History Trivia / HonorHarrington

2nd Apr '17 7:35:09 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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* IKnewIt: The end of ''Mission of Honor'' features [[spoiler: Haven and Manticore allying against Manpower and the Solarian League]]. This had been predicted by many readers.
16th Mar '17 9:09:31 PM Occidensill
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The Honorverse was originally going to be timeskipped several decades, following the death of its namesake character. Her children would have continued the action. The Creator/EricFlint collaboration ''Crown of Slaves'' nixed this original plan; its espionage plot ended up fast-forwarding the conflict by putting pressure on the Mesans to enact their plan early. As a happy side effect, Honor was spared, cutting off what would probably have been the [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks greatest fan rebellion]] in modern Sci-Fi literature.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The Honorverse was originally going to be timeskipped several decades, following the death of its namesake character.character during the climax of ''At All Costs''. Her children would have continued the action. The Creator/EricFlint collaboration ''Crown of Slaves'' nixed this original plan; its espionage plot ended up fast-forwarding the conflict by putting pressure on the Mesans to enact their plan early. As a happy side effect, Honor was spared, cutting off what would probably have been the [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks greatest fan rebellion]] in modern Sci-Fi literature.
2nd Feb '17 8:25:27 PM Nohbody
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* ScienceMarchesOn: Impeller signatures can be detected FTL. Since [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_gravity#Possible_experimental_measurements a widely reported experiment in 2002]] supported the idea that gravitational waves travel at light speed, ''War of Honor'' explains that this works thanks to an echo off of hyperspace and not via direct detection. And then the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_observation_of_gravitational_waves direct detection of the gravity waves in late 2015]], which without doubt proved their compliance to the lightspeed limit, definitely moved the matter into the realm of fiction.
* ShoutOut: Dr. Janet Frazier in ''At All Costs'' is an obvious nod to Dr. Janet Fraiser of ''Series/StargateSG1''. Weber confirms this in an interview and explains that he was upset when the character was killed off in the show and decided to bring her back.

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* ScienceMarchesOn: Impeller signatures can be detected FTL. Since [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_gravity#Possible_experimental_measurements a widely reported experiment in 2002]] supported the idea that gravitational waves travel at light speed, ''War of Honor'' explains that this works thanks to an echo off of hyperspace and not via direct detection. And then the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_observation_of_gravitational_waves direct detection of the gravity waves in late 2015]], which without doubt proved their compliance to the lightspeed limit, definitely moved the matter into the realm of fiction.
fiction, requiring a {{retcon}} of the FTL tech from direct detection into the gravitational waves giving off the [[AppliedPhlebotinum "echo" along the edge of hyperspace]], which ''does'' propagate FTL.
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Dr. Janet Frazier in ''At All Costs'' is an obvious nod to Dr. Janet Fraiser of ''Series/StargateSG1''. Weber confirms this in an interview and explains that he was upset when the character was killed off in the show and decided to bring her back.
17th Sep '16 2:24:55 PM YT45
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* Honor's actions in ''The Short Victorious War'', assuming command of the fleet after her admiral is incapacitated, rather than having an admiral aboard another ship assume command during a key moment in the pitched battle, is likely based on the actions of US Navy [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_McCandless Lieutenant Commander Bruce McCandless]] aboard the heavy cruiser USS ''San Francisco'' (CA-38) during the [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII Naval Battle of Guadalcanal.]] Like Honor, Commander [=McCandless=] was decorated for his actions rather than court martialled. With the death of Admiral Dan Callaghan, Captain Cassin Young, and ''San Francisco'''s XO (as well as Admiral Norman Scott aboard USS ''Atlanta'', accidentally struck down by friendly fire from ''San Francisco'', nobody was aware of it in the confusion except a few survivors on ''Atlanta'''s bridge), the US fleet was in disarray. He was not the seniormost surviving officer aboard ''San Francisco''. The senior surviving officer aboard was Lieutenant Commander Herbert Schonland, the ship's Damage Control Officer. Schonland was far too busy keeping the crippled cruiser afloat, and told [=McCandless=] to "carry out the Admiral's orders," effectively giving command to [=McCandless=] (though necessary, this could have been interpreted as Dereliction of Duty and/or Deserting his Post In the Face of the Enemy for Schonland). When the fighting subsided, Captain Gil Hoover of the light cruiser USS ''Helena'' took command of the remaining ships as the senior surviving officer afloat. Though costly, the battle was a victory for the Americans, and [=McCandless=] and Schonland's actions saved ''San Francisco'', with both men receiving the Medal of Honor.

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* Honor's actions in ''The Short Victorious War'', assuming command of the fleet after her admiral is incapacitated, rather than having an admiral aboard another ship assume command during a key moment in the pitched battle, is likely based on the actions of US Navy [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_McCandless Lieutenant Commander Bruce McCandless]] aboard the heavy cruiser USS ''San Francisco'' (CA-38) during the [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII Naval Battle of Guadalcanal.]] Like Honor, Commander [=McCandless=] was decorated for his actions rather than court martialled. With the death of Admiral Dan Callaghan, Captain Cassin Young, and ''San Francisco'''s XO (as well as Admiral Norman Scott aboard USS ''Atlanta'', accidentally struck down by friendly fire from ''San Francisco'', nobody was immediately aware of it in the confusion except a few survivors on ''Atlanta'''s bridge), the men who found Scott's body), the US fleet was in disarray. He was not the seniormost surviving officer aboard ''San Francisco''. The senior surviving officer aboard was Lieutenant Commander Herbert Schonland, the ship's Damage Control Officer. Schonland was far too busy keeping the crippled cruiser afloat, and told [=McCandless=] to "carry out the Admiral's orders," effectively giving command to [=McCandless=] (though necessary, this could have been interpreted as Dereliction of Duty and/or Deserting his Post In the Face of the Enemy for Schonland). When the fighting subsided, Captain Gil Hoover of the light cruiser USS ''Helena'' took command of the remaining ships as the senior surviving officer afloat. Though costly, the battle was a victory for the Americans, and [=McCandless=] and Schonland's actions saved ''San Francisco'', with both men receiving the Medal of Honor.
17th Sep '16 2:23:46 PM YT45
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* Honor's actions in ''The Short Victorious War'', assuming command of the fleet after her admiral is incapacitated, rather than having an admiral aboard another ship assume command during a key moment in the pitched battle, is likely based on the actions of US Navy [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_McCandless Lieutenant Commander Bruce McCandless]] aboard the heavy cruiser USS ''San Francisco'' (CA-38) during the [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII Naval Battle of Guadalcanal.]] Like Honor, Commander [=McCandless=] was decorated for his actions rather than court martialled. With the death of Admiral Dan Callaghan, Captain Cassin Young, and ''San Francisco'''s XO (as well as Admiral Norman Scott aboard USS ''Atlanta'', accidentally struck down by friendly fire from ''San Francisco''), the US fleet was in disarray. He was not the seniormost surviving officer aboard ''San Francisco''. The senior surviving officer was Lieutenant Commander Herbert Schonland, the ship's Damage Control Officer. Schonland was far too busy keeping the crippled cruiser afloat, and told [=McCandless=] to "carry out the Admiral's orders," effectively giving command to [=McCandless=] (though necessary, this could have been interpreted as Dereliction of Duty and/or Deserting his Post In the Face of the Enemy for Schonland). When the fighting subsided, Captain Gil Hoover of the light cruiser USS ''Helena'' took command of the remaining ships as the senior surviving officer afloat. Though costly, the battle was a victory for the Americans, and [=McCandless=] and Schonland's actions saved ''San Francisco'', with both men receiving the Medal of Honor.

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* Honor's actions in ''The Short Victorious War'', assuming command of the fleet after her admiral is incapacitated, rather than having an admiral aboard another ship assume command during a key moment in the pitched battle, is likely based on the actions of US Navy [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_McCandless Lieutenant Commander Bruce McCandless]] aboard the heavy cruiser USS ''San Francisco'' (CA-38) during the [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII Naval Battle of Guadalcanal.]] Like Honor, Commander [=McCandless=] was decorated for his actions rather than court martialled. With the death of Admiral Dan Callaghan, Captain Cassin Young, and ''San Francisco'''s XO (as well as Admiral Norman Scott aboard USS ''Atlanta'', accidentally struck down by friendly fire from ''San Francisco''), Francisco'', nobody was aware of it in the confusion except a few survivors on ''Atlanta'''s bridge), the US fleet was in disarray. He was not the seniormost surviving officer aboard ''San Francisco''. The senior surviving officer aboard was Lieutenant Commander Herbert Schonland, the ship's Damage Control Officer. Schonland was far too busy keeping the crippled cruiser afloat, and told [=McCandless=] to "carry out the Admiral's orders," effectively giving command to [=McCandless=] (though necessary, this could have been interpreted as Dereliction of Duty and/or Deserting his Post In the Face of the Enemy for Schonland). When the fighting subsided, Captain Gil Hoover of the light cruiser USS ''Helena'' took command of the remaining ships as the senior surviving officer afloat. Though costly, the battle was a victory for the Americans, and [=McCandless=] and Schonland's actions saved ''San Francisco'', with both men receiving the Medal of Honor.
30th Jul '16 6:56:23 PM YT45
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* Honor's actions in ''The Short Victorious War'', assuming command of the fleet after her admiral is incapacitated, rather than having an admiral aboard another ship assume command during a key moment in the pitched battle, is likely based on the actions of US Navy [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_McCandless Lieutenant Commander Bruce McCandless]] aboard the heavy cruiser USS ''San Francisco'' (CA-38) during the [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII Naval Battle of Guadalcanal.]] Like Honor, Commander [=McCandless=] was decorated for his actions rather than court martialled. With the death of Admiral Dan Callaghan, Captain Cassin Young, and ''San Francisco'''s XO (as well as Admiral Norman Scott aboard USS ''Atlanta'', accidentally struck down by friendly fire from ''San Francisco''), the US fleet was in disarray. He was not the seniormost surviving officer aboard ''San Francisco''. The senior surviving officer was Lieutenant Commander Herbert Schonland, the ship's Damage Control Officer. Schonland was far too busy keeping the crippled cruiser afloat, and told [=McCandless=] to "carry out the Admiral's orders," effectively giving command to [=McCandless=] (though necessary, this could have been interpreted as Dereliction of Duty and/or Deserting his Post In the Face of the Enemy for Schonland). When the fighting subsided, Captain Gil Hoover of the light cruiser USS ''Helena'' took command of the remaining ships as the senior surviving officer. Though costly, the battle was a victory for the Americans, and [=McCandless=] and Schonland's actions saved ''San Francisco'', with both men receiving the Medal of Honor.

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* Honor's actions in ''The Short Victorious War'', assuming command of the fleet after her admiral is incapacitated, rather than having an admiral aboard another ship assume command during a key moment in the pitched battle, is likely based on the actions of US Navy [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_McCandless Lieutenant Commander Bruce McCandless]] aboard the heavy cruiser USS ''San Francisco'' (CA-38) during the [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII Naval Battle of Guadalcanal.]] Like Honor, Commander [=McCandless=] was decorated for his actions rather than court martialled. With the death of Admiral Dan Callaghan, Captain Cassin Young, and ''San Francisco'''s XO (as well as Admiral Norman Scott aboard USS ''Atlanta'', accidentally struck down by friendly fire from ''San Francisco''), the US fleet was in disarray. He was not the seniormost surviving officer aboard ''San Francisco''. The senior surviving officer was Lieutenant Commander Herbert Schonland, the ship's Damage Control Officer. Schonland was far too busy keeping the crippled cruiser afloat, and told [=McCandless=] to "carry out the Admiral's orders," effectively giving command to [=McCandless=] (though necessary, this could have been interpreted as Dereliction of Duty and/or Deserting his Post In the Face of the Enemy for Schonland). When the fighting subsided, Captain Gil Hoover of the light cruiser USS ''Helena'' took command of the remaining ships as the senior surviving officer.officer afloat. Though costly, the battle was a victory for the Americans, and [=McCandless=] and Schonland's actions saved ''San Francisco'', with both men receiving the Medal of Honor.
30th Jul '16 6:55:45 PM YT45
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* Honor's actions in ''The Short Victorious War'', assuming command of the fleet after her admiral is incapacitated, rather than having an admiral aboard another ship assume command during a key moment in the pitched battle, is likely based on the actions of US Navy [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_McCandless Lieutenant Commander Bruce McCandless]] aboard USS ''San Francisco'' (CA-35) during the [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII Naval Battle of Guadalcanal.]] Like Honor, Commander [=McCandless=] was decorated for his actions rather than court martialled (he was the seniormost surviving officer aboard ''San Francisco'', but by far not the seniormost officer in the task force), probably in large part because the outcome was an American victory against a larger Japanese force.

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* Honor's actions in ''The Short Victorious War'', assuming command of the fleet after her admiral is incapacitated, rather than having an admiral aboard another ship assume command during a key moment in the pitched battle, is likely based on the actions of US Navy [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_McCandless Lieutenant Commander Bruce McCandless]] aboard the heavy cruiser USS ''San Francisco'' (CA-35) (CA-38) during the [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII Naval Battle of Guadalcanal.]] Like Honor, Commander [=McCandless=] was decorated for his actions rather than court martialled (he martialled. With the death of Admiral Dan Callaghan, Captain Cassin Young, and ''San Francisco'''s XO (as well as Admiral Norman Scott aboard USS ''Atlanta'', accidentally struck down by friendly fire from ''San Francisco''), the US fleet was in disarray. He was not the seniormost surviving officer aboard ''San Francisco''. The senior surviving officer was Lieutenant Commander Herbert Schonland, the ship's Damage Control Officer. Schonland was far too busy keeping the crippled cruiser afloat, and told [=McCandless=] to "carry out the Admiral's orders," effectively giving command to [=McCandless=] (though necessary, this could have been interpreted as Dereliction of Duty and/or Deserting his Post In the Face of the Enemy for Schonland). When the fighting subsided, Captain Gil Hoover of the light cruiser USS ''Helena'' took command of the remaining ships as the senior surviving officer. Though costly, the battle was a victory for the Americans, and [=McCandless=] and Schonland's actions saved ''San Francisco'', but by far not with both men receiving the seniormost officer in the task force), probably in large part because the outcome was an American victory against a larger Japanese force.Medal of Honor.
3rd Jul '16 7:25:11 PM Doug86
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* Honor's actions in ''The Short Victorious War'', assuming command of the fleet after her admiral is incapacitated, rather than having an admiral aboard another ship assume command during a key moment in the pitched battle, is likely based on the actions of US Navy [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_McCandless Lieutenant Commander Bruce McCandless]] aboard USS ''San Francisco'' (CA-35) during the [[WorldWarII Naval Battle of Guadalcanal.]] Like Honor, Commander [=McCandless=] was decorated for his actions rather than court martialled (he was the seniormost surviving officer aboard ''San Francisco'', but by far not the seniormost officer in the task force), probably in large part because the outcome was an American victory against a larger Japanese force.

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* Honor's actions in ''The Short Victorious War'', assuming command of the fleet after her admiral is incapacitated, rather than having an admiral aboard another ship assume command during a key moment in the pitched battle, is likely based on the actions of US Navy [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_McCandless Lieutenant Commander Bruce McCandless]] aboard USS ''San Francisco'' (CA-35) during the [[WorldWarII [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII Naval Battle of Guadalcanal.]] Like Honor, Commander [=McCandless=] was decorated for his actions rather than court martialled (he was the seniormost surviving officer aboard ''San Francisco'', but by far not the seniormost officer in the task force), probably in large part because the outcome was an American victory against a larger Japanese force.
28th Mar '16 5:48:43 AM Khathi
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* ScienceMarchesOn: Impeller signatures can be detected FTL. Since [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_gravity#Possible_experimental_measurements a widely reported experiment in 2002]] supported the idea that gravitational waves travel at light speed, ''War of Honor'' explains that this works thanks to an echo off of hyperspace and not via direct detection.

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* ScienceMarchesOn: Impeller signatures can be detected FTL. Since [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_gravity#Possible_experimental_measurements a widely reported experiment in 2002]] supported the idea that gravitational waves travel at light speed, ''War of Honor'' explains that this works thanks to an echo off of hyperspace and not via direct detection. And then the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_observation_of_gravitational_waves direct detection of the gravity waves in late 2015]], which without doubt proved their compliance to the lightspeed limit, definitely moved the matter into the realm of fiction.
18th Jul '15 11:29:38 PM Ramidel
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* ScienceMarchesOn: Impeller signatures can be detected FTL. Since [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_gravity#Possible_experimental_measurements a widely reported experiment in 2002]] supported the idea that gravitational waves travel at light speed, ''War of Honor'' explains that this works thanks to an echo off of hyperspace and not via direct detection.
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