History Trivia / BatmanForever

12th Apr '17 9:18:41 AM Movienut376
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**The novelization gives Riddler one when you remember who plays him in the movie; during his triumphant raid on the Batcave, at one point he whispers, [[Film/The Mask "Somebody, stop me!"]]
6th Apr '17 4:23:22 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* GroinAttack: For real. Jim Carrey got a little carried away with his cane-twirling and clobbered co-star Jones right between the legs.

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* GroinAttack: For real. Jim Carrey got MissingTrailerScene: In multiple trailers, there is a little carried away with his cane-twirling and clobbered co-star Jones right between scene where Two-Face says "If the legs.Bat wants to play, we'll play!" This line/scene never made into the theatrical release. The line was even used in the Genesis/SNES video game adaptation of the film.
25th Mar '17 11:48:03 AM CumbersomeTercel
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** Early concepts of the final showdown on Claw Island had a huge, muscled, Riddler sitting on his throne when Batman finds him. The Riddler twists the two skulls on his armrests and the Riddler's muscled body is revealed to be a shell which splits in two, from which the real Riddler (wearing his white and green jumpsuit) steps out.

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** Early concepts of the final showdown on Claw Island had a huge, muscled, Riddler sitting on his throne when Batman finds him. The Riddler twists the two skulls on his armrests and the Riddler's muscled body is revealed to be a shell which splits in two, from which the real Riddler (wearing his white and green jumpsuit) steps out.out.
** When Creator/NicoleKidman signed on, it was assumed that she'd be playing Poison Ivy. She appear in the sequel.
14th Mar '17 6:41:11 PM CumbersomeTercel
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** Jim once performed a standup routine about impulses and how important it is to control them. In this film, the Riddler calls Two Face out on having a serious impulse control problem.

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** Jim Creator/JimCarrey once performed a standup routine about impulses and how important it is to control them. In this film, the Riddler calls Two Face out on having a serious impulse control problem.



* ActorInspiredElement: Creator/JimCarrey helped design a lot of his costumes.



* AwesomeDearBoy: Creator/ValKilmer jumped at the chance to play Batman, signing on without having read the script or knowing who the director was.



* OldShame: Only if you read it out of context. Val Kilmer enjoyed working on this film and everyone involved (Schumacher possibly excluded, see TroubledProduction below) and would have been interested in returning once his schedule cleared up, but (fortunately for him) ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'' continued without him. But he was quoted as saying "I've done an absurdly commercial cartoon and now I'm more likely to get hired for a job I couldn't get hired for before because I hadn't done enough movies. It's so rare when an actor gets hired because he's right for the role, it just doesn't figure into it." (In ''Film/KissKissBangBang'', Kilmer's character Perry shows up and says virtually the same thing to Robert Downey Jr.)

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* OldShame: Only if you read it out of context. Val Kilmer Creator/ValKilmer enjoyed working on this film and everyone involved (Schumacher possibly excluded, see TroubledProduction below) and would have been interested in returning once his schedule cleared up, but (fortunately for him) ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'' continued without him. But he was quoted as saying "I've done an absurdly commercial cartoon and now I'm more likely to get hired for a job I couldn't get hired for before because I hadn't done enough movies. It's so rare when an actor gets hired because he's right for the role, it just doesn't figure into it." (In ''Film/KissKissBangBang'', Kilmer's character Perry shows up and says virtually the same thing to Robert Downey Jr.Creator/RobertDowneyJr.)



** Val Kilmer replaced Creator/MichaelKeaton, who bowed out as Bruce Wayne/Batman after seeing -- and disliking -- the LighterAndSofter treatment.
** Creator/TommyLeeJones replaced Billy Dee Williams as Harvey Dent/Two-Face. Contrary to popular belief, Williams was only contracted for one Bat-film to begin with (that being, of course, ''Film/{{Batman}}''), and did not have his contract bought out, nor was he ever even approached about playing Two-Face (until ''WesternAnimation/TheLEGOBatmanMovie'', at least).
* PlayingAgainstType: Tommy Lee Jones, who usually plays stoic DeadpanSnarker type characters, here plays Two-Face as an incredibly loony, off the wall villain the 1960s Adam West Batman style.
* RoleReprisal: In the French dub, instead of being voiced by Jim Carrey's official voice actor[[note]]Emmanuel Curtil[[/note]], the Riddler/Edward Nygma is voiced by Vincent Violette, reprising his role from ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''.

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** Val Kilmer Creator/ValKilmer replaced Creator/MichaelKeaton, who bowed out as Bruce Wayne/Batman after seeing -- and disliking -- the LighterAndSofter treatment.
** Creator/TommyLeeJones replaced Billy Dee Williams Creator/BillyDeeWilliams as Harvey Dent/Two-Face. Contrary to popular belief, Williams was only contracted for one Bat-film to begin with (that being, of course, ''Film/{{Batman}}''), and did not have his contract bought out, nor was he ever even approached about playing Two-Face (until ''WesternAnimation/TheLEGOBatmanMovie'', at least).
* PlayingAgainstType: Tommy Lee Jones, Creator/TommyLeeJones, who usually plays stoic DeadpanSnarker type characters, here plays Two-Face as an incredibly loony, off the wall villain the 1960s Adam West Batman style.
* PromotedFanboy:
** Unlike Creator/TimBurton, Creator/JoelSchumacher was a comic book fan.
** Creator/JimCarrey was a Batman fanboy as a child.
** Chris O'Donnell was a fan of the TV series.
* RealLifeRelative: Chris O'Donnell's sister can be seen directly behind him in the party scene where Robin is first introduced to the public.
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RoleReprisal: In the French dub, instead of being voiced by Jim Carrey's Creator/JimCarrey's official voice actor[[note]]Emmanuel Curtil[[/note]], the Riddler/Edward Nygma is voiced by Vincent Violette, reprising his role from ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''.



* TroubledProduction: The working relationship between director Joel Schumacher and actor Val Kilmer was said to be very, very bad. Tellingly, Joel does not talk much about Val in his audio commentary for the film.
** There were also reports that Tommy Lee Jones disliked Jim Carrey, so much so that he wouldn't even have lunch with him. According to Carrey, the first time he met Jones, the veteran actor growled, "I do not sanction your buffoonery." Which is funny considering Jones would spend his entire screentime trying to out-ham the ham master Carrey.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The [[http://www.batman-on-film.com/opinion_scissorpuppy_forever.html original version of]] ''[[http://www.batman-on-film.com/opinion_scissorpuppy_forever.html Batman Forever]]'', before it was edited to make it more family-friendly. Several of the cut scenes (notably "The Bat Must Die!" and Bruce's encounter with a giant bat) would appear in the music videos for the movie, and the comic book adaptation retains the deleted cuts while making it more violent, specifically the large pools of blood around the fallen Graysons.
** The obvious one: both Michael Keaton and Tim Burton were in negotiations to return in their respective positions as lead actor and director. Rumors abound that Burton was KickedUpstairs after the executives disliked the darker tone that ''BatmanReturns'' had taken, and that Keaton bowed out after he learned that Burton wasn't returning. Nevertheless, Burton is credited on the movie as a producer, as he had been involved in drafting the original story.

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* TroubledProduction: The working relationship between director Joel Schumacher Creator/JoelSchumacher and actor Val Kilmer Creator/ValKilmer was said to be very, very bad. Tellingly, Joel does not talk much about Val in his audio commentary for the film.
** There were also reports that Tommy Lee Jones Creator/TommyLeeJones disliked Jim Carrey, Creator/JimCarrey, so much so that he wouldn't even have lunch with him. According to Carrey, the first time he met Jones, the veteran actor growled, "I do not sanction your buffoonery." Which is funny considering Jones would spend his entire screentime trying to out-ham the ham master Carrey.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The [[http://www.WhatCouldHaveBeen:
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batman-on-film.com/opinion_scissorpuppy_forever.html original version of]] ''[[http://www.batman-on-film.com/opinion_scissorpuppy_forever.html Batman Forever]]'', before it was edited to make it more family-friendly. Several of the cut scenes (notably "The Bat Must Die!" and Bruce's encounter with a giant bat) would appear in the music videos for the movie, and the comic book adaptation retains the deleted cuts while making it more violent, specifically the large pools of blood around the fallen Graysons.
** The obvious one: both Michael Keaton Creator/MichaelKeaton and Tim Burton Creator/TimBurton were in negotiations to return in their respective positions as lead actor and director. Rumors abound that Burton was KickedUpstairs after the executives disliked the darker tone that ''BatmanReturns'' ''Film/BatmanReturns'' had taken, and that Keaton bowed out after he learned that Burton wasn't returning. Nevertheless, Burton is credited on the movie as a producer, as he had been involved in drafting the original story.



** Schumacher also initially wanted Sandra Bullock to have a role in this movie (possibly as Chase).
** Marlon Wayans was originally set to play Robin, having been attached to the role since ''Batman Returns'', but was bought out of his contract. Creator/LeonardoDiCaprio and Scott Speedman were some of those who auditioned for the role of Robin.
*** As did [[HilariousInHindsight Christian Bale]]. Notably, when Bale auditioned for ''Film/BatmanBegins'', the Batsuit he wore in his screen test was the one Kilmer wore for the finale.

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** Schumacher also initially wanted Sandra Bullock Creator/SandraBullock to have a role in this movie (possibly as Chase).
** Marlon Wayans was originally set to play Robin, having been attached to the role since ''Batman Returns'', but was bought out of his contract. Creator/LeonardoDiCaprio Other candidates included Creator/MattDamon, Creator/JudeLaw, Creator/EwanMcGregor, Creator/CoreyHaim, Corey Feldman, Toby Stephens, Creator/MarkWahlberg and Scott Speedman were some of those who auditioned for the role of Robin.
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*** As did [[HilariousInHindsight Christian Bale]].Creator/ChristianBale. Notably, when Bale auditioned for ''Film/BatmanBegins'', the Batsuit he wore in his screen test was the one Kilmer wore for the finale.



** Before the helm was turned to Schumacher, Burton supposedly wanted [[Franchise/TheMonkees Mickey Dolenz]] as the Riddler, complete with a question mark [[BloodierAndGorier carved into his forehead]], natch. Carrey was planning on shaving a question mark on his head, but scrapped it because he was due in court for his divorce proceedings.

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** Before the helm was turned to Schumacher, Burton supposedly wanted [[Franchise/TheMonkees Mickey Dolenz]] as the Riddler, complete with a question mark [[BloodierAndGorier carved into his forehead]], natch. Carrey was planning on shaving a question mark on his head, but scrapped it because he was due in court for his divorce proceedings.proceedings.
** William Baldwin was reported to be considered for Batman. Other names considered for the part included Creator/DanielDayLewis, Creator/KurtRussell, Creator/AlecBaldwin, Creator/EthanHawke, Creator/RalphFiennes, Creator/TomHanks, Creator/KeanuReeves and Creator/JohnnyDepp.
** Creator/MichellePfeiffer was considered to reprise her role as Catwoman.
** Creator/MelGibson turned down the role of Two-Face in order to make ''Film/{{Braveheart}}''.
** Music/MichaelJackson was attached at one point to play the Riddler, but he was ignored. Creator/MatthewBroderick also expressed interest in the role, while Creator/RobinWilliams turned it down.
** Early concepts of the final showdown on Claw Island had a huge, muscled, Riddler sitting on his throne when Batman finds him. The Riddler twists the two skulls on his armrests and the Riddler's muscled body is revealed to be a shell which splits in two, from which the real Riddler (wearing his white and green jumpsuit) steps out.
27th Feb '17 4:58:05 PM Lance
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** The obvious one: both Michael Keaton and Tim Burton were in negotiations to return in their respective positions as lead actor and director. Rumors abound that Burton was KickedUpstairs after the executives disliked the darker tone that ''BatmanReturns'' had taken, and that Keaton bowed out after he learned that Burton wasn't returning. Nevertheless, Burton is credited on the movie as a producer, as he had been involved in drafting the original story.
20th Jan '17 7:56:31 PM DoctorRayman
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* RoleReprisal: In the French dub, instead of being voiced by Jim Carrey's official voice actor[[note]]Emmanuel Curtil[[/note]], the Riddler/Edward Nygma is voiced by Vincent Violette, reprising his role from ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''.
12th Jan '17 12:44:52 AM AlternativeCola
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*** On the DVD featurettes, Billy Dee points out that the chemicals would have made one half of his face lighter than the other, and that this would play into questions of race, or something. Williams eventually got the change to play Two-Face in ''WesternAnimation/TheLEGOBatmanMovie''.

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*** On the DVD featurettes, Billy Dee points out that the chemicals would have made one half of his face lighter than the other, and that this would play into questions of race, or something. Williams eventually got the change chance to play Two-Face in ''WesternAnimation/TheLEGOBatmanMovie''.
9th Jan '17 5:44:50 PM nombretomado
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* ActorAllusion: Jim once performed a standup routine about impulses and how important it is to control them. In this film, the Riddler calls Two Face out on having a serious impulse control problem.

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Jim once performed a standup routine about impulses and how important it is to control them. In this film, the Riddler calls Two Face out on having a serious impulse control problem.



** Marlon Wayans was originally set to play Robin, having been attached to the role since ''Batman Returns'', but was bought out of his contract. LeonardoDiCaprio and Scott Speedman were some of those who auditioned for the role of Robin.

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** Marlon Wayans was originally set to play Robin, having been attached to the role since ''Batman Returns'', but was bought out of his contract. LeonardoDiCaprio Creator/LeonardoDiCaprio and Scott Speedman were some of those who auditioned for the role of Robin.
5th Jan '17 12:27:39 AM AlternativeCola
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** Although to be fair, the latter was born in Hawaii.

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** Although to be fair, the latter was born in Hawaii.Hawaii but her parents are from Australia.
5th Jan '17 12:26:45 AM AlternativeCola
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*** On the DVD featurettes, Billy Dee points out that the chemicals would have made one half of his face lighter than the other, and that this would play into questions of race, or something.

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*** On the DVD featurettes, Billy Dee points out that the chemicals would have made one half of his face lighter than the other, and that this would play into questions of race, or something. Williams eventually got the change to play Two-Face in ''WesternAnimation/TheLEGOBatmanMovie''.


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*** That being said, Keaton turned down the offer to reprise his role because he thought the script sucked, as explained in an early January 2017 [[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/awards-chatter-podcast-michael-keaton-founder-959562 interview]].
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