History Trivia / StarTrekDeepSpaceNine

5th Feb '16 6:03:03 AM hamonrye
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** Behr has [[TheMovieBuff a classic movie fetish. Nearly all his scripts include a nod (or two) to some distant western, gangster, or war movie. Even the prescient "Homefront"/"Paradise Lost" is largely Behr riffing on ''Literature/SevenDaysInMay''.\\\
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** Behr has [[TheMovieBuff a classic movie fetish.fetish]]. Nearly all his scripts include a nod (or two) to some distant western, gangster, or war movie. Even the prescient "Homefront"/"Paradise Lost" is largely Behr riffing on ''Literature/SevenDaysInMay''.\\\
5th Feb '16 6:02:54 AM hamonrye
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** Behr is a [[TheMovieBuff movie buff]]; nearly all his scripts include a nod (or two) to some distant western, gangster, or war movie. Behr has a classic movie fetish in general. Even the prescient "Homefront"/"Paradise Lost" is largely Behr riffing on ''Literature/SevenDaysInMay''.\\\
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** Behr is a has [[TheMovieBuff a classic movie buff]]; nearly fetish. Nearly all his scripts include a nod (or two) to some distant western, gangster, or war movie. Behr has a classic movie fetish in general.movie. Even the prescient "Homefront"/"Paradise Lost" is largely Behr riffing on ''Literature/SevenDaysInMay''.\\\
5th Feb '16 6:02:17 AM hamonrye
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** Behr is a [[TheMovieBuff movie buff]]; nearly all his scripts include a nod (or two) to some distant western or war movie. He also tended to hire lots of old hands from Hollywood ([=HITGs=] of another generation) who never really made it big, Darren included.
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** Behr is a [[TheMovieBuff movie buff]]; nearly all his scripts include a nod (or two) to some distant western western, gangster, or war movie.movie. Behr has a classic movie fetish in general. Even the prescient "Homefront"/"Paradise Lost" is largely Behr riffing on ''Literature/SevenDaysInMay''.\\\ He also tended to hire lots of old hands from Hollywood ([=HITGs=] of another generation) who never really made it big, Darren included.
1st Feb '16 5:30:37 PM hamonrye
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: ** The producers briefly toyed with the idea of making [=DS9=] a land-based show (as opposed to space station-based one), but the costs of location shooting proved prohibitive. ** Much like with Voyager's premise, ideas were pitched around on how to [[ResetButton soft reset]] [=DS9=] into a traditional ''Star Trek'' show if the fans didn't take to it. This might be why "Emissary" established that the station is capable of reducing its mass in order to move; according to Behr, it was suggested that the crew strap engines onto [=DS9=] and [[http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/05/exclusive-ron-moore-ira-steven-behr-interview-part-ii/ fly into the wormhole.]] ** Other spitballed ideas, according to Moore, were blowing up Bajor or removing the crew from [=DS9=] in some way. Berman hatched the idea of bringing back Worf to shut the executives up. ** Michelle Forbes, playing the part of Ensign Ro, was originally supposed to be ''Deep Space Nine'''s token Bajoran in the cast. Forbes didn't want to commit to a full television series, so the new character of Major Kira was created. Ro would end up serving as the station's chief of security in the [[Literature/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineRelaunch relaunch novels]], however. ** Contrary to popular belief, Sisko was not written to be black. The producers auditioned actors from all over, including (according to Brooks) one from Belgium. In fact, Alexander Siddig originally tried out for the part of Sisko(!), but was turned down for being too young. ** More understandably, Andrew Robinson tried out for the part of Odo. ** Creator/ClintHoward's part in "Past Tense" was originally going to be Iggy Pop, but he wasn't yet available. ** Tim Ransom (Jack the Augment) had previously auditioned for a number of roles in ''Star Trek'' unsuccessfully, including that of Bashir. *** Hilary Shepherd Turner (Lauren) also tried out for the role of Jadzia. This is referenced is "Chrysalis" when she turns up in a Starfleet sciences uniform. Alarmingly enough, she is a dead ringer for the dearly departed Trill! *** Originally, Jack, not Sarina, was the one who was going to be 'cured' in "Chrysalis". Behr decided that the story lacked bite, and sent a message that quirky or handicapped people need to be fixed. So Sarina underwent the treatment instead. She gains a normal life but loses the companionship of her friends, who are still 'in treatment' (imprisoned) at the Institute. ** Bashir, the [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] in residence, was nearly axed from the show numerous times. Siddig didn't even know about this until well into the fourth year. ** In an early version of what would become "Invasive Procedures", Dax's symbiont becomes ill and Bashir has to temporarily remove it. With Dax gone, all that's left is the original Jadzia who--irony of ironies--falls hard for Dr. Bashir. The episode would have ended with Bashir trading his chance at love to keep Dax joined. ** Melora (from the eponymous season 2 episode) was meant to be the permanent science officer, but was replaced with Dax and reused as a one-off guest character, thus cheating poor Bashir out of a romantic interest yet again. ** According to rumor, the showrunners considered making Gul Dukat a member of the main cast. Alaimo was all for it, but it was shot down by Ira. ("I don't want him to become the [[VillainDecay friendly neighborhood Cardassian]].") Instead, Dukat remained an enemy commander who frequently cons the [=DS9=] gang into working with him. ** T'Rul (Martha Hackett), the Romulan woman mandated by her government to supervise the Defiant's cloaking device, was supposed to stay on for more episodes. The writers didn't know what to do with her or what role she could have beyond the cloaking device, so she vanished. ** Martin Sheen was considered for the part of Luther Sloan. He would go on to lend his voice [[InkSuitActor and appearance]] to a similar character in ''VideoGame/MassEffect2''. ** In the TNG crossover "Birthright", Dax was slated to film some scenes on the ''Enterprise-D'' set with Data, but a scheduling conflict dashed that idea. Bashir went over in her place. The episode she filmed instead? The execrable "Move Along Home". According to Terry Farrell (a lifelong Trekkie), she "cried." ** Ira Behr tried and failed to get a Vic Fontaine-like character onto the show for years. Frank Sinatra Jr. was approached first, but as he would be playing a Rat Packer jazz artist (and thus be misconstrued for [[Music/FrankSinatra his father]]), he wasn't interested in playing that type of character. Robert Goulet and Tom Jones also turned the part down. ** The Vorta were originally going to be space traders instead of diplomats; sort of rugged, "Brian Dennehy or Creator/BobHoskins" looking types. Robert Hewitt Wolfe elaborated that these Vorta were {{arms dealer}}s, the guys who supplied tanks, or guns, or genetically-engineered soldiers like the Tosk. This eventually led to the Vorta being bred from hatcheries themselves. ** Robert Hewitt Wolfe planned to end "Second Skin" on an AmbiguousCloneEnding, with Bashir unable to determine whether Kira [[YouAreWhatYouHate is actually a Cardassian]]. This left open the possibility that Kira was unknowingly a Cardassian agent all along, and that the Obsidian Order had been telling the truth. ** When the Dominion invaded Federation space, Vulcan was pitched as one of the occupied planets. Ron Moore commented that Vulcan "carried too much weight," so [[CListFodder Betazed got thrown overboard]] instead. Ironically, J.J. Abrams would happily blow Vulcan to smithereens in [[Film/StarTrek the 2009 movie]]. In an even more ironic decision, he blew Vulcan to smithereens for ''precisely'' the same reason that Ron Moore ''didn't'' have it occupied: it showed how serious things were, and that things were not going to be the same again. ** While "Trials and Tribble-ations" is regarded as one of the best episodes of the series and a fitting 30th Anniversary for the franchise, there were numerous other ideas which were tossed around. One was the return of EnfantTerrible Charles Evans from the TOS episode "Charlie X", most likely seeking revenge in a manner similar to Barry Waddle. Another was having the Deep Space Nine crew visit the mobster planet from "A Piece of the Action", where they find that the inhabitants have [[YouAreTheNewTrend gone on to emulate Starfleet]] as a commentary on ''Star Trek'' fandom. ** The writers originally toyed with the idea of killing off Jadzia Dax in the Season 6 episode "Change of Heart" rather than in "Tears of the Prophets", the season finale. The idea was that Jadzia would manage to convince Worf to continue their mission without her and leave her behind, in which case she certainly would have died. Worf would then have had even ''more'' angst than he ended up with to work through in the final season, having lost his wife out of choosing his career over her. Terry Farrell (Jadzia) was on board with it, but they ended up not going through with the idea. ** Terry was contacted about reprising her role in "What You Leave Behind" (presumably in a scene with Ezri). The price her agent quoted was too prohibitive, and the scene was cut. The producers then meekly asked to use old footage of Jadzia for the montage at the end. No dice. But Terry did turn up for the [=DS9=] wrap party. ** The decision to ship Kira to Cardassia had a domino effect on the rest of the seventh season. Garak went along as backup, and Ira Behr didn't want to split Kira and Odo up, so Odo went, too. Originally, Odo was going to spearhead the search for a cure for the Changeling plague, culminating in a reunion with his "father" Dr. Mora [[ArchnemesisDad who was actually responsible for engineering the virus as a weapon]]. The writers knew they would never have time to do this storyline justice, so Bashir and O'Brien went looking for a cure instead. ** The cast hoped there would be a movie spinoff at some point (the [=TN=]G films still being successful at the time of [=DS=]9 ending) but the failure of ''Nemesis'' put paid to that idea. Any hopes of resurrecting the project would seem over - the actors have all seriously aged out of the roles (at the time of writing, it's been fourteen years since the show went off the air). The 2006 auction at Christies where a huge number of props (including the "hero" model of the station itself), costumes and other items from the series were sold off made it even less likely and the 2009 reboot of the entire ''Star Trek'' franchise would seem to be the final nail in the coffin. One person who doesn't seem to mind is Alexander Siddig, who believes [=DS9=] deserved to be '[[BritishBrevity put to bed]]' and can stand on its own merits. Nana Visitor, however, thought the show had a lot more mileage left. (Mostly, though, she wishes she could have had one year of [[http://www.startrek.com/article/ds9s-major-kira-nerys-nana-visitor-part-2 running the station!]]) ** On the subject on spin-offs, there was apparently [[http://www.littlereview.com/getcritical/trektalk/darren.htm talks between CBS and James Darren for a Vic Fontaine show]] that would happen exclusively in the 60s. Darren was in but it is safe to say it never went anywhere. ** Vic Fontaine was also supposed to get a physical girlfriend but they never found the time for that plot.
21st Jan '16 4:14:01 PM hamonrye
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*** At Alixus' urging, Dr. Sakai tries to seduce Ben Sikso in "Paradise".
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*** At Alixus' urging, Dr. Sakai tries to seduce Ben Sikso Sisko in "Paradise".
21st Jan '16 4:13:43 PM hamonrye
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*** At Alixus' urging, Dr. Sakai tries to seduce Ben Sikso in "Paradise".
19th Jan '16 11:18:19 AM nombretomado
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** Michelle Forbes, playing the part of Ensign Ro, was originally supposed to be ''Deep Space Nine'''s token Bajoran in the cast. Forbes didn't want to commit to a full television series, so the new character of Major Kira was created. Ro would end up serving as the station's chief of security in the [[StarTrekDeepSpaceNineRelaunch relaunch novels]], however.
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** Michelle Forbes, playing the part of Ensign Ro, was originally supposed to be ''Deep Space Nine'''s token Bajoran in the cast. Forbes didn't want to commit to a full television series, so the new character of Major Kira was created. Ro would end up serving as the station's chief of security in the [[StarTrekDeepSpaceNineRelaunch [[Literature/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineRelaunch relaunch novels]], however.
18th Jan '16 10:58:05 AM SpectralTime
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** Weyoun dies (for the first time) in "To the Death". The producers loved Combs' performance and tried to save him, but before they knew it his death scene was already filmed! Behr and the others agreed that something had to be done, and so the Vorta were retconned into a clone race. Easy peasey. He's a bad guy you can kill over and over again: the joke is that he keeps dying and coming right back, even in the same episode, with Damar ("Well hellooooo....") lampshading that nobody can kill ''him'' [[PlotArmor because he's a semi-regular and can only be killed once.]]
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** Weyoun dies (for the first time) in "To the Death". The producers loved Combs' performance and tried to save him, but before they knew it his death scene was already filmed! Behr and the others agreed that something had to be done, and so the Vorta were retconned into a clone race. Easy peasey. He's a bad guy you can kill over and over again: the joke is that he keeps dying and coming right back, even in the same episode, with Damar ("Well hellooooo....") lampshading that nobody can kill ''him'' [[PlotArmor because he's a semi-regular and can only be killed once.]]once]].

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** Weyoun dies (for Inverted in "Take Me Out To the first time) in "To the Death". The producers loved Combs' performance and tried to save him, but Holosuite." Max Grodénchik was actually a successful semi-professional baseball player who seriously considered going pro before they knew it his death scene was already filmed! Behr and the others agreed becoming an actor instead. The reason Rom plays left-handed in that something had to be done, and so episode despite not being TheSouthpaw in the Vorta were retconned into a clone race. Easy peasey. He's a bad guy you can kill over and over again: rest of the joke show is that he keeps dying and coming right back, even in Max simply ''couldn't play badly enough'' to convincingly portray the same episode, with Damar ("Well hellooooo....") lampshading that nobody can kill ''him'' [[PlotArmor because he's a semi-regular and can only be killed once.]]worst player on the team any other way.
17th Jan '16 5:41:20 PM hamonrye
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** [=DS9=] was explicitly forbidden from using the ''Sovereign''-class ship from the TNG movies in order to make them seem more special. In-universe explanation is that for a significant portion of the war, the ''Enterprise-E'' was actually the flagship of the fleet, deployed only to protect Earth.
16th Jan '16 2:59:14 AM StFan
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* {{Hey Its That Voice}}: ** Jeffrey Combs would later become the voice of [[{{Justice League Unlimited}} The Question]], as well as [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries the actually scary Scarecrow]], [[WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime Rachet]], [[WesternAnimation/AvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes The Leader]], and [[WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012 the Rat King]].
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* {{Hey Its That Voice}}: HeyItsThatVoice: ** Jeffrey Combs would later become the voice of [[{{Justice League Unlimited}} The Question]], as well as [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries the actually scary Scarecrow]], [[WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime Rachet]], [[WesternAnimation/AvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes [[WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes The Leader]], and [[WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012 the Rat King]].
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