players, among other things. So these players will farm rating off of any newbie or cash-poor regular who shows up at the tournament looking for a fun chance to play some ''Magic''. As if that weren't bad enough, a common response to beating the stuffing out of the "lesser" player is along the lines of "Well, you didn't lose that much rating anyway, since yours is so much lower than mine." Ignoring the fact that if you cared about your rating at all, the match might have lasted longer than seven minutes, including time to shuffle.
** Dan Shive, of ''ElGoonishShive'', reports the following dialogue following a game of ''Magic'' (he was the one using the card):
--->"That's a terrible, stupid card that sucks and should never go in any deck." "I just beat you with it." "It's still horrible."
* Try playing most card games for fun. Some like Texas Hold 'em and Poker get this treatment moreso than others. People also insult you for not playing the game correctly. Which is ironic, considering that, for the most part, the people being insulted are effectively ''handing out free money'' to the people who hate them; insulting opposing poker players for perceived mistakes can be a huge part of the MetaGame.
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* [[http://xkcd.com/359/ This xkcd strip]] is the TropeNamer.
* Destructoid's [[http://www.destructoid.com/ten-golden-rules-of-online-gaming-64474.phtml Ten Golden Rules of Online Gaming]] is a satirical how-to guide on becoming the stereotypical online gamer, including many elements of the [=SHFG=] and/or {{Scrub}} mentality.
* Several years back, a former tournament-level player called David Sirlin, who's now working for {{Capcom}}, wrote an article called "[[http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html Playing To Win]]," which contrasted {{scrub}}s and {{tournament play}}ers with little middle ground. The article made some good points, but the tone made it the poster-child of {{Stop Having Fun Guys}} for years. More recently, he followed it up with [[http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-3-not-playing-to-win.html Not Playing To Win]], a limited defense of casual play.
* Expect to receive grief for even ''lagging'' in online video games. How ''dare'' you not pay for the most expensive internet connection, even if it isn't available where you live, and how ''dare'' you be using a wireless network that's prone to going on the fritz or randomly burping? There is ''no'' excuse for not having the best internet out there!
* Do you play on anything that isn't part of the glorious PC Master Race? Well, you're wrong, and a terrible person for having fun that way.
* If you're a PC gamer, do you dare to play any game with a controller instead of a keyboard and mouse? You may as well have just raped a baby.
* Again, PC ''users''...did you buy a pre-built PC? Do yourself a favour...'''DON'T. EVER. SAY. IT''. Admitting it is like saying you like to poison babies with LSD.
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[[folder:Fighting Games]]

* The biggest, and perhaps most [[MemeticMutation goofy]] of all fighting games' [=SHFG=] goes to the ''entire'' SuperSmashBros series. Despite all the ways that this game can be played on both the goofball mess fests and serious 1 on 1 duels, a lot of the serious players seem to heavily focus on the Tournament Level, which focuses on not using items and playing very static stages. While there is nothing wrong with this style of play, it isn't how everyone likes to play, per se. None the less, a quick stop to any Smash Forum [[InternetBackdraft and asking up the idea of "how do you play" is not really a good idea...]] This is lovingly [[http://legendaryfrog.deviantart.com/art/Hardcorez-75608753 drawn out in this LegendaryFrog comic]]. The Tournament scene is arguably more well known for its Hatedom than anything else. Despite this, it's hard to find Brawl games that ''do'' allow items and break the AbridgedArenaArray.
* In ''StreetFighterII'' series, you'll have those who sneer at players who chose RyuAndKen, because Akuma (who is banned in most tournaments) is "[[GameBreaker So much better]]."
* Inverted by players who prefer "old" Sagat ([[CharacterTiers also extremely good]]) over Akuma, since Akuma is banned in tournaments -- and that means that many people don't find it "useful" to practice [[SeriousBusiness against a character you aren't going to play against in tournaments anyways.]]
* ''GuiltyGear'' fans will often scoff at you for not knowing basic blockstrings and combos, even though many of what they term "basic" require a fair amount of practice (ideally on a home system) to get down pat.
* You're a {{scrub}} if your Ranked Match team in ''[[CapcomVsWhatever Marvel vs. Capcom 2]]'' consists of anything but [[GameBreaker Captain Commando, Psylocke, Cyclops, Cable, Magneto, Storm, or Sentinel]]. Now that the game has been released for [[XboxThreeSixty Xbox Live]], don't you dare complain about seeing the same five or six characters over and over.
* ''{{MUGEN}}'' has a LOT of these guys running around. Due to just how much ground the MUGEN fanbase covers, you are bound to find every type of this imaginable. For every helpful fellow willing to show you the ropes and help you learn how the engine works, you have a hundred angry vets calling you a noob. For every kind soul that offers to guide you to better versions of the characters you like, there are a ton of snarky folks yelling at you for not knowing better. Then there's the fact that nearly every franchise with characters available in the engine has solid fan base and hate bases, so you can expect a lot of controversy in that regard. Finally and probably most aggravatingly, there is the elitist fighting game fanboy that will laugh at you and despise you if you show so much as a passing interest in Mugen. Because clearly enjoying a fighting game engine means you know nothing about fighting games, right?
* The first requested faq on any ''SmackdownVsRaw'' game? "I want a CAW of last year's JohnCena, and 2009's Cena, and 2008's Cena, one with a hat, one without a hat, one with a singlet..." The second requested faq however is "lol what are all the unblockable Gamebreaker moves? I go tke my 98 level CAW to pwn all u noobs cause i'm so l33t lol."
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[[folder:Role Playing Games]]
* ''MassEffect'' has a notorious amount of SHFG. Didn't kill the Rachni queen without metagaming? You're retarded. Didn't keep the Collector base? You deserve to die. Saved the Council? Get off the forum!
** Also, if you don't play on the hardest setting "[[HarderThanHard Insanity]]", then as a rule, you're no better than a {{scrub}}, because according to the BioWare forums, Insanity is apparently "the difficulty the game was meant to be played on."
** Usually inverted on the popular Mass Effect threads on [[ImageBoard 4chan's]] [[VideoGames /v/]] board., though with [[NotSoDifferent similar responses.]] Kill the [[ObstructiveBureaucrat Council?]] What are you doing!? Save the Collector base? You're gonna doom the galaxy! [[ShippingWars Romance]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Tali?]] Bad move! Kill off [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Wrex]] [[EnsembleDarkhorse and]] [[WarriorPoet Grunt]]? Get out right now.
* ''PennyArcade'' has the story of how Gabe [[http://www.penny-arcade.com/2007/07/23/pokemon/ took the mickey out of]] a larval-stage SHFG. Also [[http://www.penny-arcade.com/2007/07/23/awesome/ a follow-up post]] showing why if you are a parent of a young child, you should never, ever let him or her attend an officially sanctioned tournament.
** It also seems that the kids made him recognise the start of potentially similar traits:
-->It was actually really cool to see how much these kids love ''Pokemon''. I've been so into it recently that I think I'd forgotten I should be having fun. With my pages of hand written math and charts of carefully plotted out EV training regiments I actually felt sort of dirty. These little kids were showing me teams comprised not of statistically optimal Pokemon but of their favorites.
* Go to the general board of any ''[[{{Pokemon}} Pokémon]]'' game in GameFaqs, and ask for advice on which moves you should teach to your freshly caught favourite. There will always be someone who will (a) tell you that this pokémon is not suited for competitive use, and point towards better pokémon who outdoes yours in every possible aspect, (b) variation of the first, suggesting an ineffective moveset because your pokémon does not deserve the good [=TMs=], or (c) copy-paste a Smogon moveset, even if it involves chainbreeding.
*** Smogon movesets in particular are rather useless for normal play - the average Smogon moveset requires not only chainbreeding, but also pulling the Pokemon up to 100, EV and IV training every stat from the bottom, and using one-use, hard-to-find items. Also notably, most tiers in the game are based on the rest of the {{metagame}}, and only one Gym Leader in any game (Roark's Geodude and Onix in D/P/P, which he puts aside for the rematch) uses [[GameBreaker Stealth Rock.]] At this point, they aren't even for cartridge play. A lot of them involve giving the pokemon in question a specific Hidden power type, which is impossible in the actual games. They're all really only meant for Shoddy Battle, Smogon's Gen IV battle sim. This in turn means that they totally ignore the idea that some players don't do competitive battles or like to keep things simple.
** It isn't just GameFaqs. Pretty much anywhere the ''{{Pokemon}}'' fandom hangs out you will find REALLY obnoxious {{Stop Having Fun Guys}}. There may be more than even [[SuperSmashBros Smash Bros.]] Wi-fi and {{YouTube}} videos are dominated by them, so much that you can't find a casual battle anywhere unless you play with friends. And the worst of all is Smogon. Whatever you do, don't go to Smogon if you're a casual player.
** In fact, pretty much the entire competitive ''Pokémon'' community is the epitome of this trope. If youíre one of the poor fools who ''dares'' to raise your Pokémon without [[strike:horribly and cruelly abusing/biologically mutating]] EV Training them, you are going to be called a {{Scrub}} and be publicly humiliated. And if you even think about ''thinking about'' mentioning that itís actually a physical possibility to play the game without regard to the endless amounts of soulless numbers and statistics, prepare to be mercilessly flamed until absolutely nothing is left of you.
** Heck, just having the "wrong" ''moveset'' can cause the StopHavingFunGuys to look down upon you. And to put it further, having the wrong nature, stats, and whatnot is also frowned upon.
*** Speaking of "correct" teams and moves: one war story has the teller losing five widely-used competitive Pokemon before sweeping with one normally ranked in the second-lowest tier, to the complete surprise of both players. The hilarity is best appreciated in [[http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=437618 the original thread]] (complete with chat-log).
** Do ''not'' mention you use "Uber" Pokemon. At all. Even if you're just a casual player (IE: Not very competitive) the more hardcore gamers will accuse you of using nothing more than "{{Game Breaker}}s" or "Relying too much on over-powered Pokemon to win battles". Heck, just having an "Uber" on your team and not even ''using'' it counts.
** [[TwoWordsObviousTrope Two words: Action Replay]]. Hardcore Pokemon gamers will frown upon those who use "cheat codes" to obtain certain Pokemon (Mainly Event Pokemon), even though it is technically legal to do so.
*** YourMileageMayVary on this - plenty of SeriousBusiness players are well aware Pokemon in-game isn't meant to be taken seriously, and are happy to let people mess around. [[WallBanger Scrubs playing with their favourite-but-mostly-useless Pokemon on a competitive simulator, however,]] tend to draw [[NerdRage unwanted attention]].
* You're not allowed to run from a battle in a [[{{JRPG}} JRPG]]. Ever. It doesn't matter whether the enemy's kicking your ass hard and it's been hours since you used a save point, you're in a real-life hurry to get to a save point, or the enemy is so weak that there's no point in fighting it for what little spoils you'll gain. If you run from battle, you are a complete [=RPG=] {{Scrub}}.
** God know how you're supposed to advance in ''{{Suikoden}} 2'' then: one of the character recruitments 'requires' a certain amount of battle retreats. SHFG's tend not to be big on logic or exemptions.
* Apparently, you're supposed to enjoy LevelGrinding as well. If you don't, then you just don't know how to have fun in an RPG.
** Averted/Inverted somewhat in ''FinalFantasyVIII''- Level grinding makes the game excessively harder, [[spoiler: the enemies scale with you.]]
*** And then played straight, as actually playing the game with the Experts of ''FFVIII'' will give you a very bizarre SolveTheSoupCans kind of logic in how to "properly" play the game. Said way tends to involve either playing Card Games or trying to Card Them All! Which actually is even LONGER and MORE complicated then normal Level Grinding.
* There is only one [[PlayerParty party]] setup worth using. Every other combination of characters is absolutely worthless. Unless you specify otherwise, everyone will always assume you're using that party.
** Very true in the ''FinalFantasyTactics'' series. Using a Gadgeteer/Tinker? You're an idiot for using a "garbage" class. No matter how much you try to defend your decisions on what classes you use and how you use them, the "expert" players will just lecture you on how the other classes are so much better than what you use, despite the fact that Advance and A2 are pretty easy to beat with almost any class set up you use.
* At the other extreme there's a set of {{Scrubs}} who will sneer at anyone who's crappy enough to "need" all the best stuff to win, in effect declaring [[SelfImposedChallenge Self Imposed Challenges]] the only valid way to play. Apparently if you're not playing through the game as a level 1 solo JokeCharacter without equipment you suck and have no business playing it.
* On that note, do not mention Break HP Limit to any ''FinalFantasyX''. Ever. Otherwise, be prepared for a paragraph of text on how stupid you are for even thinking of using it, and another paragraph on how you're SUPPOSED to be fighting "Insert Bonus Boss Here". Like the ''FFVIII'' example, it tends to be a SolveTheSoupCans! Logic that probably involves just as much work to find all the parts that you need. Figures.
* A perfect example of what happens when you mix this with FanDumb is shown [[http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=10983 here]]. Beware the [[{{Narm}} "Tyranny of Fun"]]!
* Do you want to have fun playing [[{{RPG}} RPGs]]? [[http://lotfp.blogspot.com/2008/06/i-hate-fun.html James Raggi]] considers you inferior. "Inferior" is perhaps too nice a word; "the scum of the earth" is a more accurate way of putting it. He even put up an followup to the article insulting anybody who was linked to it from this wiki.
* Try playing ''{{Fallout}} 3'' without using VATS much, or by actually playing as a good guy. Prepare to have people yelling your head off.
** Even if it's not a competitive game, don't you dare admit to using certain perks, like the ones that increase your experience gain or reveal all the map locations, because you're a {{noob}} who needs to level up faster to play the game to win.
*** Actually, don't even bother admitting to playing or liking ''Fallout 3'' even if it's the ever buggy PC version. There are many a SHFG who whines endlessly about their dislike for the game and will not allow you to enjoy it on those merits.
* When faced with a party of {{Munchkin}}s, a game of ''DungeonsAndDragons'' can turn into this very quickly. Woe to you if you happen to have a character who is not [[MinMaxing min-maxed]] up the arse. Even if you want to make a character who fulfils a role that the party needs, you're still a worthless maggot because you aren't multiclassing/are multiclassing/aren't using a [[GameBreaker cleric or druid]].
** It can be a real problem in some editions if characters are at different levels of [[MinMaxing min/maxing]]: the game balance can be shattered. A character min/maxed by a pro and a character made by a person new to the game can have such a gap in power and survivability that anything that would be a challenge for the min/maxed character is likely to destroy the new person's character in one round. A certain amount of balance must be struck in this case where the DM either reigns in the min/maxed character or helps the new player min/max their character somewhat, or a combination thereof. What makes the StopHavingFunGuy is he will be unwilling to either tone down his character or help the other player beef up his, instead deciding to berate and insist that his character is not the problem at all and expect everyone to play his way.
*** ''{{Exalted}}'' has a similar problem. Unless all the [=PCs=] put some effort into being combat-capable, anything that can even remotely challenge the combat-monsters will shred the non-combatants before they can blink.
* There was a time in ''AdventureQuest'''s history (before a lot of the new quests were released with scaled level versions) when they were all one difficulty. Then ''Fire War'' was released, a low-to-medium level quest against the fire mage Drakkonan. This was immediately followed by a string of level 80+ content. When people complained that they couldn't do any of the new content they were told in no uncertain terms that low-level players had been given one special event and that was enough. Some particularly {{egregious}} arguments insinuated that even giving low-level players one event amounted to insufferable persecution of hardcore fans.
* ''{{Disgaea2}}''. Do you use monster classes for anything other that Magichange? You are noob, humanoids are way better. The best class is [[strike:Samurai]] MagicKnight. And God help you if you teach healer any attack magic.
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* Honorable Mention goes to the various "real musicians" who tell players of games like ''GuitarHero'' and ''Rock Band'' that they should stop playing video games and learn a real instrument, ignoring the fact there are no ''ModernWarfare'' fans killing passengers at airports like the infamous ''No Russian'' level, or otherwise stop playing video games and join the real CIA. Most of the time, however, these people fail to realize that these games do not just emulate playing an instrument, but the entire rock star lifestyle, which would normally be extremely improbable to obtain in real life regardless of how well one can play a real guitar.
** Harmonix have responded to these complaints by adding the more realistic Pro Mode for ''RockBand 3'', in which drummers get to use additional cymbals, keyboardists get to use the entire two-octave keyboard at once, and most anticipated of all, guitarrists can use a new guitar controller with six strings and over a hundred buttons on its neck to more accurately simulate guitar playing, with a proper, fully-functional six-string controller on its way. This, in turn, has bred a new kind of Stop Having Fun Guy, who insists that no matter how good a guitarrist this game may make you, you're still a {{scrub}} for learning to play through a video game instead of practicing by yourself.
** Some ''actual musicians in bands'' have tried rhythm games and failed, simply because the controllers are different than actual guitars or drums, for a variety of reasons[[hottip:* :For example, the game might represent a guitar arpeggio by having the player move up and down the neck, while a "real" guitarist would hold one chord the whole time and pluck each string in sequence. Also, an experienced musician playing a familiar song [[DamnYouMuscleMemory must fight his or her own muscle memory]], similar to being HollywoodToneDeaf. In addition, lots of notes are generally left out when playing on lower difficulties, so it's also possible to fail just by playing null notes]]. One such example appears in ''GeneSimmonsFamilyJewels'', where KISS tries to play ''Detroit Rock City'' on ''Rock Band 2'', but fails after only a few seconds. Such encounters often leads the game's fans [[FanDumb to accuse the musicians of not being able to play their instruments.]]
** Actually there are people wondering why anyone can have fun playing FPS and/or fantasy action games if the only proper way to have fun of shooting and fighting is, respectively, training at the shooting range/IPSC course or joining local medieval reenactment group.
** [[UnfortunateImplications One wonders if, for games like]] ''CommandAndConquer'', ''MedalOfHonor'' and the like, [[IfYoureSoEvilEatThisKitten Al Qaeda feel the same]].
* You're not allowed to play ''pop'n music'' with the Beat-Pop modifier. After all, if you want gray and blue notes so badly, why not just play ''{{beatmania}} IIDX''?
* ''DanceDanceRevolution'' (along with its counterparts PumpItUp and InTheGroove) have similar issues throughout:
** When it comes to the safety bar, the players can be easily separated into two types: those who support their weight with it [[ChallengeGamer to achieve the highest score]], and those who [[SelfImposedChallenge adamantly refuse to do so]] because they think [[{{Scrub}} it's more fun that way]]. Both groups are equally vocal and equally annoying. Some in the anti-bar camp will heckle or even outright smack the hand of any player whom they see reaching for the bar. Even if the player is trying to beat [[ThatOneBoss That One Song]] or play [[HarderThanHard Oni Mode]] (where you have to play 5+ songs in a row without breaks, and missing 4 steps out of 300+ on any one song will fail you and end your game on the spot) or Survival Mode (instead of missing 4 notes max, it becomes a TimedMission with only accurate stepping to keep the timer alive for the most part).
** Similar but lesser hate can be directed as a player who uses speed mods or any built-in noteskins to make reading stepcharts easier, [[WallBanger even if some of this noteskins are default options on some of the games]]. The only possible exception is the Solo modifier on older DDR arcade releases: due to a bug, if one player chose Solo, both players had to have it on.
* For a while, the speed mod debate carried over to ''GuitarHero''. It certainly didn't help that in all ''Guitar Hero'' games so far '''but''' ''[=GH5=]''[[hottip:* :Yes, even ''VanHalen'', which was released after ''[=GH5=]'', if only because it ran on a pre-''[=GH5=]'' engine.]], speed modifiers were filed under the cheats menu.
* The online game [[http://www.jamlegend.com JamLegend]]'s score system awards most experienced players a golden "P" (pro) badge.Pray you don't end up in a multiplayer match made up of pros...
** Besides that, most comments on the songs will simply consist of "FC" (Full Combo), sometimes followed up with "Too easy" or "Can't believe someone failed it".The moderator staff deleted them at first, but eventually resigned and let the [=SHFGs=] shout out their pride.
* Homebrew Bemani games falls victim to SHFG traps, most stepcharts wind up in the vein of "It is supposed to be hard, learn to play" songs. Rather evident in StepMania and Osu!
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[[folder:Online Roleplaying Games]]
* ''Ragnarok Online'' features a multitude of classes you can choose from, and because of the set-up for the stats and skills layout, you can have very unorthodox builds for any given class. Many classes are designed with certain builds in mind, but there is nothing stopping you from making a screwball build - Battle Wizard, Flee-Monk, Agility Crusader. God forbid you actually admit to working on one, especially to a guild that focuses heavily on WoE combat.
* ''CityOfHeroes'' (and its counterpart game, ''City of Villains'') have a couple archetype combinations and maps that get used extensively by the twink crowd. In ''City of Heroes,'' it's Fire/Kinetics Controllers that are viewed as the most powerful, with two particular maps used. ''City of Villains'' is a bit more complex, but the popular choice is to pair an (area of effect emphasis)/Stone Armor Brute and a (area of effect emphasis)/Kinetics Corruptor (popular combinations are Super Strength/Stone Armor and Fire Blast/Kinetics). The map of choice is Battle For Television. They will then set up teams and farm it. While this is a very effective way to gain money, it is extremely monotonous and many of the people that set these up are also completely passionless and very strict about the conduct of the team fillers, with the most extreme of them not even letting them on the map to share the rewards (though even these ones usually tell you ahead of time, and let you leave once all the enemies on the map are spawned). Then there are the people that refuse to do anything ''but'' this type of team...
** Amusingly, a lot of the more strident fans of farming the same map over and over and over and over in the pursuit of easy leveling and quick money accumulation will deride doing missions as "boring and repetitive". The {{Irony}} in such statements is stunning.
** This section of the playerbase also relentlessly pursues and abuses other exploits for risk-free experience.
** And now that we have the Invention system implemented, expect any player that doesn't use and abuse it to twink out his character to ridiculous levels to be mocked mercilessly by the usual suspects.
*** Those who aren't mocking people for not using it to make money of course.
* If you aren't willing to put up with the restrictions and are willing to invest a lot of time into it, forget about two things in ''WorldOfWarcraft:'' Raids and Arena. There is a very vocal group of players who believe you don't deserve any sort of advancement if you don't participate in either of these aspects. Never mind the fact that raids don't necessarily require skill, and that neither are particularly fun at their upper tiers primarily due to the high volume of these people at that level.
* When 10-man raids were first announced, there was a huge uproar from the hardcore raider crowd. Some arguments against the change were reasonable, but many other arguments basically boiled down to: "You're not allowed access to this type of content because we say so."
** On a very similar note, Blizzard has announced that in the upcoming expansion, Cataclysm, Battleground PvP, most often considered by [=SHFGs=] to be a complete and total waste of arena time, is going to provide rewards at least on par with Arena gear. As can be expected, posting about it on ANY Arena forums is a bad idea.
* The infamous [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtvIYRrgZ04 50 DKP Minus person]]; this is the kind of player that can make ''WorldOfWarcraft'' very unpleasant. Alas, [[http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/ding/Ding-2008-06-26.aspx they abound]], especially on open world [[PlayerVersusPlayer PvP]] servers.
** The server Tichondrius is widely known to be the worst in ''WorldOfWarcraft'', as it is filled to the gills with elitist [=PvPer=] jerks who will actually SCAN YOUR ARMORY PROFILE to make sure you are a seasoned [=PvPer=]. If you aren't? You're blacklisted by all players. Fun does not exist here and so (as the servers motto goes) "Tichondrius is Not For You".
*** The cross-server dungeon finder has had the unfortunate side effect of exposing Tichondrius players to the other servers. With shocking regularity when one party member stands out as being pushy, raging at the slightest delay, calling everyone noobs at the slightest provocation, and screaming over their deaths despite having aggroed an entire group while not being a tank, they are from Tichondrius.
*** The Rampage US battlegroup has similar problems with TWO such servers; Illidan and Cho'gall. Don't argue with them. {{Just smile and nod}}. Their vision is based on movement.
** The official ''World of Warcraft'' class forums are chock full of posters that epitomize this trope. Don't have a + 16 Intellect gem in every gem slot of your gear? Then you are the worst Holy Paladin in the world and deserve to be boiled in acid. Have a talent point spent somewhere other than in the cookie-cutter build? Delete your character immediately and never play ''World of Warcraft'' again, you complete and utter loser.
** There are massive complaints on the forums by the very vocal minority of "Hardcore" Raiders stating how Blizzard is ruining the game by allowing Casual Gamers to acquire endgame gear with the new Random Dungeon Finder tool (which allows players to get into Pick Up Groups that have a fair chance of not sucking, and hands out endgame loot tokens for successful runs). Has everyone forgotten that ''World of Warcraft'' has always been a casual-player-targeted MMO?
** They also whined a lot during the ''Burning Crusade'' and ''Wrath of The Lich King'' major class revamps, commenting the game becoming too easy to play for noobs with little skills that can play with little or no addons. They seem to forget that even with the new changes, it still requires some skill to play classes, not to mention that players have to incorporate the new abilities and changes in their gameplay. This has continued into ''Cataclysm'', with complaints about the new information displays. These mostly consist of giving people information they weren't previously given in the game but which is vital for progression content. Their attitude is apparently that instead of being given this info, they should have to look it up on third-party sources. There is no thought or skill involved in looking up these numbers, it's simply adds to the already extensive busywork of the end-game. But apparently actually providing these fundamental stats is catering to noobs.
** The Random Dungeon Finder combined with the new gearscore attributes have caused a whole new outbreak of StopHavingFunGuys. It's not at all uncommon to wait some time to get a random group, only to have the tank and/or healer (the two hardest members to find) look at your gearscore and immediately declare they are "not playing with a bunch of noobs" and drop group - even if said gearscore is equivalent to raid-quality gear prior to the most recent raid dungeon updates and you are playing an easy 5-man instance. It can also lead to party leaders voting to boot other party members with "unacceptable" gear scores. An exceptionally petty action when the said low-scoring player is probably still leveling their endgame gear and they just got bumped from the chance to earn tokens to buy better gear, and by getting booted from a random dungeon party, they are now forced to re-queue. The worst bit is that the point at which a gear score stops being too low is about the same point as you don't want any of the gear from the dungeon anyway. If you actually need something from the dungeon you're running, you're not good enough.
*** It should be noted that [=GearScore=] ''is not'' an in-game attribute, but a UI mod that assigns scores to equippable items and tallies your scores up to determine how well-geared you are. It's basically a tool to allow StopHavingFunGuys to be lazy about their elitism.
** Some people have this very attitude towards vanity items and the people who farm for them: Why would you farm for a mount and/or pet? It doesn't help you during a [[BossBattle boss fight]]. Same goes for people who do Vanilla/BC raids. You're dumb for collecting old gear that's outmatched by the greens you got while questing in Outlands/Northrend.
* Instant-Message Roleplay has its own breed of the Stop Having Fun Guy. It's the type that demands a great number of Instant Message boxes be filled per post, and will throw a fit if you do anything under the limit. Most people would be hard-pressed to stretch a single action into ''three''. How they manage to find people to play with is anyone's guess.
* AOL. AOL by far has some of the worst "Stop having fun guys" [=RPers=]. The standard fare to RP with anyone is: you must have a well thought out profile (this apparently is the most important thing. Also if it's not schwag and it doesn't have a picture, it's not "well thought out"), can type two full IM boxes consistently, and should have a storyline to play along with (although some offer their own). And then there's the whole vocabulary thing (calling eyes "orbs" and ears "radars" of all things). There was also a group that booted you out of the room if you didn't RP ''fast enough'', claiming they do a mostly "talking" RP.
** AOL roleplayers have eased up a little lately. For one, AOL has so badly wrecked its profile system that people just e-mail their info to each other.
* AOL Free-form RP (FFRP). With the 'ability' to "roll" various amounts of "dice" with various amounts of "sides" (i.e., a random number generator), there was infinite potential to not have fun. Combat tended to be speed-typing-based and not round-by-round (i.e., D&D style), which meant that 'fights' turned into copy-pasting "punches him" followed by the roll command over and over again. Which was de-funned even further by stipulations on minimum-word limits, time limits between actions, and refusals to recognize actions for one reason or another ("You can't just say 'fires a gun at him'! What kind of gun? What kind of bullets? What are you aiming at?") All this cat-herding was ruled over by a series of unofficial "official" enforcers of rules (a.k.a. clans or guilds), none of which required anything more than a hastily-assembled webpage of rules. And don't you dare laugh at any of this. It was SeriousBusiness.
* In Yahoo! Chat, back when it actually had user rooms, if you couldn't do three eight line paragraphs about the simple act of throwing a punch, then you just couldn't RP, noob!
* The reverse has been known to be true as well; some players advocate a maximum number of lines (usually three or five) per post for a variety of reasons that boil down to "you're a noob if you can't say what you need to say in three lines" or "you're a poser who pads his posts with {{purple prose}}." It can become a CyclicTrope when the para-posters become dominant in a particular chat, leave a couple of disgruntled veterans who aren't on the paragraph side, and the latter become role models for a lot of newbies who don't like the para-post clans, form their own clans until they become dominant in numbers and the para-posting clans disintegrate, leaving behind a few old guard who start wowing the newbies with their "mad posting skillz..."
* There's been a recent controversy on {{Twitter}}, specifically the "[=TwitterDex=]", a group of people who like to act out ''{{Pokemon}}'' Tweets that have their own wiki. A recent influx of people portraying characters from the games (such as [[http://twitter.com/E4Karen Karen]], [[http://twitter.com/Champion_Lance Lance]], and [[http://twitter.com/ChampionSteven Steven]]) who chose to portray their characters in slightly different ways than they're shown in {{canon}} have crossed paths with the "veterans" who think that the Twitter series they're posting "isn't an RP" and that their characters are "out of line". A recent incident involving a party at Steven's house where people drank and had a good time ([[TheRuleOfFirstAdopters some more than others]], though nothing truly explicit occurred) was shut down when Steven reached his Tweet Limit for the day and arguments regarding the portrayal of characters and clogging up followers' feeds with multiple tweets began.
* Forum [[PlayByPostGames Play-by-posts]]. Seriously many people require you to have an extreme amounts of actions taken. Of course this may also happen when you are playing numerous characters or [[{{NPC}} Non-player characters]] at once, which would result in a longer post; but if you have only ONE character, then you MUST match theirs in length and description! [[WallBanger Even when you are NOT in control of the environment and therefore have nothing else to describe but your character's actions.]] Another case where it goes both ways - some StopHavingFunGuys will demand that you simply don't overload them with details or introduce them over time, and will enable you to get away with a shorter post, and if you do too much stuff then you're overwhelming other players or are just trying to show off. Bottom line? Either try and balance "Get right to the point" and "Enriching the world", don't add details for the sake of longer posts and don't just say you nod and that's all, or adapt to the type of game you're in.
* {{MUSH}}es and {{MUCK}}s often suffer from the above phenomena too. Some will encourage (or require) you to write "long, descriptive" poses or character descriptions (what others see when they "@look" at your character), where it turns out that "long and descriptive" actually means "a giant rambling paragraph of PurpleProse." And then there are the competitive posers who try to constantly one-up each other in length and PurpleProse...
* ''Efedding''. It's a forum-based writing/roleplaying game with ProfessionalWrestling as a backdrop. ''Efedding'' players can generally be broken down into "storyline" (writing short stories and chapters thereof featuring your character(s)) and "trashtalk" (doing like real pro wrestlers do and talk trash about your opponent and the match). Stop Having Fun Guys exist on both ends of the spectrum. Trashtalker [=SHFGs=] consider storyliners to be pretentious psuedo-intellectuals who don't know how to play the game. Storyliner [=SHFGs=] consider trashtalkers to be uncreative dullards who don't know how to play the game.
* In ''[[PhantasyStar Phantasy Star Universe]]'', there is a large group of people who will boot you from the party for a number of reasons. Picking up "trash" rare items (Even when there is some value to them)? Not having the right Weapon/Armor element (especially at a low percent)? Having weapons that are not grinded (enough)? Having low Photon Art levels? Daring to not play as the "right" race/class combo, ''especially'' as a disadvantaged one (Beast Ranger, Newman Hunter, CAST Force)? Getting most of the ''good'' rares when the setting's on Set Random? Oh Noes! Hell, ''just being there'' at the end boxes on missions is a viable reason to be kicked from the party. You don't have to do much to get booted from the party. Sometimes even nothing at all...
* In ''EVEOnline'' there's a constant struggle going on between "carebears" who do non-PvP related activities such as mining or mission running and the [=PvPers=] and pirates. Sure, there's the saying that "PvP in EVE is consensual and you consent whenever you undock", but [=PvPers=] seem to be of the mind that the game is ALL PvP and you should not have the freedom to play the game the way you like - if you prefer to fly out into an asteroid belt and shoot rocks with a mining laser, you ''deserve'' to die and be taunted for it. This despite the fact that freedom of gameplay is EVE's biggest drawcard and that half the ingame economy is powered by carebears. They're a little more forgiving if you're a new player, and don't have the skills or equipment to survive in 0.0, but veteran players have no excuse. (Which is not to say there aren't carebear players who are just as SeriousBusiness).
** For an even more illuminating case study, look toward the big 0.0 player alliances. Consider "alarm clock ops", where in a game where the potential conflict runs 23/7 in real time, you have players in other time zones setting their alarm clocks to wake them up in the middle of the night to go on them - and if you don't, you're letting your alliance down. And that's just scratching the surface. In 2009, a director in the Band Of Brothers alliance (whom for years had been imposable to destroy), on a lark, created a noob character and got him enlisted in Goonswarm - [=BoB's=] biggest competitor and the resident SomethingAwful stronghold. Hanging out with them apparently made him realize that [[http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/64347 he was sick of the BoB]] SeriousBusiness mentality, so he outed himself and offered to defect. And he did...[[http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2737&tid=7 taking BoB down with him]]. The resulting explosion, fallout and power vacuum were epic.
* ''{{Maplestory}}''. If you don't have the right gear, or if your damage isn't up to par with the (increasingly more) absurd standards set by the "pros" (read: people who spend entire days just merchanting for Meso, the game's currency), or if you're playing one of the least popular classes, or, God forbid, if you play the game for fun rather than for leveling up. (Such as, say, NOT hiring a high level cleric to train you, a costly but fast process that lets you skip ahead in levels quickly), you're a noob.
* As far as many ''{{Runescape}}'' players are concerned, if you haven't leveled all of your Free-to-play skills up to ''at least'' 75 than you're barely playing the game. And don't even consider buying a membership; you aren't worthy.
** However, in the PVP worlds, each and every person there can qualify as the MostTriumphantExample of this trope. Heal when you're not low health? You get flamed. Use certain weapons? Flamed. Have a balanced level rather than specialise in one thing? You're labelled the scum of the earth. It reeks of [[{{Munchkin}} Munchkinism]] constantly, and it's why a lot of people avoid the PVP of the game.
* ''FinalFantasyXI''. Dear God, ''FinalFantasyXI''. The game has 20 jobs, of which you can pick a main and a sub. Of those 300+ combinations, there are maybe 15 that are acceptable to the SHFG: Any Melee class that is not Samurai or Dragoon shouldn't even bother leaving the Mog house. Sorry Warriors, Dark Knights, Thieves, etc -- you're only going to be invited to a [=SHFG's=] party if there aren't any Samurais or Dragoons available. If you are not playing Samurai or Dragoon because you have already taken both to the level cap -- you should expect to have one of three subjobs as a melee -- either /SAM (for anyone over 60), /WAR (for anyone under 60) and /NIN (for parties with a particularly loud [=SHFG=] leader). These are the only acceptable subjobs, all others will be asked to change before leaving town.
** For spellcasters: black mages should either [[LevelGrinding level grind]] solo (which is tricky and works best at higher levels) or party with other black mages in what's called a manaburn party. Likewise, Summoners should [[LevelGrinding level grind]] solely with other summoners, which is similarly called an astralburn party. All normal levelling parties should have a [[TheRedMage Red Mage]] as healer/buffer/debuffer, and have no need for any other caster. And everyone wants a bard for their wide variety of powerful [[StatusBuff buffs]]. Other spellcasters else should not waste their own time. The others -- Scholar, White, and Blue Mages -- are unfortunately only useful as subjobs.
** Ninja is the only job that can naturally [[DualWielding dual wield weapons]], has a variety of spells (Ninjutsu) and can usually do generally respectable damage. However, none of this is likely to matter, because one of those spells creates a few [[DopplegangerSpin shadow images]] which effectively cause the next few normal attacks to automatically miss. The StopHavingFunGuys realized early on that when used properly, casting this over and over would make the ninja effectively invincible in most situations, both by avoiding damage and by preventing enemies from using their [[LimitBreak limit breaks]]. Thus, "Blink Tanking" became the norm. In its most common form, a NIN/WAR gets a monster's attention, then uses shadow images to absorb its attacks while the rest of the party kills it. At high levels, a WAR/NIN can do likewise, although the spellcasting mechanics make it slightly more difficult and less reliable. In addition, other melee characters will frequently use Ninja as a subjob, both to allow DualWielding and for the above shadow image spell. However, some [=SHFGs=] insist that ''all'' players use Ninja as a subjob, even those who get little out of it, mainly because it ''weakens'' the player's damage output and makes the duties of the healer and "Blink Tank" a little easier.
** [[MagicDance Dancer]], [[MarionetteMaster Puppet]][[LethalJokeCharacter master]] and [[TheBeastmaster Beastmasters]] are nearly unseen in parties. Fortunately, all three can solo reasonably well. There are several reasons for this: none of them add anything to a party that other jobs can't do just as well; dancer is a late addition to the game, puppetmaster requires a little [[DifficultButAwesome more effort, investment and planning]] than most jobs to be similarly effective, as well as relying on an [[AIRoulette unpredictable]] [[RobotBuddy automaton]]. Beastmaster is commonly seen as the best job to solo with by [=SHFG=] and regular players alike, and their reliable pets tend to either be mediocre or [[GlassCannon easily killed]].
** The StopHavingFunGuy mentality on ''FinalFantasyXI'' goes beyond choice of job; choice of camp and party style are ways you can "do it wrong" too. Many of the above narrow job choice demands are based primarily on what's optimal in a meleeburn against colibri (or less commonly against puks and [[LizardFolk Mamool Ja]]. If you aren't meleeburning colibri, you had better be solo, or in a manaburn or [[GameBreaker astralburn]] instead; if you're fighting anything else in any sort of way aside from those two, at ''best'' the local SHFG will [[StopHelpingMe persistently "gently" remind you how inefficient you are at getting XP and provide "tips for improvement"]], and at worst tear you a new one.
*** And Heaven help you if you decide to use a weapon uncommon to your job--for instance, using a pole as a Monk. Even if you're soloing and NOT looking for a group. On the plains outside the Valkurm Dunes.
*** It is worth noting that very little of this applies to high level raid-style content, which commonly requires jobs that are considered useless for optimal LevelGrinding, especially thief to increase [[RandomlyDrops drop rates]], paladin tanks to survive powerful enemy [[LimitBreak limit breaks]] and magic damage, white mages for more efficient heals and better [[DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist raises]], and rangers and black mages for long-ranged burst damage. Dancer, puppetmaster, beastmaster and corsair are still rarely seen, however.
* GuildWars has this often when it comes to character builds. Woe betide you if you try something unique. There's only a certain type of build you can use, and if you don't do this, you suck.
** Better yet, no one will tell you what these builds are or where to get the skills needed for them! At most, you'll get the name for the build. As if this is supposed to instantly communicate everything you need to know.
* [[LivejournalRoleplay Roleplay on LiveJournal]] has a lot of these. Occasionally slip up in your characterization? You're the scum of the Internet and need to gtfo of LJ. The anon meme and Roleplay Secrets community combine this with the {{GIFT}} for extra vitriol, to the point where there are threads complaining about people using the "wrong" ''userpics'' or formatting their comments "wrong." Also, dare to play out a gay couple and you ''will'' be snarked at because according to the StopHavingFunGuys (or girls), [[YaoiFangirl you're only in it for the sparkly buttsex]] and/or because having a character whose orientation is never mentioned in canon be gay or bisexual is [[WallBanger somehow]] OOC.
* There are plenty of these in the ''DungeonFighterOnline'' community, especially concerning builds and play styles. If you like playing the normal game at all, then you are a worthless n00b (never mind that thegame isn't really made for PVP). Several skills are considered "useless," and even if you demonstrate how they can be particularly useful, you are derided for picking a "worthless" build. This game is unique because you could have a 100% win record in PVP, yet still be called a bad player if your build has "worthless" skills, no matter how much they helped you win. David Sirlin himself would be derided.
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[[folder:Newspaper Comics]]
* Brilliantly skewered in a CalvinAndHobbes strip where Calvin is criticizing a clay tiger made by Hobbes.
--> Hobbes: Who cares, I wanted to make it.
--> Calvin: What is this, some sort of snobby '''''aesthetic''''' thing?!
* Also shown in ''BabyBlues''. Zoe wants to have some fun cup-stacking while Darryl offers to be her coach. When she refuses, saying she just wants to have fun with cup-stacking, Darryl asks, "What kind of mentality is that?!"
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[[folder:First Person Shooters]]
* A "noob weapon" is defined as any gun that does decent damage and doesn't fire every other shot at your own head.
* These guys occupy ''both'' sides of the debate over snipers. Either sniping is pro and people just need to stop whining (often with additional statements that it's unrealistic that they have to get a headshot to kill in one hit and / or bragging about no-scoping), or snipers are noobs who can't play properly and so have to camp for cheap kills, where "cheap" is defined as killing the player in question.
* If you ''do'' like to snipe, for the love of God, ''never'' get a bodyshot kill or people will view you as a CompleteMonster.
* Any competitive game in general attracts this, but due to the fact that most FirstPersonShooter multiplayer games are pretty much competitive, it quickly deteriorates from simple fun where you wanna come back to a "Win to Live" mentality. If you have more deaths than you do kills, then get the hell off the server and play with a bunch of kids, you noobling! You use anything unconventional? BURN IN HELL FOREVER!!! The mentality of too many players of FirstPersonShooters is comparable to if they were actually in war and someone ''does'' die a painful death if someone's goofing around.
* Word of advice: If you're really suicidal, say the words "Maybe I'll use the autosnipe next round" to hardcore {{CounterStrike}} players.
* ''TeamFortress2'' is something of a BrokenBase on its own, and the competitive community in it is actually fairly nice to people (of course, there are exceptions) but the people who complain about how it's an objectively terrible game because it doesn't take as much skill as its predecessor, Team Fortress Classic are a vocal enough group to be considered the Stop Having Fun Guys of the TF fandom. Never mind the fact that [[WordOfGod the game's developers said that their goal was to make a more balanced game than TFC, which they said was extremely unbalanced]], it takes less skill and the Medic is no longer an attacking class. It's just a horrible game and if you say otherwise you're an awful person who doesn't deserve to own a PC.
** A good portion of the competitive [=TF2=] players seem to think that if you're not playing 6v6 nocrit matches with them, then you're off playing 32-man Instant Respawn 2fort, crouched behind your Sentry holding Mouse1.
** Then there is the inverse: the people who enter public servers with few players and declare "no playing serious." What this means varies from just not going after objectives to straight-up not doing much of anything, but the one constant is that anyone who joins afterwards will be unable to tell until it is too late and he has already broken these unspoken, unwritten rules. At which point the other players will immediately assume he did it on purpose (even though he just joined) and shun him until he leaves.
*** On some of these "no playing serious" servers, any player who is performing a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xV2lfInZ3w "Spycrab Walk"]] is not to be attacked for any reason by the opposing team. Players who kill [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoodbadBugs "Spycrabs"]] on these servers are subject to ridicule and are occasionally kicked or even banned for this transgression.
** This game's version of "No Items Fox Only Final Destination": "No Spread No Crits No Unlocks Max Damage 2Fort"
** [[MemeticMutation Gentlemen?]] Meet [[http://kotaku.com/5527812/team-fortress-2-update-puts-a-medal-on-your-chest ghost4.]] [[IncrediblyLamePun What's a ghost4? For booing at the developers]] for implementing a badge for those who first played the game over a year after it came out and calling them "Weekend Warriors," which he considers insulting.
*** Said medal was changed to bear the name "Mercenary" before the medals were even released (within hours of the original announcement, in fact - it was likely even changed before the FlameWar above took place), and the original page showing it with the "Weekend Warrior" name had the "Mercenary" version put in very quickly, [[DisContinuity erasing all mention of the old name from any of Valve's pages.]]
** A fairly recent example: Competitive leagues have recently decided they're removing the Sandman (a scout bat which also hits a baseball to stun people), Natasha (A heavy minigun which slows targets down when shot), and the Wrangler (an engineer pistol replacement allowing them to take control of their sentry gun from their next season. While, regardless of the backlash, many people have spoken up and give good reasons (or [[YourMilageMayVary not-so-good ones]]), others have decided to say otherwise.
*** Arguably a case of "Lets have some fun guys" as many find those weapons make the game significantly less enjoyable.
** The general community also gets pretty vocal about weapon loadouts. No matter how balanced a set of alternative weapons may be, one of them will always be the infinitely superior choice and you must have it equipped at all times. God forbid anyone ever uses the Backburner or the Bonesaw in public. They will be promptly shat on and told at length how much better one of the other choices is.
*** One word: Demoknights. After the Demoman gained the ability to give up his StickyBomb ability for increased melee potential, players will either complain about either how using stickies is unfair because it encourages camping or that Valve never should have given the ''demolitions'' man an ability completely unrelated to [[StuffBlowingUp blowing shit up]].
* ''{{Halo}} 2''. They're the ones that start crying when you suggest playing Swords or Rockets or anything that isn't a team game. Or when you suggest playing on Beaver Creek. They'll generally only play Capture the Flag, on Blood Gulch, with Heavy Weapons. Or, they'll get on your ass if you use any weapon other than the Battle Rifle...
* ''Left4Dead''. While people do need a good amount of skill to survive the Advanced and Expert difficulties, some players will immediately kill or boot another player from the game if they make just one mistake and/or call them a n00b for not knowing how to play properly. Shown a lot more in VS mode where team members will accuse you of making them lose because of...well, anything. Because of stuff like this, [[{{Griefer}} some people get pure joy in making other players rage at their bad game playing]]. This becomes more apparent when you get scolded or booted from the game for something that could be beyond your control, such as shooting someone by accident as they wander into your line of fire or popping a Boomer that was next to someone as it catches you by surprise. Doubly annoying in Versus mode, as there is no place to practice the infected side other than during an actual match.
** You must use the [[ComplacentGamingSyndrome autoshotgun]]! If you pick the assault rifle or (God forbid) the hunting rifle, [[SarcasmMode you're hurting your team so much you may as well be teamkilling]]. (Amusingly enough, many people consider the hunting rifle, and its big brother the military sniper rifle, some of the best guns in the sequel, plus the hunting rifle in the first game now had its accuracy buffed up so opinions may change.)
** Just try playing a pub Versus game and not exploiting glitches such as getting pushed through walls or "shiva stacking" (huddling in a corner during zombie rushes, making you all but invincible). You will be booted so fast your head will spin. This was the case in the first game, but thanks to new types of crescendo events plus new special infected in the sequel, the old tricks are not encouraged as much.
** Heck, just lacking a microphone will get you booted by people who take communicating in games very seriously. It seems having no mic at all automatically makes you a sucky player instantly.
** Most of time you are just kicked out without giving a reason. You are left wondering why, as asking for explanation does nothing. If you are lucky, you are called "n00b" or "[[WallBanger you have less than X amount of playing time, learn to play]]".
** Heaven forbid you have a poor connection - [[SarcasmMode it's obviously not possible to have difficulty playing due to a slow connection,]] [[YouFailLogicForever clearly your slow connection is caused by you sucking at the game]] and not by being too far from the server host, simply having a lower-powered Internet setup or computer, etc.
** Another VS example: players who are serious about winning will demand other players to rush the maps so that the infected team will not have time to spawn properly and catch up. It is a legit tactic, but god forbid that you need a few seconds to heal up or are actually caught by a special infected and need help. For the players who demand to rush, they will blame you should you fall behind for reasons beyond your control.
* If you want to get ''[=~The Hidden: Source~=]'' players up in arms before you even finish your sentence, just mention the "pig stick." It's a OneHitKill available to the Hidden player, in exchange for making them unable to move throughout the three-second animation. It also makes a noticeable sound; the Hidden player's advantage being that he's ''invisible'', this is a seriously bad thing. Yet [[strike:most]] players insist it be turned off, because anyone who uses it is a hacking noob. It's seriously the most polarizing game mechanic this side of ''TeamFortress2''.
* ''QuakeIIIArena'' and it's online reproduction, ''Quake Live'' are fairly immune. The simplicity of the weapons and the purity of their purpose means ''every'' weapon (even your intentionally nerf-y starting weapon) is useful in ''some'' situation, in which its use is almost necessary. Plus, the structure of the game means that there are very few modifications to one's playstyle that are necessary to start playing as effectively as possible - namely, learn when powerups respawn, and try harder. Well... ''fairly'' immune: the {{Munchkin}}s and tourney-obsessed will also force their games to display opponents as one type of character and make the level textures lighter, but the latter may be blocked in ''Quake Live''. Speaking of which...
* ...the discussions about the ''[[ExpansionPack Quake III: Team Arena]]'' stuff in ''Quake Live'' at the official forums have many players who will want your death if you ''dare'' to use the Nailgun, Chaingun, Prox Launcher, Runes, Kamikaze or Invulnerability; or even if you vote the qzteam* maps.
* ''ModernWarfare 2'': A number of these show up in online play with regards to player gear. Assault rifles, for example: the SCAR-H/ACR fanboys will flame anyone for even daring to use an assault rifle that isn't their most treasured weapon, even players who have ''not yet unlocked'' the ACR. Bonus points if the player is using a FAL which is probably the least-liked assault rifle for not being able to unload its magazine instantly. Grenade-launcher attachments are called Noob-Tubes; if the KnifeNut and Akimbo Shotgun kits suddenly flood a match you can guarantee that anyone trying to use anything else will be flamed for not being a real player. The riot shield is probably the biggest offender to the trope, despite making the player ImmuneToBullets, and its ability to dominate in close-ranged fire-fights especially against opponents armed with shotguns or pistols, using it is seen as a sign of noobhood to the so-called "Pros". Using the 2 "stealth" perks and a silencer/heartbeat bling weapon will invite a hefty dose of flaming more often than not.
** EVERYONE loathes the Fal, considering it to be the worst weapon in the game. Its also the best weapon in the game if you have a hand that actualy works.
** The Search and Destroy game-type tends to breed this kind of behaviour. It doesn't help that it plays like CounterStrike. Often it's best to just skip onto another game-type, as the matching service will keep dumping you back in there.
* Try to find a ''[[BattlefieldSeries Battlefield 2]]'' server running something other than Strike at Karkand I/O or Wake. Wake in particular is beloved of "pro" players due to the phenomenally unbalanced Chinese jets that can be [[{{Whoring}} whored]] for the entire match. Expect to be teamkilled if you try to get to one first.
** Most ''[[BattlefieldSeries Battlefield 2142]]'' Titan games will have ''something'' stupid going on, be it a commander parking his Titan over an antiaircraft gun so he can get tons of repair points for fixing the guns, parking his Titan over a missile silo so he can skip straight to the "loads of easy Claymore and RDX kills" stage of the match, parking his Titan directly in front of the ''other'' Titan for loads of free kills on enemy transports and gunships taking off, or the fact that everyone else playing is either doing it for tons of free Clay and RDX kills or really, really likes dying. Needless to say, this is how the game is "supposed" to be played, and capturing the silos to win rather than fighting through the ludicrously booby-trapped Titan is the height of noobery. Elsewhere, the StopHavingFunGuys can be found abusing the PK rockets / Voss combo to the hilt and accusing anyone who kills them with the Bauer (or, for that matter, anything else) of haxing, or sniping at you from on top of a ridiculously tall building because pod surfing is pro.
** Any sniper who uses the Zeller-H is likely to be mocked, as is anyone using a Scope Stabiliser.
* Killing a "crawler" (a zombie without legs) in ''NaziZombies'' will cause torments of nerd fury to come upon you. Granted, the frustration is somewhat understandable, as keeping one alive will prevent the next round from starting, allowing the team to rebuild barriers, upgrade weapons, etc. But others frustrations will go too far.
* The aging, but still fairly popular ''RedFaction'' has had this problem from time to time. For a three or four year period, there was an extremely common server-side mod (still around, but the playerbase has shrunk considerably, with the [=SHFGs=] moving on to newer and flashier games) that would disable the Fusion Rocket Launcher (blasts a huge hole in the ground, and kills anyone in a considerable raidus), the Heavy Machine Gun (most powerful automatic weapon), the Super health/armor (gives double the normal max), and the invincibily/damage amp powerups.
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[[folder:Third Person Shooters]]
* Expect to be called a {{noob}} for doing... just about anything outside of using the advanced sword cancel techniques with shotguns in the online game ''{{GunZ}} the Duel''. Even using the most accurate rifle in the game, you'll be doing nothing but spraying wildly... even after you nail an opponent 14 times in the chest. Using a dagger to knock someone down and shooting them while they're on the ground because they didn't jump out of it? You're being a dagger noob.
** And if you jump out of a dagger user's lunge almost every time, you'll [[{{fandumb}} often be called a hacker.]]
** Rifle, Revs, Kodaichi, and E-style (short for European-style and is the "simpler" advanced technique system i.e., anything that doesn't require a glitch in the system to be usable, which is what the sword cancel techniques ARE) is guaranteed to piss off the ones that use the sword cancel techniques (called K-Style, or Korean Style.)
*** On the flip side, there are those who insist E-style is the only true way to play, and that anyone who needs to sword cancel to in has no skill at the game.
* ''{{S4 League}}'' players that use the Cannonade, Counter Sword, or Semi Rifle are often called noobs, since these are more versatile, safer or easier to aim but less damaging versions of the [[ColdSniper Rail Gun]], [[NotCompensatingForAnything Plasma Sword]], or [[MoreDakka Gauss Rifle]]. They're also powerful tools in their own way--the Counter Sword is usually shunned by Scrubs as being overpowered. The Counter Sword and Rail Gun tend to also be considered unacceptable weapons on the Tunnel v1 map, where they are fun but not a good way to score touchdowns.
** And then there are the 'rawr guns r 4 noobs' players, that insult and abuse anyone who uses anything but melee weaponry ( 2 out of some 20 or so weapons ), the 'LAGGER!' haters, who abuse anyone who tries to play with a poor connection because the game attempts (albeit a bit clumsily) to protect any poor sod whose connection can't give them a perfect uplink. For people defying the games basic premise, these guys (perhaps due to their stupidity) can be ''unbelievably'' vicious.
** Swords Only mode was originally created for the aforementioned 'guns r 4 noobs' players. The way the game is designed, though, turns some very ineffective strategies in S4/Chaser mode into [[GameBreaker Game Breakers]] when playing Swords Only (which would be much easier to stop if you just [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim used a gun]]). The SO community, to counter it, created an entire set of rules to prevent that and whoever doesn't respect it is raged at. Apparently, limiting yourself to 3 weapons (out of 17), 3 skills (out of 10) and ''forcing yourself to adapt to a set of unwritten rules'' is the only true way to play the game.
* The online Multiplayer mode for ''SOCOM 3/Combined Assault'' seems to consist almost entirely of suppression matches on a timer played on Devil's Road, Which is made up of two villages on either side of a lake. The result? Constant sniping, to the point where some servers have every other weapon disabled, and where this isn't the case you will be flamed for using other guns.
* ''GearsOfWar'' on Xbox Live: much of community believes that the only weapon that should be used is the Shotgun. If you kill someone with say, the chainsaw or Lancer, it's not uncommon to receive an angry message from that person saying "Take out your shotgun, you noob!".
* In the case of ''MetroidPrime'', the StopHavingFunGuys are actually the company rather than the players. Retro seems to have a deep, abiding and ''entirely pointless'' hatred for {{sequence breaking}}, to the point that each successive version has tried progressively harder to ruin the game for {{speedrun}}ning, apparently simply on the basis that this isn't the correct way to play the game. Most famously, Retro removed the "Space Jump First" glitch (where players who used a "scan jump" glitch when they first land on Tallon IV to get the Space Jump Boots much earlier than intended) from every subsequent edition after the original pressing.
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[[folder:Other Games]]
* Sparda have mercy on your soul if you admit to playing [[MercyMode Easy Automatic]] on any ''DevilMayCry'' title, for the [[HarderThanHard Dante Must Die]]-demolishing "pros" will have none. Although there actually is a bit of sense in this, since part of the fun is linking together Dante, Vergil or Nero's moves as one sees fit, and the automated combo choices Easy Auto forces on the player detracts from that.
* ''DefenseOfTheAncients'', that (in)famous ''{{Warcraft}} III'' map, has a number of players who despise "noob" and "pub" (public game) hero and item choices. Anyone who plays Phantom Assassin, Stealth Assassin or Phantom Lancer at any time will be trashed for the entire game by the SHFG player. Also, anyone who ever buys a Dagon will incur the same level of wrath.
* ''HeroesOfNewerth'', which is a standalone version of ''DefenseOfTheAncients'', is this way. Even on games advertised "noob players only" there is usually someone who will complain about their team not doing things "right".
** Not only that, but there is no tutorial, and no practice games. Essentially, to START PLAYING, you have to already be a SHFG on ''Defense of the Ancients''.
** It does have a tutorial now.
** ''LeagueofLegends'' suprisigly averts this.
* If you're not coming within seconds of a world record in ''InitialD Arcade Stage'' or ''Wangan Midnight Maximum Tune'', fellow players will think you're [[SoBadItsHorrible So Bad You're]] [[{{Scrub}} Horrible]].
* ''ChromeHounds'' presents an interesting case-- the {{Scrub}}s and the StopHavingFunGuys are both in general control of the online community- and advocating similar messages: [[GameBreaker Stick Mechs are king]], and Base-Dropping means you're a n00b, unless you did so in a [[LightningBruiser Wheelie]] (God help you if you play like the game advocates instead).
* The ''MarioKart'' series have been getting this, starting with the DS. Mention the word, snaking, anywhere, and you are bound to stir up a flame war between people who are for it and and people who are against it. If you try to explain how snaking is broken, you are classified as a {{Scrub}} who can't handle better players or just suck at snaking.
* ''Mario Kart Wii'' is no better when it comes to using bikes and certain characters with stat bonuses. If you dare to use anyone other than Daisy and Funky Kong (since they have the best bonus for top speed), any bike other than the Dolphin Dasher, Mach Bike, Flame Runner, or even try to play by just using a kart, pro players will tell you that you will always lose and stand no chance against people using a bike. You're also a {{Scrub}} by default if you even go as far as denouncing bikes for being overpowered. Apparently, no one is allowed to use anything other than the top tiered characters and bikes because it's all about using only the best to win.
** Use the Wii Wheel? You're a casual Scrub who'll always lose. This troper has also seen the opposite, stating if you don't use it, you're a casual Scrub who can't drive worth shit and will always lose.
* Admit to playing ''any'' game with DifficultyLevels on Easy (or even just ask a question about how it compares to the other levels) and [[EasyModeMockery prepare to get swarmed by people insisting that real gamers don't play on any level lower than]] [[strike: Normal]] [[strike: Hard]] [[strike:HarderThanHard]] [[EasyModeMockery the absolute hardest difficulty]].
** This also applies to custom levels or custom games like rom hacks. If they are too hard and people complain about it, the people that love it will denounce the complainers as scrubs and n00bs who can't handle a challenge.
** Conversely, admit to playing on the hardest difficulty level and being good at it and people will tell you you're not having fun.
** Interestingly, Spiderweb Software switched to using IdiosyncraticDifficultyLevels in the later ''{{Geneforge}}'' games as a response to something similar to this. The fanbase itself has relatively little friction between those who play on Normal or Tough in the older games and those who prefer [[HarderThanHard Torment]], but WordOfGod says that there's often an impression that playing on Easy is somehow wrong, and they didn't want people to feel that they were stuck playing on Normal or harder if they had trouble with the games. Makes a certain amount of sense - after all, if they didn't want people using Easy, they wouldn't have included it.
** Interestingly, many games LOCK the harder modes until you've completed the game on either easy or normal. How have they played only on insane mode without unlocking it first?
*** Well obviously those games all suck and you shouldn't be bothering with them at all.
* ''Mount & Blade'' offers players the chance to play either on foot as infantry, or use a horse. In a bidirectional relationship, horse players and infantry players both generally hate each other and view the other side's tactics as noobish. Cavalry players typically hate infantry because they are too slow and don't rack up enough kills, while infantry players typically hate cavalry for being a one trick pony (pun totally intended) and without any real skill.
* The only legal methods of input for ''{{Touhou}}'' are arcade sticks and keyboards. Even if you can't afford a stick, you are not allowed to play using a pad, even if it's a reputable pad like the ones for the Sega Saturn and the SNES.
* [[NostalgiaFilter Games from the SNES era and earlier are the only games you should ever be playing]]. [[ItsPopularNowItSucks Everything else is far too casual]].
* Admit to struggling with ''ThunderForce III'' or ''IV'', and fellow shmup players will brag about how impossibly easy they are and how it only takes 1 or 2 attempts to 1-credit the whole game.
* Not directly related to this trope, but [[http://my.opera.com/TheEve/albums/showpic.dml?album=630163&picture=8614700 this picture]] takes it to a literal level.
* Apparently, you're not really a fan of the ''{{Mario}}'' game series unless you know ''every'' single warp pipe, hidden 1-Up block, secret passage, blah, blah, blah like the back of your hand. Likewise, some fans will tell you that the only way to beat the game is to ''not'' use any warp pipes (or the warp flute in ''[[SuperMarioBros3 SMB3]]''), while others will tell you that ''using'' the warp pipe is the best way.
** Woe betide anyone who says they don't try for [[OneHundredPercentCompletion 100% completion]] in the games. IE: All the levels, all the coins, all the stars, all the bonuses etc.
* If you are having trouble beating a certain part of a video game, do not ask for help anywhere on the internet. The only responses you will ever get are people telling you that you suck and bragging about being able to do that part in their sleep.
* Chris Sawyer, creator of the ''RollerCoasterTycoon'' games, went on the record as saying that the "entire point" of ''Roller Coaster Tycoon'' was the scenarios, only the scenarios, and that the casual sandbox-players (that is, those who just wanted to build a simulated theme partk and who didn't care about the scenarios) were "doing it wrong, and needed to get serious and do it right", especially when they used a fan-produced "key" program to open the game up for sandbox play. He disliked sandbox play so much that when he wrote ''Roller Coaster Tycoon 2'', he included code that would wreck the game if the player attempted to use any sort of "sandbox key". Sales on ''Roller Coaster Tycoon 2'' plummeted appropriately. ''Roller Coaster Tycoon 3'' was not only produced without input by Chris Sawyer, it included an open sandbox option.
* [[TabletopGames Table-Top]] WarGaming, aka playing with toy soldiers, has its own two versions of Stop Having Fun Guys. Type one think that you can't be a proper member of the hobby if you haven't allowed for the fact that at the battle of Bunker Hill Nathaniel Smith was riding a borrowed horse, while Type two only ever plays an ad-hoc elite SS unit containing every Jagdtiger tank the Germans ever built.
* ''[[DeadRising Dead Rising 2]]''. You didn't get Ending S on your first playthrough? You suck at all video games. You restarted the story? You're a LevelGrinding faggot. Strangely, the first game never had this problem. Most people would even ''recommend'' grinding to max level and getting Zombie Genocider before doing anything else.
* ''{{Minecraft}}'' is young yet, but it's already got [=SHFGs=] lurking around the forums. Since the game is still in alpha, they dedicate their time not to deriding people for playing wrong, but to demanding Notch make alterations to the game to force people to play it "right". This includes everything from removing any feature whose only practical purpose is the creativity factor, to altering the way certain tools work ''for aesthetic reasons''.

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[[folder:Sports]]
* Sports in general are not only treated as Very SeriousBusiness but also are a breeding ground for these. Too many examples to count, we'll just leave it at that, but we'll also say that it is usually justified in the professional level, since 'having fun' typically takes a back seat to the millions of dollars that are at stake at that level.
** Really, the "professional level" may in and of itself be an example...
* Children's Soccer. Have you ever seen Soccer Moms in action? It's ''just'' a game, the kids are supposed to be having fun.
** Have you ever seen Hockey Dads? Some of them ''have beaten each other to death.''
** In the Netherlands we have Soccer Dads acting exactly the same.
** ''TheFastShow'''s "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2x_DI7tzNQ Competitive Dad]]" was based on this kind of character.
* Hunting and Fishing have often been known to attract these types. But of course there are quite a bit of people who're willing to give you some slack. Not everyone is really going to be performing at their peak when it's five in the morning, or lucky enough to catch a really big one. But there are people who can be yelling at you for catching ''too much'' fish or getting a kill bigger than they got. Oh you got a bigger trophy than I did? Beginner's luck...I got a bigger one? What finesse! What skill!
** Of particular note for mass hilarity is ice fishing, though some tournaments do state upfront they ban all but certain specific ways of fishing. Go ahead and use a spear or large handheld net normally though. Just do it. Lets ignore the fact the Inuit have done it this way for centuries, civilized people only use rod & tackle, same as in normal fishing... and God help you if you're sitting on anything other than your bait box. A lawn chair? You scummy suburbanite trendwhore! How dare you also dress comfortably!
* British amateur ski-jump enthusiast Eddie "The Eagle" Edwards was able to compete in the 1988 Winter Olympic Games in Calgary due to a rule allowing a nation to send an athlete in any sport for which there was a competititon, regardless of previous achievements by that athlete. Edwards, a middle-aged, myopic man who looks more like an ice cream vendor than an athlete, was to be honest a really, really bad ski-jumper. But his enthusiasm for the sport, as well as his "never give up" attitude and his statements that he was here for the "fun of competing in the Olympics", endeared him to the general public. Unfortunately, many of the "big name" jumpers felt that Edwards was "making a mockery" of the sport by being so bad at it and yet daring to compete in the Olympics with anything but a "win or die" attitude. Shortly after the Olympics finished, the entry requirements were greatly toughened, making it next to impossible for any other self-funded, self-trained amateur athletes to gain entry into the Olympics.
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[[folder:Strategy]]
* In any strategy videogame, if you believe the forums, there are exactly two kinds of players. According to the ''other'' kind, these are turtlers, who suck at the game and need to come out and fight and use proper tactics, and rushers, who need to lay off the caffiene and actually try to have some fun. Both are the offspring of the terrible union of {{Satan}}, {{Hitler}} and [[HeMan Skeletor]].
** That's a consensus shared by the SHFG's and the {{scrubs}}. The SHFG's take it several steps further by arguing that certain setting are "noob settings" and that if you beat them on said setting, it's because you gained a noob advantage.
* Go to any ''{{Warhammer 40000}}'' fan forum, and ask about army lists. Note that many of the aggressive posts are the guys who are building their armies to play Tournament matches against Space Marine armies (loaded with six-man Las/Plas squads and as many Assault Cannons, a huge {{Gamebreaker}} in previous editions, as possible) on tables with no terrain.
** If you post a list containing the most powerful units you can choose (such as the aforementioned las/plas squads), you will provoke an equally acerbic response. Such armies are criticised for not fitting in with the critic's idea of the background material (which will differ from critic to critic) - and, especially, for being {{Gamebreaker}}s and not the 'right way to play'.
* ''WarHammer'' and ''WarHammer40000'' are prime wargame examples. Use certain units or make a themed army, even if they're fluffy and fun, and the hardcore grognards will generally lecture on efficiency and effectiveness then probably advise the same cookie-cutter army that other people use to win. Make a wacky paint scheme and get decried by traditionalists. Make an army with a background that doesn't strictly follow established canon (like a loyal SpaceMarine army that is descended from one of the Traitor Legions) and prepare to be lambasted by canon-is-God players. Unless you say you're going back 10,000 years. With the HorusHeresy such a squiggly knot in history with Chaos playing some kind of supremely-advanced Risk, practically anything will go.
** On that last note, tone and background are important factors. Gag armies are typically well-received by good-humoured players ([[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/manip_IMGP0187.JPG Joycrons]] being a prominent example), and even in-character for some races (Orks being [[CrazyAwesome Orks]] are known to do all kinds of crazy stuff). That said, however, many gags or attempted combinations (Chaos Tau or [[{{BerserkButton}} Female Space Marines]], for instance) are {{Berserk Button}}s in certain parts of the fandom, and will throw even otherwise normal gamers into SHFG-worthy rages. Ultimately, it comes down to presentation, sensibility, and the type of people you play with.
* HeroesOfMightAndMagic. If you didn't use the Armageddon + magic immune Black Dragons combo you're just completely devoid of common sense.
** Worse yet: In ''HeroesOfMightAndMagic V'' there are people who actually come with arguments of how the Dungeon faction, specialist in destruction magic, is now completely ruined and obviously inferior to any other faction using destruction magic because other Heroes don't have a natural skill that pierces magic resistance, and thus, the Black Dragon's magic immunity, regardless of the fact that Warlocks, the Dungeon heroes, does from 50% to 200% more damage with destruction and receives way more Spell Power than any other faction hero save necromancers, and these are better off debuffing enemy armies and raising back theirs than wasting their mana in damaging spells. Trying using a destruction spell that isn't Armageddon didn't cross anyone's mind apparently.
*** Not to mention that this Necromancer strategy is the only valid strategy for necromancers. God forbid you don't use Raise Dead, and not getting this spell in the Magic Guild is obviously no excuse.
* In ''SupremeCommander'', if you don't use your Commander as a heavy tank destroying heavy platform in the early game, you're obviously trying to lose. Also building anything else than light tanks and engineers in the early game. Or using any other strategy than the siege bot spamming in the late game.
** Unfortunately (Or fortunately, depending on your tastes) [[StrawmanHasAPoint due to the way the original ''SupremeCommander'' was designed, if you didn't follow the above advice and someone else did, you were almost guaranteed to lose on most maps]]. It wasn't just good strategy: it was pretty much a required set of tactics and it came down to who could do the above tactics better... Fortunately, the expansion, Forged Alliance, added some new units and shook things up a bit, variety-wise, but the tactics still remain ingrained deeply in the community.
* Let's not even begin with ''CommandAndConquer'' itself. Didn't maximize the ore income in the beginning of the game with 3+ refineries? You lose. Didn't immediately begin to spam your basic tank? You lose. You actually bothered with human soldiers? You're so noob it hurts the pro's mother.
* ''{{Starcraft}}'' is a unique RTS in the sense that it requires the same twitch reflexes usually associated with {{FPS}}ers and {{Fighting Game}}rs. Your commands per second is less than 3? What are you doing wasting the professional's time and ruining their fun? You're not even worth thinking about. Didn't know that to defeat a 6 zergling zerg you only need a Zealot and a shield recharger... plus inhumanly reflexes capable of attacking the zerglings, landing exactly 2 hits and retreating before they can gank your zealot, ganking the zerglings with your probes as the zealot retreat, while recharging the zealot's shield? Even south koreans babies are born knowing that. You don't deserve to exist if you didn't know that.
** Thankfully though, ''{{Starcraft}}'' generally manges to avert the trope since the best players play professionally and don't have time to be on the same server as the average players. The best average players can't invoke this trope since they are far and away worse than the pros.
*** The best average players (and not only) ''shouldn't'' invoke this trope, since they are far and away worse than the pros. Of course, it still happens. Continuously.
*** They also avert it in that top players are always coming up with very inventive tactics to win matches, to the point that there really has never been one "best unit"
* Five rules for being a welcome member in the ''AdvanceWars'' communities: never mention Snipers, never play in FogOfWar, never play with navy, never say you can beat a competent player's [[ZergRush infantry spam]] without [=CO=] abuse, and if you don't want to be marked as a {{Scrub}}, never ever (in ''Days of Ruin'') choose No [=CO=] just because you only have to pay a minor price for the ridiculous boosts you get for [=COing=] a unit and surrounding units, or even complain about said ridiculous boosts. In short, ''do not complain about the blatant FakeBalance''.
** Though mentioning Snipers isn't a rule in game, it's just for the sake of your, and the forum's, sanity.
* If you play ''{{Worms}}'' and you don't use rope every turn, use certain weapon combinations or get to the crates in time, God have mercy on your soul. Playing an online version with a mic (such as the Xbox Live Arcade versions) gets even worse, as you'll get several [=SHFGs=] yelling at you for every minor step you take, [[WallBanger even if you're winning the match.]]
* {{Spore}}, while rather simple, tends to attract this with it's expansion ''Galactic Adventures''. Granted, making an adventure is actually pretty easy thanks to the editor, and yes people should put in more effort to make something that isn't a Clark & Stanley knock off, however, not everyone likes to make a serious and grim quest or attack-based mission/adventure. In fact, most complaints in the forum that don't regard Maxis/EA are about the fact that there aren't a lot of "serious adventures" (when you have already factored in SturgeonsLaw, of course), even though just about everyone (and possibly every type of gamer) plays this game...
** And let's not even discuss the [[InternetBackdraft creations, the way you should play the game, how the game is, or anything of that matter, shall we?]]
* If you play ''any'' game in the ''FireEmblem'' series, you'd better not go on any fan forums and mention using any character that isn't [[CharacterTiers high tier]], and you better not say you didn't use a top tier character. If you do, expect to get flamed about why "X is terrible, Y is so much better" and "You're such a noob for not using Z".
* If you don't play ''{{Civilization}}'' at the highest difficulty setting using a build order that has been mathematically proven to be the absolute best then you're a brain-dead sub-human. If you play at any difficulty level below Prince then, sorry but you're too stupid to play ''Civ'' and should buy a game more to your level like ''Barney Teaches Numbers'' or something.
** Other ways [[StopHavingFunGuys to have other people call you a noob]] in Civilization online: Custom name your cities, chat in the chat box, set the turn timer for ANYTHING under blazing speed, and trying for any victory that doesn't involve military force.
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* PlayedForLaughs in [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhmUj9QJ9RM this video]]. "THIS IS A SERIOUS GAME." Cue TheScrub being named [[StarWars Boba Fett]], steal the last kill, butt-fuck one of the characters which sets off a chain reaction, resulting in that character killing the other Stop Having Fun Guy's character.
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[[folder:Card Games]]
* ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh}}''. If any game can be considered personification of this trope, this would be it. It seems like the majority of duelists who play the game are like this, netdecking like crazy, dismissing cards that aren't TooAwesomeToUse as utter crap, and completely willing to ''rape'' the 10% of players who only play the game for fun. Flame wars have been started over duelists asking how to make a good Elemental Hero deck (considered SoBadItsHorrible among the elite), with both sides being chewed out as talentless, brainless hacks. Also the Seven Staples (A group of Broken cards) once made even the most fearsome high attack monsters like the Blue-Eyes White Dragon useless as they would be decimated the moment they are summoned by a simple pit.
** The seriousness of the fanbase is [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] in ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh GX}}'', where the main character, Judai, will regularly remind opponents that dueling is supposed to be fun. These people will always act [[SeriousBusiness shocked and amazed]], believing Judai to be foolish and childish. Judai is the source of the Elemental Hero deck to begin with, having debuted it in GX. Later, as part of his {{Deconstruction}}, Judai develops this mentality himself, and part of Season 4 is an attempt by his friends help him regain his old passion for the game.
** Interestingly, the character of Seto Kaiba from the original '''Yu-Gi-Oh''' story (who is himself an example of this trope) was inspired by one of these. [[WordOfGod according to the author]] he had once asked a friend to teach him how to play a TCG, but his friend said "Come back when you've collected 10,000 cards."
* ''MagicTheGathering'' designers call the players with the "only winning matters" mentality Spikes, in contrast to Timmies (who treat the game as a social outlet and like exciting play with big, impressive effects) and Johnnies (who treat the game as an intellectual exercise and creative medium and like unusual effects that complement each other). The design team generally tries to make sure there's something for each of these three player profiles in every expansion. Note that not all Spikes fall into this trope; see PlayerArchetypes for details.
** There is, though, a common belief among tourney players that if any card that costs four or more mana doesn't win the game for you on the spot, it should never even be put in your deck, which the more experienced tourney jocks know ain't so and casual players find laughable. The specific quote comes from Zvi Mowshowitz, long time professional magic player; but even he finds the idea laughable nowadays as seen in this [[http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/deck/10 article]].
** Particularly irritating are those who fill their decks with foreign-language cards for "variation" and almost roll their eyes out of their skulls if you have to actually ask what a particular card actually ''does''.
** There is a definite subtype of Spike, though, that loves to fill their deck with only "good" rares, barring basic lands. You're winning? Spike's attitude becomes a bit abusive and Spike acts like your deck is cheap, no matter what it's composed of. Spike is winning? Spike then becomes condescending about how "It's a shame you can't afford all the great cards like Spike can."
** To make matters even worse, there's a subset of tournament players who play in "Friday Night Magic" (the most casual of the game's nationally sanctioned tournament formats) just to boost their player rating. Why is rating important? Because a high rating can qualify you for high-level tournaments that aren't necessarily open to all players, among other things. So these players will farm rating off of any newbie or cash-poor regular who shows up at the tournament looking for a fun chance to play some ''Magic''. As if that weren't bad enough, a common response to beating the stuffing out of the "lesser" player is along the lines of "Well, you didn't lose that much rating anyway, since yours is so much lower than mine." Ignoring the fact that if you cared about your rating at all, the match might have lasted longer than seven minutes, including time to shuffle.
** Dan Shive, of ''ElGoonishShive'', reports the following dialogue following a game of ''Magic'' (he was the one using the card):
--->"That's a terrible, stupid card that sucks and should never go in any deck." "I just beat you with it." "It's still horrible."
* Try playing most card games for fun. Some like Texas Hold 'em and Poker get this treatment moreso than others. People also insult you for not playing the game correctly. Which is ironic, considering that, for the most part, the people being insulted are effectively ''handing out free money'' to the people who hate them; insulting opposing poker players for perceived mistakes can be a huge part of the MetaGame.
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[[folder: Anime]]
* [[{{Trigun}} Vash and Knives are brothers.]] And they are [[{{Immortality}} immortal]] too.
* ''{{Bleach}}'': Aizen is the BigBad.
* ''SailorMoon'' (first season): Usagi [[ChangelingFantasy is the moon princess]] everyone's been looking for. This, along with other plot points, is [[{{Macekre}} ruined in the English dub, as well as a few other dubs]] by being revealed to the viewers in the first episode in a scene that didn't appear until ''much'' later originally.
** Also, Tuxedo Mask is Mamoru in disguise.
** Additionally, Chibi-Usa from the second season is their daughter from the future, which isn't outright said until around 3/4's of the way through R.
** Plus, all the Senshi's true identities are not typically spoiler marked, which are all spoilers (with the possible exception of Pluto), but it is most egregious in the case of Hotaru/Sailor Saturn, which is a fairly monumental [[TheReveal reveal]]. The fact that alot of promotional material shows them in Senshi form, and they then look identical, kind of ruins it even for the average joe.
*** Sailor Pluto doesn't get the same treatment in this regard due to the fact that she's shown as a Senshi First, then appears as a civilian in the next arc. We're already familiar with her appearance by this time it's obvious who she is.
* ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh}}'': The card game Duel Monsters is based on ancient Egyptian "shadow games". This isn't revealed until the beginning of Battle City in the original version, but the American adaptation gives you this fact in the second episode. (It's [[DubInducedPlotHole mysteriously still treated as a surprise]] when it happens then.)
** Actually the intros to the earlier episodes in Japanese did somewhat spoiled it already, or did it just mention sorcerers in ancient times?
*** It mentions (paraphrased) 'A game popular in Egypt that could predict the future known as the Game of Darkness.'
* ''SpeedRacer'': Unknown to Speed, Racer X is Speed's older brother Rex who ran away from home. The constant mentioning of the fact that Racer X is Speed's older brother Rex by the narrator wouldn't be so bad, if he didn't seem to treat the fact that Racer X is actually Rex, the older brother of Speed as such a frickin' revelation ''every single time''. The fact that "Racer X" (in fact the older brother of Speed, Rex) is also pronounced identically to "Racer Rex" just makes the revelation that Racer X is in fact a disguise worn by Speed's older brother Rex even worse. The 2008 LiveActionAdaptation movie handles this- the surprise twist that Racer X, unknown to Speed, is in fact his missing older brother Rex Racer- in a much better manner, but saying more would be a {{Spoiler}}.
** ''DextersLaboratory'' spoiled this in making [=DeeDee=] "Racer D" in their homage, and is a lot more blatant about it.
* ''{{Naruto}}'': Sasuke pulls a FaceHeelTurn.
* ''NeonGenesisEvangelion'' is a weird example. Everyone remembers what everything ''looked'' like, but no one could [[MindScrew understand what was happening]]. Most people after seeing it for the first time would conclude that [[KillEmAll everyone dies]].
** Mostly everyone knows that the last two episodes are some sort of therapy/recap that's supposed to mean something. Just... ''something''.
** [[HumansAreCthulhu Humanity is the eighteenth Angel.]]
** Instrumentality means everyone gets hugged and turns into Tang. It even got a trope named after it before it was renamed to AssimilationPlot for being a huge spoiler.
* [[JoJosBizarreAdventure Dio Brando]] [[TimeStandsStill stops time.]]
** [[MemeticMutation ZA WARUDO]]
* ''{{Bokurano}}'': Piloting the giant robot costs the pilot their life. Many that get into the series don't even know this was ever a spoiler.
* ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha.'' Fate, Hayate and the Wolkenwritter all do a HeelFaceTurn and join the core cast.
* ''{{Slayers}}'': Xellos is a Monster / Mazoku.
* ''OuranHighSchoolHostClub'': Haruhi is a [[DroppedABridgetOnHim girl]]. Funimation spoiled this in their descripion for the first episode.
* ''{{Monster}}'': The little boy that Tenma saves in the first few episodes, Johan, is the titular monster.
* ''{{Negima}}'': Setsuna is a half-demon, and on the same side as the good guys[[hottip:* :yes, it was a twist when it first happened]].
** Fate was not just some mook. Looking around this site you'd think it was obvious early on.
* [[CodeGeass Lelouch dies]] [[SuicideByCop by Suzaku's hand]] - [[ThanatosGambit and that's exactly]] [[SilentScapegoat how he wanted it.]]
* ''{{Gekiganger 3}}'', ''MartianSuccessorNadesico'''s ShowWithinAShow has one, both in the ''Nadesico'' universe and in RealLife: Joe dies. Considering this came up in Ep. 3 of ''Nadesico''...
* [[DragonBall Piccolo and Vegeta]] each undergo a HeelFaceTurn.
** Goku and Piccolo are aliens.
** Goku is the Super Saiyan. And so is every other living Saiyan in the series.
* ''{{Pokemon}}'': Ash dies in the first movie then gets resurrected. Paul has a brother. Misty leaves to be a gym leader.
** ''PokemonSpecial'': Yellow is a [[SweetPollyOliver girl]]. Silver and Blue are related to Team Rocket. Silver's father is Giovanni.
** ''PokemonDiamondAndPearlAdventure'': Mitsumi was apart of Team Galactic.
* ''SchoolDays'': Makoto cheats and dies. Also, a [[MemeticMutation Nice Boat]] appears.
* ''HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi'' Mion has a twin, people die but they [[IGotBetter get better]], Rika's the actual protagonist, Satoshi's alive, and Takano's the BigBad.
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[[folder: Comic Books]]
* ''Comicbook/{{Spider-Man}}'': Gwen Stacy is killed during a battle between Spider-Man and the Green Goblin. It was, in fact, hyped with TonightSomeoneDies, but in the days when fans [[SarcasticConfession would be likely to assume a trick]].
* ''TeenTitans'': in the mid-80's ''Teen Titans'', the perky blond superheroine Terra is TheMole, and is plotting for her entire stay in the comic to lead the Titans into a trap and get them killed, all for her boyfriend... Slade. {{Squick}}. Since this was pre-FrankMiller and DarkerAndEdgier, this had an even bigger HSQ than the above Gwen Stacy event.
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[[folder: Film]]
* Filmsite.org has [[http://www.filmsite.org/greattwists.html an extensive list]] of film spoilers, [[TheReveal reveals]], and surprise endings.
* ''CitizenKane'': Rosebud was his sled. Although he provided the trope name in the formerly above quote, [[FamilyGuy Peter Griffin]] was not the first to spoil it -- that ship sailed for good when Charles Schulz, with uncharacteristic thoughtlessness, gave it away in a 70s ''{{Peanuts}}'' [[http://comics.com/peanuts/1973-12-09/ strip]].
** Better yet, Schulz spoiled it A SECOND TIME in the 1990's, with a virtual rerun of his original 70's spoiler (the sequel featured the character "Rerun", ironically).
** It was spoiled by ''[[McDuck Don Rosa]]'' in the final chapter of ''The Life & Times of Scrooge McDuck'' (or rather, the author's introduction to it), although were too young to get the reference and didn't realize it [[LateToThePunchline until later]].
** Many of us who grew up in the 1980s had this ruined for us by an episode of ''TheRealGhostbusters'' cartoon, where the ghost was that of Charles Foster Kane and he was convinced to stop haunting at the end when he was ''given the sled back''! Seriously.
** And those who spent the early nineties watching afternoon television got it spoilt by an episode of ''{{Columbo}}''. 'Rosebud' is the control word for the dogs used to commit the murder.
*** ''TinyToonAdventures'' spoiled it [[WholePlotReference pretty good too]] back then.
** Olsen & Johnson spoiled this ''the same year Citizen Kane came out in 1941'' in ''Hellzapoppin,'' when Chic Johnson bumps into the sled and says "Thought they burned that..." (seen at 8:33 [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8okW69O4mY here]])
** Julie Brown ended her song "The Homecoming Queen's Got a Gun" with her friend Debi gunned down during her shooting spree - as she lays dying she croaks "I did it...for Johnny!". Julie is puzzled; she doesn't know any Johnnys, and exclaims "Omigod, this is just like that movie Citizen Kane where you later find out Rosebud was a sled? But we'll never know who Johnny is, 'cause, like...she's dead!"
** ''MoreInformationThanYouRequire'' did ''not'' spoil it. Because the book consists entirely of [[LittleKnownFacts lies]], we are told that "Rosebud" was William Randolph Heart's nickname for TheodoreRoosevelt.
** Also spoiled in an ''{{Animaniacs}}'' [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQzKZE85JzQ intro]].
** Craig Ferguson references this during one of his email/twitter sessions on ''TheLateLateShow''.
** Spoiled by ''FamilyGuy'' (although unless you knew it was ''CitizenKane'' then you were left wondering what the actual joke is.
** Unless...you are one of the folks who believe the urban legend that "Rosebud" is just William Randolph Hearst's nickname for Marion Davies'...ahem.
** Also spoiled in ''TheSopranos''. The female characters are shown watching it, and the ending is very clearly shown. Adriana remarks, "So ItWasHisSled, huh?"
* ''[[StarWars The Empire Strikes Back]]'': [[LukeIAmYourFather Luke is the son of Darth Vader]]. Although really, "vader" is Dutch for "father", so it shouldn't have come as that much of a shock.
** WordOfGod has it that George Lucas came up with the name by mashing random syllables together until [[RuleOfCool he found something that sounded cool]], and the Dutch thing is a coincidence.
** The third season ''TheSimpsons'' episode "I Married Marge" has a flashback where the young Homer spoils this for a long line of moviegoers by coming out of the cinema and exclaiming loudly "I can't ''believe'' that Darth Vader turns out to be Luke's father!" Cue groans, and the line grumpily dispersing.
--->'''Guy in line:''' ''Thanks, Mr. Blow-The-Picture-For-Me!''
** Humorously spoiled in the ''FamilyGuy'' "A New Hope" parody (a whole movie early) when Luke's aunt tells him to "remind your uncle Owen not to tell you that Darth Vader is your father."
** ''ReturnOfTheJedi'':
*** Leia is Luke's sister. And Mark Hamil hints at this before the movie opens. Lampshaded in a Luke\Leia toy release. Now completely spoiled and no longer a point of suspense, as episodes 1-3 lay this out clearly.
** For the prequel trilogy, the fact that Darth Sidious is Senator Palpatine is the Emperor.
*** Though it may not be ruined, since it is thought among many fans that the films should be watched in production order, thus retaining the suspense.
*** So long as people ignore the fact that Sidious and ''RotJ'' Palpatine have identical height, voice, and dress sense, and that both are Dark Lords of the Sith (well, Emperor Palp is at least strong in the DarkSide).
** The background music gives it away, playing the Emperor's leitmotif during all of Sidious and Palpatine's scenes. Even if you don't yet know what he'll become, it's pretty clearly the same guy.
** They do make some attempt to hide it by not including Darth Sidious in the credits.
*** Although this is in no way a surprise to anyone that's read...pretty much any EU novel..cause almost every reference to the Emperor by name as Palpatine.
* ''TheCryingGame'': Dil [[DroppedABridgetOnHim isn't the usual sort of woman]].
** See AllThereIsToKnowAboutTheCryingGame.
** This one was also on an episode of the ''TheSimpsons'', where Mayor Quimby announced it to the people in a speech.
* [[FridayThe13th Friday the 13th]]: His mom killed them.
* ''MButterfly''. Song [[DroppedABridgetOnHim isn't either]]. The clue is in the title: where the opera was called ''MadameButterfly'', the play (and DavidCronenberg film based thereon) use a far more ambiguous abbreviated honorific.
* ''{{Psycho}}'': Norman Bates's murderous mother is actually Norman's other personality. The murder itself, [[SacrificialLion killing off the hitherto most important character halfway through the movie]], was originally meant to be a surprise, too.
* ''{{Film/Soylent Green}}'' is people!
** Although in the book it's ''soy''beans and ''lent''ils. (Soylent Red adds coloring to make it look more like meat.)
** Sadly enough, the big twist can be ruined [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giss0vmT1JU&feature=player_embedded by the goddamn trailer]] if you happened [[TrailersAlwaysSpoil to put two and two together.]] (At 2:20 or so into the trailer, you can see Charlton Heston sneaking into a factory where there are inconspicuous white body bags on a conveyor belt. [[SarcasmMode Wonder what those could be?]])
* The ''PlanetOfTheApes'' is [[PlanetOfTheApesEnding really a post-apocalyptic Earth]].
** The final reveal of this one is frequently blown in the advertisement or DVD cover...
** It was well-known enough for MelBrooks to parody the ending in ''{{Spaceballs}}''.
** And for ''TheSimpsons'' to parody the ending as a musical {{Show within a show}} starring Troy [=McClure=] as Colonel Taylor, complete with a Statue of Liberty prop rising in the background as he sang, "Oh my god! I was wrong./It was Earth all along."
** Of course, the very existence of EarthAllAlong spoils this.
* In ''OldYeller'', the kid has to ShootTheDog after it gets infected with rabies. Literally.
* ''TheThirdMan'': Orson Welles' character isn't dead.
* ''TheSixthSense'': Bruce Willis, however, was dead the whole time.
** Also, "I see dead people" was supposed to be a twist, explaining what the heck was going on for the first half of the movie, but [[TrailersAlwaysSpoil it was featured in the trailers.]]
** Spoofed in ''MockTheWeek'': "We interrupt this showing of ''TheSixthSense'' to bring you some breaking news: Bruce Willis is a ghost!"
* ''TheWizardOfOz'' is, in both the film and the book, just an American con man. Also, in the movie (and [[AdaptationDecay only the movie]]), it was AllJustADream, "a wonderful dream."
* ''{{Casablanca}}'': Rick lets Ilsa go to be with her husband, who needs her to inspire his fight against the Nazis, and then he and Louis go to Brazzaville, fight more Nazis, and have a [[HeterosexualLifePartners beautiful friendship]].
** This might have been less of a twist to contemporary audiences, as there would be no way to get a wife abandoning her husband past the censors of the time without killing off Victor.
** It was a twist to the both cast and crew as well, since the writing team couldn't decide which man Ilsa would end up with until more than halfway through filming.
* The ''DisneyAnimatedCanon'' has plenty, in part because it frequently draws from older sources. A few of the more famous include:
** ''Disney/SnowWhite'': That apple [[DisneyDeath didn't really kill Snow White]]. All she needed was [[TrueLovesKiss True Love's First Kiss]] to wake up.
** ''Disney/{{Pinocchio}}'': Picocchio [[BecomeARealBoy becomes a real boy in the end]].
** ''{{Dumbo}}'': Dumbo can use his big ears to fly.
** ''{{Bambi}}'': Bambi's mother dies.
** ''Disney/SleepingBeauty'': Princess Aurora is awakened by the Prince's kiss.
** ''TheLionKing'': Mufasa dies. Unlike in [[{{Hamlet}} the source material]], however, (but quite like the source material's source material), the hero becomes king and lives HappilyEverAfter.
* ''KingKong'': He climbs to the top of the Empire State Building and gets machine-gunned by aeroplanes until he falls down. But it wasn't the airplanes. It was Beauty killed the Beast.
** Token PennyArcade, [[http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/12/5/ played straight]].
* [[http://snake.phys.lsu.edu/~gclayton/film-endings.html This comprehensive list]] of {{Twist Ending}}s from ''The New York Times''.
* ''{{Titanic}}'': Besides [[ForegoneConclusion the obvious]], it's become well known that Rose had the jewel the whole time (to the point that the final scene was parodied in an insurance ad).
** Also mentioned in the music video for "Ooops, I Did It Again," by Britney Spears.
* Even first-time viewers of ''Film/{{Alien}}'' these days are not surprised by the chestbursting scene.
* ''{{Terminator}} 2'': [[HeelFaceTurn Arnold's the good guy in this one]]. Most people don't even ''know'' that was supposed to be a surprise, as [[TrailersAlwaysSpoil the marketing totally ruined it]].
* In ''FightClub'' Tyler Durden is the Narrator's split personality. Thank you, Rosie O'Donnell.
** The good news, if you've see this spoiler and have not yet seen FightClub, is that the movie continues to be ''plenty'' interesting after this is revealed.
* ''TheUsualSuspects'': Verbal Kint is really Keyser Soze.
* ''TheFly''. In the original version the fact that the teleporter combined the MadScientist with a fly is supposed to be a huge surprise. Even though it's in the title.
* ''TheWickerMan''. They burn the policeman. In a big wicker man.
* ''StarTrek [[StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan II: The Wrath of Khan]]''. Spock dies (until [[BackFromTheDead the sequel]]).
** The makers try to mess with us here: The news that Spock's death was planned leaked fairly early on in development, so the first scene (the famous ''KobayashiMaru'' scene) was edited so that most of the characters (including Spock) 'died'. After the sim ends, Kirk even asks Spock: ''"Aren't you dead?"'' This was to preserve the twist; first-time moviegoers would assume the spoilers referred to this scene, and would then be surprised when Spock died For Real This Time. Today no one notices ''any'' of this.
** In the 2009 {{Film/StarTrek}} movie, people began discussing Spock Prime's appearance almost as soon as the film opened. In fact, [[YouShouldKnowThisAlready Nimoy and Quinto appeared on late-night talk shows together]]. Good job, Paramount marketing!
*** Nimoy was on the cast list on IMDB long before the movie came out.
** People also heard right away about [[EarthShatteringKaboom Vulcan getting destroyed by the villain]], and even the detail about [[AnyoneCanDie Amanda's death]].
* An odd one here is ''{{Scanners}}''. The fact that [[YourHeadASplode one dude's head explodes]] has become an [[MemeticMutation cultural meme]], but a lot of people don't know that it's from this film. Once the scene starts, however, everyone recognizes the guy (he looks a little like Dr. Phil), says "Oh, it's from ''this'' movie!", and knows how the scene will end.
** In addition, ''WaynesWorld'' spoiled this scene when Garth is left to carry the show.
-->'''Camera Guy''': "Remember that scene in ''Scanners'' when that dude's head blew up?"
-->''Cut to Garth shaking''
* ''{{Videodrome}}'' gives you brain tumours. [[MindScrew May]][[UnreliableNarrator be]].
* ''TheCabinetOfDrCaligari'': Francis is insane and the whole thing is his [[TalkativeLoon babbling]]. The real cabinet is in his head, and vice versa.
** His head's in the cabinet?
* ''{{Nosferatu}}'': Orlok is killed by [[ItBurns sunlight]].
* Although ''DrStrangelove'' regains the ability to walk, the mission to prevent TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt is a failure, and the film ends with footage of nuclear explosions while "We'll Meet Again" [[SoundtrackDissonance plays]].
** Additionally, he stops worrying and learns to love the bomb.
* ''{{Network}}'' has Howard Beale murdered live on TV.
* ''WhenAStrangerCalls'': The calls are coming from inside the house.
* Sidney Poitier gets a coffee mug with ''To Sir, With Love'' written on it from one of his students.
* [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment And while we're on the]] [[ParentalIncest subject]], [[{{Chinatown}} Noah Cross had a daughter with his daughter]]. And TheBadGuyWins.
* ''TheStepfordWives'' are actually highly sophisticated [[RoboticReveal animatronics.]]
* Princess Fiona in ''{{Shrek}}'' has a curse that turns her into an ogre at night. In the end, she marries Shrek and becomes an ogre full-time. Less of a memetic spoiler than most, but it's pretty obvious now that the sequels are out.
** Actually, it's implied that she actually ''is'' an ogre, and had a spell cast on her to make her beautiful during the day. Shrek's kiss broke that spell.
* ''GoneWithTheWind'': As mentioned in the Literature section, everybody should know by now that Rhett leaves Scarlett in the end, thanks to the immortal line "Frankly m'dear, I don't give a damn".
* {{Satan}} is the father of ''[[RosemarysBaby Rosemary's Baby]]''.
* In ''Paranoiac'', Oliver Reed's character knows that that newcomer isn't really his long-lost brother because he's actually killed the brother and hidden the body in the garage.
* TheMatrix is a giant computer simulation that we're all stuck in because because the humans lost the war with the machines; it turns out Neo is the one, comes back from the dead and then destroys Agent Smith.
* TheVillage is a modern day nature preserve. And the Monsters are really the Town Elders.
* ''ABeautifulMind'': John Nash has schizophrenia.
* [[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1101026/ Admiral]] became a TropeNamer for this in Russia after some blogger posted a review saying: "The ending is a bit predictable. Somewhere around the middle I got a feeling that in the end [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Kolchak Kolchak]] will be shot. [[CaptainObvious And so he was.]]" Since most people in Russia know Kolchak's fate [[DidNotDoTheResearch since school]], that review became a meme.
* ''NorthByNorthwest'': Eve is a ReverseMole working for the United States. The movie ends with a fight on the top of Mount Rushmore.
* ''TheGraduate'': Ben breaks up Elaine's wedding and they ride away on a bus. They look completely uncomfortable with each other in the final shot.
* ''OneFlewOverTheCuckoosNest'': Most of the inmates in the hospital are there voluntarily, and are not committed. Jack Nicholson's character is lobotomized and then mercy-killed at the end.
* ''TheWizardOfOz'': The WickedWitch dies. It was AllJustADream
* Are you watching a SherlockHolmes film? Then there is a 99% chance that the villain will turn out to be James Moriarty, even if that's not what he's calling himself at the moment.
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[[folder: Literature]]
* ''TheStrangeCaseOfDoctorJekyllAndMrHyde'': [[JekyllAndHyde The two title characters are the same man]]. This was a TwistEnding in the original novel, but it's so well known today, all of the adaptations make it part of the plot from the beginning. Because of this, some people are unaware that it ever ''was'' a twist.
* ''TheScarletPimpernel'' is Sir Percy Blakeney. Once again, in the original book, the reader doesn't discover this fact until Percy's wife does, but this has become another case where the twist is so well-known that most TV and film adaptations reveal it at the very beginning.
* ''HarryPotter and the Half-Blood Prince'': "Snape kills Dumbledore" quickly became an [[http://xkcd.com/109/ internet meme]] within days of the book's release.
** In its 18th season, {{The Simpsons}} pretty much validated this spoiler during an episode in which Homer read the latest ''Angelica Button'' book to daughter Lisa. Later he skipped ahead, then announced, "They killed [headmaster] Greystache!"
*** Or in the 21st season, where, upon finishing describing his latest plan to Bart, Sideshow Bob says "It'll be the greatest murder since ''Snape killed Dumbledore''!" Bart hadn't read that far yet; Bob protests that it's a four-year-old book, and Bart responds by saying he's a slow reader.
** Now the only spoiler is what really happened: [[spoiler:"Snape ''euthanizes'' Dumbledore"]]! Which is pretty well-known, too, now. [[spoiler: In other words, Snape was really working for Dumbledore the entire time.]]
*** The fact is somewhat foreshadowed in the sixth movie, where Snape asks Dumbledore [[spoiler: "Do you ever thing that you ask too much?" Refering to Dumbledore asking him to fulfill his role to the letter, including helping kill him, since that was Draco's mission.]]
* ''TheWheelOfTime'': Rand al'Thor is [[TheChosenOne the Dragon Reborn]]. Although it's pretty evident from about a third of the way into the first book, and shortly after, confirmed by [[TheObiWant Moiraine]].
* ''AliceInWonderland'': It was AllJustADream.
** ''Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There'': Again, it was AllJustADream. But just to mess with our heads, we're left with the question "Was it Alice's dream, or the Red King's dream?"
** The Mad Hatter doesn't know why a raven is like a writing desk.
* ''Anna Karenina'': Anna commits suicide by jumping under a train. When Vladimir Nabokov taught this novel, he was particularly fond of the trope; he intentionally gave away the ending to his students before they started reading the book, so they would not focus solely on the plot.
** Focus on the ''plot'' of a Russian literary classic? [[GeniusBonus Heh...]]
* ''TreasureIsland'': The ship's cook, Long John Silver, turns out to be a pirate. Of course, these days the name "Long John Silver" is as strongly associated with piracy as Black Beard, and, in fact, the [[TalkLikeAPirate "Pirate Accent"]] was associated with piracy by a portrayal of Silver. Nowadays those who haven't read the book might be more surprised to learn he was a cook at the start - [[FridgeBrilliance which brings us to the fast food chain that bears his name...]]
** Also, Ben Gunn had the treasure all along. And John escapes with a sack of coin.
* In Len Deighton's {{Bernard Samson}} sequence, the twist at the end of the first novel, Berlin Game, is essentially given away the back cover of every subsequent novel in the sequence "Bernard Samson is a bit distraught that his wife is a traitor'.
* Parodied and subverted in ''MoreInformationThanYouRequire'', when Hodgman discusses W.R. Hearst, and reveals that "Rosebud" was Hearst's nickname for TheodoreRoosevelt.
* ''WarOfTheWorlds'': The aliens are ultimately brought down by the common cold.
* ''TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy'': The answer to the "Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything" is... [[AntiClimax 42]].
* ''NineteenEightyFour'': The Brotherhood is a trap, O'Brien works for the party, Winston tells them to do it to Julia, and in the end, he loves Big Brother.
* ''TheBible'': Jesus dies for our sins and comes back to life.
** John has a prophecy about the world ending.
* ''GoneWithTheWind:'' Rhett leaves Scarlett. That's the entire point of "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn!"
* ''TheMalteseFalcon'' is a fake. General Kemidov still has the real one. Also, Bridget shot Archer.
* HPLovecraft gives us a few:
** ''The Call of Cthulhu'': Cthulhu rises, and then goes to sleep again.
** ''The Dunwich Horror'' is the giant, invisible brother of Wilbur. Both of them are the sons of Yog-Sothoth.
** ''Pickman's Model'' is a giant ghoul.
** ''The Rats in the Walls'' are actually in his head, and [[LamarckWasRight he has inherited]] [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]] from his ancestors.
** ''The Haunter of the Dark'' is an avatar of Nyarlathotep. It drives the protagonist mad and probably eats him.
** ''At the Mountains of Madness'', there are dead aliens, and a few live ones.
** ''The Shadow Over Innsmouth'' is the fact that its townsfolk are descended from demonic fish-creatures. [[TomatoInTheMirror The protagonist is, too.]]
** ''The Whisperer in the Dark'' is that aliens have removed the man's brain and use technology to make the empty husk of his body whisper to the protagonist, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment in a dark room.]] (This was probably more of a shock in the days before the BrainInAJar trope.)
** ''The Shadow Out of Time'' is that The Great Race has been mind-switching with other species (including humans) to collect information on various species and cultures. The protagonist who underwent one such mind-swap discovers a tablet explaining English that he himself wrote buried in a millenia-old ruin.
* ''TheCryingOfLot49'': We never find out what was going on. And the book ends before the actual crying starts.
* Hate to break this to y'all, but Count {{Dracula}} is a vampire. Shocking, I know. He also turns Lucy into one. There was originally some indication that he was a werewolf.
* ''AroundTheWorldInEightyDays'', Fogg and company arrive in London apparently too late to get to the Reform Club in time in the third to the last chapter, but in the next chapter, Fogg arrives just in time win the bet. Most adaptations don't bother with this twist and just show the events that alerts Fogg that he still had time to complete the trip after all, ending with a suspenseful scene of Fogg and company's final sprint to the Reform Club.
* ''The Adventure of the Final Problem'': Sherlock Holmes and his nemesis Professor Moriarty both fall to their deaths from Riechenbach Falls.
** ''The Adventure of the Empty House'': You won't believe this, but Sherlock Holmes didn't die, he was hiding from Moriarty's henchmen.
* In the third Hercule Poirot novel, ''The Murder of Roger Ackroyd'', the murderer is the narrator. In the very last Hercule Poirot novel, ''Curtain'', the ''final'' murder is committed by the master detective, Hercule Poirot himself. Both of these break the fundamental rules of fair play in detective fiction, but in ways that still play fair.
* ''{{Twilight}}'': Edward is a vampire! (It doesn't help that this twist is spoiled on ''the book's jacket''.)
** Similiarly, in ''New Moon'', Jacob is a werewolf! Even people who haven't read the books now know this from the [[TrailersAlwaysSpoil movie trailers]].
* ''JaneEyre'': Mr. Rochester's wife is BerthaInTheAttic.
* ''FlowersForAlgernon'': [[FlowersForAlgernonSyndrome Charlie's increased intelligence is temporary]].
* ''LordOfTheFlies'': HumansAreBastards and Piggy dies.
* ''OfMiceAndMen'': George [[KillTheOnesYouLove kills Lennie]].
* The endings of EdgarAllanPoe's most famous stories are generally pretty well known. "The Tell-tale Heart": The murderer is driven to confess because he can hear his victim's heart beating. "The Cask of Amontillado": The narrator walls up his enemy in the cellar. "The Masque of the Red Death": The masked guest is the Red Death itself. "The Fall of the House of Usher": Madeline was BuriedAlive. "The Purloined Letter" was HiddenInPlainSight. And so on.
* ''The Vampyre''. [[LordByron Lord Ruthven]] is actually a vampire/vampyre.
* ''AtlasShrugged'': The world's productive businessmen are retreating to a secluded valley called Galt's Gulch, in order to remove their contribution to a world that hates them yet depends on them, until the outside world collapses and they can return as its new masters.
* ''Mahabharata'': Krishna is an avatar of Vishnu.
* ''DivineComedy'': Any modern version of the Commedia will start the book out by revealing that the main character is Dante and the forest represents the blindness of sin and the urge to commit suicide. This is probably a remnant of when Inferno got so popular it used to be sold alone because all of those facts (author as character, sin, suicide) are supposed to be surprises spelled out in detail by Beatrice in Purgatory.
* ''PrideAndPrejudice'': Elizabeth Bennet marries Mr. Darcy. Also, George Wickham is [[AffablyEvil not as amiable as he seems.]]
* ''{{Wicked}}'': Elphaba [[ForegoneConclusion dies]].
** [[spoiler:"Except in the musical, where she doesn't really."]]
* ''WizardofOz'' : The witch dies. It was NOT AllJustADream. In fact, there are sequels where Dorothy goes back.
* ''MobyDick'': The whale kills everyone but [[TheIshmael Ishmael]].
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[[folder: Live Action TV]]
* ''HappyDays'': Fonzie survives [[JumpingTheShark jumping over the shark]]. The show itself....not so much.
* Due to PopCulturalOsmosis, many of the twists of ''{{Lost}}'''s first season are well-known enough to be parodied or spoofed without regard for whether someone has seen the show. As the years go by, certain elements of the later seasons naturally become this trope as well:
** The monster in the jungle is an amorphous cloud of black smoke. Revealed in the second season, the monster's appearance (Dinosaur? Giant sloth? Robot?) was a source of almost all speculation about the show during the first season.
** John Locke was in a wheelchair before the crash and regained his ability to walk on the island. The show's first twist ending, and is now so well known that most fans forget this was ever a plot twist to begin with.
** Walt is kidnapped off the raft by the Others, who apparently resemble untamed savages. Often an example of ShallowParody, as the Others are perfectly clean and civilized individuals, but pop culture hasn't caught up to that season yet.
** The hatch is actually a research station containing a computer with a button that must be pushed every 108 minutes. Because the DHARMA Initiative is such a massive part of the show, many people forget the hatch's contents were ever a mystery.
*** The ''very fact that there is a hatch in the ground to begin with'' is an example of this trope.
** "Henry Gale from Minnesota" is in fact Benjamin Linus, certified lying bastard and leader of the Others. Like the hatch example, Ben is such a major character that many people can't remember the show without him.
* The twist endings to several episodes of ''TheTwilightZone'' have fallen victim to this. The most famous are probably the ending of "ToServeMan" ("It's a cookbook!") and [[PlanetOfTheApesEnding "I Shot An Arrow Into The Air"]].
** It's not fair! There was time now!
** I'm a pretty girl in a world of ugly pigpeople who consider themselves the standard bearers of beauty!
** Those "tiny" alien invaders attacking that poor old lady are actually Earth-men on a planet of giants!
* ''{{Dallas}}'': Kristin shot J.R.
** It was AllJustADream!
* The final ''{{Newhart}}'' has probably reached this point by now: It's all a dream of the main character of ''TheBobNewhartShow''.
** As well as the final ''StElsewhere'': It's all a fantasy of an autistic boy.
*** Oh and ''StElsewhere'' had multiple crossovers episodes of other shows, with characters from the dream being treated as real in those shows. Those show also crossover with others, to the point a good chunk of television is his dream.
** ''{{Roseanne}}'': Everything after a previously unremarkable episode had been Roseanne's idealized semi-autobiographical novel.
*** It's also suggested that the entire show was also her writing.
* In the first season of ''BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', Angel being a vampire was a big plot twist revealed mid-way through the season. Yeah.
** Oh, and [[AmberBenson Tara]] [[StuffedInTheFridge dies]]. Certainly makes some moments with her from previous seasons make you wanna kill somebody.
** By the way, Buffy dies at the end of Season 1. And at the end of Season 5.
* Certainly the sudden blackout ending of ''TheSopranos'' counts, considering how much the media talked about it.
* Susan Boyle on ''BritainsGotTalent'' looks like she's going to be one of those HopelessAuditionees. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY She isn't.]]
* [[DoctorWho Professor Yana is The Master.]]There are several of these in Classic Doctor Who, which is pretty much unavoidable since it has been running since the '60s and has over a thousand episodes, so no one is going to be watching it from beginning to end. A few dramatic moments that will have been spoiled if you go back to watch the old episodes include that The Doctor regenerates if he dies, that Romana regenerates, that Adric dies, that the Daleks will become extremely powerful, that the Time Lords will get wiped out, and many, many more.
* ''TheShield'''s twist in the pilot, where the paint-by-numbers corrupt cop with a heart of gold Vic Mackey murders in cold blood good guy cop Terry Crowley, helped elevate Michael Chiklis's character to a new level of magnificent bastardom and make the Shield not just another cop show, by sending Vic over the MoralEventHorizon and asking fans to [[ItGotWorse follow him on his way down to even further villainy]].
** Made even more surprising by the fact that Crowley is played by a semi-known actor, whose name is in the main credits, and appeared in the series' promotional material before the premiere.
* ''[[MASHTheSeries M* A* S* H]]'': Col. Blake's plane is [[McLeaned shot down]] as he's [[{{Retirony}} on his way home]].
** Also, the fighting stops.
* ''DaeJangGeum ''is a very interesting example, since it is usually only spoiled for those who understand the native Korean, but it is spoiled right there in the title. Those watching it with subtitles don't know what Dae means, and probably don't know enough Korean history to know who the historical figure is. If they can just avoid reading any description of the show, they will enjoy an incredible surprise ending.
* ''Crusade'': The ship that destroyed the Cerebus and left Gideon stranded in space was not, in fact, a Shadow ship. It was a human ship built with Shadow technology.
* ''TheFugitive'': It ''was'' the one-armed man.
* ''StarTrekVoyager'': They get back home.

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[[folder: Poetry]]
* In "Casey at the Bat", Mighty Casey strikes out.
* The Raven from "[[EdgarAllanPoe The Raven]]" stays there forever.
* Richard Cory [[DownerEnding shoots himself in the head]].
* {{Homer}}: Achilles is shot [[AchillesHeel in the heel]] and dies, the Trojan War is won when the Greeks [[TrojanHorse enter Troy inside a wooden horse.]]
* [[TheRimeOfTheAncientMariner The Mariner]] shoots the Albatross, and everyone in the ship dies but him.
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[[folder: Theatre]]
* ''AStreetcarNamedDesire'': Stanley rapes Blanche, she is institutionalized by her sister who either doesn't believe her or chooses not to, and announces that she has always depended upon the kindness of strangers.
* The endings to many of {{Shakespeare}}'s plays are well known. Most don't have an actual TwistEnding, but ''{{Macbeth}}'' comes [[NoManOfWomanBorn pretty close]]. The ending, by the way, is that [=MacDuff=] is a C-section baby, and can therefore kill [=MacBeth=].
** The ending of ''Titus Andronicus'' fits the "twist" ending well: Titus bakes the guys who raped his daughter into a pie, and [[IAmAHumanitarian feeds it to their mother and stepfather.]]
*** This was the inspiration for the ''SouthPark'' episode "Scott Tenorman Must Die".
** ''KingLear'' had a twist ending, at least at the time it was released. Theatre-goers of that time would have been extremely familiar with the story of King Lear, which, until Shakespeare, always ended with Lear being restored to his throne and ruling well until dying of old age.
*** In the original Danish legend of ''Amleth'', he kills his wicked uncle, becomes king, and lives happily ever after. Not so much in Shakespeare's [[{{Hamlet}} version]], where, as the lyrics to [[TheBandWagon "That's Entertainment"]] say, [[KillEmAll "ev'ryone ends in mince meat."]]
**** In fact, people were so used to the traditional ending that Nahum Tate changed it, and had Cordelia and Lear living happily ever after. Shakespeare's ending wasn't commonly used until the middle of the 19th century.
** [[RomeoAndJuliet Romeo]] drinks some poison and Juliet stabs herself because, in an odd twist of fate, they both think the other one is dead. Not really a twist if they tell you that in a monologue before the first act begins.
*** Pretty much the same thing occurs in ''Antony and Cleopatra''.
*** And ''WestSideStory''.
*** [[http://www.amazon.com/Romeo-Juliet-William-Shakespeare/dp/0061965499/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272506122&sr=8-16 One of the editions of the play on Amazon has a summary]]: "With family and fate determined to keep them apart, will Romeo and Juliet find a way to be together?" [[YouShouldKnowThisAlready Why bother with this question? Who doesn't know the ending already?]]
** {{Othello}} strangles Desdemona to death, then finds out she was innocent and kills himself.
* ''LaBoheme'': Mimi dies.
** ''{{Rent}}'': Mimi dies. Then gets better.
* ''WaitingForGodot'': Godot never shows up.
** ''Happy Days''. You think being buried up to your waist in sand is bad? How about being buried up to your neck?
* ''WaitingForLefty'': Lefty never shows up either, mostly because he's been shot. The cabbies strike.
* ''OedipusRex''. Oedipus married his mother. Not much of a twist considering the myth was well known before it was made into a play.
** Not being a twist is intentional. Many Classical Greek plays were written with the knowledge that their audience already knew how the events were going to unfold. {{Dramatic Irony}} is the name of the game.
* In ''Oedipus at Colonus,'' the titular character reveals that his children were the product of incest. For modern audiences this is how the myth is assumed to go, but it is presumed that an earlier version of the myth would have some or none of the children born of incest, instead the product of a polygamous marriage.
** Similarly, {{Euripides}}' version of ''{{Medea}}''. In all versions of the Medea myth, her children die but most versions have it happen by accident or bring the children back alive at the end of the story (usually because of mistaken identity). Ancient Greek audiences would have been shocked at Euripides' ending, where Medea is the willful murderess of her own sons we know today.
*** On top of that, Medea was also a shocker for Ancient Greek audiences because Euripides was one of the first Greek playwrights to show death onstage! Previously, a death would only be reported by a messenger. Medea killing her children mid-monologue would have been unheard of.
** To a lesser extent, {{Aeschylus}}' ''Agamemnon'' - in the conventional myth, the titular character is murdered by Aegisthus, with Clytemnestra as his accomplice. Clytemnestra being the sole murderer would have been a surprise to a Greek audience (though it's obvious fairly early on).
*** The BlindGuardian song "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYFFivxw56A Under The Ice]]" is about Clytemnestra's murder of Agamemnon (and his wife Cassandra - yes, ''that'' [[CassandraTruth Cassandra]].) The lyrics come from Clytemnestra's POV, and she never speaks in the third person, so you kind of have to know about the background of the story to know what's going on. Agamemnon is only referred to as the "King of Terror", but Cassandra ''is'' referred to by name - about once or twice, at the very beginning of the song (implying that [[DeadlyEuphemism she's already dead]] when the song starts, which means that Clytemnestra is sadistically informing Agamemnon of the fact before she kills him.) I'm not sure if this is a true "ItWasHisSled", but it's almost close enough to fit.
* JM Synge's ''Riders to the Sea'': Bartley drowns. Everyone knows this from Maurya's famous monologue:
-->They're all gone now, and there isn't anything more the sea can do to me.... I'll have no call now to be up crying and praying when the wind breaks from the south, and you can hear the surf is in the east, and the surf is in the west, making a great stir with the two noises, and they hitting one on the other. I'll have no call now to be going down and getting Holy Water in the dark nights after Samhain, and I won't care what way the sea is when the other women will be keening.
* ''Hedda Gabler'' shoots herself.
** Nora leaves her husband in ''The Doll's House'', slamming the door behind her.
* The ''Three Sisters'' never get to Moscow. Also, Baron Tuzenbach dies.
* ''The Ghost Sonata'': Nothing gets better.
* ''Woyzeck'' stabs Marie to death, and then ambiguously drowns himself while trying to dispose of the knife.
* ''[[LongDaysJourneyIntoNight Long Day's Journey into Night]]'': Edmund has tuberculosis, and wishes he were a seal or a fish.
* ''DeathOfASalesman''. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Come on.]]
** Some theatre-goers thought [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic it was metaphorical]] at the time
* ''{{Manfred}}'', being the blatant AuthorAvatar that he is, has to WalkTheEarth as penance for BrotherSisterIncest.
* ''ThePiratesOfPenzance'' are [[DeusExMachina all noblemen who have gone wrong]], and Frederick was born on February 29th.
** The Captain of the ''HMSPinafore'' and Ralph Rackstraw were switched at birth.
** In ''TheYeomenOfTheGuard''... there is no DeusExMachina, and [[DownerEnding everyone ends up married to the wrong person]].
* ''WhosAfraidOfVirginiaWoolf'': George and Martha's son doesn't exist.
* ''DerRingDesNibelungen'': Every major character dies. (If you're the rare person who [[YouShouldKnowThisAlready doesn't know this coming in]], Erda's warning at the end of the first opera, ''Das Rheingold'', makes it abundantly clear.)
* ''TheMagicFlute'': The Queen of the Night is actually the ''villain'' ([[AlternateCharacterInterpretation at least in traditional stagings]]).
* ''MadameButterfly'': Pinkerton abandons Butterfly in the end, resulting in her suicide.
* ''PeterGrimes'': Peter drowns himself, after being driven out by TorchesAndPitchforks.
* The Czech genius [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jára_Cimrman Jára Cimrman]] doesn't really exist. (But playing along with the joke of his actual existence is very much a part of the phenomenon.)
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[[folder: Video Games]]
* ''SuperMarioBros'': Beat the first world. Discover that the princess is in another castle. Repeat for six more worlds. Then get the princess.
* ''SoulNomad'': Has a hidden dark side story called the demon path. Revya is easily the most evil VillainProtagonist in all of videogames.
* ''FinalFantasyI'': Garland is actually Chaos, the BigBad, and shall [[MemeticMutation knock you all down]]. This one was spoiled by ''[=~Dissidia: Final Fantasy~=]'' and is even a plot point.
* ''FinalFantasyII'': The Emperor isn't quite as dead as you'd think...
* ''FinalFantasyIV'': Cecil becomes a paladin, and Golbez is his brother who's being mind controlled by the real BigBad, Zemus. Cecil and Golbez are both moon people. Practically everyone in the game [[StandardHeroReward becomes royalty]], except for Kain, who got the shaft as usual.
* ''FinalFantasyV'': Exdeath is actually a giant tree. Not even ''Dissidia'' avoids making fun of this one.
* ''FinalFantasyVI'': Kefka is the real BigBad, and the FloatingContinent [[DiscOneFinalDungeon is not the final dungeon.]]
** The last one was spoiled for people before they ever played it when it was new, considering there was a map of the World of Ruin included with the game.
* ''FinalFantasyVII'': Aerith [[PlotlineDeath dies]] in the ending of the first disc. [[FinalDeath Permanently]], despite [[UrbanLegendOfZelda rumors to the contrary]].
** Of course, there ''is'' a way to keep her alive... with a GameShark.
** Zidane and Kuja are [[ArtificialHuman not actually human]] although one wouldn't think so [[CaptainObvious with their tails]].
* ''FinalFantasyX'': Yuna does NOT die. Tidus is a dream construct of the Fayth and Auron died ten years ago trying to defy Yu Yevon.
** And Sin is Jecht, Tidus' dear ol' dad.
** [[FinalFantasyX2 Tidus survives and returns to Yuna.]]
* Would you kindly not spoil the twist to ''BioShock''?
** "A man chooses, a slave obeys."
* ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'': [[TomatoInTheMirror The player character is]] [[BigBad Darth Revan]].
** KOTOR2: Kreia is the BigBad.
* ''TheLegendOfZelda: OcarinaOfTime'': Sheik is Zelda [[GenderBender in disguise]]. This is so out that ''SuperSmashBros'' series has the Zelda-Sheik transformation as a special move.
** Midway through the game you travel seven years into the future.
** Oh, and the tomboy-pirate from ''TheWindWaker'', wearing the same bandages around her wrist as Sheik and having the same tan? Yeah, she's a Princess Zelda too. Even though the mentioned hints weren't really obvious to recognize on first glance, a visit on this page, DeviantArt or YouTube will certainly make you recognize them. ''After'' spoiling the whole twist to you. And if that's not enough, her Trophy in SuperSmashBros and the intro of ''PhantomHourglass'' completly ruin it.
** And yet the same into of the latter game tries to keep the identity of Wind Waker's BigBad a secret, despite it being revealed about 20 minutes into the game. Any the games that are HijackedByGanon are ripe for this trope, though.
** The Great Sea featured in ''The Wind Waker'' is actually a flooded Hyrule.
* Solid Snake's commanding officer, Big Boss, is secretly the enemy commander in the first ''Game/MetalGear''.
** In ''MetalGearSolid'', Solid Snake and Liquid Snake (as well as Solidus) are actually clones of Big Boss.
** The Cyborg Ninja is actually Gray Fox BackFromTheDead.
** The player only controls Snake for the prologue portion of ''MetalGearSolid2'' and spends the remainder of the game as Raiden.
* ''ResidentEvil'': Wesker is the big bad in the first game and gets killed by a tyrant. And HeGetsBetter.
* ''{{Metroid}}'': SamusIsAGirl.
** A hot one, at that.
* Not for the game being notable, but for the twist being so retarded, ''BionicCommando'' and its "Your arm is your wife" has achieved major notoriety.
** Gamesradar.com, after using it as a recurring gag on their podcast, now sells "THE ARM IS HIS WIFE!" t-shirts. Really.
* ''{{Castlevania}}: Aria of Sorrow'': Soma Cruz is the reincarnation of {{Dracula}}. The direct sequel, ''Dawn of Sorrow'', states this pretty early on.) Also, the mysterious "J" is actually Julius Belmont, making him a descendant of the clan known for going against Dracula over the years. (''Dawn of Sorrow'' states this as well.) Oddly, the ''Aria'' reveal that ''wasn't'' explicitly stated until ''Dawn'' was the first one players figured out, thanks to a particularly unsubtle hint from Yoko. Genya Arikado is Alucard.
** Arikado...Alucard...is this really supposed to be a secret from the ''player,'' or is it meant to be [[DramaticIrony obvious to the player but not to the characters]]?
*** Probably obvious to Japanese players. American players might not guess that it's a corruption of the romanization of the way a certain SdrawkcabName is pronounced in a different language.
* There are bigger threats than the Covenant in ''{{Halo}}'', as the demos and publicity carefully did ''not'' tell you.
* ''[=~Baldur's Gate~=]'': You're one of the children of the dead god of Murder, as are [[CainAndAbel most of the antagonists]]. When the ''creators'' declare 'ItWasHisSled' (by marketing the series as "The Bhaalspawn Saga") you know the twist is dead.
* ''KingdomHeartsII'': Roxas is Sora's nobody. C'mon, with [[SignificantAnagram that name]] and appearance, who else could he be?
** Regardless of whenever or not you've heard it before, it's most likely you'll just guess it quite early in the game's story. It's '''''that''''' obvious.
*** ''KingdomHearts:358/2Days'' flat out tells you in the first few cutscenes of the game.
*** Xehanort is ALWAYS the bad guy. [[HijackedByGanon He's like the series' Ganon.]]
* Feena and Lea are the twin goddeses of {{Ys}}
* [[TalesOfDestiny Leon]] is going to betray the party and dies with Chaltier. And by the way, [[TalesOfSymphonia Kratos]] is Lloyd's father.
* In ''{{Pokemon Red and Blue}}'', your rival is the Champion and you have to defeat him in order to beat the game. As if you didn't see it coming anyway.
** And the hidden Pokemon Mew is mentioned in the storyline.
** Another first-generation one is the fact that Giovanni is the Viridian City Gym Leader. This was supposed to be a surprise in the game, but everyone knew about it beforehand.
** In [[PokemonGoldAndSilver Gold and Silver]], you have to fight Red. Also, by the time Nintendo "revealed" [[OlympusMons Arceus']] existence, everyone already knew about it.
** The champions are always this. Blue, Lance, Wallace, Steven, and Cynthia. You always meet them in the story and interact with them however it isn't until TheReveal that you learn they're the champion.
** Silver's father is Giovanni.
* ''Game/MegaMan 3'': Break Man is Proto Man, and Mega Man's brother. Even the ''Anniversary Collection'' doesn't pretend this is a surprise. He's your Navi for cryin' out loud!
** ''MegaManX'': Zero is the greatest creation of Dr. Wily, and the one who's ''supposed'' to destroy the world.
** ''MegaManZero 4'': Zero dies (again) at the end of the series, in an epic HeroicSacrifice. It '''is''' practically CommonKnowledge, thanks to the fact that, to this day, arguments are still strong on whether or not he survived.
* [[{{Portal}} The cake is a lie.]] OrIsIt? Also, you kill the Cube.
** Don't forget that GLaDOS is Still Alive.
* Ingram Plisken of ''SuperRobotWars'' pulls a FaceHeelTurn and was always working for the [[HumanAliens Aerogaters]].
** What's surprising was that some players who played ''SuperRobotWarsAlpha'' hoped Ingram in ''SuperRobotWarsOriginalGeneration'' wouldn't pull it, due to numerous differences between ''Alpha'' and ''Original Generation'' {{continuity}}.
** [[SuperRobotWarsCompact2 Einst Alfimi]] is Excellen Browning's clone. By the time ''Original Generation 2'' incorporated ''[[VideoGameRemake Impact's]]'' story, it was common knowledge.
*** Do note that what ''still'' should be considered a spoiler for ''Original Generation'' is [[spoiler:[[SuperRobotWarsAdvance Lemon Browning]] being Excellen's AlternatveUniverse counterpart]].
* ''{{FEAR}}'': Alma is your mother.
* ''{{Doom}}'': the lost Deimos base is suspended above Hell itself.
** [[AndThenJohnWasAZombie John is the demons.]]
* ''{{Tsukihime}}'': Shiki was adopted and the ''real'' Tohno SHIKI is the BigBad. ([[RoadCone Most of the time, anyway.]])
** Also, Kohaku is really a StepfordSmiler who poisons Shiki (and others) throughout the story.
* ''FateStayNight'': Archer is a FutureBadass Shirou Emiya, Rin and Sakura are sisters since Tokiomi gave Sakura up to Zouken in ''FateZero'', Saber's true identity is a {{Gender flip}}ped KingArthur, Sakura goes batshit in Heaven's Feel, and Ilya is technically Shirou's sister, being the offspring of Kiritsugu and Irisviel von Einzbern.
* [[ArtOfFighting King]], [[{{Bifauxnen}} whose gender]] is supposedly no longer a secret to anyone in the sequel. By the time of ''TheKingOfFighters'', it's nearly impossible to mistake her for a man.
** The identity of the final boss in the original ''ArtOfFighting'', Mr. Karate, would count as well, if it weren't for the fact that his identity wasn't reveal anyway until the sequel, where the intro tells the player outright that Mr. Karate is Takuma Sakazaki, Ryo's father.
* [[WorldOfWarcraft Saurfang the Younger dies at Wrathgate,]] [[IGotBetter but then comes back as a raid boss.]]
** Bolvar Fordragon is the new Lich King.
* ''{{Mother 3}}'': [[TearJerker Your mother dies.]] [[CompleteMonster Porky]] [[DragonAscendant is the]] BigBad. [[EvilTwin Claus is the Masked Boy,]] [[MoreThanMindControl but he's not really that bad.]]
** This one actually ''should'' still be a spoiler, considering that [[NoExportForYou it was never released outside of Japan]], but since Lucas is a playable character in SuperSmashBrosBrawl, all of the above points [[YouShouldKnowThisAlready were spoiled in the trophy descriptions.]] [[SarcasmMode Thanks a lot, Nintendo.]]
* Very oddly inverted with the ''{{BlazBlue}}'' series: Things that are mentioned almost casually in the dialogue, or happen as early as ten minutes into the game's story mode are often marked as spoilers on websites for some reason.
** Played straight with Hazama being an epic level troll.
* ''PhantasyStarII'': The Earthlings are the [[TheChessmaster Chessmasters]] behind the entire plot. Palma is destroyed. The BolivianArmyEnding.
* DeusEx: UNATCO is just a front for Majestic 12.
* DeusExInvisibleWar: World Trade Organization and The Order are two departments of one organization and their animosity is fake.
* ''[[{{STALKER}} S.T.A.L.K.E.R.]]'': Wish Granter is a trap for the gullible and the greedy. The Zone is an experiment.
* VampireTheMasqueradeBloodlines: The Ancaran Sarcophagus is just an ordinary item. The cab driver is Caine.
* ''{{Persona 4}}'': [[SamusIsAGirl Naoto is a girl.]]
* ''{{Silent Hill}}'': Cheryl is Alessa, Alessa is Heather.
** In Silent Hill 2, James loved Mary a little bit too much.
** You find out shortly into Silent Hill 3 that Heather is Harry's daughter. Oh and that he's dead.
* Starkiller dies at the end of ''TheForceUnleashed''. [[DoomedByCanon Wasn't like it was too hard to guess.]]
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[[folder:Webcomics]]
* ''JumpLeads'': The central premise of two characters travelling through parallel universes unable to return home is so integral to the comic's story that it's easy to forget that much of the [[http://www.jump-leads.com/comic/1 first issue]] is about the two trainees embarking on their first field exercise, with their inter-dimensional predicament being something of a plot twist.
* ''PvP'': Skull's cat Scratch (or Scratch Fury, Destroyer of Worlds) is super-intelligent. Shocking, I know.
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[[folder: Western Animation]]
* [[TheSimpsons Maggie shot Mr. Burns]]
* ''FamilyGuy''. Stewie doesn't kill Lois; it was just a simulation.
** This trope was parodied in an early episode. In a flashback, Peter had recorded over a VHS copy of Citizen Kane saying, "[[ItWasHisSled It was his sled.]] ... There. I saved you two, long, boobless, hours."
* [[SouthPark Cartman made Scott Tenorman eat his parents]]
** ''FamilyGuy'' is written by manatees.
** Cartman's father is not his mother but Scott Tenorman's father.
* [[TransformersAnimated Longarm is Shockwave.]]
** [[RoboticReveal Sari is a cyborg,]] [[LivingShip the ship is Omega Supreme.]]
** The planet that the ''BeastWars'' take place on is actually prehistoric Earth.
** [[TransformersTheMovie Optimus]] [[TransformersGenerationOne Prime]] [[BeastWars dies]] [[TransformersArmada and]] [[TransformersAnimated comes]] [[TransformersFilmSeries back.]]
* [[LooneyTunes Elmer strikes Bugs Bunny down with lightning in ''What's Opera Doc?'']]
** In the final shot, Bugs--lying dead in Elmer's arms--looks up for a moment and says, "What did you expect in an opera, a '''happy''' ending?" then falls back into his death pose.
** BugsBunny is the off-screen animator tormenting Daffy in "DuckAmuck."
* [[BatmanBeyond Terry]] [[BatmanBeyond McGinnis]] [[BatmanBeyond is Bruce Wayne's biological son.]]
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[[folder: Religion]]
* [[TheBible Jesus]] dies.
** [[IGotBetter He Gets Better]].
*** [[AscendedToAHigherPlaneOfExistence Then goes away.]]
**** [[FisherKing And he will return and recreate the world.]]
**** [[WordOfGod Word o]][[IncrediblyLamePun f God]] on this one hasn't really settled the debate; [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation there are alternate interpretations]]. One is favored by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam about a billion fans]] world wide, and other vocal [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judiasm fans]] of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism series think that it's all]] FanWank. Even among the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity target]] audience there is considerable debate and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholicism a]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainline_Protestant very]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism wide]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican variety]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Church of]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarian competing]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations factions]].
* Satan loses in the end.
* Judas betrays Jesus.
* The Red Sea gets parted.
* [[NorseMythology Ragnarok is inevitable]]. All the major gods will die. However, Midgard will be rebuilt from the ashes.
* "Buddha" dies of food poisoning.
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[[folder: Meta]]
* This page spoils twists.
** Justified for the most part, except for ''CitizenKane''
** And averted with ''TheMousetrap''.
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[[folder: Real Life]]
* Everyone dies (eventually).
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[[folder: My '''Greasemonkey script''' for the TV Tropes fora]]
I wrote a [[http://wiki.greasespot.net/Greasemonkey Greasemonkey]] script that provides the user with a few tweaks when using the TV Tropes fora:
* It displays every posters IP address in a second signature box. Clicking on the IP address will bring you to a ''whois'' lookup page. [[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/ipExample_2215.PNG Here you can see how it looks like]].
* It removes the infamous "friendly civil forum" banner from the add-post screen.
* It adds new buttons to the emoticon bar in the add-post screen that paste formatting tags into the text field when they are pressed:
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!!It can be downloaded from [[http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/88666 here]] and its source code can be viewed [[http://userscripts.org/scripts/review/88666 here]].
For other TV Tropes user modifactions [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=ybg9jlpffo7ecdesi54lstha&page=1#1 go to this forum thread]]. Drop in there if you have a request or question.
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