History Trivia / TheLordOfTheRings

24th Jun '17 4:32:37 AM Josef5678
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** If a character in a fantasy novel is a noble warrior who hangs out in the wilderness, there's about a 50/50 chance he was inspired by either Aragorn or RobinHood.

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** If a character in a fantasy novel is a noble warrior who hangs out in the wilderness, there's about a 50/50 chance he was inspired by either Aragorn or RobinHood.Myth/RobinHood.



* {{Defictionalization}}: Caradhras, Orthanc, Dol Goldur [sic!] and the Mindolluin Crag are [[http://books.google.com/books?id=-ukAUElJXPIC&pg=PA287&lpg=PA287&dq=caradhras+cascades&source=bl&ots=euSEc07JNO&sig=Hvzq9zLCQ-TW9XT8BqDLAbRprsU&hl=en&ei=Nl8dTd_jHZDCsAOPu72TCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false real places]] in [[TheOtherRainforest Washington State]]. Two climbers (and Tolkien fans) in the 1960's were the first to climb a segment of mountains in the Cascade range and thus [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome ensured naming rights]].

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Caradhras, Orthanc, Dol Goldur [sic!] [sic!], and the Mindolluin Crag are [[http://books.google.com/books?id=-ukAUElJXPIC&pg=PA287&lpg=PA287&dq=caradhras+cascades&source=bl&ots=euSEc07JNO&sig=Hvzq9zLCQ-TW9XT8BqDLAbRprsU&hl=en&ei=Nl8dTd_jHZDCsAOPu72TCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false real places]] in [[TheOtherRainforest Washington State]]. Two climbers (and Tolkien fans) in the 1960's were the first to climb a segment of mountains in the Cascade range and thus [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome ensured naming rights]].



* ReferencedBy: The source code for Perl 5 contains several quotes from ''The Lord of the Rings'' (and one quote from ''Literature/TheHobbit''). Most users of Perl 5 never look at the source code and never see these quotes. The file [[http://perl5.git.perl.org/perl.git/blob/HEAD:/mathoms.c mathoms.c]] contains artefacts kept only for compatibility. It quotes the Prologue of ''The Lord of the Rings'', about how the hobbits kept mathoms.

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The source code for Perl 5 contains several quotes from ''The Lord of the Rings'' (and one quote from ''Literature/TheHobbit''). Most users of Perl 5 never look at the source code and never see these quotes. The file [[http://perl5.git.perl.org/perl.git/blob/HEAD:/mathoms.c mathoms.c]] contains artefacts kept only for compatibility. It quotes the Prologue of ''The Lord of the Rings'', about how the hobbits kept mathoms.
23rd Jun '17 9:55:37 PM Josef5678
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---> "Even in a mythical Age there must be some enigmas, as there always are. Tom Bombadil is one (intentionally)."
9th Jun '17 9:48:17 AM Josef5678
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** * PublisherChosenTitle: The publisher meddled with the titles of the three volumes. Tolkien wanted the last one to be named ''The War of the Ring'' to avoid {{spoiler}}s, but it didn't get through.
6th Jun '17 9:46:08 AM Josef5678
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* FollowTheLeader: It started the fantasy genre as we know it, and indirectly started role playing games as we know them too. The live action movies led the way for more film adaptations based on epic fantasy books.


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* ExecutiveMeddling: Tolkien and his publisher went back and forth about the titles of the books, with Tolkien suggesting many different possibilities for both the three published volumes and the six narrative books (including some subsequently used by Christopher Tolkien like "The Return of the Shadow" and "The Treason of Isengard", and some very [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin literal]] ones such as "The Ring Goes East"). Tolkien finally settled on "The Fellowship of the Ring", "The Two Towers", and "The War of the Ring" for the volumes, and left the narrative books untitled. The publisher [[ExecutiveMeddling overruled]] him and went with "Return of the King" for the third volume despite Tolkien arguing that it was a {{spoiler}} for anyone picking up the series.
2nd Jun '17 7:37:17 PM CaptEquinox
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** And ''in Elvish''. The first voice you hear, while the screen's still dark, is speaking the language to which Tolkien devoted his life and for which he created the Elves and Middle-earth. ''In the beginning was the word.''
26th May '17 2:40:46 PM SnowHesher
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** Early in the film's development, there were multiple rumors that Creator/SarahMichelleGellar was being considered for the role of Eowyn. Ultimately, Miranda Otto was cast.
24th May '17 10:06:33 AM ooh
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** Creator/JohnBoorman wanted to adapt the books into one long epic movie but this fell through and he made ''Film/{{Excalibur}}'' instead.

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** Creator/JohnBoorman wanted to adapt the books into one long epic movie but this fell through and he made ''Film/{{Excalibur}}'' instead. Boorman revisited the idea in the mid-1990s, but fell through again due to legal issues between producer Saul Zaentz and Creator/TristarPictures.
14th May '17 4:48:48 PM NightShade96
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* HostilityOnTheSet: There was something of a rivalry between the extras playing Elves and the extras playing Uruk-hai. The Uruks coined the nickname "cupcakes" for their Elven counterparts. This apparently started because the Elven extras (who were largely local college students) weren't getting into character as soldiers, so the Uruk-hai decided to start taunting, jeering, and otherwise acting like actual members of an opposing army. This got the Elven actors riled up enough to be in character. This doubles as EnforcedMethodActing.
8th May '17 12:20:45 AM TSBasilisk
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* PermanentPlaceholder: The One Ring's design was based on Rick Porras's wedding band after the producer used it as a prop for an impromptu acting session.
9th Apr '17 12:40:23 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* DawsonCasting: In the Prologue, Sir Creator/IanHolm is ''very'' briefly seen wearing a dark, curly wig, as Bilbo 50 years younger. The effect is, unfortunately, that of a 60-ish actor wearing a dark, curly wig. Mercifully, the shot is only a few seconds long.

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* DawsonCasting: In the Prologue, Sir Creator/IanHolm is ''very'' briefly seen wearing a dark, curly wig, as Bilbo 50 years younger. The effect is, unfortunately, While Gandalf ''does'' say that of Bilbo "hasn't aged a 60-ish actor wearing a dark, curly wig. Mercifully, the shot day" since seeing him last, Holm is only a few seconds long.obviously too old to have such brown hair.



** According to the wiki, when Aragorn deflects Lurtz's thrown knife it is pure luck. Lurtz was apparently scripted to miss, but the actor accidentally threw the knife right at Viggo’s face, who (fortunately!) managed to deflect it with his sword.
*** This is given a nice CallForward in ''Film/TheHobbit'' where Kíli manages to pull the same stunt and [[{{LampshadeHanging}} seems surprised that it worked.]]
*** That whole fight scene includes this trope. That headbutt? Real. Aragorn getting punched in the ribs? Real. Aside from any stab wounds incurred, Lawrence Makaore and Viggo Mortensen were actually beating the crap out of each other. It was mainly because the make-up Makaore was wearing obscured his vision, and a lot of 'missed' punches ended up actually connecting. Mortensen figured that it would be better to just fight back, so Makaore fought harder and they got tired and pissed off...

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** According to the wiki, when Aragorn deflects and Lurtz's thrown knife it fight is pure luck. Lurtz was apparently scripted to miss, but the a lot more real than intended. Lurtz's actor accidentally threw the wrong knife right at Viggo’s face, who (fortunately!) managed to deflect it with his sword.
*** This is given a nice CallForward in ''Film/TheHobbit'' where Kíli manages to pull
instead of the same stunt and [[{{LampshadeHanging}} seems surprised safe prop, which made it quite lucky that it worked.]]
*** That whole fight scene includes this trope. That headbutt? Real. Aragorn getting punched in the ribs? Real. Aside from any stab wounds incurred, Lawrence Makaore and Viggo
Mortensen were successfully deflected it. Lurtz's actor also could not see well in the costume, so many of his blows actually beating the crap out of each other. It was mainly because the make-up Makaore was wearing obscured his vision, and a lot of 'missed' punches ended up actually connecting. connected, which prompted Mortensen figured that it would be better to just fight back, so Makaore fought harder and they got tired and pissed off...go stiff on his own blows.



** The idea of Sauron taking form (specifically ''[[Film/HeavenlyCreatures Kate Winslet's]]'' form -- The Eye was really {{bishonen}} back in the day) and almost kicking Aragorn's ass at the final battle was also briefly entertained, and then mercifully abandoned in place of a troll.
** The episode with [[MagicalNativeAmerican Ghan-Buri-Ghan]] and the [[WackyWaysideTribe Wood Woses]] (who were hunted and killed by the Rohirrim [[FantasticAesop for sport]]) was cut out... but we have [[http://www.tuckborough.net/images/ghan-buri-ghan.jpg a production still of what he would have looked like.]]
*** Looks awful blue-skinned. In the book, the Gondorians were encroaching on their forest to mine it. [[Film/{{Avatar}} It seems Tolkien did it first.]] [[note]]David Boyle wrote: "The good Woses have disappeared completely from the narrative, with their implicit message that indigenous peoples, too, are folk worthy of respect. If there are Maori experts on Tolkien..."[[/note]]
** The movies were originally planned as duology because Jackson thought making a trilogy was going to be a hard sell. Thankfully, when he pitched it as a duology to New Line, they responded with "why do you want to make ''two'' movies?" and just as Jackson was about to launch into his defense of why it couldn't possibly be done in one film, they continued... "this is ''three'' movies."
*** The plans for two movies is why The Two Towers has an additional writing credit for Stephen Sinclair. Sinclair worked on early drafts for the duology but apparently left once production expanded to three films. However he contributed enough on The Two Towers to warrant a writing credit.

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** The idea of Aragorn was originally supposed to personally duel Sauron taking form (specifically ''[[Film/HeavenlyCreatures Kate Winslet's]]'' form -- The Eye was really {{bishonen}} back in the day) and almost kicking Aragorn's ass at the final battle end, but Sauron was also briefly entertained, and then mercifully abandoned in place of ultimately replaced by a troll.
** The episode A scene with [[MagicalNativeAmerican Ghan-Buri-Ghan]] and the [[WackyWaysideTribe Wood Woses]] (who were hunted and killed by the Rohirrim [[FantasticAesop for sport]]) was cut out... but we have [[http://www.tuckborough.net/images/ghan-buri-ghan.jpg a production still of what he would have looked like.]]
*** Looks awful blue-skinned. In the book, the Gondorians were encroaching on their forest to mine it. [[Film/{{Avatar}} It seems Tolkien did it first.]] [[note]]David Boyle wrote: "The good Woses have disappeared completely from the narrative, with their implicit message that indigenous peoples, too, are folk worthy of respect. If there are Maori experts on Tolkien..."[[/note]]
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** The movies were originally planned as a duology because Jackson thought making a trilogy was going to be a hard sell. Thankfully, when he pitched it as a duology to New Line, they responded with "why responded, "Why do you want to make ''two'' movies?" and just as Jackson was about to launch into his defense of why it couldn't possibly be done in one film, they continued... "this continued, "This is ''three'' movies."
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" The plans for two movies is why The Two Towers has an additional writing credit for Stephen Sinclair. Sinclair worked on early drafts for the duology but apparently left once production expanded to three films. However he contributed enough on The ''The Two Towers Towers'' to warrant a writing credit.



*** Jackson didn't realize until four days into filming that Aragorn should be an older, mature type.



*** As well as having Ents prevent the Uruk-hai from kidnapping Merry and Pippin.
*** Luckily, New Line was more than happy to dish out the money to finance the project as ''three films'', not just one. [[WhosLaughingNow Guess who has three movies that rank on the best-of-all-time list now.]]

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*** As well as having Having Ents prevent the Uruk-hai from kidnapping Merry and Pippin.
*** Luckily, New Line was more than happy to dish out the money to finance the project as ''three films'', not just one. [[WhosLaughingNow Guess who has three movies that rank on the best-of-all-time list now.]]
Pippin.



** [[http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A46263-2002Dec27 The tenor of the times in 2002]] compelled them to actually cut out a lot of material that mostly served to humanize the other races, such as the bit with the Southron or the conversations with orcs. (The writers said that people felt it necessary to show that the villains were "irredeemably evil").
*** The musings on the Southron soldier are in the Extended Edition of The Two Towers. Though, it's Faramir who delivers the musings (in the book, it was Sam).

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** [[http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A46263-2002Dec27 The tenor of the times in 2002]] compelled them to actually cut out a lot of material that mostly served to humanize the other races, such as the bit with the Southron or the conversations with orcs. (The writers said that people felt it necessary to show that the villains were "irredeemably evil").
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The musings on the Southron soldier are in the Extended Edition of The Two Towers. Though, it's Faramir who delivers the musings (in the book, it was Sam).
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