History Trivia / TheLambLiesDownOnBroadway

17th Mar '16 4:58:19 PM 123456789
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* TroubledProduction:

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* TroubledProduction:TroubledProduction: The album is one of the best albums in ProgressiveRock, but the making of it was disastrous, to say the least.



** In the middle of the album sessions, Gabriel received an offer to work with William Friedkin on a movie screenplay, and couldn't see why the rest of the band thought leaving in the middle of an album session might be a bad thing. Genesis' manager Tony Smith had to call Friedkin and get him to back off, which led to discontent on Gabriel's part. Gabriel made it clear he was leaving the band, although he stayed to do the live tour. The film project never came to pass.

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** In the middle of the album sessions, Gabriel received an offer to work with William Friedkin on a movie screenplay, and couldn't see [[TemptingFate why the rest of the band thought leaving in the middle of an album session might be a bad thing. Genesis' thing]]. When the others found out, they told their manager Tony Smith Smith, who had to call Friedkin and get him to back off, which led to discontent on Gabriel's part. Gabriel made it clear he was leaving the band, although he stayed to do the live tour. The film project never came to pass.pass because of that.



** In the end, the album tanked on the charts, was savaged by critics and fans alike, and the band lost their ass on the tour, nearly breaking up in the process. For obvious reasons, almost all the members of the band treated it as an OldShame for many years, only beginning to warm up to it much later when they could put the stress of creating it behind them. (As a sort of belated consolation, the album did eventually go gold.)

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** In the end, the album tanked on the charts, was savaged by critics and fans alike, and the band lost their ass on the tour, as well as their lead singer, nearly breaking up in the process.causing a break-up. For obvious reasons, almost all the members of the band treated it as an OldShame for many years, only beginning to warm up to it much later when they could put the stress of creating it behind them. (As a sort of belated consolation, the album did eventually go gold.)
21st Feb '16 2:38:42 PM Nozdordomu
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** In the end, the album tanked on the charts, was savaged by critics and fans alike, and the band lost their ass on the tour, nearly breaking up in the process. For obvious reasons, almost all the members of the band treated it as an OldShame for many years, only beginning to warm up to it much later when they could put the stress of creating it behind them.

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** In the end, the album tanked on the charts, was savaged by critics and fans alike, and the band lost their ass on the tour, nearly breaking up in the process. For obvious reasons, almost all the members of the band treated it as an OldShame for many years, only beginning to warm up to it much later when they could put the stress of creating it behind them. (As a sort of belated consolation, the album did eventually go gold.)
4th Feb '16 1:07:20 AM CassandraLeo
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* FakeAmerican: A half-Puerto Rican street kid from [[BigApplesauce New York City]] would be unlikely to refer to money as "notes and coins". But he does anyway in "The Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging". And in the next song ("Back in N.Y.C.") he says "progressive hypocrites" instead of "liberal hypocrites" -- "progressive" wasn't a common term in America until 15 or 20 years later.

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* FakeAmerican: A half-Puerto Rican street kid from [[BigApplesauce New York City]] would be unlikely to refer to money as "notes and coins". But he does anyway in "The Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging". And in the next song ("Back in N.Y.C.") he says "progressive hypocrites" instead of "liberal hypocrites" -- "progressive" wasn't a common term in America until 15 or 20 years later.later (or [[AnachronismStew several decades earlier]], but hey).
4th Jan '16 1:11:52 PM fauxtoast
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*** [[WordOfGod Hackett mentioned in a recent article]] for ''Prog'' magazine (made by the publishers of ''Classic Rock'') that what triggered his wine glass accident had something to do with someone at a backstage party Hackett went to after a Sensational Alex Harvey Band concert he attended saying, "[[TheFaceOfTheBand The band is good]], [[HarsherInHindsight but they'd be nothing without Alex Harvey]]", which frustrated Steve as that's what critics were beginning to say about Genesis with the news of Peter Gabriel's impending departure.

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*** [[WordOfGod Hackett mentioned in a recent article]] for ''Prog'' magazine (made by the publishers of ''Classic Rock'') that what triggered his the wine glass accident had something to do with was what someone said at a backstage party Hackett went to after a Sensational Alex Harvey Band concert he attended saying, concert. They said, "[[TheFaceOfTheBand The band is good]], [[HarsherInHindsight but they'd be nothing without Alex Harvey]]", which Harvey]]". The remark frustrated Steve as that's what critics were beginning to say about Genesis with the news of Peter Gabriel's impending departure.
4th Jan '16 1:04:25 PM fauxtoast
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** For starters, Peter Gabriel insisted on writing all of the lyrics himself, feeling that a consistent story would be necessary. At the time, his marriage was in trouble and his newborn daughter was in an incubator. This led to most of the music being written in his absence by the Banks/Rutherford/Collins trio.

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** For starters, Peter Gabriel insisted on writing all of the lyrics himself, feeling that a consistent story would be necessary. At the time, his marriage was in trouble and his newborn daughter was in an incubator. This led to most of the music being written in his absence by the Banks/Rutherford/Collins trio.rest of the band.



** In the middle of the album sessions, Gabriel received an offer to work with William Friedkin on a movie screenplay, and couldn't see why the rest of the band thought leaving in the middle of an album session might be a bad thing. Genesis' manager Tony Smith had to call Friedkin and get him to back off, which led to discontent on Gabriel's part. Gabriel made it clear he was leaving the band, although he stayed to do the live tour.
** Due to stress from being creatively sidelined on the album and his own failing marriage, Steve Hackett snapped a wineglass in his hand during rehearsals, injuring tendons in his thumb and delaying the start of the tour. After some juggling of venue dates, this meant the first wing performed was the American wing, where the album hadn't been released yet. Ticket sales went "meh." Hackett would record his first solo album shortly after the tour, and leave the band within two years.
*** [[WordOfGod Hackett mentioned in a recent article]] for ''Prog'' magazine (made by the publishers of ''Classic Rock'') that what triggered his wine glass accident had something to do with someone at a backstage party Hackett went to after a Sensational Alex Harvey Band concert he attended saying, "[[TheFaceOfTheBand The band is good]], [[HarsherInHindsight but they'd be nothing without Alex Harvey]]", which reminded Steve of what people said about Genesis and Peter.

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** In the middle of the album sessions, Gabriel received an offer to work with William Friedkin on a movie screenplay, and couldn't see why the rest of the band thought leaving in the middle of an album session might be a bad thing. Genesis' manager Tony Smith had to call Friedkin and get him to back off, which led to discontent on Gabriel's part. Gabriel made it clear he was leaving the band, although he stayed to do the live tour.
tour. The film project never came to pass.
** Due to stress from being creatively sidelined on the album and his own failing marriage, Steve Hackett snapped a wineglass in his hand during rehearsals, injuring tendons in his thumb and delaying the start of the tour. After some juggling of venue dates, this meant the first wing performed leg of the tour was the American wing, to be in America, where the album hadn't been released yet. Ticket sales went "meh." Hackett would record his first solo album (''Voyage Of The Acolyte'') shortly after the tour, and would leave the band within two years.
three years later, in 1977.
*** [[WordOfGod Hackett mentioned in a recent article]] for ''Prog'' magazine (made by the publishers of ''Classic Rock'') that what triggered his wine glass accident had something to do with someone at a backstage party Hackett went to after a Sensational Alex Harvey Band concert he attended saying, "[[TheFaceOfTheBand The band is good]], [[HarsherInHindsight but they'd be nothing without Alex Harvey]]", which reminded frustrated Steve of as that's what people said critics were beginning to say about Genesis and Peter.with the news of Peter Gabriel's impending departure.
2nd Jun '15 5:59:56 AM LongLiveHumour
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** The location of the recording, [[TheRollingStones Mick Jagger's]] Stargroves mansion, which was often a favorite recording location for LedZeppelin, turned out be be rundown, infested by rats and was believed by band members to be haunted. The group had very little sleep, and what was supposed to be a way of solidifying group unity actually led to stress and strain for the band.

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** The location of the recording, [[TheRollingStones [[Music/TheRollingStones Mick Jagger's]] Stargroves mansion, which was often a favorite recording location for LedZeppelin, Music/LedZeppelin, turned out be be rundown, infested by rats and was believed by band members to be haunted. The group had very little sleep, and what was supposed to be a way of solidifying group unity actually led to stress and strain for the band.
5th Mar '15 11:49:28 AM bt8257
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* FakeAmerican: A half-Puerto Rican street kid from [[BigApplesauce New York City]] would be unlikely to refer to money as "notes and coins". But he does anyway in "The Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging". And in the next song ("Back in N.Y.C.") he says "progressive hypocrites" instead of "liberal hypocrites" -- "progressive" wasn't a common term in America until fifteen or twenty years later.

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* FakeAmerican: A half-Puerto Rican street kid from [[BigApplesauce New York City]] would be unlikely to refer to money as "notes and coins". But he does anyway in "The Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging". And in the next song ("Back in N.Y.C.") he says "progressive hypocrites" instead of "liberal hypocrites" -- "progressive" wasn't a common term in America until fifteen 15 or twenty 20 years later.
5th Mar '15 11:47:24 AM bt8257
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* FakeAmerican: A half-Puerto Rican street kid from [[BigApplesauce New York City]] would be unlikely to refer to money as "notes and coins". But he does anyway in "The Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging". And in the next song ("Back in N.Y.C.") he says "progressive hypocrites" instead of "liberal hypocrites" -- "progressive" wouldn't become a common term in America for another fifteen or twenty years.

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* FakeAmerican: A half-Puerto Rican street kid from [[BigApplesauce New York City]] would be unlikely to refer to money as "notes and coins". But he does anyway in "The Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging". And in the next song ("Back in N.Y.C.") he says "progressive hypocrites" instead of "liberal hypocrites" -- "progressive" wouldn't become wasn't a common term in America for another until fifteen or twenty years.years later.
22nd Sep '14 10:11:19 AM doubleyouteeeff
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** At least he got trucks and gas stations right. Any reference to "lorries" or "filling stations" would have raised a red flag.
15th Aug '14 1:53:36 PM CassandraLeo
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* FakeAmerican: A half-Puerto Rican street kid from [[BigApplesauce New York City]] would be unlikely to refer to money as "notes and coins". But he does anyway in "The Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging". And in the next song ("Back in N.Y.C.") he says "progressive hypocrites" instead of "liberal hypocrites" -- "progressive" wouldn't become a common term in America for another fifteen or twenty years.
--> '''[[{{MST}} Mike]]:''' [[http://www.solsburyhill.org/pre2010files/Lamb1.html Notes and coins? So how long have you lived in New York City, Rael?]]


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* SequelFirst: Due to a late injury to Steve Hackett during rehearsals and the necessary switching of venue dates that followed, the American leg of the ''The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway'' tour was scheduled to happen before the album itself had even been released in the US. The band ended up playing the entirety of the album to audiences who hadn't heard it yet and certainly weren't expecting [[TrueArtIsIncomprehensible anything like that]].
* TroubledProduction:
** For starters, Peter Gabriel insisted on writing all of the lyrics himself, feeling that a consistent story would be necessary. At the time, his marriage was in trouble and his newborn daughter was in an incubator. This led to most of the music being written in his absence by the Banks/Rutherford/Collins trio.
** The location of the recording, [[TheRollingStones Mick Jagger's]] Stargroves mansion, which was often a favorite recording location for LedZeppelin, turned out be be rundown, infested by rats and was believed by band members to be haunted. The group had very little sleep, and what was supposed to be a way of solidifying group unity actually led to stress and strain for the band.
** Arguments over included songs and lyrics. The other members of the band would occasionally rewrite Gabriel's lyrics to better fit their music, and Gabriel wrote several songs on his own (to bridge already-written sections) without the rest of the band's input (one of them, "The Carpet Crawlers", would be a live staple for the post-Gabriel band). Gabriel also ran into writer's block with "The Light Lies Down On Broadway", leaving Banks and Rutherford to write both music and lyrics.
** In the middle of the album sessions, Gabriel received an offer to work with William Friedkin on a movie screenplay, and couldn't see why the rest of the band thought leaving in the middle of an album session might be a bad thing. Genesis' manager Tony Smith had to call Friedkin and get him to back off, which led to discontent on Gabriel's part. Gabriel made it clear he was leaving the band, although he stayed to do the live tour.
** Due to stress from being creatively sidelined on the album and his own failing marriage, Steve Hackett snapped a wineglass in his hand during rehearsals, injuring tendons in his thumb and delaying the start of the tour. After some juggling of venue dates, this meant the first wing performed was the American wing, where the album hadn't been released yet. Ticket sales went "meh." Hackett would record his first solo album shortly after the tour, and leave the band within two years.
*** [[WordOfGod Hackett mentioned in a recent article]] for ''Prog'' magazine (made by the publishers of ''Classic Rock'') that what triggered his wine glass accident had something to do with someone at a backstage party Hackett went to after a Sensational Alex Harvey Band concert he attended saying, "[[TheFaceOfTheBand The band is good]], [[HarsherInHindsight but they'd be nothing without Alex Harvey]]", which reminded Steve of what people said about Genesis and Peter.
** The live show was troubled by faulty equipment (including the slides meant to visually display the story). The band performed the entire double album, and only performed older, more recognized material in encores. Gabriel eschewed his trademark costumes for most of the show, and when he donned them for the second half, the overly elaborate designs prevented him from getting a microphone near his mouth, rendering the lyrics incomprehensible.
** In the end, the album tanked on the charts, was savaged by critics and fans alike, and the band lost their ass on the tour, nearly breaking up in the process. For obvious reasons, almost all the members of the band treated it as an OldShame for many years, only beginning to warm up to it much later when they could put the stress of creating it behind them.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Mike Rutherford reportedly suggested the idea of writing a ConceptAlbum based on Antoine De Saint-Expuery's novel ''Literature/TheLittlePrince'', but PeterGabriel wanted to use a grittier, less fantasy-tinged, more ''American'' concept.
** The bookend song-cycles of Genesis' 1980 album ''Duke'' touch on some concepts similar to ''The Little Prince''.
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