History Trivia / TheRenAndStimpyShow

12th Jul '17 4:22:05 AM NWolfman
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* RealitySubtext: ''Ren and Stimpy'' premiered at the tail end of the AIDS epidemic, and American parents didn't appreciate that a show was indulging in children's love of bodily fluid jokes at a time when they they were afraid of them.

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* RealitySubtext: ''Ren and Stimpy'' premiered at the tail end of the AIDS epidemic, crisis, and a big part of it's controversy was American parents didn't appreciate that a not only finding the show was indulging in children's love disgusting but fearing the ramifications of children laughing at bodily fluid jokes fluids at a time when they they were most of the country was outwardly afraid of them.
12th Jul '17 4:17:56 AM NWolfman
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* RealitySubtext: ''Ren and Stimpy'' came about at the tail end of the AIDS epidemic, and part of it's controversy wasn't only that the gross-out jokes were... well, gross, but how America at the time was so terrified of bodily fluids as a result that angry fear was a common knee-jerk reaction. [[MST3KMantra That, and it knew that kids liked grossout jokes.]]

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* RealitySubtext: ''Ren and Stimpy'' came about premiered at the tail end of the AIDS epidemic, and part of it's controversy wasn't only American parents didn't appreciate that the gross-out jokes were... well, gross, but how America at the time a show was so terrified indulging in children's love of bodily fluids as fluid jokes at a result that angry fear was a common knee-jerk reaction. [[MST3KMantra That, and it knew that kids liked grossout jokes.]]time when they they were afraid of them.
21st May '17 10:19:12 AM nombretomado
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* EditedForSyndication: When R&S was rerun on VH1 and Spike TV, there were commercial fades in the middle of a cartoon, which disrupted the action. There were also time cuts in some episodes. Sadly, these are the versions which made it onto DVD.

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* EditedForSyndication: When R&S was rerun on VH1 Creator/VH1 and Spike TV, there were commercial fades in the middle of a cartoon, which disrupted the action. There were also time cuts in some episodes. Sadly, these are the versions which made it onto DVD.
20th May '17 2:28:59 PM cwf123
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** However, Stimpy was a playable character in 2007's Attack of the Toybots.
1st Apr '17 8:18:52 PM Upgrader
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** John K's firing is a controversial topic subject to much debate. For years, John K. claimed he was done in over content (specifically, in "Man's Best Friend") and portrayed himself as a martyr. But when APC was launched, former colleagues Billy West and Bill Wray came forward to call John K. out on lying and that his laziness was what really got him fired.
*** And speaking of the Adult Party Cartoon, another controversial topic is Spike TV's role in the revival's failure. Apparently, the execs were the ones who pushed John K to put in adult content, but then again, "Ren Seeks Help" [[http://johnkstuff.blogspot.mx/2006/06/apc-trailer-ren-seeks-help.html was written in 1991]]... It's entirely possible that Nick's meddling in back in the 90's was the only thing keeping John K from going completely overboard.

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** John K's firing is a controversial topic subject to much debate. For years, John K. claimed he was done in over content (specifically, in "Man's Best Friend") and portrayed himself as a martyr. But when APC was launched, former colleagues Billy West and Bill Wray came forward to call John K. out on lying and that his laziness was what really got him fired.
*** And speaking of
After the Adult Party Cartoon, another controversial topic is Spike TV's role in the revival's failure. Apparently, the execs were the ones who pushed John K to put in adult content, but then again, "Ren Seeks Help" [[http://johnkstuff.blogspot.mx/2006/06/apc-trailer-ren-seeks-help.html was written in 1991]]... It's [[GrossoutShow Adult]] [[UpToEleven Party]] [[AllAdultAnimationIsSouthPark Cartoon]]'s failure, this trope has more or less overturned, as some people believe it's entirely possible that Nick's meddling in back in the 90's was the only thing keeping John K K. from going completely overboard.



** Feuding between John K. and Nickelodeon over Schedule Slip and censorship came to a head in September '92, in the middle of the second season, when Nickelodeon fired John K. and took over production themselves via the in-house studio Games Animation. The exact circumstances of John K.'s firing are hotly debated to this day; John K. cites his refusal to censor "Man's Best Friend" as the final straw for Nick, while others blame the Schedule Slip. Regardless, this is the moment when many fans claim that the show took a notable downturn in quality, especially given that a good chunk of the staff left in protest at John K.'s firing. Ren & Stimpy finished its second season and ran for a total of three more before it was canceled at the end of 1995 (though one last episode aired on MTV the following year).
** Later on, in 2003, John K. relaunched the show as Ren & Stimpy's Adult Party Cartoon, part of an adult animation block on Spike TV. The show once more suffered from Schedule Slip, though the censorship fights at Nickelodeon were inverted at Spike TV; John K. maintains that Spike TV pressured him to turn up the adult content farther than he was willing to go. In any case, the show only lasted two months and seven episodes (the pilot being the previously-unaired "Man's Best Friend") before being canceled.

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** Feuding between John K. and Nickelodeon over Schedule Slip and censorship came to a head in September '92, in the middle of the second season, when Nickelodeon fired John K. and took over production themselves via the in-house studio Games Animation. The exact circumstances of John K.'s firing are hotly debated to this day; day. For years, John K. cites his refusal to censor claimed he was ultimately done in over content (specifically, in "Man's Best Friend" as the final straw for Nick, while Friend"), but others blame the Schedule Slip.claim it was because of his failure to meet deadlines and being very tough to work with. Regardless, this is the moment when many fans claim that the show took a notable downturn in quality, especially given that a good chunk of the staff left in protest at John K.'s firing. Ren & Stimpy finished its second season and ran for a total of three more before it was canceled at the end of 1995 (though one last episode aired on MTV the following year).
** Later on, in 2003, John K. relaunched the show as Ren & Stimpy's Adult Party Cartoon, part of an adult animation block on Spike TV. The show once more suffered from Schedule Slip, though This time though, the censorship fights at Nickelodeon were inverted at Spike TV; John K. maintains once claimed that Spike TV pressured him to turn up make the show have more adult content farther than themes included to compete with ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', but others claim that Spike execs actually left him do whatever he wanted, and the show's failure was willing simply because of John K's going overboard ([[http://johnkstuff.blogspot.mx/2006/06/apc-trailer-ren-seeks-help.html "Ren Seeks Help" was written in 1991]], and John actually wanted to go.do more episodes of the A.P.C.). In any case, the show only lasted two months and seven episodes (the pilot being the previously-unaired "Man's Best Friend") before being canceled.
29th Mar '17 10:15:06 AM speedyboris
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* DuelingWorks: The Games episode "Ren Needs Help!" versus the Adult Party Cartoon episode "Ren Seeks Help", both about similar subjects but executed ''very'' differently.
26th Mar '17 7:49:53 PM Upgrader
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* ExecutiveMeddling: Nickelodeon messed about with this show extensively due to censorship issues and John K's inability to make deadlines. The latter ending up being the final straw as he was ultimately fired for not getting the new episodes out on time .
** John K's firing is a controversial topic subject to much debate. For years, John K. claimed he was done in over content and portrayed himself as a martyr but when Adult Party was launched, former colleagues Billy West and Bill Wray came forward to call John K. out on lying and that his laziness was what really got him fired.
** Characterization also was affected, since John K. was allegedly asked to place more genuinely heartwarming moments in the series as well as make [[TheSociopath Ren]] [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold a more ultimately kind intentioned character]]. Ironically these elements were mostly depleted after John K. left.

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* ExecutiveMeddling: ExecutiveMeddling:
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Nickelodeon messed about with this show extensively due to many censorship issues and issues. John K's inability to make deadlines. The latter deadlines did not help relations between him and Nick, as that ending up being the final straw as he leading to Spumco's firing from the series.
*** Characterization also
was affected, since John K. allegedly made a deal for less censorship in exchange for placing more genuinely heartwarming moments in the series as well as make [[TheSociopath Ren]] [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold a more ultimately fired for not getting the new episodes out on time .
kind intentioned character]]. Ironically those elements were mostly depleted after John K. left.
** John K's firing is a controversial topic subject to much debate. For years, John K. claimed he was done in over content (specifically, in "Man's Best Friend") and portrayed himself as a martyr but martyr. But when Adult Party APC was launched, former colleagues Billy West and Bill Wray came forward to call John K. out on lying and that his laziness was what really got him fired.
** Characterization also was affected, since John K. was allegedly asked to place more genuinely heartwarming moments
fired.
*** And speaking of the Adult Party Cartoon, another controversial topic is Spike TV's role
in the series as well as make [[TheSociopath Ren]] [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold a more ultimately kind intentioned character]]. Ironically these elements revival's failure. Apparently, the execs were mostly depleted after the ones who pushed John K. left.K to put in adult content, but then again, "Ren Seeks Help" [[http://johnkstuff.blogspot.mx/2006/06/apc-trailer-ren-seeks-help.html was written in 1991]]... It's entirely possible that Nick's meddling in back in the 90's was the only thing keeping John K from going completely overboard.



* FranchiseKiller: The cancellation of ''Ren and Stimpy: Adult Party Cartoon'' put the kibosh on the franchise. In fact, ''Adult Party Cartoon'' was so bad that [[http://screenrant.com/nicktoons-movie-ren-stimpy/ Paramount doesn't want Ren and Stimpy included in their Nicktoons reboot]].

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* FranchiseKiller: The cancellation of ''Ren and Stimpy: Adult Party Cartoon'' put the kibosh on the franchise. In fact, ''Adult Party Cartoon'' was so bad that [[http://screenrant.com/nicktoons-movie-ren-stimpy/ Paramount doesn't want anything to do with Ren and Stimpy included in their Nicktoons reboot]].Stimpy]].



** Paramount treats ''Adult Party Cartoon'' this way due to killing the series stone dead and leaving it saddled with an adults only stigma. They let the DVD set fall out of print while keeping the main Ren and Stimpy DVDs in stores, and they have said they have no plans to ever revive ''Ren and Stimpy'' again because of APC's failure.

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** Paramount treats ''Adult Party Cartoon'' this way due to killing the series stone dead and leaving it saddled with an adults only stigma. They let the DVD set fall out of print while keeping the main Ren and Stimpy DVDs [=DVDs=] in stores, and they have said they have no plans to ever revive ''Ren and Stimpy'' again because of APC's failure.
22nd Mar '17 8:55:14 AM Prinzenick
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* AscendedMeme: [[DefiedTrope Defied.]] John K has stated on his Facebook that he refuses to draw commissions depicting Ren as [[Film/TheForceAwakens Kylo Ren]], due to both his hatred of ''Franchise/StarWars'' and the fact that he hasn't even seen the newer films. When a fan asked him for one, he refused--but he also felt bad for the fan, so he did a drawing of Ren and Stimpy as the [[Series/{{Batman}} 60's Batman and Robin]] [[PetTheDog to make up for it.]]
22nd Mar '17 8:46:03 AM Prinzenick
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* ExiledFromContinuity: Due to the infamous stigma left behind from ''Adult Party Cartoon'', Nickelodeon has stated that ''Ren and Stimpy'' will not be included in their reboots of the old Nicktoons lineup.



* OldShame: Katie Rice, with whom [[WhatCouldHaveBeen John was developing a project at the time]], was featured in [[http://i.imgur.com/2ldgxPW.jpg an incredibly awkward live-action segment]] on the DVD of Adult Party Cartoon, with John talking to her like a DirtyOldMan. After years of avoiding it, she finally watched it, then threw away the DVD the next day.

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* OldShame: OldShame:
** Paramount treats ''Adult Party Cartoon'' this way due to killing the series stone dead and leaving it saddled with an adults only stigma. They let the DVD set fall out of print while keeping the main Ren and Stimpy DVDs in stores, and they have said they have no plans to ever revive ''Ren and Stimpy'' again because of APC's failure.
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Katie Rice, with whom [[WhatCouldHaveBeen John was developing a project at the time]], was featured in [[http://i.imgur.com/2ldgxPW.jpg an incredibly awkward live-action segment]] on the DVD of Adult Party Cartoon, with John talking to her like a DirtyOldMan. After years of avoiding it, she finally watched it, then threw away the DVD the next day.
21st Mar '17 1:29:00 PM SupahFranky329
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* FranchiseKiller: The cancellation of ''Ren and Stimpy: Adult Party Cartoon'' put the kibosh on the franchise.

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* FranchiseKiller: The cancellation of ''Ren and Stimpy: Adult Party Cartoon'' put the kibosh on the franchise. In fact, ''Adult Party Cartoon'' was so bad that [[http://screenrant.com/nicktoons-movie-ren-stimpy/ Paramount doesn't want Ren and Stimpy included in their Nicktoons reboot]].
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