History Trivia / TheThiefAndTheCobbler

17th Nov '17 10:39:03 PM dsneybuf
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* MissingEpisode: The rights were bought out by The Completion Bond Company with 15 mins. of the film incomplete after Williams' bond-holder demanded a halt to production. Disney had a competing production, ''Disney/{{Aladdin}}'' in the works, so the remains of the film were farmed out to [[TheMockbuster a third-rate overseas studio]] and released in a handful of theaters [[note]] Bonus points for ''Aladdin'' finishing production before ''Thief'', running in theaters to the tune of $200 million, and then moving on to the ''[[Creator/WaltDisneyHomeVideo Walt Disney Classics]]'' VHS/Laserdisc series by the time ''Thief'' was "finished" (''Aladdin'' was already in the Disney Vault by the time ''Thief'' made it into American cinemas)[[/note]].

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* MissingEpisode: The rights were bought out by The Completion Bond Company with 15 mins. of the film incomplete after Williams' bond-holder demanded a halt to production. Disney had a competing production, ''Disney/{{Aladdin}}'' in the works, so the remains of the film were farmed out to [[TheMockbuster a third-rate overseas studio]] and released in a handful of theaters [[note]] Bonus points for ''Aladdin'' finishing production before ''Thief'', running in theaters to the tune of $200 million, and then moving on to the ''[[Creator/WaltDisneyHomeVideo Walt Disney Classics]]'' VHS/Laserdisc series VHS and Laserdisc by the time ''Thief'' was "finished" "finished". (''Aladdin'' was already in moved into the Disney Vault by the time ''Thief'' made it into American cinemas)[[/note]].



* WorkingTitle: Before becoming ''The Thief And The Cobbler'', the film had such titles as "''The Thief Who Never Gave up''", "''Once...''", simply "''The Thief''", or the [[SarcasmMode wildly different and creative]] "''The Cobbler And The Thief''". The film was released after ExecutiveMeddling under two names, "''The Princess And The Cobbler''" and the punny "''Arabian Knight''", before being released on [[Creator/WaltDisneyHomeVideo VHS]] by Creator/{{Disney}}/Miramax as "''The Thief And The Cobbler''".

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* WorkingTitle: Before becoming ''The Thief And The Cobbler'', the film had such titles as "''The Thief Who Never Gave up''", "''Once...''", simply "''The Thief''", or the [[SarcasmMode wildly different and creative]] "''The Cobbler And The Thief''". The film was released after ExecutiveMeddling under two names, "''The Princess And The Cobbler''" and the punny "''Arabian Knight''", before being released on [[Creator/WaltDisneyHomeVideo VHS]] VHS by Creator/{{Disney}}/Miramax as "''The Thief And The Cobbler''".
4th Nov '17 8:13:09 AM ClintEastwood
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* MagnumOpusDissonance: This was the 30-year labor of love of Creator/RichardWilliams, better known for ''Film/WhoFramedRogerRabbit''. Sadly, the copious ExecutiveMeddling that the project received caused him to disown the film, ''including'' the highly praised Recobbled Cut.



* TheOtherDarrin: Tack is voiced by Steve Lively in the Majestic Films cut, and Matthew Broderick in the Miramax one (but only for speaking).
* TheOtherMarty: Almost all of the original voice cast carefully selected by Williams were replaced once Fred Calvert took over. Most of the scenes had already been animated to the old voices, but were redubbed anyway. A little bit of Anthony Quayle survived in the finished versions, notably in the scene where he gives a speech to his subjects; some of Creator/JoanSims as the Witch also remains. Some notable actors who thankfully ''weren't'' dubbed over include Vincent Price as Zigzag and Windsor Davies as Chief Roofless.

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* TheOtherDarrin: Tack is voiced by Steve Lively in the Majestic Films cut, and Matthew Broderick Creator/MatthewBroderick in the Miramax one (but only for speaking).
* TheOtherMarty: Almost all of the original voice cast carefully selected by Williams were replaced once Fred Calvert took over. Most of the scenes had already been animated to the old voices, but were redubbed anyway. A little bit of Anthony Quayle survived in the finished versions, notably in the scene where he gives a speech to his subjects; some of Creator/JoanSims as the Witch also remains. Some notable actors who thankfully ''weren't'' dubbed over include Vincent Price Creator/VincentPrice as Zigzag and Windsor Davies as Chief Roofless.



* ShoutOut: Several. For instance, Princess Yum Yum is named after ''Theatre/TheMikado''[='s=] main female character of the same name.

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* ShoutOut: Several. For instance, Princess Yum Yum is named after ''Theatre/TheMikado''[='s=] main female character SavedFromDevelopmentHell: The film languished in production for decades, with Williams steadfastly refusing to give up on it. In fact, pretty much every job he took in the interim was done purely for the money so he could continue working on his [[DoingItForTheArt labor of love]] (which certainly explains the likes of ''WesternAnimation/RaggedyAnnAndAndyAMusicalAdventure''). By the time the film was finally released in a severely compromised form in 1995, the hero had several lines and Price had been dead for two years. Fortunately, there now exists a fan-created version of the same name.film, which uses both footage from the compromised release as well as the animators' own rough animation tests, to better suit the original vision of the story.
12th Jul '17 6:25:30 PM Qaweldon
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* NoBudget: The film started out as a budget title about Nasruddin before it entered into a thirty year DevelopmentHell. By the time the movie was released the budget had ballooned up to $28 million.
14th Feb '17 8:20:03 AM dsneybuf
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* DuelingMovies: With Disney's ''Disney/{{Aladdin}}'' [[note]] This film had a '''considerably''' shorter timetable to completion even with a ResetButton forced on it by Jeffrey Katzenberg 18 months before release, and them managed to reach video as a WaltDisneyHomeVideo/WaltDisneyClassics title at about the time ''The Thief and the Cobbler's'' Miramax cut hit theaters. [[/note]] Considering that this movie had been in production approximately 24 years before ''Aladdin'' had been conceived, not to mention many themes and ideas borrowed from Williams's film, this has not been without controversy, though Williams himself said he never really minded.

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* DuelingMovies: With Disney's ''Disney/{{Aladdin}}'' [[note]] This film had a '''considerably''' shorter timetable to completion completion, even with a ResetButton forced on it by Jeffrey Katzenberg 18 months before release, and them then managed to reach video as a WaltDisneyHomeVideo/WaltDisneyClassics title at about the time ''The Thief and the Cobbler's'' Miramax cut hit theaters. [[/note]] Considering that this movie had been in production approximately 24 years before ''Aladdin'' had been conceived, not to mention many themes and ideas borrowed from Williams's film, this has not been without controversy, though Williams himself said he never really minded.
3rd Jan '17 5:23:39 PM rjd1922
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* LostForever: When asked about it, Richard said that ''Thief'' would be impossible to finish today; while he could have the actual remaining animation done in a year, all of the original artwork and film materials for the film are scattered and lost, and it would be unfeasible to track all of it down. And even if that weren't a problem, legal issues involving the film elements would keep a finished version of it from being released anyway. Therefore, Thief will always remain "unfinished", and Willaims says he's satisfied with the work print edit as it is, and has moved on to making other personal projects.
20th Dec '16 12:40:18 PM rjd1922
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* NoExportForYou: The film has officially been released only in North America and UsefulNotes/{{Australia}}.

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* NoExportForYou: The film has officially been released only in North America America, UsefulNotes/{{Australia}}, and UsefulNotes/{{Australia}}.UsefulNotes/SouthAfrica.
20th Dec '16 12:34:33 PM rjd1922
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* ShoutOut: Several. For instance, Princess Yum Yum is named after ''Theatre/TheMikado''[=]'s main female character of the same name.

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* ShoutOut: Several. For instance, Princess Yum Yum is named after ''Theatre/TheMikado''[=]'s ''Theatre/TheMikado''[='s=] main female character of the same name.
5th Dec '16 12:00:52 PM ScroogeMacDuck
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* ShoutOut: Several. For instance, Princess Yum Yum is named after ''Theatre/TheMikado''[=]'s main female character of the same name.



** Early on, in the sixties, the film was supposed to be about Mullah Nasruddin. The idea had to be dropped because of disagreements of the rights to the character. Many of the supporting characters were taken from the Nasruddin film.

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** Early on, in the sixties, the film was supposed to be about the tricky Arabian folk tale character Mullah Nasruddin. The idea had to be dropped because of disagreements of the rights to the character. Many of the supporting characters were taken from the Nasruddin film.
26th Nov '16 2:20:09 PM NWolfman
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* DuelingMovies: With Disney's ''Disney/{{Aladdin}}'' [[note]] This film had a '''considerably''' shorter timetable to completion even with a ResetButton forced on it by Jeffrey Katzenberg 18 months before release, and them managed to reach video as a WaltDisneyHomeVideo/WaltDisneyClassics title at about the time ''The Thief and the Cobbler's'' Miramax cut hit theaters. [[/note]] Considering that this movie had been in production approximately 24 years before ''Aladdin'' had been conceived, not to mention many themes and ideas borrowed from Williams's film, this has not been without controversy.

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* DuelingMovies: With Disney's ''Disney/{{Aladdin}}'' [[note]] This film had a '''considerably''' shorter timetable to completion even with a ResetButton forced on it by Jeffrey Katzenberg 18 months before release, and them managed to reach video as a WaltDisneyHomeVideo/WaltDisneyClassics title at about the time ''The Thief and the Cobbler's'' Miramax cut hit theaters. [[/note]] Considering that this movie had been in production approximately 24 years before ''Aladdin'' had been conceived, not to mention many themes and ideas borrowed from Williams's film, this has not been without controversy.controversy, though Williams himself said he never really minded.
24th Nov '16 3:25:13 AM Morgenthaler
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* TheOtherMarty: Almost all of the original voice cast carefully selected by Williams were replaced once Fred Calvert took over. Most of the scenes had already been animated to the old voices, but were redubbed anyway. A little bit of Anthony Quayle survived in the finished versions, notably in the scene where he gives a speech to his subjects; some of JoanSims as the Witch also remains. Some notable actors who thankfully ''weren't'' dubbed over include Vincent Price as Zigzag and Windsor Davies as Chief Roofless.

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* TheOtherMarty: Almost all of the original voice cast carefully selected by Williams were replaced once Fred Calvert took over. Most of the scenes had already been animated to the old voices, but were redubbed anyway. A little bit of Anthony Quayle survived in the finished versions, notably in the scene where he gives a speech to his subjects; some of JoanSims Creator/JoanSims as the Witch also remains. Some notable actors who thankfully ''weren't'' dubbed over include Vincent Price as Zigzag and Windsor Davies as Chief Roofless.
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