History Trivia / TheThiefAndTheCobbler

28th Jul '16 5:55:19 PM jameygamer
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* DuelingMovies: With Disney's ''Disney/{{Aladdin}}''. Considering that this movie had been in production approximately 24 years before ''Aladdin'' had been conceived, not to mention many themes and ideas borrowed from Williams's film, this has not been without controversy.

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* DuelingMovies: With Disney's ''Disney/{{Aladdin}}''. ''Disney/{{Aladdin}}'' [[note]] This film had a '''considerably''' shorter timetable to completion even with a ResetButton forced on it by Jeffrey Katzenberg 18 months before release, and them managed to reach video as a WaltDisneyHomeVideo/WaltDisneyClassics title at about the time ''The Thief and the Cobbler's'' Miramax cut hit theaters. [[/note]] Considering that this movie had been in production approximately 24 years before ''Aladdin'' had been conceived, not to mention many themes and ideas borrowed from Williams's film, this has not been without controversy.
28th Jul '16 5:49:58 PM jameygamer
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* BoxOfficeBomb: The original version that was cobbled together from Richard's work and Creator/{{Miramax}}'s meddling couldn't even reach a million dollars in sales. The movie cost $28,000,000 to produce.

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* BoxOfficeBomb: The original version that was cobbled together from Richard's work and Creator/{{Miramax}}'s Creator/MiramaxFilms's meddling couldn't even reach a million dollars in sales. The movie cost $28,000,000 to produce.
28th Jul '16 5:49:39 PM jameygamer
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* BoxOfficeBomb: The original version that was cobbled together from Richard's work and creator/{{Miramax}}'s meddling couldn't even reach a million dollars in sales. The movie cost $28,000,000 to produce.

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* BoxOfficeBomb: The original version that was cobbled together from Richard's work and creator/{{Miramax}}'s Creator/{{Miramax}}'s meddling couldn't even reach a million dollars in sales. The movie cost $28,000,000 to produce.
17th Apr '16 2:56:43 PM TheOneWhoTropes
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* HeyItsThatVoice!: Creator/VincentPrice is the voice of the Vizier.
** [[spoiler: SeanConnery is the voice of Tack at the end of the Recobbled cut.]]
** And in the Miramax cut, Matthew Broderick is Tack sounding a lot like [[Disney/TheLionKing a certain "King."]]
** The Majestic Films cut uses Creator/MonaMarshall for some of the nanny's lines.
** When the Thief gets a voice in the Miramax dub, all of his thoughts are voiced ala Garfield by Creator/JonathanWinters.
24th Mar '16 4:50:15 PM dieseldragons
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* AcclaimedFlop: The "re-cobbled" version. Its a work of art anyone can appreciate, and beloved by animation critics.
24th Mar '16 4:46:16 PM dieseldragons
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** Which makes it all the more ''devastating and soul-destroying'' to see the end executive meddling theatrical result. Needless to say, Williams does not ever talk about his magnum opus to anyone ever again. ''And we honestly can't blame him.'' Anyone who does five minutes of research on this life-long project will feel his pain and sympathize.
12th Mar '16 10:55:31 AM MarkLungo
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** [[NoteworthyDisneyStaff Art Babbitt]], responsible for Zeus and the Chinese mushrooms in ''Disney/{{Fantasia}}'', and infamous for organizing the 1941 strike against Creator/WaltDisney. For ''Thief'' he drew King Nod and the vulture Phido.

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** [[NoteworthyDisneyStaff [[UsefulNotes/NoteworthyDisneyStaff Art Babbitt]], responsible for Zeus and the Chinese mushrooms in ''Disney/{{Fantasia}}'', and infamous for organizing the 1941 strike against Creator/WaltDisney. For ''Thief'' he drew King Nod and the vulture Phido.
12th Mar '16 10:06:56 AM MarkLungo
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* AllStarCast: Richard went to great lengths to secure not only the greatest voice cast of all time for a cartoon (Vincent Price, Donald Pleasance, Anthony Quayle to name a few, [[spoiler:even SeanConnery has a role as the voice of Tack]]) but also the greatest team of animators:

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* AllStarCast: Richard went to great lengths to secure not only the greatest voice cast of all time for a cartoon (Vincent Price, Donald Pleasance, (Creator/VincentPrice, Creator/DonaldPleasance, Anthony Quayle to name a few, [[spoiler:even SeanConnery Creator/SeanConnery has a role as the voice of Tack]]) but also the greatest team of animators:



** [[NoteworthyLooneyTunesStaff Ken Harris]], number one animator in the Chuck Jones unit [[WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes during production on the original golden-era batch of Warner Brothers cartoons]]. Ken's animation of the Thief is similar to his work on Wile E. Coyote.

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** [[NoteworthyLooneyTunesStaff [[UsefulNotes/NoteworthyLooneyTunesStaff Ken Harris]], number one animator in the Chuck Jones unit [[WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes during production on the original golden-era batch of Warner Brothers cartoons]]. Ken's animation of the Thief is similar to his work on Wile E. Coyote.



* BoxOfficeBomb: The original version that was cobbled together from Richard's work and Miramax's meddling couldn't even reach a million dollars in sales. The movie cost $28,000,000 to produce.
* CreatorBacklash: The amount of meddling the film received just before it was completed devastated Richard Williams so much, that for years he absolutely refused to talk about the film to ''anyone'', and refused to take part in the Recobbled Cut restorations of the film, since he just wanted to move on from it at that time[[note]]During a tour for his famed lecture series, he hired ''security guards'' to personally exhume anyone who '''''dared''''' ask him about it.[[/note]]. However, he said writing ''Literature/TheAnimatorsSurvivalKit'' allowed him to make peace with the films troubled history (the book itself avoids directly mentioning the film, [[BroadStrokes but makes two subtle allusions to it]], even reusing a scene of animation from it), and on Dec. 10th 2013, he theatrically screened his own directors cut of ''Thief'', saying he was finally satisfied with the film.

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* BoxOfficeBomb: The original version that was cobbled together from Richard's work and Miramax's creator/{{Miramax}}'s meddling couldn't even reach a million dollars in sales. The movie cost $28,000,000 to produce.
* CreatorBacklash: The amount of meddling the film received just before it was completed devastated Richard Williams so much, that for years he absolutely refused to talk about the film to ''anyone'', and refused to take part in the Recobbled Cut restorations of the film, since he just wanted to move on from it at that time[[note]]During a tour for his famed lecture series, he hired ''security guards'' to personally exhume anyone who '''''dared''''' ask him about it.[[/note]]. However, he said writing ''Literature/TheAnimatorsSurvivalKit'' allowed him to make peace with the films film's troubled history (the book itself avoids directly mentioning the film, [[BroadStrokes but makes two subtle allusions to it]], even reusing a scene of animation from it), and on Dec. 10th 2013, he theatrically screened his own directors cut of ''Thief'', saying he was finally satisfied with the film.



* DevelopmentHell: The longest and, arguably, most difficult example in cinematic history. Richard Williams spent about '''three decades''' on this film, using money earned from various short films and advertisements. At one point a Saudi-Arabian prince became interested and funded ten minutes (the warmachine scene) as a test. [[VisualEffectsOfAwesome The results were awesome.]] Sadly the prince was scared away by missed deadlines and budget overruns. The project returned to its slow pace, until Williams gained funding from WarnerBros after his success on ''Film/WhoFramedRogerRabbit'' under the agreement that the film be completed for a specific date and amount of money. About half of the completed scenes were made during this period. Unfortunately, Williams perfectionism caused him to miss the deadline and, fifteen minutes shy of completion, was fired by the completion bond company and replaced with [[LimitedAnimation low-budget animator]] Fred Calvert, resulting in a great amount of OffModel animation and {{Disneyfication}}.

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* DevelopmentHell: The longest and, arguably, most difficult example in cinematic history. Richard Williams spent about '''three decades''' on this film, using money earned from various short films and advertisements. At one point a Saudi-Arabian prince became interested and funded ten minutes (the warmachine war machine scene) as a test. [[VisualEffectsOfAwesome The results were awesome.]] Sadly Sadly, the prince was scared away by missed deadlines and budget overruns. The project returned to its slow pace, until Williams gained funding from WarnerBros Creator/WarnerBros after his success on ''Film/WhoFramedRogerRabbit'' under the agreement that the film be completed for a specific date and amount of money. About half of the completed scenes were made during this period. Unfortunately, Williams Williams' perfectionism caused him to miss the deadline and, fifteen minutes shy of completion, was fired by the completion bond company and replaced with [[LimitedAnimation low-budget animator]] Fred Calvert, resulting in a great amount of OffModel animation and {{Disneyfication}}.
7th Feb '16 8:54:09 AM Freshmeat
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* MagnumOpus: Richard Williams referred to this as such repeatedly during its production. Unfortunately, what [[ScrewedByTheNetwork followed]] led to it being an OldShame for him instead, at least until recent years, while the Magnum Opus title went to ''Film/WhoFramedRogerRabbit.''
22nd Jan '16 12:29:30 AM jameygamer
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* WorkingTitle: Before becoming ''The Thief And The Cobbler'', the film had such titles as "''The Thief Who Never Gave up''", "''Once...''", simply "''The Thief''", or the [[SarcasmMode wildly different and creative]] "''The Cobbler And The Thief''". The film was released after ExecutiveMeddling under two names, "''The Princess And The Cobbler''" and the punny "''Arabian Knight''", before being released on VHS as "''The Thief And The Cobbler''".

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* WorkingTitle: Before becoming ''The Thief And The Cobbler'', the film had such titles as "''The Thief Who Never Gave up''", "''Once...''", simply "''The Thief''", or the [[SarcasmMode wildly different and creative]] "''The Cobbler And The Thief''". The film was released after ExecutiveMeddling under two names, "''The Princess And The Cobbler''" and the punny "''Arabian Knight''", before being released on VHS [[Creator/WaltDisneyHomeVideo VHS]] by Creator/{{Disney}}/Miramax as "''The Thief And The Cobbler''".
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