History Trivia / Watchmen

9th Sep '17 2:08:00 AM JulianLapostat
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* CommonKnowledge:
** It is common knowledge that ''Watchmen'' only exists because Moore couldn't do the story with Charlton Comics creations. In fact, as Moore pointed out, his original plan involved MLJ Heroes published by Archie Comics, with The Shield slated to be the murder victim that brings the heroes together. Moore turned to Charlton when DC didn't have the rights for the MLJ heroes, and the only reason Moore wanted to adapt previously existing characters was for similar reasons as ''ComicBook/{{Miracleman}}'' (namely that he wanted the characters, however obscure, to have a history and legacy that would make his treatment of them really tragic). Moore noted that once he started work on ''Watchmen'', he rapidly stepped away from the Charlton-MLJ-related concept.
** Likewise, it is common to assume that ''Watchmen'' killed off the goofier, more idealistic [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] type stories for some time, nevermind that the Silver Age was over for nearly ten years by that point. As critic Lance Parkin notes, it's actually closer in visual style to the Silver Age era than the GrimDark books that would follow. Furthermore, as successful as ''Watchmen'' was, it was not by any means the great blockbuster that people imagine it. It was outsold by Creator/JohnByrne's ''ComicBook/TheManOfSteel'' and not nearly as successful as ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns''. Something like ''ComicBook/ADeathInTheFamily'' and especially ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman'' probably had a bigger cultural and editorial impact on the darkening of comics than ''Watchmen'' did.



* DoingItForTheArt: The endless subtle hints and foreshadowing, or minor connections within the ChekhovsArmy that one can find during the second read through can ''not'' be a coincidence. There are also the ''very'' detailed instructions Moore gave to the artist.

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* DoingItForTheArt: DoingItForTheArt:
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The endless subtle hints and foreshadowing, or minor connections within the ChekhovsArmy that one can find during the second read through can ''not'' be a coincidence. There are also the ''very'' detailed instructions Moore gave to the artist.



* FollowTheLeader: It and ''Dark Knight Returns'' singlehandedly ushered in UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks.
* GenreKiller: It is perceived as killing off the goofier, more idealistic [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] type stories for some time, even if, as critic Lance Parkin notes, that it's actually closer in visual style to that era than the GrimDark books that would follow.
** Nevermind that the Silver Age was over for nearly ten years by that point.

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* FollowTheLeader: It and ''Dark Knight Returns'' singlehandedly ushered is credited with ushering in UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks.
* GenreKiller: It is perceived as killing off
UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks and the goofier, more idealistic [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] type stories for some time, even if, as critic Lance Parkin notes, that it's actually closer in visual style to that era than the GrimDark books that would follow.
** Nevermind that the Silver Age was over for nearly ten years by that point.
graphic novel era.



* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Rorschach's original costume was a form-fitting white full-body leotard with his inkblot patterns all over it. Later they threw the hat and coat on him to better resemble the Question (which had the unfortunate effect of making him look like a tattooed albino flasher) and finally dressed him up completely, leaving only the mask with the inkblots.
** The story was originally meant to star the heroes of Charlton Comics that DC Comics had recently bought - ComicBook/CaptainAtom, the ComicBook/BlueBeetle, ComicBook/TheQuestion, etc. - but Alan Moore's story didn't mesh with DC's plans to integrate them into the revamped DCU that would follow ''Crisis on Infinite Earths'', so he created a bunch of expies that are now arguably more famous than the characters who inspired them.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: WhatCouldHaveBeen:
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Rorschach's original costume was a form-fitting white full-body leotard with his inkblot patterns all over it. Later they threw the hat and coat on him to better resemble the Question (which had the unfortunate effect of making him look like a tattooed albino flasher) and finally dressed him up completely, leaving only the mask with the inkblots.
** The story was originally meant to star the heroes of the now-forgotten MLJ Comics stable, but when Moore realized he didn't have the rights to MLJ, he turned to Charlton Comics that DC Comics had recently bought - ComicBook/CaptainAtom, --ComicBook/CaptainAtom, the ComicBook/BlueBeetle, ComicBook/TheQuestion, etc. - etc -- but Alan Moore's story didn't mesh with DC's plans to integrate them into the revamped DCU that would follow ''Crisis on Infinite Earths'', so he created a bunch of expies AlternateCompanyEquivalent that are now arguably more famous than the characters who inspired them.
** At the time they were promoting Watchmen, Moore and Gibbons discussed a potential prequel idea around the ''Minutemen'' days, albeit insisting they weren't interested in any sequel of the comic, nor were they interested in other ideas floated to them by DC (such as comics focused on the Comedian in the Vietnam). Moore later said that had DC not stiffed him and Dave Gibbons, he ''might'' have eventually come around to work on Minutemen, which in any case would have been highly different from the series put out in ''ComicBook/BeforeWatchmen'' decades later.
10th Jun '17 10:51:51 AM nombretomado
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* NamesTheSame: The second season of ''TheWire'' also features a company called "Pyramid Delivery". In both works, the company turns out to be a front set up by the BigBad ([[spoiler: Adrian Veidt]] and The Greek, respectively).

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* NamesTheSame: The second season of ''TheWire'' ''Series/TheWire'' also features a company called "Pyramid Delivery". In both works, the company turns out to be a front set up by the BigBad ([[spoiler: Adrian Veidt]] and The Greek, respectively).
29th May '17 11:37:36 AM JulianLapostat
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* DisownedAdaptation: Zack Snyder once said that the best-case scenario of ever getting Alan Moore to watch his movie was that there might come one odd day where Moore accidentally puts the DVD into his player and turns it off after a second. Moore replied to this by saying Snyder was giving the movie too much credit.

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* DisownedAdaptation: Zack Snyder once said that the best-case scenario of ever getting Alan Moore to watch his movie was that there might come one odd day where Moore accidentally puts the DVD into his player in his home in London and turns it off after a second. Moore replied to this by saying Snyder was giving the movie too much credit.mocking Snyder's BritainIsOnlyLondon attitude (he's been living in Northampton for most of his life).
29th May '17 11:36:05 AM JulianLapostat
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* CreatorBacklash: As part of his continuing vendetta with DC Comics, Moore put a hex on the film, literally. It worked as well as hexes [[RealityEnsues ever do]].

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* CreatorBacklash: As part of his continuing vendetta with DC Comics, Moore put a hex on the film, literally. It worked as well as hexes [[RealityEnsues ever do]].do]], though Moore did enjoy gloating over the film's box-office failure.
1st Mar '17 7:15:23 PM nombretomado
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** Aside from Creator/TerryGilliam, Creator/DarrenAronofsky, Paul Greengrass and DavidHayter were all attached to direct at various points. Gilliam had [[Script/{{Watchmen}} a screenplay written by Sam Hamm]] (writer of Creator/TimBurton's ''Film/{{Batman}}'') to work with, while the others had one by Hayter himself. Much like the final film and more so than Hamm's, Hayter's treatment was pretty faithful, more prone to simplifying or cutting things out rather than changing them. However, it was set in the then-present day (2005), Laurie's alias was changed to "Slingshot" (Dr. Manhattan gives her the power to shoot energy balls), and the ending is changed even further than it was for the final film. [[spoiler: The squid is also replaced, this time by a solar energy beam. More importantly, Nite Owl changes his mind about compromising and (barely) defeats and kills Ozymandias, since [[AndThisIsFor "that's what Rorschach would've done."]]. Well, having worked on ''Franchise/MetalGear'' really makes your mind go places.]] Though, according to Hayter, he actually managed to get the approval of Creator/AlanMoore concerning his version of the screenplay.

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** Aside from Creator/TerryGilliam, Creator/DarrenAronofsky, Paul Greengrass and DavidHayter Creator/DavidHayter were all attached to direct at various points. Gilliam had [[Script/{{Watchmen}} a screenplay written by Sam Hamm]] (writer of Creator/TimBurton's ''Film/{{Batman}}'') to work with, while the others had one by Hayter himself. Much like the final film and more so than Hamm's, Hayter's treatment was pretty faithful, more prone to simplifying or cutting things out rather than changing them. However, it was set in the then-present day (2005), Laurie's alias was changed to "Slingshot" (Dr. Manhattan gives her the power to shoot energy balls), and the ending is changed even further than it was for the final film. [[spoiler: The squid is also replaced, this time by a solar energy beam. More importantly, Nite Owl changes his mind about compromising and (barely) defeats and kills Ozymandias, since [[AndThisIsFor "that's what Rorschach would've done."]]. Well, having worked on ''Franchise/MetalGear'' really makes your mind go places.]] Though, according to Hayter, he actually managed to get the approval of Creator/AlanMoore concerning his version of the screenplay.
10th Feb '17 4:32:39 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* CreatorBacklash: Alan Moore does not like the idea of the ''[[{{Prequel}} Before Watchmen]]'' comics, and refused to read them or watch the film adaptation. Dave Gibbons, on the other hand, was more open to the idea of prequels, even wishing the new team of writers and artists well; however, he insists that to him, these aren't canon at all, but merely derivative work.

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* CreatorBacklash: Alan Moore Creator/AlanMoore does not like the idea of the ''[[{{Prequel}} Before Watchmen]]'' comics, and refused to read them or watch the film adaptation. Dave Gibbons, on the other hand, was more open to the idea of prequels, even wishing the new team of writers and artists well; however, he insists that to him, these aren't canon at all, but merely derivative work.



* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Creator/JudeLaw was cast as Ozymandias, and was attached to the role late enough in preproduction that his likeness is clearly recognizable in the character's [[http://i43.tinypic.com/344sfoh.jpg costume sketch]]. Law's reasons for dropping out remain unknown, and he was replaced by the then-relatively unknown Matthew Goode instead, in keeping with the idea that the story should be a bigger star than the actors involved.
** Jude Law had also expressed interest in playing Rorschach.
** TomCruise as Dr. Manhattan, Creator/RonPerlman as the Comedian, Creator/TerryGilliam directing...the list goes on and on.
*** [[{{Script/Watchmen}} An early script]] had Creator/RobinWilliams attached as Rorschach, Creator/KevinCostner as Ozymandias, and Gary Busey as the Comedian. Then again, this script also featured an almost gratuitous GainaxEnding, and was played for ''comedy'', so it's probably a good thing this never happened...
** Aside from Creator/TerryGilliam, Creator/DarrenAronofsky, Paul Greengrass and DavidHayter were all attached to direct at various points. Gilliam had [[Script/{{Watchmen}} a screenplay written by Sam Hamm]] (writer of [[Creator/TimBurton Tim Burton's]] ''Batman'') to work with, while the others had one by Hayter himself. Much like the final film and more so than Hamm's, Hayter's treatment was pretty faithful, more prone to simplifying or cutting things out rather than changing them. However, it was set in the then-present day (2005), Laurie's alias was changed to "Slingshot" (Dr. Manhattan gives her the power to shoot energy balls), and the ending is changed even further than it was for the final film. [[spoiler: The squid is also replaced, this time by a solar energy beam. More importantly, Nite Owl changes his mind about compromising and (barely) defeats and kills Ozymandias, since [[AndThisIsFor "that's what Rorschach would've done."]]. Well, having worked on Franchise/MetalGear really makes your mind go places.]] Though, according to Hayter, he actually managed to get the approval of Alan Moore concerning his version of the screenplay.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: WhatCouldHaveBeen:
**
Creator/JudeLaw was cast as Ozymandias, and was attached to the role late enough in preproduction that his likeness is clearly recognizable in the character's [[http://i43.tinypic.com/344sfoh.jpg costume sketch]]. Law's reasons for dropping out remain unknown, and he was replaced by the then-relatively unknown Matthew Goode instead, in keeping with the idea that the story should be a bigger star than the actors involved.
** Jude Law had also expressed interest in playing Rorschach.
** TomCruise Creator/TomCruise as Dr. Manhattan, Creator/RonPerlman as the Comedian, Creator/TerryGilliam directing...the list goes on and on.
*** [[{{Script/Watchmen}} An early script]] had Creator/RobinWilliams attached as Rorschach, Creator/KevinCostner as Ozymandias, and Gary Busey Creator/GaryBusey as the Comedian. Then again, this script also featured an almost gratuitous GainaxEnding, and was played for ''comedy'', so it's probably a good thing this never happened...
** Aside from Creator/TerryGilliam, Creator/DarrenAronofsky, Paul Greengrass and DavidHayter were all attached to direct at various points. Gilliam had [[Script/{{Watchmen}} a screenplay written by Sam Hamm]] (writer of [[Creator/TimBurton Tim Burton's]] ''Batman'') Creator/TimBurton's ''Film/{{Batman}}'') to work with, while the others had one by Hayter himself. Much like the final film and more so than Hamm's, Hayter's treatment was pretty faithful, more prone to simplifying or cutting things out rather than changing them. However, it was set in the then-present day (2005), Laurie's alias was changed to "Slingshot" (Dr. Manhattan gives her the power to shoot energy balls), and the ending is changed even further than it was for the final film. [[spoiler: The squid is also replaced, this time by a solar energy beam. More importantly, Nite Owl changes his mind about compromising and (barely) defeats and kills Ozymandias, since [[AndThisIsFor "that's what Rorschach would've done."]]. Well, having worked on Franchise/MetalGear ''Franchise/MetalGear'' really makes your mind go places.]] Though, according to Hayter, he actually managed to get the approval of Alan Moore Creator/AlanMoore concerning his version of the screenplay.
1st Feb '17 4:54:14 AM Lloigor
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* GenreKiller: It is perceived as killing off the goofier, more idealistic [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] type stories for some time, even if as critic Lance Parkin notes that it's actually closer in visual style to that era than the GrimDark books that would follow.

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* GenreKiller: It is perceived as killing off the goofier, more idealistic [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] type stories for some time, even if if, as critic Lance Parkin notes notes, that it's actually closer in visual style to that era than the GrimDark books that would follow.
31st Dec '16 4:46:02 PM TheBigBopper
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* RealitySubtext: The sudden surge of superheroes during World War II, decline in the late 40s and 50s, and resurgence in the 60s was meant to reflect the popularity of superhero comic books during the 20th century.

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* RealitySubtext: The sudden surge of superheroes during World War II, decline in the late 40s and 50s, and resurgence in the 60s was meant to reflect the fluctuating popularity of superhero comic books during the 20th century.
12th Dec '16 7:59:56 PM KJMackley
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** Patrick Wilson gained 25 pounds to portray the older and out of shape Dan.
4th Nov '16 2:35:45 PM KJMackley
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* ApprovalOfGod: Dave Gibbons had some interaction with the cast and crew, and was very impressed with the level of detail to the sets, sometimes not realizing a particular detail was taken directly from his art.
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