History Trivia / TheHobbit

2nd Sep '17 5:34:17 AM xoriak
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** The first draft sets the story in the time of ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'', while in another, Bilbo mentions China and the Gobi Desert at some point, implying the story takes place in our own world instead of the Middle Earth.

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** The first draft sets the story in the time of ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'', while in another, Bilbo mentions China and the Gobi Desert at some point, implying the story takes place in our own world instead of the Middle Earth.Middle-earth.
18th Apr '17 5:01:31 PM OnGreenDolphinStreet
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* AshcanCopy: The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBnVL1Y2src 1966 short film]] directed by Gene Deitch, made was made for this purpose (more info [[http://genedeitchcredits.com/40-william-l-snyder/ here]]). According to Deitch it was screened only once in June 1966 to an audience of about six people to fulfill the part of the contract saying the film had to be shown in public. Despite being the ''only'' screen adaptation of Tolkien's work produced when he was still alive, he never saw it (leading Deitch to say [[CreatorBacklash "Thank God!"]]). The story included a Princess for Bilbo to romance, and discarded many basic elements of the story, such as the dwarves. Gandalf ceased to play a part after they depart for the Lonely Mountain. Characters were renamed (Trolls became Groans, Goblins = Grablins, Gollum = Guloom) and the dragon Slag (not Smaug) is dispatched by Bilbo, the Princess and her retainers.

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* AshcanCopy: The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBnVL1Y2src 1966 short film]] directed by Gene Deitch, made was made for this purpose (more info [[http://genedeitchcredits.com/40-william-l-snyder/ here]]). According to Deitch it was screened only once in June 1966 to an audience of about six people to fulfill the part of the contract saying the film had to be shown in public. Despite being the ''only'' screen adaptation of Tolkien's work produced when he was still alive, he never saw it (leading Deitch to say [[CreatorBacklash "Thank God!"]]). The story included a Princess for Bilbo to romance, and discarded many basic elements of the story, such as the dwarves. Gandalf ceased to play a part after they depart for the Lonely Mountain. Characters were renamed (Trolls became Groans, Goblins = Grablins, Gollum = Guloom) and the dragon Slag (not Smaug) is dispatched by Bilbo, the Princess and her retainers.
18th Apr '17 5:01:22 PM OnGreenDolphinStreet
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* A [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBnVL1Y2src 1966 short film]] directed by Gene Deitch, made as an AshcanCopy (more info [[http://genedeitchcredits.com/40-william-l-snyder/ here]]). According to Deitch it was screened only once in June 1966 to an audience of about six people (to fulfill the part of the contract saying the film had to be shown in public). Despite being the ''only'' screen adaptation of Tolkien's work produced when he was still alive, he never saw it (leading Deitch to say [[CreatorBacklash "Thank God!"]]). The story included a Princess for Bilbo to romance, and discarded many basic elements of the story, such as the dwarves. Gandalf ceased to play a part after they depart for the Lonely Mountain. Characters were renamed (Trolls became Groans, Goblins = Grablins, Gollum = Guloom) and the dragon Slag (not Smaug) is dispatched by Bilbo, the Princess and her retainers.

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* A AshcanCopy: The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBnVL1Y2src 1966 short film]] directed by Gene Deitch, made as an AshcanCopy was made for this purpose (more info [[http://genedeitchcredits.com/40-william-l-snyder/ here]]). According to Deitch it was screened only once in June 1966 to an audience of about six people (to to fulfill the part of the contract saying the film had to be shown in public).public. Despite being the ''only'' screen adaptation of Tolkien's work produced when he was still alive, he never saw it (leading Deitch to say [[CreatorBacklash "Thank God!"]]). The story included a Princess for Bilbo to romance, and discarded many basic elements of the story, such as the dwarves. Gandalf ceased to play a part after they depart for the Lonely Mountain. Characters were renamed (Trolls became Groans, Goblins = Grablins, Gollum = Guloom) and the dragon Slag (not Smaug) is dispatched by Bilbo, the Princess and her retainers.
30th Mar '17 8:59:13 AM Cieloazul
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: ''The History of the Hobbit'' is full of these. For example, the first draft sets the story in the time of ''Literature/TheSilmarillion''; in another, Bilbo mentions China at one point, implying that the story is taking place in our world and not the Middle Earth; Beorn was originally called "Medwed" (Russian for "bear"), Gandalf's name was originally to be "Bladorthin", Thorin's name was originally to be Gandalf, Smaug was to be "Pryftan", and Bilbo's working first name was "Bingo". Plot-wise, the most drastic change was about Smaug, specifically that Bilbo killed him instead of Bard. The first time Bilbo infiltrated Smaug's lair, he would stab him through the bare spot in his chest with Sting (which went so deep it vanished completely), and then ''ride a golden bowl on the stream of blood pouring out of Smaug's wound'' before triumphantly exiting the mountain.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: ''The History of the Hobbit'' is full of these. For example, the
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first draft sets the story in the time of ''Literature/TheSilmarillion''; ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'', while in another, Bilbo mentions China and the Gobi Desert at one some point, implying that the story is taking takes place in our own world and not instead of the Middle Earth; Earth.
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Beorn was originally called "Medwed" (Russian for "bear"), Gandalf's name was originally to be "Bladorthin", Thorin's name was originally to be Gandalf, Smaug was to be "Pryftan", and Bilbo's working first name was "Bingo". "Bingo".
** Originally, Gollum bet his ring on the riddle game and freaked out after finding it was missing precisely because he couldn't keep his promise. He showed Bilbo the way out vountarily and they parted away in good terms. This idea actually became canon and were printed on the original 1937 to 1951 editions of the book. It was only changed after Tolkien decided to weld ''The Hobbit'' with ''The Lord of the Rings''.
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Plot-wise, the most drastic change was about Smaug, specifically that Bilbo killed him instead of Bard. The In the earliest draft, Bilbo killed Smaug with a spear while the dragon was sleeping, while in the second and most developed one, the first time Bilbo infiltrated Smaug's lair, lair he would stab him through the bare spot in his chest with Sting (which went so deep it vanished completely), and then ''ride a golden bowl on the stream of blood pouring out of Smaug's wound'' before triumphantly exiting the mountain.
mountain. Tolkien decided to change it and invented the character of Bard to kill Smaug in a slighty more credible way.
2nd Dec '16 9:31:22 AM SunriseWarrior
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!!''WesternAnimation/TheHobbit'' (animated)
19th Aug '16 10:25:27 AM Cieloazul
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: ''The History of the Hobbit'' is full of these. For example, the first draft sets the story in the time of ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'', Bilbo mentions China at one point, and Beorn was originally called Medwed (Russian for "bear"). Gandalf's name was originally to be "Bladorthin", Thorin's name was originally to be "Gandalf", Smaug was to be "Pryftan", and Bilbo's working name was "Bingo Baggins". Plot-wise, the most drastic change was about Smaug; specifically, that Bilbo killed him instead of Bard. The first time Bilbo infiltrated Smaug's lair, he would stab him through the bare spot in his chest with Sting (which went so deep it vanished completely), and then ''ride a golden bowl on the stream of blood pouring out of Smaug's wound'' before triumphantly exiting the mountain.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: ''The History of the Hobbit'' is full of these. For example, the first draft sets the story in the time of ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'', ''Literature/TheSilmarillion''; in another, Bilbo mentions China at one point, implying that the story is taking place in our world and not the Middle Earth; Beorn was originally called Medwed "Medwed" (Russian for "bear"). "bear"), Gandalf's name was originally to be "Bladorthin", Thorin's name was originally to be "Gandalf", Gandalf, Smaug was to be "Pryftan", and Bilbo's working first name was "Bingo Baggins". "Bingo". Plot-wise, the most drastic change was about Smaug; specifically, Smaug, specifically that Bilbo killed him instead of Bard. The first time Bilbo infiltrated Smaug's lair, he would stab him through the bare spot in his chest with Sting (which went so deep it vanished completely), and then ''ride a golden bowl on the stream of blood pouring out of Smaug's wound'' before triumphantly exiting the mountain.
26th Apr '16 4:36:58 PM Josef5678
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* FilkSong: Creator/LeonardNimoy's [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGF5ROpjRAU "The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins"]].
* OffModel: Tolkien always had a specific design for Gollum in mind, and tried his best to write of that in the text. The way he looks in the Peter Jackson films (and most book printings from the 60s onward) is pretty much how everyone expects Gollum to look. However, in the earliest printings of the book, the illustrators hired had very different ideas for Gollum's appearance, so [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness it can be strange to look through old printings]] and see Gollum [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f8/30/fc/f830fcbc16fb7ba25c181971365ddb80.jpg looking like a strange yeti]] in one printing, while looking [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/08/8a/37/088a37bc9a0494a721c392b54a087d7d.gif eel-like in another.]]
25th Apr '16 4:09:52 PM TheOneWhoTropes
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* HeyItsThatGuy: Plenty among the cast, including Brother Theodore (credited as just Theodore), John Huston, Otto Preminger, and Glenn Yarborough (sings "The Greatest Adventure"--he was later one of the West End [[ThePhantomOfTheOpera Phantoms]]).
* HeyItsThatVoice:
** Where to begin? [[DudleyDoRight Snidely Whiplash]] (or [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Disney/PeterPan Captain Hook]], if you prefer) as Thorin, [[RockyAndBullwinkle Boris Badenov]] as Bombur; [[TheSmurfs Papa Smurf]] as Balin and Lord of the Eagles, [[TheFlintstones Mr. Slate]] as Bard the Bowman and the Great Goblin.
** As (largely) [[ParentalBonus Parental Bonuses]]: [[HaveGunWillTravel Paladin]] as Smaug; the crusty town shopkeeper from [[DrQuinnMedicineWoman Dr Quinn, Medicine Woman]] as Bilbo, and the bad guy from [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/Chinatown Chinatown]] as Gandalf.
** [[Creator/ThurlRavenscroft Tony the Tiger]], on [[IAmTheBand multiple tracks]] to provide the singing voices for both the Goblin horde and the dwarves.
6th Mar '16 1:23:10 PM Cieloazul
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!!''Film/TheHobbitTheBattleOfTheFiveArmies''

* WordOfGod: The actor playing Azog and the Warg Matriarch have InterspeciesFriendship in real life.

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!!''Film/TheHobbitTheBattleOfTheFiveArmies''

* WordOfGod: The actor playing Azog and the Warg Matriarch have InterspeciesFriendship in real life.
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7th Feb '16 7:58:54 AM Freshmeat
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* BreakthroughHit: The success of ''The Hobbit'' encouraged Creator/JRRTolkien to write a much larger novel about Middle-Earth, which turned out to be his MagnumOpus ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings''.

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* BreakthroughHit: The success of ''The Hobbit'' encouraged Creator/JRRTolkien to write a much larger novel about Middle-Earth, which turned out to be his MagnumOpus ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings''.
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