History Trivia / TheLordOfTheRings

9th Apr '17 12:40:23 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* DawsonCasting: In the Prologue, Sir Creator/IanHolm is ''very'' briefly seen wearing a dark, curly wig, as Bilbo 50 years younger. The effect is, unfortunately, that of a 60-ish actor wearing a dark, curly wig. Mercifully, the shot is only a few seconds long.

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* DawsonCasting: In the Prologue, Sir Creator/IanHolm is ''very'' briefly seen wearing a dark, curly wig, as Bilbo 50 years younger. The effect is, unfortunately, While Gandalf ''does'' say that of Bilbo "hasn't aged a 60-ish actor wearing a dark, curly wig. Mercifully, the shot day" since seeing him last, Holm is only a few seconds long.obviously too old to have such brown hair.



** According to the wiki, when Aragorn deflects Lurtz's thrown knife it is pure luck. Lurtz was apparently scripted to miss, but the actor accidentally threw the knife right at Viggo’s face, who (fortunately!) managed to deflect it with his sword.
*** This is given a nice CallForward in ''Film/TheHobbit'' where Kíli manages to pull the same stunt and [[{{LampshadeHanging}} seems surprised that it worked.]]
*** That whole fight scene includes this trope. That headbutt? Real. Aragorn getting punched in the ribs? Real. Aside from any stab wounds incurred, Lawrence Makaore and Viggo Mortensen were actually beating the crap out of each other. It was mainly because the make-up Makaore was wearing obscured his vision, and a lot of 'missed' punches ended up actually connecting. Mortensen figured that it would be better to just fight back, so Makaore fought harder and they got tired and pissed off...

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** According to the wiki, when Aragorn deflects and Lurtz's thrown knife it fight is pure luck. Lurtz was apparently scripted to miss, but the a lot more real than intended. Lurtz's actor accidentally threw the wrong knife right at Viggo’s face, who (fortunately!) managed to deflect it with his sword.
*** This is given a nice CallForward in ''Film/TheHobbit'' where Kíli manages to pull
instead of the same stunt and [[{{LampshadeHanging}} seems surprised safe prop, which made it quite lucky that it worked.]]
*** That whole fight scene includes this trope. That headbutt? Real. Aragorn getting punched in the ribs? Real. Aside from any stab wounds incurred, Lawrence Makaore and Viggo
Mortensen were successfully deflected it. Lurtz's actor also could not see well in the costume, so many of his blows actually beating the crap out of each other. It was mainly because the make-up Makaore was wearing obscured his vision, and a lot of 'missed' punches ended up actually connecting. connected, which prompted Mortensen figured that it would be better to just fight back, so Makaore fought harder and they got tired and pissed off...go stiff on his own blows.



** The idea of Sauron taking form (specifically ''[[Film/HeavenlyCreatures Kate Winslet's]]'' form -- The Eye was really {{bishonen}} back in the day) and almost kicking Aragorn's ass at the final battle was also briefly entertained, and then mercifully abandoned in place of a troll.
** The episode with [[MagicalNativeAmerican Ghan-Buri-Ghan]] and the [[WackyWaysideTribe Wood Woses]] (who were hunted and killed by the Rohirrim [[FantasticAesop for sport]]) was cut out... but we have [[http://www.tuckborough.net/images/ghan-buri-ghan.jpg a production still of what he would have looked like.]]
*** Looks awful blue-skinned. In the book, the Gondorians were encroaching on their forest to mine it. [[Film/{{Avatar}} It seems Tolkien did it first.]] [[note]]David Boyle wrote: "The good Woses have disappeared completely from the narrative, with their implicit message that indigenous peoples, too, are folk worthy of respect. If there are Maori experts on Tolkien..."[[/note]]
** The movies were originally planned as duology because Jackson thought making a trilogy was going to be a hard sell. Thankfully, when he pitched it as a duology to New Line, they responded with "why do you want to make ''two'' movies?" and just as Jackson was about to launch into his defense of why it couldn't possibly be done in one film, they continued... "this is ''three'' movies."
*** The plans for two movies is why The Two Towers has an additional writing credit for Stephen Sinclair. Sinclair worked on early drafts for the duology but apparently left once production expanded to three films. However he contributed enough on The Two Towers to warrant a writing credit.

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** The idea of Aragorn was originally supposed to personally duel Sauron taking form (specifically ''[[Film/HeavenlyCreatures Kate Winslet's]]'' form -- The Eye was really {{bishonen}} back in the day) and almost kicking Aragorn's ass at the final battle end, but Sauron was also briefly entertained, and then mercifully abandoned in place of ultimately replaced by a troll.
** The episode A scene with [[MagicalNativeAmerican Ghan-Buri-Ghan]] and the [[WackyWaysideTribe Wood Woses]] (who were hunted and killed by the Rohirrim [[FantasticAesop for sport]]) was cut out... but we have [[http://www.tuckborough.net/images/ghan-buri-ghan.jpg a production still of what he would have looked like.]]
*** Looks awful blue-skinned. In the book, the Gondorians were encroaching on their forest to mine it. [[Film/{{Avatar}} It seems Tolkien did it first.]] [[note]]David Boyle wrote: "The good Woses have disappeared completely from the narrative, with their implicit message that indigenous peoples, too, are folk worthy of respect. If there are Maori experts on Tolkien..."[[/note]]
out.
** The movies were originally planned as a duology because Jackson thought making a trilogy was going to be a hard sell. Thankfully, when he pitched it as a duology to New Line, they responded with "why responded, "Why do you want to make ''two'' movies?" and just as Jackson was about to launch into his defense of why it couldn't possibly be done in one film, they continued... "this continued, "This is ''three'' movies."
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" The plans for two movies is why The Two Towers has an additional writing credit for Stephen Sinclair. Sinclair worked on early drafts for the duology but apparently left once production expanded to three films. However he contributed enough on The ''The Two Towers Towers'' to warrant a writing credit.



*** Jackson didn't realize until four days into filming that Aragorn should be an older, mature type.



*** As well as having Ents prevent the Uruk-hai from kidnapping Merry and Pippin.
*** Luckily, New Line was more than happy to dish out the money to finance the project as ''three films'', not just one. [[WhosLaughingNow Guess who has three movies that rank on the best-of-all-time list now.]]

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*** As well as having Having Ents prevent the Uruk-hai from kidnapping Merry and Pippin.
*** Luckily, New Line was more than happy to dish out the money to finance the project as ''three films'', not just one. [[WhosLaughingNow Guess who has three movies that rank on the best-of-all-time list now.]]
Pippin.



** [[http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A46263-2002Dec27 The tenor of the times in 2002]] compelled them to actually cut out a lot of material that mostly served to humanize the other races, such as the bit with the Southron or the conversations with orcs. (The writers said that people felt it necessary to show that the villains were "irredeemably evil").
*** The musings on the Southron soldier are in the Extended Edition of The Two Towers. Though, it's Faramir who delivers the musings (in the book, it was Sam).

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** [[http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A46263-2002Dec27 The tenor of the times in 2002]] compelled them to actually cut out a lot of material that mostly served to humanize the other races, such as the bit with the Southron or the conversations with orcs. (The writers said that people felt it necessary to show that the villains were "irredeemably evil").
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The musings on the Southron soldier are in the Extended Edition of The Two Towers. Though, it's Faramir who delivers the musings (in the book, it was Sam).
9th Apr '17 12:13:07 PM CaptainCrawdad
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** Despite all of the series' wins and nominations, the trilogy's cast was [[AwardSnub snubbed]]: the only acting Oscar nomination was Creator/IanMcKellen for the first film. Most notably, Andy Serkis was not eligible for being nominated for best supporting actor because his character was CGI.
** Peter Jackson was still putting the finishing touches on the extended cut of ''Return of the King'' when it won Best Picture, prompting him to muse in one behind-the-scenes clip (as they were adding the rolling skulls to the army of the dead sequence) about how he could still be working on a film that had ''already won'' Best Picture.
6th Mar '17 6:48:53 PM mlsmithca
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** In the animated adaption, [[SoCoolItsAwesome Ralph Bakshi originally wanted to include music by]] Music/LedZeppelin. Unfortunately, Saul Zaentz insisted he use an orchestral score because he wouldn't be able to release the band's music on his Fantasy Records label. Bakshi later said that he hated the final orchestral score, as he found it too cliche.

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** In the animated adaption, [[SoCoolItsAwesome Ralph Bakshi originally wanted to include music by]] by Music/LedZeppelin. Unfortunately, Saul Zaentz insisted he use an orchestral score because he wouldn't be able to release the band's music on his Fantasy Records label. Bakshi later said that he hated the final orchestral score, as he found it too cliche.



* ActorAllusion: In the extended cut of the third movie, [[Creator/ChristopherLee Saruman]] is [[Film/HorrorOfDracula impaled on a spike that goes through his heart]] after falling to his death from Orthanc.
** Also, in the first film:
--> '''[[Creator/SeanBean Boromir]]''': (''after cutting himself on Narsil'') Still [[{{Series/Sharpe}} sharp]]

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* ActorAllusion: ActorAllusion:
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In the extended cut of the third movie, [[Creator/ChristopherLee Saruman]] is [[Film/HorrorOfDracula impaled on a spike that goes through his heart]] after falling to his death from Orthanc.
** Also, in In the first film:
--> '''[[Creator/SeanBean Boromir]]''': (''after cutting himself on Narsil'') Still [[{{Series/Sharpe}} sharp]]sharp.]]
2nd Mar '17 1:11:11 PM Cieloazul
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** Sam's famously epic speech at the end of ''The Two Towers'', the one about how their state was "like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo, the ones that really mattered," was actually transplanted not only from a different context, but also a different moment. In the books, the speech was given while they were camping at Cirith Ungol after passing Minas Morgul, and it was just part of a series of musings Sam had while chatting lightly with Frodo. The film placed it much before, during the battle in Osgiliath, and made Sam utter it as a shocked, heartfelt revelation about their fears and hopes, which the speech pretty much summed up. Gollum's reaction to the monologue diverges too, as in the book he wasn't present and thus never heard it, while in the film he was right there with them and was uncharacteristically moved by Sam's words in one of his most redeeming moments.

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** Sam's famously epic speech monologue at the end of ''The Two Towers'', the one about how their state was "like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo, the ones that really mattered," stories," was actually transplanted not only from a different context, but also a different moment. In the books, the speech was given while they were camping at Cirith Ungol after passing Minas Morgul, and it was just part of a series of musings Sam had while chatting lightly with Frodo. The film placed it much before, during the battle in Osgiliath, and made Sam utter it as a shocked, heartfelt revelation about their fears and hopes, which the speech pretty much summed up. Gollum's reaction to the monologue diverges too, as in the book he wasn't present and thus never heard it, while in the film he was right there with them and was uncharacteristically moved by Sam's words in one of his most redeeming moments.



* FatalMethodActing: Averted twice, thankfully, but nonetheless some close calls for Viggo Mortensen, who was pulled under by a current and nearly drowned while filming the river scene in ''The Two Towers''. Then there was his fight with Lurtz in ''Fellowship''. Lurtz's actor mistakenly threw his knife directly at Mortensen's face, and Mortensen managed to deflect the blade with his sword. The shot remains in the movie.

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* FatalMethodActing: Averted twice, thankfully, but nonetheless some close calls for Viggo Mortensen, who was pulled under by a current and nearly drowned while filming the river scene in ''The Two Towers''. Then there was his fight with Lurtz in ''Fellowship''. Lurtz's actor mistakenly threw his real-sharp knife directly at Mortensen's face, and Mortensen managed to deflect the blade with his sword. The shot remains in the movie.



** In a scene at the beginning of the first movie, when Gandalf visits Bilbo at Bag End, Creator/IanMcKellen bumps into the low hanging lanterns, which was expected. Then he turns quickly, and... whacks his head on a wooden beam in the low ceiling. Since it looked just fine and [[RuleOfFunny also pretty funny]], it was kept as the final cut.

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** In a scene at the beginning of the first movie, when Gandalf visits Bilbo at Bag End, Creator/IanMcKellen bumps into the low hanging lanterns, which was expected. Then he turns quickly, and... and whacks his head on a wooden beam in the low ceiling.ceiling, which was ''not'' expected. Since it looked just fine and [[RuleOfFunny also pretty funny]], it was kept as the final cut.



*** This is given a nice CallForward in ''Film/TheHobbit'' where Kíli manages to pull the same stunt. [[{{LampshadeHanging}} He seems surprised that it worked.]]

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*** This is given a nice CallForward in ''Film/TheHobbit'' where Kíli manages to pull the same stunt. stunt and [[{{LampshadeHanging}} He seems surprised that it worked.]]



*** Looks awful blue-skinned. In the book, the Gondorians were encroaching on their forest to mine it. [[Film/{{Avatar}} Hmmm...]] Yeah, Tolkien did it first.[[note]]David Boyle wrote: "The good Woses have disappeared completely from the narrative, with their implicit message that indigenous peoples, too, are folk worthy of respect. If there are Maori experts on Tolkien..."[[/note]]

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*** Looks awful blue-skinned. In the book, the Gondorians were encroaching on their forest to mine it. [[Film/{{Avatar}} Hmmm...]] Yeah, It seems Tolkien did it first.]] [[note]]David Boyle wrote: "The good Woses have disappeared completely from the narrative, with their implicit message that indigenous peoples, too, are folk worthy of respect. If there are Maori experts on Tolkien..."[[/note]]



** The Balrog was going to be shown after falling in the water with its fire gone out and covered in slime.

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** The Balrog was going to be shown after falling in the water with its fire gone out and covered in slime. Also, his fall would scare away several tentacled monsters similar to the Watcher in the Water.



** Creator/SeanConnery was originally offered the role of Gandalf, but turned it down because he didn't like the first script. (Another version of this says he "didn't understand the story".) Creator/RussellCrowe was another actor who turned down a role from this movie (as Aragorn) because he didn't like the shooting schedule. Creator/DanielDayLewis, Jackson's first choice, also turned down the part of Aragorn.

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** Creator/SeanConnery was originally offered the role of Gandalf, but turned it down because he didn't like the first script. (Another script (another version of this says he "didn't understand the story".) story"). Creator/RussellCrowe was another actor who turned down a role from this movie (as Aragorn) because he didn't like the shooting schedule. Creator/DanielDayLewis, Jackson's first choice, also turned down the part of Aragorn.



** Creator/TomBaker was offered "a role" according to him, not necessarily "the role of Gandalf". He turned it down because he didn't want to be in New Zealand for months at a time. Speculation still exists on what this role may have been. Some speculate that it might have perhaps been Radagast the Brown (which eventually went to fellow ''Series/DoctorWho'' alum Creator/SylvesterMcCoy for Creator/PeterJackson's adaptation of ''Film/TheHobbit'').

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** Creator/TomBaker was offered "a role" according to him, and not necessarily "the role of Gandalf". He turned it down because he didn't want to be in New Zealand for months at a time. Speculation still exists on what this role may have been. Some speculate been, and some believe that it might have perhaps been Radagast the Brown (which eventually went to fellow ''Series/DoctorWho'' alum Creator/SylvesterMcCoy for Creator/PeterJackson's adaptation of ''Film/TheHobbit'').



* WrongfullyAttributed: The now famous line, "A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to," was first uttered in the 2001 Fellowship film. Somehow, however, the line keeps being referenced as a Tolkien by casual fans of the 'verse.

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* WrongfullyAttributed: The now famous line, "A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to," was first uttered in the 2001 Fellowship film. Somehow, however, the line keeps being referenced as a Tolkien genuine quote from the books by casual fans of the 'verse.
2nd Mar '17 1:01:57 PM Cieloazul
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** Sam's famously epic speech at the end of ''The Two Towers'', the one about how their state was "like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo, the ones that really mattered," was actually transplanted not only from a different context, but also a different moment. In the books, the speech was given while they were camping at Cirith Ungol after passing Minas Morgul, and it was just part of a series of musings Sam had while chatting lightly with Frodo. The film placed it much before, during the battle in Osgiliath, and made Sam utter it as a shocked, heartfelt revelation about their fears and hopes, which the speech pretty much summed up. Gollum's reaction to the monologue diverges too, as in the book he wasn't present and thus never heard it, while in the film he was right there with them and was uncharacteristically moved by Sam's words in one of his most redeeming moments.
26th Feb '17 8:51:24 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* AgonyOfTheFeet: To the actors. Creator/SeanAstin stepped on a big piece of broken glass when wading into the river at the end of ''Fellowship'', and Viggo Mortensen broke his toe kicking a helmet (see ThrowItIn).

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* AgonyOfTheFeet: To the actors. Creator/SeanAstin stepped on a big piece of broken glass when wading into the river at the end of ''Fellowship'', and Viggo Mortensen Creator/ViggoMortensen broke his toe kicking a helmet (see ThrowItIn).



* DawsonCasting: In the Prologue, Sir Ian Holm is ''very'' briefly seen wearing a dark, curly wig, as Bilbo 50 years younger. The effect is, unfortunately, that of a 60-ish actor wearing a dark, curly wig. Mercifully, the shot is only a few seconds long.

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* DawsonCasting: In the Prologue, Sir Ian Holm Creator/IanHolm is ''very'' briefly seen wearing a dark, curly wig, as Bilbo 50 years younger. The effect is, unfortunately, that of a 60-ish actor wearing a dark, curly wig. Mercifully, the shot is only a few seconds long.



** Elijah Wood's sister Hannah played one of the Rohirrim refugees.
** Sean Astin's eldest daughter Alexandria, who was 4 at the time, played Sam's daughter Elanor in the ending of ''The Return of the King''.

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** Elijah Wood's Creator/ElijahWood's sister Hannah played one of the Rohirrim refugees.
** Sean Astin's Creator/SeanAstin's eldest daughter Alexandria, who was 4 at the time, played Sam's daughter Elanor in the ending of ''The Return of the King''.



** John Rhys-Davis plays Gimli and voices Treebeard.

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** John Rhys-Davis Creator/JohnRhysDavis plays Gimli and voices Treebeard.



** SeanConnery was considered for Gandalf. ''Sean-freaking-Connery'' as ''Gandalf''!



** Sean Astin lobbied for his father, [[Series/TheAddamsFamily John Astin]], to be given the part of Gandalf.

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** Sean Astin Creator/SeanAstin lobbied for his father, [[Series/TheAddamsFamily John Astin]], to be given the part of Gandalf.



** Creator/UmaThurman and Ethan Hawke were being considered for Éowyn and Faramir. Thurman initially accepted the offer but had to cancel due to pregnancy.

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** Creator/UmaThurman and Ethan Hawke Creator/EthanHawke were being considered for Éowyn and Faramir. Thurman initially accepted the offer but had to cancel due to pregnancy.



** Creator/SeanConnery was originally offered the role of Gandalf, but turned it down because he didn't like the first script. (Another version of this says he "didn't understand the story".) Russell Crowe was another actor who turned down a role from this movie (as Aragorn) because he didn't like the shooting schedule. Daniel Day-Lewis, Jackson's first choice, also turned down the part of Aragorn.

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** Creator/SeanConnery was originally offered the role of Gandalf, but turned it down because he didn't like the first script. (Another version of this says he "didn't understand the story".) Russell Crowe Creator/RussellCrowe was another actor who turned down a role from this movie (as Aragorn) because he didn't like the shooting schedule. Daniel Day-Lewis, Creator/DanielDayLewis, Jackson's first choice, also turned down the part of Aragorn.



** Nic Cage was offered the role of Aragorn, but turned it down due to the time commitment.

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** Nic Cage Creator/NicolasCage was offered the role of Aragorn, but turned it down due to the time commitment.
21st Jan '17 2:06:22 PM CaptEquinox
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** "Lothlorien" is the former name of the thriving nature sanctuary/spiritual retreat (or non-Wiccan pagan/hippie commune) in Lawrence County, Indiana. Its founding documents were a poetic combination of Tolkien's idealism toward nature and "Christ Light" doctrine, making it a really NewAgeRetroHippie establishment. Today, it's called [[http://www.elvinhome.org/index.php Elvin H.O.M.E.]]
21st Jan '17 1:59:48 PM CaptEquinox
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** The Music/LedZeppelin songs "Misty Mountain Hop", "Ramble On", "Stairway to Heaven", "Over the Hills and Far Away" and "Battle of Evermore" all refer to people, places and situations in the books. But they are only the best known references. There are thousands of others. Tom Rapp, Pearls Before Swine's frontman, set most of the "Three rings for the Elven-kings..." lyric to music, called it "Ring Thing" and put it on the ''Balaklava'' album. The men's choral pop group [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Association The Association]][[note]]perhaps best remembered for "Along Comes Mary", "Windy" and "Never My Love"[[/note]] had a soft song called "Toymaker" with these lines: "Picture book, Pippin Took/Taking a look." There have been several bands called the Hobbits and a number of albums with titles like ''Middle-earth'', ''Lothlorien'' and so on. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_inspired_by_J._R._R._Tolkien#Rock_music Much more here.]]
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6th Jan '17 9:44:59 AM hullflyer
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** The filmmakers tried to create the "Gollum into the lava" scene true to the book, but the take with Gollum simply falling into the lava while celebrating was deemed too anticlimactic. So they tried again, filming a scene where Frodo [[WhatTheHellHero deliberately pushes Gollum and the Ring into the lava]]. ''That'' was basically murder, so they [[TakeAThirdOption filmed a third take]], which is the one we see in the final product.

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** The filmmakers tried to create the "Gollum into the lava" scene true to the book, but the take with Gollum simply falling into the lava while celebrating was deemed too anticlimactic. So they tried again, filming a scene where Frodo [[WhatTheHellHero deliberately pushes Gollum and the Ring into the lava]]. ''That'' was basically murder, so they [[TakeAThirdOption filmed a third take]], take]] where they still fight, but Gollum's fall is an accident, which is the one we see in the final product.
6th Jan '17 7:50:13 AM TrueBlue170
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** During the scene in Ithilien when Faramir attempted to take the Ring from Frodo (only to be stopped by Sam), the original intention was to have Frodo have a moment where he changed into a hideous Gollum-like appearance, as Bilbo did in Rivendell. Although this was cut, you can still see traces of it in the moment where Frodo, face hidden from the camera, cowers against the rock, and the greatly disturbed look on Faramir's face.

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** During the scene in Ithilien when Faramir attempted to take the Ring from Frodo (only to be stopped by Sam), the original intention was to have Frodo have a moment where he changed into a hideous Gollum-like appearance, as Bilbo did in Rivendell. Although this was cut, you can still see traces of it in the moment where Frodo, face hidden from the camera, cowers against the rock, and the greatly disturbed look on Faramir's face. Images of Elijah's makeup tests of this scene can be found [[http://onedio.co/content/did-frodo-become-gollum-in-lotr-a-deleted-scene-revealed-11893 here.]]
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