History Trivia / Genesis

5th Apr '16 10:57:09 AM CassandraLeo
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* MagnumOpusDissonance: While ''Selling England by the Pound'' is the album you're most likely to hear cited as Genesis' best (for example, it's their best-rated album on Prog Archives), some of the band members themselves have reservations with it. They don't think it's a ''bad'' album, but they think it could have been better. Some of the band members also feel that ''Music/TheLambLiesDownOnBroadway'', another candidate you're likely to hear cited as their best recording, gets progressively weaker towards the end.
17th Mar '16 4:22:15 PM 123456789
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* TheOtherMarty: Between Phillips' departure and Hackett's arrival, the band had another guitarist named Mick Barnard. Since he never performed on any official albums, and was only in the band for a few months, he is largely forgotten by most fans. An appearance on British TV in November 1970 includes Barnard in the band, but the recording of the broadcast has since been lost.



** Ray Wilson also to an extent, as his career with Genesis was killed by fan indifference before it could begin. However at the same time, he has seemed to parlay that brief time into a substantial career, still performing songs from ''Calling All Stations'' live and appearing as a guest singer at Steve Hackett's 2013 ''Genesis Revisited II'' show at the Royal Albert Hall.
** Between Phillips' departure and Hackett's arrival, the band had another guitarist named Mick Barnard. Since he never performed on any official albums, and was only in the band for a few months, he is largely forgotten by most fans. An appearance on British TV in November 1970 includes Barnard in the band, but the recording of the broadcast has since been lost.

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** Ray Wilson also to an extent, as his career with Genesis was killed by fan indifference before it could begin. However at the same time, [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously he has seemed to parlay that brief time into a substantial career, career]], still performing songs from ''Calling All Stations'' live and appearing as a guest singer at Steve Hackett's 2013 ''Genesis Revisited II'' show at the Royal Albert Hall.
** Between Phillips' departure and Hackett's arrival, the band had another guitarist named Mick Barnard. Since he never performed on any official albums, and was only in the band for a few months, he is largely forgotten by most fans. An appearance on British TV in November 1970 includes Barnard in the band, but the recording of the broadcast has since been lost.
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18th Jan '16 11:31:05 AM fauxtoast
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** What makes the documentary even more tone-deaf is that Hackett at the time of the documentary's broadcast was currently in the middle of a nearly two-year tour behind his ''Genesis Revisited II'' record, that continued into early 2015, playing many classic Genesis songs which hadn't been performed live for decades. (For the tour for his 2015 solo record, ''Wolflight'', each show's second set was comprised of nearly all Genesis songs, going as far back as ''Nursery Cryme''.)

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** *** What makes the documentary even more tone-deaf is that Hackett at the time of the documentary's broadcast was currently in the middle of a nearly two-year ''two-year'' tour behind his ''Genesis Revisited II'' record, that continued into early 2015, playing many classic Genesis songs which hadn't been performed live for decades. (For the tour for his 2015 solo record, ''Wolflight'', each show's second set was comprised of nearly all Genesis songs, going as far back as ''Nursery Cryme''.)
18th Jan '16 11:30:36 AM fauxtoast
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** While Steve Hackett's leaving was amicable (both Collins and Rutherford contributed to his first solo album, ''Voyage of the Acolyte'') the 2014 documentary ''Together and Apart'' (broadcast as ''Sum of the Parts'' in the US), a film supposedly meant to touch on both the band's long life and the noteworthy solo careers of all the band members, gives Hackett's solo career, which spans over ''twenty'' records, the barest of mentions. Hackett went on social media and to [[http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/genesis-guitarist-steve-hackett-blasts-biased-documentary-20141005 Rolling Stone]] to voice his displeasure. What makes the documentary even more tone-deaf is that Hackett at the time of the documentary's broadcast was currently in the middle of a nearly two-year tour behind his ''Genesis Revisited II'' record, that continued into early 2015, playing many classic Genesis songs which hadn't been performed live for decades.
*** For the tour for his 2015 solo record, ''Wolflight'' each show's second set was comprised of nearly all Genesis songs, going as far back as ''Nursery Cryme''.

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** While Steve Hackett's leaving was amicable (both Collins and Rutherford contributed to his first solo album, ''Voyage of the Acolyte'') Acolyte'', released before he left the band) the 2014 documentary ''Together and Apart'' (broadcast as ''Sum of the Parts'' in the US), a film supposedly meant to touch on both the band's long life and the noteworthy solo careers of all the band members, gives Hackett's solo career, which spans over ''twenty'' records, the barest of mentions. Hackett went on social media and to [[http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/genesis-guitarist-steve-hackett-blasts-biased-documentary-20141005 Rolling Stone]] to voice his displeasure. What makes the documentary even more tone-deaf is that Hackett at the time of the documentary's broadcast was currently in the middle of a nearly two-year tour behind his ''Genesis Revisited II'' record, that continued into early 2015, playing many classic Genesis songs which hadn't been performed live for decades.
*** For ** What makes the documentary even more tone-deaf is that Hackett at the time of the documentary's broadcast was currently in the middle of a nearly two-year tour behind his ''Genesis Revisited II'' record, that continued into early 2015, playing many classic Genesis songs which hadn't been performed live for decades. (For the tour for his 2015 solo record, ''Wolflight'' ''Wolflight'', each show's second set was comprised of nearly all Genesis songs, going as far back as ''Nursery Cryme''.)
18th Jan '16 11:29:15 AM fauxtoast
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** While Steve Hackett's leaving was amicable (both Collins and Rutherford contributed to his first solo album, ''Voyage of the Acolyte'') the 2014 documentary ''Together and Apart'' (broadcast as ''Sum of the Parts'' in the US), a film supposedly meant to touch on both the band's long life and the noteworthy solo careers of all the band members, gives Hackett's solo career, which spans over ''twenty'' records, the barest of mentions. Hackett went on social media and to [[http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/genesis-guitarist-steve-hackett-blasts-biased-documentary-20141005 Rolling Stone]] to voice his displeasure. What makes the documentary even more tone-deaf is that Hackett at the time of the documentary's broadcast was currently in the middle of a nearly two-year tour behind his ''Genesis Revisited II'' record, that will continue into 2015, playing many classic Genesis songs which haven't been performed live in decades.

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** While Steve Hackett's leaving was amicable (both Collins and Rutherford contributed to his first solo album, ''Voyage of the Acolyte'') the 2014 documentary ''Together and Apart'' (broadcast as ''Sum of the Parts'' in the US), a film supposedly meant to touch on both the band's long life and the noteworthy solo careers of all the band members, gives Hackett's solo career, which spans over ''twenty'' records, the barest of mentions. Hackett went on social media and to [[http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/genesis-guitarist-steve-hackett-blasts-biased-documentary-20141005 Rolling Stone]] to voice his displeasure. What makes the documentary even more tone-deaf is that Hackett at the time of the documentary's broadcast was currently in the middle of a nearly two-year tour behind his ''Genesis Revisited II'' record, that will continue continued into early 2015, playing many classic Genesis songs which haven't hadn't been performed live in decades. for decades.
*** For the tour for his 2015 solo record, ''Wolflight'' each show's second set was comprised of nearly all Genesis songs, going as far back as ''Nursery Cryme''.
29th Nov '15 7:00:53 PM nombretomado
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* ReferencedBy: In ''Webcomic/KnightsOfBuenaVista'', Adriana is singing one of the band's songs, and Ilene jokes that they are known as "[[SegaGenesis Mega Drive]]" in the rest of the world.

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* ReferencedBy: In ''Webcomic/KnightsOfBuenaVista'', Adriana is singing one of the band's songs, and Ilene jokes that they are known as "[[SegaGenesis "[[UsefulNotes/SegaGenesis Mega Drive]]" in the rest of the world.
30th Oct '15 12:23:44 PM CassandraLeo
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:: When listened to in sequence, this provides an interesting alternate running order for the album that some listeners may end up preferring to the official one.

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:: When listened to in sequence, this provides an interesting alternate running order for the album that some listeners may end up preferring to the official one. For one thing, it ends less abruptly.
14th Oct '15 10:42:10 PM CassandraLeo
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** The liner notes for the Definitive Edition Remaster of ''Nursery Cryme'' list the lyrics for the songs in an alternate order from the album's running order.
### The Musical Box
### Harold the Barrel
### Seven Stones
### For Absent Friends
### The Fountain of Salmacis
### The Return of the Giant Hogweed
### Harlequin
:: When listened to in sequence, this provides an interesting alternate running order for the album that some listeners may end up preferring to the official one.
20th Sep '15 4:51:07 PM PrincessTogezo
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* OldShame: Phil Collins has mentioned in internet postings not to be a fan of 'Match of the Day', from the Spot The Pigeon EP, which is probably why that track was left off of 2000's ''Genesis Archives #2'' boxset, where 'Pigeons' and 'Inside And Out' were included. However, all three songs are included in the ''Genesis 19761982'' boxset and the EP was repressed on vinyl in 2012, making the song easily available again.

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* OldShame: Phil Collins has mentioned in internet postings not to be a fan of 'Match of the Day', from the Spot The Pigeon ''Spot the Pigeon'' EP, which is probably why that track was left off of 2000's ''Genesis Archives #2'' boxset, where 'Pigeons' and 'Inside And and Out' were included. However, all three songs are included in the ''Genesis 19761982'' boxset and the EP was repressed on vinyl in 2012, making the song easily available again. again.
** He hasn't spoken fondly of the music video for "A Trick of the Tail", either, mentioning in a 1994 Creator/{{VH1}} interview that he considers it one of the most embarrassing videos of his career.


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** Speaking of "Supper's Ready", the "Willow Farm" section was originally conceived as a separate song. The band later decided to include it in the suite, with Banks mentioning that it would prevent "Supper's Ready" from being too similar to their earlier song "Stagnation".
4th Aug '15 1:14:22 PM PrincessTogezo
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* FakeAmerican: Rael, the protagonist in ''TheLambLiesDownOnBroadway''. A half-Puerto Rican street kid from [[BigApplesauce New York City]] would be unlikely to refer to money as "notes and coins". But he does anyway. Also in the song "Back in NYC", Rael says "your progressive hypocrites". An American (of the time, anyway) would probably have called them "liberal hypocrites".

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* FakeAmerican: Rael, the protagonist in ''TheLambLiesDownOnBroadway''.''Music/TheLambLiesDownOnBroadway''. A half-Puerto Rican street kid from [[BigApplesauce New York City]] would be unlikely to refer to money as "notes and coins". But in the song "The Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging", he does anyway. Also in the song "Back in NYC", Rael says "your progressive hypocrites". An American (of the time, anyway) would probably have called them "liberal hypocrites".



* OneOfUs: Phil Collins is a self-confessed video game fan and even [[PromotedFanboy played himself]] in ''GrandTheftAutoViceCityStories'', Tony Banks is a fan of ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', and Mike Rutherford referenced ''Series/DoctorWho'' in ''[[TheDocumentary Come Rain or Shine]]''.

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* OneOfUs: Phil Collins is a self-confessed video game fan and even [[PromotedFanboy played himself]] in ''GrandTheftAutoViceCityStories'', ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoViceCityStories'', Tony Banks is a fan of ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', and Mike Rutherford referenced ''Series/DoctorWho'' in ''[[TheDocumentary Come Rain or Shine]]''.



** Mike Rutherford [[WordOfGod has admitted]] to having been influenced by science fiction stories like [[ArthurCClarke Arthur C. Clarke's]] ''ChildhoodsEnd'' and works by JRRTolkien in TheSeventies, which came through in a lot of the early Genesis songs like "Watcher of the Skies".
* ThePeteBest: Phil Collins didn't join the band until Genesis' third album, '' Nursery Cryme''. Chris Stewart, John Silver, and John Mayhew (who appears in the 2014 ''Together And Apart'' documentary in footage recorded before his death in 2009) proceeded him.
** Anthony Phillips left after the second album, ''Foxtrot''. While his contributions seem marginalized now, Tony Banks remarks in ''Together And Apart'' that his departure was not taken lightly, and he was concerned for the future of the band. While not credited, the song "The Musical Box" that appears on ''Nursery Cryme'' was based on a piece Phillips had composed for the band.

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** Mike Rutherford [[WordOfGod has admitted]] to having been influenced by science fiction stories like [[ArthurCClarke [[Creator/ArthurCClarke Arthur C. Clarke's]] ''ChildhoodsEnd'' ''Literature/ChildhoodsEnd'' and works by JRRTolkien Creator/JRRTolkien in TheSeventies, which came through in a lot of the early Genesis songs like "Watcher of the Skies".
* ThePeteBest: Phil Collins didn't join the band until Genesis' third album, '' Nursery ''Nursery Cryme''. Chris Stewart, John Silver, and John Mayhew (who appears in the 2014 ''Together And Apart'' documentary in footage recorded before his death in 2009) proceeded preceded him.
** Anthony Phillips left after the second album, ''Foxtrot''.''Trespass''. While his contributions seem marginalized now, Tony Banks remarks in ''Together And Apart'' that his departure was not taken lightly, and he was concerned for the future of the band. While not credited, the song "The Musical Box" that appears on ''Nursery Cryme'' was based on a piece Phillips had composed for the band.



** Between Phillips' departure and Hackett's arrival, the band had another guitarist named Mick Barnard. Since he never performed on any official albums, and was only in the band for a few months, he is largely forgotten by most fans. An appearance on British TV in November 1970 includes Bernard in the band, but the recording of the broadcast has since been lost.

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** Between Phillips' departure and Hackett's arrival, the band had another guitarist named Mick Barnard. Since he never performed on any official albums, and was only in the band for a few months, he is largely forgotten by most fans. An appearance on British TV in November 1970 includes Bernard Barnard in the band, but the recording of the broadcast has since been lost.



** Gabriel's penchant for telling weird stories between songs arose as a way to keep audiences engaged during concerts, as the band would often take a long time to retune their instruments. Also, his usage of masks and costumes came about partially because of this, and partially because of his stage fright.



** Casual considerations to replace Steve Hackett as guitarist in 1978 were rumored to include Jeff Beck, [[KingCrimson Robert Fripp]] and Music/SteelyDan veteran Elliott Randall. It was later agreed to keep it a three-piece in the studio.
** The ''Little Prince''-inspired tracks on ''Duke'' were meant to be a "SuppersReady"-like suite taking up one side, yet in the end the band decided to steer clear of long pieces, as ProgressiveRock had become a withering genre in the early 80's. They also didn't want the composition compared to "Supper's Ready" and felt leaving the tracks together would have given the record a noticeably weaker B-side; however, they ''did'' perform the "suite" live in its original format and order during the subsequent tour for the album, documented on several bootlegs. Concidentally, Rutherford used another novel, ''Smallcreep's Day'', as the basis for his first solo record, which was released in 1980, the same year as ''Duke''.
** 1982's ''Abacab'' was originally planned as a double-album. Most of the tracks ultimately removed (most notably the instrumentals "Naninanu" & "Submarine") appeared as B-sides, and the song originally meant as the album's closer, "Paperlate", eventually appeared on ''3x3'' and ''Three Sides Live''.
** According to an interview in ''Guitar World'', when David Lee Roth left VanHalen in 1986, Eddie Van Halen began writing many of the songs that would ultimately appear on ''5150'' with the idea of using different vocalists on each track. He had reached out to both Rutherford and Collins to work on the record, and wrote the song "Right Now" with the late Joe Cocker in mind.

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** Casual considerations to replace Steve Hackett as guitarist in 1978 were rumored to include Jeff Beck, [[KingCrimson Music/JeffBeck, [[Music/KingCrimson Robert Fripp]] Fripp]], and Music/SteelyDan veteran Elliott Randall. It was later agreed to keep it a three-piece in the studio.
** The ''Little Prince''-inspired tracks on ''Duke'' were meant to be a "SuppersReady"-like "Music/SuppersReady"-like suite taking up one side, yet in the end the band decided to steer clear of long pieces, as ProgressiveRock had become a withering genre in the early 80's. They also didn't want the composition compared to "Supper's Ready" and felt leaving the tracks together would have given the record a noticeably weaker B-side; however, they ''did'' perform the "suite" live in its original format and order during the subsequent tour for the album, documented on several bootlegs. Concidentally, Rutherford used another novel, ''Smallcreep's Day'', as the basis for his first solo record, which was released in 1980, the same year as ''Duke''.
** 1982's ''Abacab'' was originally planned as a double-album. Most of the tracks ultimately removed (most notably the instrumentals "Naninanu" "Naminanu" & "Submarine") appeared as B-sides, and the song originally meant as the album's closer, "Paperlate", eventually appeared on ''3x3'' and ''Three Sides Live''.
** According to an interview in ''Guitar World'', when David Lee Roth left VanHalen Music/VanHalen in 1986, Eddie Van Halen began writing many of the songs that would ultimately appear on ''5150'' with the idea of using different vocalists on each track. He had reached out to both Rutherford and Collins to work on the record, and wrote the song "Right Now" with the late Joe Cocker in mind.



** Among the people also being considered to replace Phil Collins as lead singer was [[{{Marillion}} Fish]], who had previously done vocals for some of Tony Banks' solo material. "Generillion" might very well have been really awesome, especially since Fish's vocals have been compared to Gabriel's to begin with.

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** Among the people also being considered to replace Phil Collins as lead singer was [[{{Marillion}} [[Music/{{Marillion}} Fish]], who had previously done vocals for some of Tony Banks' solo material. "Generillion" might very well have been really awesome, especially since Fish's vocals have been compared to Gabriel's to begin with.
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