History Trivia / TheRoadToElDorado

26th Jun '17 10:58:55 PM Clamanath
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* TroubledProduction: As mentioned above, both director Will Finn and a handful of animators have unkind memories of this film, full of stubborn executives and a script they hated. Finn returned to Disney before the movie was even finished. * UrbanLegendOfZelda: There's a rumor that in the original script, there were strong hints that Miguel and Tulio were a gay couple and ExecutiveMeddling resulted in hints of homosexuality being removed and Chel being added, but the fact that Chel is included in rough model sheets and early test footage has debunked this rumor.

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* TroubledProduction: As mentioned above, both director Will Finn and a handful of animators have unkind memories of this film, full of stubborn executives and a script they hated. Finn returned to Disney before the movie was even finished.
* UrbanLegendOfZelda: There's a rumor that in the original script, there were strong hints that Miguel and Tulio were a gay couple and ExecutiveMeddling resulted in hints of homosexuality being removed and Chel being added, but the fact that Chel is included in rough model sheets and early test footage has debunked this rumor.
25th Jun '17 9:15:07 AM Prinzenick
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* TroubledProduction: As mentioned above, both director Will Finn and a handful of animators have unkind memories of this film, full of stubborn executives and a script they hated. Finn returned to Disney before the movie was even finished. Then there was the matter, as detailed below, of reworking the story very late in production to remove any indication that Miguel and Tulio were a gay couple (which they originally were) resulting in Chel being rush-animated in.

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* TroubledProduction: As mentioned above, both director Will Finn and a handful of animators have unkind memories of this film, full of stubborn executives and a script they hated. Finn returned to Disney before the movie was even finished. Then * UrbanLegendOfZelda: There's a rumor that in the original script, there was the matter, as detailed below, of reworking the story very late in production to remove any indication were strong hints that Miguel and Tulio were a gay couple (which they originally were) resulting and ExecutiveMeddling resulted in hints of homosexuality being removed and Chel being rush-animated in.added, but the fact that Chel is included in rough model sheets and early test footage has debunked this rumor.



** Tulio and Miguel were originally going to be a gay couple. "Suits" intervened, resulting in Chel's character, and it's rather obvious how she was shoehorned in. All of their homoerotic interactions and jokes? Originally, they were decidedly ''not'' jokes. It also explains why Chel actually has very little to the story, and in some scenes her shading doesn't even match up, indicating how late in the production she was added.
15th Jun '17 3:15:56 PM Prinzenick
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** Kevin Koch, an assistant animator on Chel's character, mentioned on his Synchro Lux blog that he had mixed feelings about the final film, particularly that the films direction was unfocused due to a case of it having too many cooks in the kitchen.

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** Kevin Koch, an assistant animator on Chel's character, mentioned on his Synchro Lux blog that he had mixed feelings about the final film, particularly that the films direction was unfocused [[TooManyCooksSpoilTheSoup due to a case of it having too many cooks in the kitchen.]]
15th Jun '17 3:14:34 PM Prinzenick
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** Kevin Koch, an assistant animator on Chel's character, mentioned on his Synchro Lux blog that he had mixed feelings about the final film.

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** Kevin Koch, an assistant animator on Chel's character, mentioned on his Synchro Lux blog that he had mixed feelings about the final film.film, particularly that the films direction was unfocused due to a case of it having too many cooks in the kitchen.
14th Jun '17 10:30:30 PM Prinzenick
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** Kevin Koch, an assistant animator on Chel's character, mentioned on his Synchro Lox blog that he had mixed feelings about the final film.

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** Kevin Koch, an assistant animator on Chel's character, mentioned on his Synchro Lox Lux blog that he had mixed feelings about the final film.
14th Jun '17 10:30:04 PM Prinzenick
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->"For me there were two major problems with The Road to El Dorado. First, it was a period piece set in South America ó I thought at the time that that combination would be box office poison. There are certain settings and time periods that I donít think modern audiences are interested in, even if the film is fantastic. Second, the film didnít know what it wanted to be. Buddy movie? Action adventure? Romantic comedy? Musical? Historical tragedy? Romance? For adults? For kids? I think the project was like the proverbial elephant being examined by the blind scientists. Different directors, writers, and producers all tried to make different movies, and it ended up a mish-mash."

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->"For -->"For me there were two major problems with The Road to El Dorado. First, it was a period piece set in South America ó I thought at the time that that combination would be box office poison. There are certain settings and time periods that I donít think modern audiences are interested in, even if the film is fantastic. Second, the film didnít know what it wanted to be. Buddy movie? Action adventure? Romantic comedy? Musical? Historical tragedy? Romance? For adults? For kids? I think the project was like the proverbial elephant being examined by the blind scientists. Different directors, writers, and producers all tried to make different movies, and it ended up a mish-mash."
14th Jun '17 10:29:36 PM Prinzenick
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** Kevin Koch, an assistant animator on Chel's character, mentioned on his Synchro Lox blog that he had mixed feelings about the final film.
->"For me there were two major problems with The Road to El Dorado. First, it was a period piece set in South America ó I thought at the time that that combination would be box office poison. There are certain settings and time periods that I donít think modern audiences are interested in, even if the film is fantastic. Second, the film didnít know what it wanted to be. Buddy movie? Action adventure? Romantic comedy? Musical? Historical tragedy? Romance? For adults? For kids? I think the project was like the proverbial elephant being examined by the blind scientists. Different directors, writers, and producers all tried to make different movies, and it ended up a mish-mash."
2nd Jun '17 10:13:27 PM Az_Tech341
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** Animator Will Finn, who directed a bulk of the film has spoken at length about how much he hated making this film, and that he still has nightmares about it to this day. He hated the script and brought it to writer David Swift in the hopes of punching it up, later admitting that he agreed with Swift when he said "You're never going to make a good movie with shit like this for writing!" He fought tooth and nail to keep the game sequence in the film because it was one of the few actual references to something indigenous of pre-colonial Latin America, and the higher-ups could give him no rational reason as to why the wanted it taken out. He [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere jumped ship late in production to return to Disney]] and had his name removed from the credits, leaving Don Paul and Eric "Bibo" Bergeron (and even an uncredited Jeff Katzenberg) to finish the job.
-->"Great crew - fantastic dedication of talented people but a doomed mess from concept on. I "directed" on it for almost 3 years but resigned ultimately. The movie has its moments but as a piece of entertainment it's [[SoOkayItsAverage utterly innocuous and forgettable]]. Yet unless you were there, you'd never know the sheer madness and bloodbath it was to make. If they made a movie of the making of it it would be a cross between ''Film/MutinyOnTheBounty'' and ''Film/TheProducers!''"

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** Animator Will Finn, who directed a bulk of the film film, has spoken at length about how much he hated making this film, film and that he still has nightmares about it to this day. He hated the script and brought it to writer David Swift in the hopes of punching it up, later admitting that he agreed with Swift when he said said, "You're never going to make a good movie with shit like this for writing!" writing!". He fought tooth and nail to keep the game sequence in the film because it was one of the few actual references to something indigenous of pre-colonial Latin America, and the higher-ups could give him no rational reason as to why the they wanted it taken out.removed. He [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere jumped ship late in production to return to Disney]] and had his name removed from the credits, leaving Don Paul and Eric "Bibo" Bergeron (and even an uncredited Jeff Katzenberg) to finish the job.
-->"Great crew - fantastic dedication of talented people but a doomed mess from concept on. I "directed" on it for almost 3 years but resigned ultimately. The movie has its moments but as a piece of entertainment it's [[SoOkayItsAverage utterly innocuous and forgettable]]. Yet unless you were there, there you'd never know the sheer madness and bloodbath it was to make. If they made a movie of the making of it it would be a cross between ''Film/MutinyOnTheBounty'' and ''Film/TheProducers!''"



* CreatorKiller: After previously composing the ''Disney/TheLionKing'', the disappointing performing of this film botched the collaboration of composer Elton John and lyricist Tim Rice. They have not collaborated on any film since, and have mainly stuck to theatre. In addition, this was the first in the set of dominoes that made Dreamworks give up on hand-drawn animation until 2015 starting with [[WesternAnimation/DawnOfTheCroods Dawn of the Croods]].

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* CreatorKiller: After previously composing the ''Disney/TheLionKing'', the disappointing performing of this film botched the collaboration of composer Elton John Creator/EltonJohn and lyricist Tim Rice. They have not collaborated on any film since, and have mainly stuck to theatre. In addition, this was the first in the set of dominoes that made Dreamworks give up on hand-drawn animation until 2015 2015, starting with [[WesternAnimation/DawnOfTheCroods Dawn of the Croods]].
2nd Jun '17 10:02:03 PM Az_Tech341
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* BoxOfficeBomb: Dreamworks' first. Budget, $95 million. Box office, $76,432,727.

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* BoxOfficeBomb: Dreamworks' first. Budget, Budget: $95 million. Box office, office: $76,432,727.
13th Apr '17 10:18:14 PM UnwieldyPup
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* CreatorKiller: After previously composing the ''Disney/TheLionKing'', the disappointing performing of this film botched the collaboration of composer Elton John and lyricist Tim Rice. They have not collaborated on any film since, and have mainly stuck to theatre. In addition, this was the first in the set of dominoes that made Dreamworks give up on hand-drawn animation until 2015 starting with [[Western Animation/DawnOfTheCroods Dawn of the Croods]].

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* CreatorKiller: After previously composing the ''Disney/TheLionKing'', the disappointing performing of this film botched the collaboration of composer Elton John and lyricist Tim Rice. They have not collaborated on any film since, and have mainly stuck to theatre. In addition, this was the first in the set of dominoes that made Dreamworks give up on hand-drawn animation until 2015 starting with [[Western Animation/DawnOfTheCroods [[WesternAnimation/DawnOfTheCroods Dawn of the Croods]].
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