History Trivia / DisneyAnimatedCanon

8th Sep '16 9:09:27 AM Prinzenick
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->''"I think Alice got what she deserved. I never wanted to make it in the first place, but everybody said I should. I tried to introduce a little sentiment into it by getting Alice involved with the White Knight, but they said we couldn't tamper with a classic. So we just kept moving it at circus pace."''

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->''"I -->''"I think Alice got what she deserved. I never wanted to make it in the first place, but everybody said I should. I tried to introduce a little sentiment into it by getting Alice involved with the White Knight, but they said we couldn't tamper with a classic. So we just kept moving it at circus pace."''
8th Sep '16 9:09:13 AM Prinzenick
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** In [[http://www.animatormag.com/archive/issue-26/issue-26-page-24/ issue 26]] of the magazine "Animator", Creator/DonBluth expressed dissatisfaction with working on Disney's ''[[Disney/RobinHood Robin Hood]]'';
-->"I drew with great excitement, thinking how good it was to work on a Disney feature. When Robin Hood was completed I decided it did not look the greatest of films. The heart wasn’t in it. It had technique, the characters were well drawn, the Xerox process retained the fine lines so I could see all of the self indulgence of the animators, each one saying, “Look how great I am,” but the story itself had no soul."
** Disney/TheFoxAndTheHound: Several notable animators, including [[Creator/{{Pixar}} John Lasseter]], Creator/DonBluth and Creator/TimBurton, rarely speak kindly of this film, citing its tight-budgeted animation, which all but did away with the innovative technology the company had invented, as the final sign that Disney had become a [[{{Flanderization}} shell of its former self]]. Bluth, in particular, took it the hardest by leading a walk-out of several other animators who followed him to work on ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNIMH'' during this film's production, beginning a long and bitter rivalry between him and the studio which went on until he retired in 2000.
8th Sep '16 9:05:35 AM Prinzenick
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** Creator/WaltDisney didn't think much of Disney/{{Dumbo}}, seeing it as a filler feature to make up for the losses of Pinocchio and Fantasia and to get the money to allow what he considered his MagnumOpus, Disney/{{Bambi}}, to be completed.

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** Creator/WaltDisney didn't think much of Disney/{{Dumbo}}, seeing it as a filler feature to make up for the losses of Pinocchio and Fantasia and to get the money to allow what he considered his MagnumOpus, Disney/{{Bambi}}, to be completed. That he was very hands off with it compared to his other films, combined with it being made during the devasting 1941 studio strike didn't help either.



** Disney/PeterPan was another one he didn't care for, mainly because he felt Peter was an unlikable character.
** According to "Before the Animation Begins", Walt absolutely hated the Xerox process and art direction of Disney/101Dalmatians, mainly because he felt it went against one of his goals--to convince the audience they aren't seeing drawings on screen.

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->''"I think Alice got what she deserved. I never wanted to make it in the first place, but everybody said I should. I tried to introduce a little sentiment into it by getting Alice involved with the White Knight, but they said we couldn't tamper with a classic. So we just kept moving it at circus pace."''
** Disney/PeterPan was another one he didn't care for, mainly because he felt Peter was an a cold and unlikable character.
character. Disney animator Marc Davis said in an interview that he feels this way toward the Indians in the film, saying that they would have portrayed them differently if the film were made today.
** According to "Before the Animation Begins", Walt absolutely hated the Xerox process and art direction of Disney/101Dalmatians, 101 Dalmatians, mainly because he felt it went against one of his goals--to convince the audience they aren't seeing drawings on screen.
8th Sep '16 9:02:44 AM Prinzenick
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* CreatorBacklash: Several of the films have gotten this.
** Creator/WaltDisney didn't think much of Disney/{{Dumbo}}, seeing it as a filler feature to make up for the losses of Pinocchio and Fantasia and to get the money to allow what he considered his MagnumOpus, Disney/{{Bambi}}, to be completed.
** Disney/AliceInWonderland was another film Walt was dissatisfied with, feeling the film was cold. He even said he was glad it failed at the box office.
** Disney/PeterPan was another one he didn't care for, mainly because he felt Peter was an unlikable character.
** According to "Before the Animation Begins", Walt absolutely hated the Xerox process and art direction of Disney/101Dalmatians, mainly because he felt it went against one of his goals--to convince the audience they aren't seeing drawings on screen.
** Disney/TheBlackCauldron is not held in high regard by either its staff or the company as a whole, not helping that it was one of the biggest flops that Disney ever experienced.
1st Sep '16 5:45:23 AM TommyTiger
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* OldShame: Disney seems to have this attitude towards ''Disney/{{Hercules}}'' and ''Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame''. Both films ''were'' received better than the far more financially successful ''Disney/{{Pocahontas}}'', but were underachievers in the box office.

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* OldShame: Disney seems to have this attitude towards ''Disney/{{Hercules}}'' and ''Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame''. Both films ''were'' received better than the far more financially successful ''Disney/{{Pocahontas}}'', but were underachievers in the box office. OldShame:



** ''Disney/TheBlackCauldron'' is the biggest one. While [[LaughablyEvil Hades]] (and occasionally, Frollo) appear in merchandising, Disney just wants people to forget ''The Black Cauldron'' was even made.

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** ''Disney/TheBlackCauldron'' is the biggest one. While [[LaughablyEvil Hades]] (and occasionally, Frollo) appear in merchandising, Disney just wants people to forget ''The Black Cauldron'' it was even made.
28th Aug '16 10:37:19 AM trulymadmoves
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** ''WesternAnimation/TreasurePlanet'', and in particular its [[DuelingMovies duel]] with ''WesternAnimation/TitanAE''--a duel which everybody lost--was basically the tipping point when people began to think traditional animation just couldn't be successful anymore.
** Some suspect that ''WesternAnimation/HomeOnTheRange'' was deliberately designed to ''induce'' traditional animation's final death.
** The canon attempted to un-kill the art form several years later, but only got as far as ''WesternAnimation/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'' and ''WesternAnimation/WinnieThePooh'' before deciding that yes, traditional animation was dead. As a rather bitter Creator/JimCummings pointed out, [[ScrewedByTheNetwork they brought the revival's death on themselves]] by putting the new traditionally-animated movies into duels they couldn't possibly win with ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' and ''Film/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallowsPart2''.

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** ''WesternAnimation/TreasurePlanet'', ''Disney/TreasurePlanet'', and in particular its [[DuelingMovies duel]] with ''WesternAnimation/TitanAE''--a duel which everybody lost--was basically the tipping point when people began to think traditional animation just couldn't be successful anymore.
** Some suspect that ''WesternAnimation/HomeOnTheRange'' ''Disney/HomeOnTheRange'' was deliberately designed to ''induce'' traditional animation's final death.
** The canon attempted to un-kill the art form several years later, but only got as far as ''WesternAnimation/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'' ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'' and ''WesternAnimation/WinnieThePooh'' ''Disney/WinnieThePooh'' before deciding that yes, traditional animation was dead. As a rather bitter Creator/JimCummings pointed out, [[ScrewedByTheNetwork they brought the revival's death on themselves]] by putting the new traditionally-animated movies into duels they couldn't possibly win with ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' and ''Film/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallowsPart2''.
27th Aug '16 9:33:08 AM trulymadmoves
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* GenreKiller
** ''WesternAnimation/TreasurePlanet'', and in particular its [[DuelingMovies duel]] with ''WesternAnimation/TitanAE''--a duel which everybody lost--was basically the tipping point when people began to think traditional animation just couldn't be successful anymore.
** Some suspect that ''WesternAnimation/HomeOnTheRange'' was deliberately designed to ''induce'' traditional animation's final death.
** The canon attempted to un-kill the art form several years later, but only got as far as ''WesternAnimation/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'' and ''WesternAnimation/WinnieThePooh'' before deciding that yes, traditional animation was dead. As a rather bitter Creator/JimCummings pointed out, [[ScrewedByTheNetwork they brought the revival's death on themselves]] by putting the new traditionally-animated movies into duels they couldn't possibly win with ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' and ''Film/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallowsPart2''.
15th Jun '16 6:34:39 PM Doug86
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** The first were the triple failures of ''Disney/{{Pinocchio}}'', ''Disney/{{Fantasia}}'' and ''Disney/{{Bambi}}''; mixed with the onslaught of WorldWarII, the studio lost a lot of money. The post-WWII years found Disney in a position where it was too financially risky to make full-length feature animated films, but also too financially risky to ''not'' have the steady stream of feature animation revenue that cartoon shorts alone couldn't provide. They compromised by releasing [[AnthologyFilm package films]] until they felt that they'd recovered enough to tackle a full-length film again with ''Disney/{{Cinderella}}'' - if ''Cinderella'' had bombed, Walt Disney admitted that the studio probably wouldn't have survived. Luckily for them it became a massive hit, ushering in a new decade of Disney feature films.

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** The first were the triple failures of ''Disney/{{Pinocchio}}'', ''Disney/{{Fantasia}}'' and ''Disney/{{Bambi}}''; mixed with the onslaught of WorldWarII, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, the studio lost a lot of money. The post-WWII years found Disney in a position where it was too financially risky to make full-length feature animated films, but also too financially risky to ''not'' have the steady stream of feature animation revenue that cartoon shorts alone couldn't provide. They compromised by releasing [[AnthologyFilm package films]] until they felt that they'd recovered enough to tackle a full-length film again with ''Disney/{{Cinderella}}'' - if ''Cinderella'' had bombed, Walt Disney admitted that the studio probably wouldn't have survived. Luckily for them it became a massive hit, ushering in a new decade of Disney feature films.
4th Jun '16 11:12:03 AM creader
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** Also, ''WesternAnimation/TheNightmareBeforeChristmas'' was apparently supposed to be Disney's 32nd animated film, to have been released during the 1993 holiday season, with ''Disney/TheLionKing'', then Disney's 33rd animated film, being scheduled for the 1994 holiday season. Then ''Nightmare'' was rebranded as a Touchstone film due to being DarkerAndEdgier even by Disney's standards (and some of the animated canon's entries are more mature than others) and ''Lion King'' found itself pushed forward to summer 1994 and directly replacing ''Nightmare'' as Disney's 32nd as a direct result of said rebranding. Had things gone as planned, ''Nightmare'' would've been Disney's first non-hand-drawn film, as well as the first and so far only stop-motion entry, in the animated canon.

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** Also, ''WesternAnimation/TheNightmareBeforeChristmas'' was apparently supposed to be Disney's 32nd animated film, to have been released during the 1993 holiday season, with ''Disney/TheLionKing'', then Disney's 33rd animated film, being scheduled for the 1994 holiday season. Then ''Nightmare'' was rebranded as a Touchstone film due to being DarkerAndEdgier even by Disney's standards (and some of the animated canon's entries are more mature than others) and ''Lion King'' found itself pushed forward to summer 1994 and directly replacing ''Nightmare'' as Disney's 32nd as a direct result of said rebranding. Had things gone as planned, ''Nightmare'' would've been Disney's first non-hand-drawn film, as well as the first and so far only stop-motion entry, in the animated canon.canon.
* TheWikiRule: Has a wiki [[http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/The_Disney_Wiki here.]]
14th May '16 2:59:57 AM jameygamer
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** [[Disney/SaludosAmigos The]] [[Disney/TheThreeCaballeros package]] [[Disney/MakeMineMusic movies]]. [[Disney/FunAndFancyFree All]] [[Disney/MelodyTime of]] [[Disney/TheAdventuresOfIchabodAndMrToad them]]. With the exception of the ''Caballeros'' films (which were released together on 1 DVD in 2008 with minimal advertising), the last home video release of these movies is 2000, as a part of the ''WaltDisneyHomeVideo/WaltDisneyGoldClassicCollection'' VHS & DVD line, and Disney did not promote any of these releases, hence the movies are only known by animation enthusiasts and collectors nowadays. It's becoming rather odd since various characters from the package movies are represented at the Disney theme parks and ''The Three Caballeros'' is actually an EnsembleDarkhorse in the canon. [[note]]The infamous Mr. Toad ride in Disneyland is a good example, but coming across face characters of the ''Three Caballeros'' while visiting Disney World is also not out of the question.[[/note]]

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** [[Disney/SaludosAmigos The]] [[Disney/TheThreeCaballeros package]] [[Disney/MakeMineMusic movies]]. [[Disney/FunAndFancyFree All]] [[Disney/MelodyTime of]] [[Disney/TheAdventuresOfIchabodAndMrToad them]]. With the exception of the ''Caballeros'' films (which were released together on 1 DVD in 2008 with minimal advertising), the last home video release of these movies is 2000, as a part of the ''WaltDisneyHomeVideo/WaltDisneyGoldClassicCollection'' WaltDisneyHomeVideo/WaltDisneyGoldClassicCollection VHS & DVD line, and Disney did not promote any of these releases, hence the movies are only known by animation enthusiasts and collectors nowadays. It's becoming rather odd since various characters from the package movies are represented at the Disney theme parks and ''The Three Caballeros'' is actually an EnsembleDarkhorse in the canon. [[note]]The infamous Mr. Toad ride in Disneyland is a good example, but coming across face characters of the ''Three Caballeros'' while visiting Disney World is also not out of the question.[[/note]]
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