History Trivia / Watchmen

15th Nov '17 6:56:48 PM BeastC
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** As for the original comic itself, Alan Moore regrets that this book helped usher in UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks, admitting that he was undergoing a CreatorBreakdown while writing it.
13th Nov '17 5:17:35 AM TitoMosquito
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*** One source say it would have taken place on Earth-Four if the Charlton characters were used.
15th Oct '17 1:07:12 AM TitoMosquito
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** Sam Hamm version: [[spoiler: Ozymandias is vaporized, leaving only a pair of boots behind.]]
** David Hayter version: [[spoiler: Nite-Owl stabs and kills him with his "owlrang".]]
** Alex Tse version: [[spoiler: Ozymandias is crushed by Nite-Owl's ship and bleeds to death. His body is then set aflame by the ship's afterburners as it leaves Karnak.]]

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** *** Sam Hamm version: [[spoiler: Ozymandias is vaporized, leaving only a pair of boots behind.]]
** *** David Hayter version: [[spoiler: Nite-Owl stabs and kills him with his "owlrang".]]
** *** Alex Tse version: [[spoiler: Ozymandias is crushed by Nite-Owl's ship and bleeds to death. His body is then set aflame by the ship's afterburners as it leaves Karnak.]]
9th Oct '17 10:03:44 AM BeastC
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* DearNegativeReader: If you hated the movie (especially before you've seen it), you can all [[MemeticMutation line up and suck Matthew Goode's dick because he doesn't give a fuck.]]
9th Oct '17 1:31:23 AM JulianLapostat
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* CreatorBacklash: Creator/AlanMoore does not like the idea of the ''[[{{Prequel}} Before Watchmen]]'' comics, and refused to read them or watch the film adaptation. Dave Gibbons, on the other hand, was more open to the idea of prequels, even wishing the new team of writers and artists well; however, he insists that to him, these aren't canon at all, but merely derivative work.

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* CreatorBacklash: Creator/AlanMoore does not like the idea of the ''[[{{Prequel}} Before Watchmen]]'' comics, and refused to read them or watch the film adaptation. Dave Gibbons, on the other hand, was more open to the idea of prequels, even wishing the new team of writers and artists well; however, he insists that to him, these aren't canon at all, but merely derivative work. [[http://screenrant.com/watchmen-sequel-doomsday-clock-dave-gibbons-not-intested/ Gibbons also states that he is utterly indifferent to]] ''ComicBook/DoomsdayClock'' and that he categorically will not read them and that the interviewer should consider himself lucky that he got more than a "No comment" out of him.
9th Oct '17 1:29:07 AM JulianLapostat
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* CommonKnowledge:
** It is common knowledge that ''Watchmen'' only exists because Moore couldn't do the story with Charlton Comics creations. In fact, as Moore pointed out, his original plan involved MLJ Heroes published by Archie Comics, with The Shield slated to be the murder victim that brings the heroes together. Moore turned to Charlton when DC didn't have the rights for the MLJ heroes, and the only reason Moore wanted to adapt previously existing characters was for similar reasons as ''ComicBook/{{Miracleman}}'' (namely that he wanted the characters, however obscure, to have a history and legacy that would make his treatment of them really tragic). Moore noted that once he started work on ''Watchmen'', he rapidly stepped away from the Charlton-MLJ-related concept.
** Likewise, it is common to assume that ''Watchmen'' killed off the goofier, more idealistic [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] type stories for some time, nevermind that the Silver Age was over for nearly ten years by that point. As critic Lance Parkin notes, it's actually closer in visual style to the Silver Age era than the GrimDark books that would follow. Furthermore, as successful as ''Watchmen'' was, it was not by any means the great blockbuster that people imagine it. It was outsold by Creator/JohnByrne's ''ComicBook/TheManOfSteel'' and not nearly as successful as ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns''. Something like ''ComicBook/ADeathInTheFamily'' and especially ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman'' probably had a bigger cultural and editorial impact on the darkening of comics than ''Watchmen'' did.
2nd Oct '17 9:54:31 AM DustSnitch
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!!Both
* IAmNotShazam: It's often thought that the second-generation supergroup is called "The Watchmen". They're not called anything because there isn't really a group. The second-generation group that Captain Metropolis ''tried'' to found would have been called "The Crimebusters". It ''is'' true in TheFilmOfTheBook, though.
* RealitySubtext: The sudden surge of superheroes during World War II, decline in the late 40s and 50s, and resurgence in the 60s was meant to reflect the fluctuating popularity of superhero comic books during the 20th century.




!!Both
* IAmNotShazam: It's often thought that the second-generation supergroup is called "The Watchmen". They're not called anything because there isn't really a group. The second-generation group that Captain Metropolis ''tried'' to found would have been called "The Crimebusters". It ''is'' true in TheFilmOfTheBook, though.
* RealitySubtext: The sudden surge of superheroes during World War II, decline in the late 40s and 50s, and resurgence in the 60s was meant to reflect the fluctuating popularity of superhero comic books during the 20th century.
9th Sep '17 2:08:00 AM JulianLapostat
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* CommonKnowledge:
** It is common knowledge that ''Watchmen'' only exists because Moore couldn't do the story with Charlton Comics creations. In fact, as Moore pointed out, his original plan involved MLJ Heroes published by Archie Comics, with The Shield slated to be the murder victim that brings the heroes together. Moore turned to Charlton when DC didn't have the rights for the MLJ heroes, and the only reason Moore wanted to adapt previously existing characters was for similar reasons as ''ComicBook/{{Miracleman}}'' (namely that he wanted the characters, however obscure, to have a history and legacy that would make his treatment of them really tragic). Moore noted that once he started work on ''Watchmen'', he rapidly stepped away from the Charlton-MLJ-related concept.
** Likewise, it is common to assume that ''Watchmen'' killed off the goofier, more idealistic [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] type stories for some time, nevermind that the Silver Age was over for nearly ten years by that point. As critic Lance Parkin notes, it's actually closer in visual style to the Silver Age era than the GrimDark books that would follow. Furthermore, as successful as ''Watchmen'' was, it was not by any means the great blockbuster that people imagine it. It was outsold by Creator/JohnByrne's ''ComicBook/TheManOfSteel'' and not nearly as successful as ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns''. Something like ''ComicBook/ADeathInTheFamily'' and especially ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman'' probably had a bigger cultural and editorial impact on the darkening of comics than ''Watchmen'' did.



* DoingItForTheArt: The endless subtle hints and foreshadowing, or minor connections within the ChekhovsArmy that one can find during the second read through can ''not'' be a coincidence. There are also the ''very'' detailed instructions Moore gave to the artist.

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* DoingItForTheArt: DoingItForTheArt:
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The endless subtle hints and foreshadowing, or minor connections within the ChekhovsArmy that one can find during the second read through can ''not'' be a coincidence. There are also the ''very'' detailed instructions Moore gave to the artist.



* FollowTheLeader: It and ''Dark Knight Returns'' singlehandedly ushered in UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks.
* GenreKiller: It is perceived as killing off the goofier, more idealistic [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] type stories for some time, even if, as critic Lance Parkin notes, that it's actually closer in visual style to that era than the GrimDark books that would follow.
** Nevermind that the Silver Age was over for nearly ten years by that point.

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* FollowTheLeader: It and ''Dark Knight Returns'' singlehandedly ushered is credited with ushering in UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks.
* GenreKiller: It is perceived as killing off
UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks and the goofier, more idealistic [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] type stories for some time, even if, as critic Lance Parkin notes, that it's actually closer in visual style to that era than the GrimDark books that would follow.
** Nevermind that the Silver Age was over for nearly ten years by that point.
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Rorschach's original costume was a form-fitting white full-body leotard with his inkblot patterns all over it. Later they threw the hat and coat on him to better resemble the Question (which had the unfortunate effect of making him look like a tattooed albino flasher) and finally dressed him up completely, leaving only the mask with the inkblots.
** The story was originally meant to star the heroes of Charlton Comics that DC Comics had recently bought - ComicBook/CaptainAtom, the ComicBook/BlueBeetle, ComicBook/TheQuestion, etc. - but Alan Moore's story didn't mesh with DC's plans to integrate them into the revamped DCU that would follow ''Crisis on Infinite Earths'', so he created a bunch of expies that are now arguably more famous than the characters who inspired them.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: WhatCouldHaveBeen:
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Rorschach's original costume was a form-fitting white full-body leotard with his inkblot patterns all over it. Later they threw the hat and coat on him to better resemble the Question (which had the unfortunate effect of making him look like a tattooed albino flasher) and finally dressed him up completely, leaving only the mask with the inkblots.
** The story was originally meant to star the heroes of the now-forgotten MLJ Comics stable, but when Moore realized he didn't have the rights to MLJ, he turned to Charlton Comics that DC Comics had recently bought - ComicBook/CaptainAtom, --ComicBook/CaptainAtom, the ComicBook/BlueBeetle, ComicBook/TheQuestion, etc. - etc -- but Alan Moore's story didn't mesh with DC's plans to integrate them into the revamped DCU that would follow ''Crisis on Infinite Earths'', so he created a bunch of expies AlternateCompanyEquivalent that are now arguably more famous than the characters who inspired them.
** At the time they were promoting Watchmen, Moore and Gibbons discussed a potential prequel idea around the ''Minutemen'' days, albeit insisting they weren't interested in any sequel of the comic, nor were they interested in other ideas floated to them by DC (such as comics focused on the Comedian in the Vietnam). Moore later said that had DC not stiffed him and Dave Gibbons, he ''might'' have eventually come around to work on Minutemen, which in any case would have been highly different from the series put out in ''ComicBook/BeforeWatchmen'' decades later.
10th Jun '17 10:51:51 AM nombretomado
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* NamesTheSame: The second season of ''TheWire'' also features a company called "Pyramid Delivery". In both works, the company turns out to be a front set up by the BigBad ([[spoiler: Adrian Veidt]] and The Greek, respectively).

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* NamesTheSame: The second season of ''TheWire'' ''Series/TheWire'' also features a company called "Pyramid Delivery". In both works, the company turns out to be a front set up by the BigBad ([[spoiler: Adrian Veidt]] and The Greek, respectively).
29th May '17 11:37:36 AM JulianLapostat
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* DisownedAdaptation: Zack Snyder once said that the best-case scenario of ever getting Alan Moore to watch his movie was that there might come one odd day where Moore accidentally puts the DVD into his player and turns it off after a second. Moore replied to this by saying Snyder was giving the movie too much credit.

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* DisownedAdaptation: Zack Snyder once said that the best-case scenario of ever getting Alan Moore to watch his movie was that there might come one odd day where Moore accidentally puts the DVD into his player in his home in London and turns it off after a second. Moore replied to this by saying Snyder was giving the movie too much credit.mocking Snyder's BritainIsOnlyLondon attitude (he's been living in Northampton for most of his life).
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