History Trivia / IronFist2017

21st Mar '18 12:18:16 PM AmuckCricetine
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* DearNegativeReader: Creator/FinnJones has been defensive about the negative reaction towards the series, from saying that critics don't "get it" and that [[ItsNotSupposedToWinOscars the show isn't made for them, but for the fans]] (ignoring the same critics' positive reception of [[Series/Daredevil2015 previous]] [[Series/JessicaJones2015 Marvel]] [[Series/LukeCage2016 shows]]) to saying that the unpopularity comes from the presidency of Donald Trump and his superficial similarities to Danny. Making that last one especially weird is that it's Harold Meachum far more than Danny who's likely to remind people of Donald Trump.

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* DearNegativeReader: Creator/FinnJones has been defensive about the negative reaction towards the series, from saying that critics don't "get it" and that [[ItsNotSupposedToWinOscars the show isn't made for them, but for the fans]] (ignoring the same critics' positive reception of [[Series/Daredevil2015 previous]] [[Series/JessicaJones2015 Marvel]] [[Series/LukeCage2016 shows]]) to saying that the unpopularity comes from the presidency of Donald Trump and his superficial similarities to Danny. Making that last one especially weird is that it's Harold Meachum far more than Danny who's likely to remind people of Donald Trump.UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump.



* TroubledProduction: The shooting schedule was so insanely tight that Creator/FinnJones was often given his fight choreography just ''fifteen minutes'' before filming started. This certainly helps explain the many complaints about his unconvincing fighting.

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* TroubledProduction: The first season had a shooting schedule was so insanely tight that Creator/FinnJones was often given his fight choreography just ''fifteen minutes'' before filming started. started[[note]]Of course, learning the choreography right before shooting a scene isn't unique to ''Iron Fist''; Creator/CharlieCox and Creator/ElodieYung have discussed how they had to learn fights pass by pass as they shot ''Series/Daredevil2015'' season 2 because of the fast turnaround time. The differentiating factor is that Charlie Cox has a background in stage combat, plus had plenty of time to train and prepare in general building on his training from ''Daredevil'' season 1, and Elodie Yung is a black belt martial artist, so their combined experience shows in the final product. With Finn Jones in ''Iron Fist'', the time between him landing the role and starting production was ridiculously short, and he didn't have as much fight training/background to fall back on, on top of the general difficulties the stunt team had with the creative team on executing their vision.[[/note]] This certainly helps explain the many complaints about his unconvincing fighting.fighting. Fortunately, ''Series/TheDefenders2017'' would greatly redeem many of the reservations people had about Danny's skill due to being helmed by Marco Ramirez and Doug Petrie, the showrunners from season 2 of ''Series/Daredevil2015'', instead of the notorious Scott Buck.
25th Jan '18 1:54:49 AM nirao01
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** When Harold talks with Joy about going away to someplace nice and taking a family vacation, he says "I've always wanted to go to Australia." David Wenham is Australian.
** Harold sings "Danny Boy" to a strapped-down Danny. A villain in ''Film/TheProposition'', where David Wenham played a rival antagonist, sings the same song to a helpless victim.

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** When Harold talks with Joy about going away to someplace nice and taking a family vacation, he says "I've always wanted to go to Australia." David Wenham Creator/DavidWenham is Australian.
** Harold sings "Danny Boy" to a strapped-down Danny. A villain in ''Film/TheProposition'', where David Wenham Creator/DavidWenham played a rival antagonist, sings the same song to a helpless victim.



* BillingDisplacement: Briefly. The day after the show premiered, Netflix replaced Danny Rand with Colleen Wing on its selectable icon, most likely because early critical reviews raved about her while Finn Jones was criticized. After the audience reviews proved to be more positive, they switched it back.
* CreatorBacklash: Upon the release of ''The Defenders'', Charlie Cox and Finn Jones were given some IGN comments to read, including one complaining about Iron Fist not having his costume. His reply: "I get it. You want to see the costume, I want to see the costume. So keep complaining to Marvel and Netflix and maybe you'll get it."
* DearNegativeReader: Finn Jones has been defensive about the negative reaction towards the series, from saying that critics don't "get it" and that [[ItsNotSupposedToWinOscars the show isn't made for them, but for the fans]] (ignoring the same critics' positive reception of [[Series/Daredevil2015 previous]] [[Series/JessicaJones2015 Marvel]] [[Series/LukeCage2016 shows]]) to saying that the unpopularity comes from the presidency of Donald Trump and his superficial similarities to Danny. Making that last one especially weird is that it's Harold Meachum far more than Danny who's likely to remind people of Donald Trump.

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* BillingDisplacement: Briefly. The day after the show premiered, Netflix replaced Danny Rand with Colleen Wing on its selectable icon, most likely because early critical reviews raved about her while Finn Jones Creator/FinnJones was criticized. After the audience reviews proved to be more positive, they switched it back.
* CreatorBacklash: Upon the release of ''The Defenders'', Charlie Cox Creator/CharlieCox and Finn Jones Creator/FinnJones were given some IGN comments to read, including one complaining about Iron Fist not having his costume. His reply: "I get it. You want to see the costume, I want to see the costume. So keep complaining to Marvel and Netflix and maybe you'll get it."
* DearNegativeReader: Finn Jones Creator/FinnJones has been defensive about the negative reaction towards the series, from saying that critics don't "get it" and that [[ItsNotSupposedToWinOscars the show isn't made for them, but for the fans]] (ignoring the same critics' positive reception of [[Series/Daredevil2015 previous]] [[Series/JessicaJones2015 Marvel]] [[Series/LukeCage2016 shows]]) to saying that the unpopularity comes from the presidency of Donald Trump and his superficial similarities to Danny. Making that last one especially weird is that it's Harold Meachum far more than Danny who's likely to remind people of Donald Trump.



** Brits Finn Jones and Jessica Henwick as Danny Rand and Colleen Wing.
** Australian David Wenham as Harold Meachum.

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** Brits Finn Jones Creator/FinnJones and Jessica Henwick Creator/JessicaHenwick as Danny Rand and Colleen Wing.
** Australian David Wenham Creator/DavidWenham as Harold Meachum.



* SeparatedAtBirthCasting: Tom Pelphrey, who plays Ward Meachum, has a pretty similar facial build to David Wenham, who plays Harold Meachum.

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* SeparatedAtBirthCasting: Tom Pelphrey, Creator/TomPelphrey, who plays Ward Meachum, has a pretty similar facial build to David Wenham, Creator/DavidWenham, who plays Harold Meachum.



** Finn Jones and Jessica Henwick previously worked on ''Series/GameOfThrones'', although neither of them shared scenes.
** Tom Pelphrey and Hoon Lee were castmates on ''Series/{{Banshee}}''.

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** Finn Jones Creator/FinnJones and Jessica Henwick Creator/JessicaHenwick previously worked on ''Series/GameOfThrones'', although neither of them shared scenes.
** Tom Pelphrey Creator/TomPelphrey and Hoon Lee were castmates on ''Series/{{Banshee}}''.



* TroubledProduction: The shooting schedule was so insanely tight that Finn Jones was often given his fight choreography just ''fifteen minutes'' before filming started. This certainly helps explain the many complaints about his unconvincing fighting.

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* TroubledProduction: The shooting schedule was so insanely tight that Finn Jones Creator/FinnJones was often given his fight choreography just ''fifteen minutes'' before filming started. This certainly helps explain the many complaints about his unconvincing fighting.



*** [[https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/712jlm/lewis_tan_done_fed_up_aaron/dn7sq93/ This has been disputed by one anonymous insider on Reddit]], who says that Finn Jones and Ryan Phillipe were the top picks and Lewis Tan was never considered for Danny.
** Early word was that Marvel was looking to cast Shang-Chi, another martial arts superhero, as a "rival" to Danny Rand. Then Lewis Tan shows up as a charismatic Bruce Lee-looking martial artist working for the villains but with redemptive potential, seemingly the perfect setup for Shang-Chi, but nothing came of it.

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*** [[https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/712jlm/lewis_tan_done_fed_up_aaron/dn7sq93/ This has been disputed by one anonymous insider on Reddit]], who says that Finn Jones Creator/FinnJones and Ryan Phillipe were the top picks and Lewis Tan was never considered for Danny.
** Early word was that Marvel was looking to cast Shang-Chi, another martial arts superhero, as a "rival" to Danny Rand. Then Lewis Tan shows up as a charismatic Bruce Lee-looking Creator/BruceLee-looking martial artist working for the villains but with redemptive potential, seemingly the perfect setup for Shang-Chi, but nothing came of it.
2nd Dec '17 8:35:10 AM ClintEastwood
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** Plans to bring Iron Fist to live-action are over a decade in the making, with Ray Park once in the running to play Danny Rand.

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** Plans to bring Iron Fist to live-action are over a decade in the making, with Ray Park Creator/RayPark once in the running to play Danny Rand.



* TooSoon: Star Finn Jones has claimed at least some of the negative response to the show stems from lingering backlash over the election of UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump, another wealthy white man who obtained a powerful position several people found him unqualified to hold.

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* TooSoon: Star Finn Jones Creator/FinnJones has claimed at least some of the negative response to the show stems from lingering backlash over the election of UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump, another wealthy white man who obtained a powerful position several people found him unqualified to hold.



** Asian actor Lewis Tan allegedly auditioned for the role of Danny Rand. He eventually got the part of the villain Zhou Cheng. Besides him, it was reported Marvel ''were'' interested in casting an Asian-American lead and were looking at an Asian-American showrunner due to difficulty finding someone to take the project, until Scott Buck was hired and Finn Jones was cast.

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** Asian actor Lewis Tan allegedly auditioned for the role of Danny Rand. He eventually got the part of the villain Zhou Cheng. Besides him, it was reported Marvel ''were'' interested in casting an Asian-American lead and were looking at an Asian-American showrunner due to difficulty finding someone to take the project, until Scott Buck was hired and Finn Jones Creator/FinnJones was cast.
24th Sep '17 2:59:35 PM SorPepita
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*** [[https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/712jlm/lewis_tan_done_fed_up_aaron/dn7sq93/ This has been disputed by one anonymous insider on Reddit]], who says that Finn Jones and Creator/RyanPhillipe were the top picks and Lewis Tan was never considered for Danny.

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*** [[https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/712jlm/lewis_tan_done_fed_up_aaron/dn7sq93/ This has been disputed by one anonymous insider on Reddit]], who says that Finn Jones and Creator/RyanPhillipe Ryan Phillipe were the top picks and Lewis Tan was never considered for Danny.
19th Sep '17 12:15:03 PM dmcreif
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** Asian actor Lewis Tan auditioned for the role of Danny Rand. He eventually got the part of the villain Zhou Cheng. Besides him, it was reported Marvel ''were'' interested in casting an Asian-American lead and were looking at an Asian-American showrunner due to difficulty finding someone to take the project, until Scott Buck was hired and Finn Jones was cast.

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** Asian actor Lewis Tan allegedly auditioned for the role of Danny Rand. He eventually got the part of the villain Zhou Cheng. Besides him, it was reported Marvel ''were'' interested in casting an Asian-American lead and were looking at an Asian-American showrunner due to difficulty finding someone to take the project, until Scott Buck was hired and Finn Jones was cast.cast.
***[[https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/712jlm/lewis_tan_done_fed_up_aaron/dn7sq93/ This has been disputed by one anonymous insider on Reddit]], who says that Finn Jones and Creator/RyanPhillipe were the top picks and Lewis Tan was never considered for Danny.
26th Aug '17 8:52:40 PM Pren
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* CreatorBacklash: Upon the release of ''The Defenders'', Charlie Cox and Finn Jones were given some site comments to read, including one complaining about Iron Fist not having his costume. His reply: "I get it. You want to see the costume, I want to see the costume. So keep complaining to Marvel and Netflix and maybe you'll get it."

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* CreatorBacklash: Upon the release of ''The Defenders'', Charlie Cox and Finn Jones were given some site IGN comments to read, including one complaining about Iron Fist not having his costume. His reply: "I get it. You want to see the costume, I want to see the costume. So keep complaining to Marvel and Netflix and maybe you'll get it."
21st Aug '17 9:05:26 AM Pren
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* CreatorBacklash: Upon the release of ''The Defenders'', Charlie Cox and Finn Jones were given some site comments to read, including one complaining about Iron Fist not having his costume. His reply: "I get it. You want to see the costume, I want to see the costume. So keep complaining to Marvel and Netflix and maybe you'll get it."
18th May '17 1:14:54 PM dsneybuf
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* TooSoon: Star Finn Jones has claimed at least some of the negative response to the show stems from lingering backlash over the election of UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump. ''The AV Club'' later went into [[http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/iron-fist-raises-question-danny-rand-donald-trump--252350 further detail]] about why this would make the show hard to praise.

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* TooSoon: Star Finn Jones has claimed at least some of the negative response to the show stems from lingering backlash over the election of UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump. ''The AV Club'' later went into [[http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/iron-fist-raises-question-danny-rand-donald-trump--252350 further detail]] about why this would make the show hard UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump, another wealthy white man who obtained a powerful position several people found him unqualified to praise.hold.
30th Apr '17 8:53:30 PM GargusSCP
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** The show was originally going to be the third of the Netflix series to premiere. Then when Luke Cage became a BreakoutCharacter in ''Series/JessicaJones2015'', Marvel decided to swap [[Series/LukeCage2016 his show's]] spot with this one to ride off the popularity. This wound up working in the show's favor as it allowed ''Film/DoctorStrange2016'' and ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' to introduce the mystical elements to the MCU before the premiere.

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** The show was originally going to be the third of the Netflix series to premiere. Then when Luke Cage became a BreakoutCharacter in ''Series/JessicaJones2015'', Marvel decided to swap [[Series/LukeCage2016 his show's]] spot with this one to ride off the popularity. This wound up working in against the show's favor show, as it allowed ''Film/DoctorStrange2016'' and ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' to introduce the mystical elements to the MCU before the premiere.premiere, only for the show to largely exorcise most of those mystical elements from an active role.
22nd Apr '17 8:10:49 AM dsneybuf
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* TooSoon: Star Finn Jones has claimed at least some of the negative response to the show stems from lingering backlash over the election of UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump.

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* TooSoon: Star Finn Jones has claimed at least some of the negative response to the show stems from lingering backlash over the election of UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump. ''The AV Club'' later went into [[http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/iron-fist-raises-question-danny-rand-donald-trump--252350 further detail]] about why this would make the show hard to praise.
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